rawstory.com— A day after proclaiming America’s end if President Barack Obama is re-elected, Sean Hannity added to his pile of animosity Tuesday evening with a claim startlingly detached from reality.
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nope. leon panetta said in a 60 minutes interview that he waited 16 hours to make a decision and only b/c he was pushed. the man can make a decision w/o being pushed into one.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Yup. Taking some time to make a decision to take out a target, knowing that said target hasn't left its current location in months, is prudent. He even had Joe Biden, who has more foreign policy experience in his belt than Obama did at the beginning of his presidency, advising against it. Had he made the decision immediately you'd characterize him as reckless and arrogant.
This talking point is nothing more than a weak attempt by the right to take a huge feather out of Obama's cap - a feather that the right desperately wishes it could lay claim to.
I still don't really buy that Obama had much to do with Bin Laden dying other than taking credit and posing for that fake-ass "situation room" shot. That being said, does anyone other than Fox News and its followers believe that Obama is really some evil maniac that wishes a dirty rotten dead terrorist was still alive? Regardless of what you think of the man, making that claim is ludicrous.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Also (and I haven't googled this, just going off memory) there were reports that:
(a) Obama requested they bring the 2nd helicopter, and we all remember what happened to the first one, so without that 2nd there would have been trouble, and
(b) Obama wanted the SEALs to go in so they could recover documents and evidence, and make sure they got Obama, whereas a contigent of the military was advising for air strikes.
Now, I'm sure someone will dispute me via the googles, so have at it. :)
You're suggesting that the president got the secretaries of state and defense as well as the VP and multiple generals in a situation room... for a photo op?
You are 100% right. Obviously he wasn't involved in the strategy to take bin Laden down. I think anyone who believes that he was and that he deserves all the credit is somewhere beyond Al Sharpton and Ed Schultz in their Obama-love.
But that being said, he deserves a great deal of credit for signing off on the mission and putting his faith in Seal Team 6 to execute the mission in the way that they did.
Hannity's claim (as it usually is) is asinine and only serves as red meat for those who want another reason to hate Obama. He is feeding the narrative that Democrats are weak on terror with bold-face lies.
As opposed to what, the key Bush Administration official who pulled our special forces teams when they had the man cornered at Tora Bora?
At the very least, Obama made the capture/kill possible by reconstituting the intelligence effort to find bin Laden (Dubya disbanded) and then gave the final order to take him out in the face of significant political/military risk.
Tora Bora wasn't a FUP. That crap was premeditated and intentional. I've been around enough military brass/special forces guys in my life to know they would have NEVER agreed to back off from such a critical kill unless the order came from the top (i.e., Dubya or Cheney (at Rove/turdblossom's urging)). Based on his history and insanity, I'd be willing to bet that "decision/order" came from Cheney. He was always the brains behind BUsh.
Think about it. The U.S. would have had no rationale to stay in Afghanistan or, later, go into Iraq if bin Laden had been taken out that quickly. Bin Laden's "escape" was made possible for political/commercial purposes ONLY.
idk. maybe it came for the black side of things. cia thinks it can capture him alive and get info from him i could see that happening. cause if SF goes in they're coming back w/ a body not a interrogator date at gitmo for obl.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
I doubt the veracity and intent of anyone who can find nothing positive to say of another decent person.
Sane-minded and rational people should be able to see both good and bad in the decisions of, for example, BOTH Bush and Obama. If every action is viewed negatively, then I'd seriously question your ability to look through your clouded judgment.
This reaction is a testemant to your own irrationality and unwavering preconceptions.
Fool, the missed opportunity by Clinton involved the presence of the Saudi royal family. A strike could not occur because an ally (saudi royal family) was in the vicinity. Conformation that bin laden was even there is what took so long. You may be detached like your friends in this article, but don't try snip the facts away and make your own delusionl perspective the reality. Keep that s**t on your unreason shelf and off the reason one.
Too bad your account is closed. You were really helping the 'other side'. 'Theonewhoknows' states very well a big problem in partisan politics. And you just keep responding in partisan kind. You simply can't break out of your subjectivity.
Panetta said that they had no concrete evidence Bin Laden was even there and that the risks were significant. He also says Obama took the time to think about the options and in the end Obama made a gutsy decision.
So, I get that you think he took too long, but he made the right call and got the job done. There's plenty of things he's done wrong, so why does it threaten you guys so much that he has a few victories?
im just saying i think he waited too long. it took clinton 3 hours to lose obl. a chopper with wing tanks and overnight obl could be damn near anywhere in europe. i'd rather be wrong and get low rank AQ members than wait and allow obl another chance to escape.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
The dude hadn't left the house in months. The only flight risk he posed is that he might, without warning, get up from the Archie Bunker-style recliner to grab some Funions.
I can respect that you feel he took too long to make a decision - that's a matter of perspective and personally I think there are some reasons we may not be privy to as to why he took that amount of time - but again just a difference of opinion.
What I cannot respect is Hannity and the hardcore right-wing fringe who insist that Obama didn't want to make the decision, or that Obama didn't want to kill Bin Laden and all the other bulls**t that goes along with their inability to admit that Obama did in fact weigh the options in a very tough case and finally make the right decision. As I said, he's done a lot of things wrong, but they simply cannot admit when Obama does something right. Give the man credit where it is due and criticism where it is due and it makes your criticism all the more valid.
just pointing out facts. in order to get bin lauden bush invaded a country that had nothing to do with bin lauden. he invaded afghanistan and occupied it.
in the end obama found and killed him in pakistan using a small number of special forces,...
Sean Hannity is a GOP mouth piece and a bit of a douche.
Let me just say that allowing OBL to live for 10 years after 9/11 is proof of the failure of the Bush Administrations execution of the "war on terror".
Obama has done many things wrong. Killing OBL was not one of them.
I acutely do not watch hannity...short of clips from john stewart and digg, his hate does not interest me. however, what i have seen i do not see the relationship. Hannity seems to deal in hateful rhetoric and misinformation (this article is one example) Rachel Maddow deals with facts.
These pundits are two sides of the same authoritarian coin. Common lies that most people believe in are still lies, and yes Maddow also deals in misinformation and rhetoric.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ok, well i watch almost all of her shows and i have never seen lies, nor hate; so without some proof then i cannot see the connection.
I have never seen a show where she intentionally put misinformation out there, the few times it happened she corrects her problem as soon as it is discovered; I know of no such claim with hannity though i could be wrong on that as i dont watch him., but pattern dictates that the right never admits they are wrong.
Also, maddow will call out her partys s**t, including the president(its mainly why i watch her)...she does some very insightful stuff about the white house. The media speakers of the right seem to never go after their own.
So if i am watching someone who is not giving me facts, then i would like some proof.
peppermintpig is correct here in my opinion. Both are shows for partisans. Our "press corp" has a long and sordid history of doing a terrible job giving us rubes , I mean we the people, "facts."
An example of Rachel clowning if you'd like to peruse. Search "Rachel clowning" on the site for more examples. Search Matthews, Dowd or any "journalists" name and see what pops up when it comes to clowning in the press corps.
One might reasonably conclude there are more clowns and "serious people" than anything else.
im not familiar with that story, and from reading through the article the author clearly doesn't like maddow...so its certainly bias.
I couldn't find to much about it searching through Google to find a unbiased article, so maybe your right, it seems kinda stupid but at the same time, i dont know the context.
it is a bit different then saying that Obama didnt want to kill bin laden because they share the same faith; one is a silly attack, the other is a outright lie(on multiple levels)
Its more likely she was using this story as a larger example; but i would need to see what she was talking about to know if i agree, disagree, or have it challenge her journalistic integrity.
seems like a right wing site, but it proves my point. She corrected the picture that was shown.
The end is more a joke about the scanner then anything political..friendly jab, but she also asks a question:
"MADDOW (parroting voiceover): The president said he was amazed! To this day, don't you wonder if any member of the Bush family has ever bought groceries for him- or herself? Like, do they all try to do that now so they don't get trapped in the same way he did?"
What she is asking is do the bush's avoid going to the store so they don't get in the same political trap; I don't see how she addresses the facts of the rumor, and the time frame of this story makes your argument a bit weak.
When I watch her show, she routinely gets basic points about economics wrong, including validating state control of the economy, disregarding the fact that the purpose of economics as a methodology of understanding value, not an excuse for a technocracy to control currency production which it has been conflated into. Usually she nests the argument in a mocking tone and misdirected criticism of 'privatization' AS free market, when these are nothing like one another.
@peppermintpig Are you a minarchist? Libertarian or leaning in that direction? Because the statement that:
"she routinely gets basic points about economics wrong, including validating state control of the economy, disregarding the fact that the purpose of economics as a methodology of understanding value, not an excuse for a technocracy to control currency production which it has been conflated into"
Is not a statement of fact any more than comments of statists' sentiment opposing that PHILOSOPHY are facts. Super computers have not successfully modeled either conclusively (I anxiously wait your link).
Your OPINION about her political leaning and faith in one economic statist belief does not invalidate her statements of FACT. The same CANNOT be said of Hannity and most of his ilk. If they screamed FREE MARKET!! all day every day, I would not call them liars. Here you go:
HANNITY AND MOST OF HIS ILK ARE LIARS and do so in spite of their political slant that is as passionate as the SPIN/SLANT/LEANING/DIVING/CONFRONTING/CHALLENGING/OUTRAGING of Rachel Maddow. It's just that. She attempts to NOT lie. They (some Fox News types) attempt TO lie, often.
@JimJam
From the comments to the posted link's story...
Not conclusive but, interesting.
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"Regarding Bush and the scanner....I have no idea how the Times came by the story or any of that. Maybe the Times reporter never saw it. But I did. That whole incident occurred in my town, and there was a lot of local coverage of the incident, and it was pretty clear that Bush was surprised by the device. A President being in town was a big deal, and local media covered the hell out of it. For what it's worth, Bush was amazed by the scanner. He actually used the words "I'm amazed by this technology." The reason the whole thing became a big deal was because a Bush spokesman had used a story of Bush doing his own shopping in Kennebunkport as an example of how Bush was a man of the people. Anyway, the scanner thing is not an urban myth, and references to it as a myth are only a few years old."
@JimJam and besides... this guy doesn't LOOK amazed... he looks like he has seen a million of these mundane things..... http://youtu.be/F0fIhnboptk
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again this is a comment on Rachel Maddow's validity.
It's irrelevant what Hannity said about this. The facts were in the article.
1. Bush is ON VIDEO saying he didn't care where bin Laden was.
2. They could have gotten him in Tora Bora and decided NOT TO.
3. Obama is the one who took the initiative to kill the man.
It may be the end of the discussion in here, but Fox will continue to revise the truth and spoon feed the Foxbots whatever they want them to think.
Fox is dangerous. With the help of Rove, they created a completely fictional issue out of a f**king commercial, what else have they done to misinform the gullible?
...“They’ve got a foreign policy that shows a lot of weakness,” Hannity said. “I know the President will say they got bin Laden, putting that aside.” ... Hannity needs to shut it, thank goodness there are not enough of them
He's on crack. Obama had his way-- he gave the order to approve the mission to get OBL. These guys are assh**es and clearly consistently put party over country in spite of their bloviating.
Hannity is a complete idiot. Emperor Dick Cheney had 6 years and spent $3 trillion dollars and never wanted to find Bin Laden so he could spend more for his friends.
Obama got Bin Laden in 13 months into office and history revisionist Hannity accuses Obama of trying to do what Dick Cheney did for 6 years!
I'm starting to notice certain similarities between crazy Arab tyrants and the current crop of Republicans, they both want to go back to the past and cede progress at every level and maintain the status quo, and also they are mentally detached from the reality other sane people thrive in.
Shut the hell up Hannity... If Dubya had somehow overcome his incompetence and found Bin Laden, Hannity would be creaming himself with praise for the righties!
Hannity is man of double standards, ttacking people using guilt by association and then hiding his association with Neo-Nazi web internet radio host Hal Turner. A man he had on his radio show at least twice and was in contact with
Nah, he's got only one standard - and that is his bank balance. He does not give a f**k about what he says, as long as he is controversial he rakes in the money.
That is what makes me so angry - people actually BELIEVE what he says. Do you really think he believes a single word himself of the nonsense he sprouts out?
Last I checked, POTUS Obama had three options, bomb the alleged compound hide and seek spot and possibly cause many unintended casualties without a confirmed kill, tell the Pakistanis to intercept osama down the stree around the corner and hold him for us, or send in you know who to kick ass.
Asses were kicked at point blank range and only one man made that call.
I don't accept homework assignments from lib/lefties. If you think some document makes your point, quote the sentence or paragraph you think is applicable and the link.
Sure, 10+ years to unravel. Perhaps. But what did Bush do about it in his 8 years in office? The 9/11 attacks were very clear and concise. The Americans all stood in unity, expecting Bush to do something about it. Yes, there were other attacks, but like I said, the Americans were together after 9/11.
...at least he found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, right? I know it sounds so trivial, but the solution WAS simple. Take out Bin Laden, and he could have pushed his other agendas afterward. He didn't do that.
Well, at least we now have wire tapping, and pat-downs at the airports. Besides, what do us free Americans have to hide? Now we all continue to pay the price for the lunacy of someone else.
I just do not understand how conservatives/republicans can say such a thing! "If the Republicans had it their way... McCain/Palin would be in office and we'd still be in Iraq, and Bin Laden would likely still be at large". That's a much more believable phrase! "If Hannity had it his way, he would like to see more dead Americans with less freedom". That would be a more appropriate phrase also.
Defies all logic. Once again the clowns on FOX News demonstrate that they live in a reality distortion field.
If Obama's decision-making skills were as inept as those of Bush and Cheney, THEN bin Laden would still be alive.
Your statement is false. OBL wasn't "located", there was a chance it was him but it was never even close to being a sure thing. Educate yourself before you talk out of your a55.
Hmmmm perhaps, I suppose that is why Bush let him go on at LEAST one occasion that we know of and likely more. Because Bush had a choice? Or perhaps our President Obama as our COMMANDER IN CHIEF had a call to make and had the balls to take the political risks (THERE ARE MANY ON ALL VECTORS). And as a few intuitive commenters here have noted, there is still a human element of which blow hards, like you, really have no concept (severe reality deficiencies) or worse, that making those choices are as simple as a toggling a switch.
Either way as @smokedgouda says - > "A statement almost as out of touch as Hannity's. Congratulations you are officially part of the problem."
Yeah I know you were refering to "clamor". Well here is a Senate report on the situation at Tora Bora, detailing the mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
The "clamor" you speak of had nothing to do with the mismanagement of this situation. You are just trying to find a bulls**t excuse to place the blame on Anti-War protestors instead of the people resposible for executing the War in Afghanistan.
What I find amazing is that no one takes into account that the President has to live with the fact that he gave the order to take lives . He is a freaking politician and family man , not a professional soldier . Even though it was scum that got killed . I really feel sorry for anyone who thinks that the most powerful political office on the planet does not change a person . As for Hannity ...... assh**e ( nuff said )
Hannity's such a f**king puppet/tool he kind of sounds like a very well honed compulsive lier these days. Almost like the English guy who does the infomercials, but without the cool accent and he's trying to sell you some hardcore BS.
What a clown. How would Bin Laden still be alive if Obama had his way if it was Obama who escalated the drone attacks on Pakistan which helped lead to the killing of Obama. Just shows how FOX news is completely out of touch with reality (regardless of conservative or liberal)
It must be nice to be Sean Hannity... when reality doesn't fit the agenda you want to push, you just have to pull stuff out of your butt. He better slow down though, he's gonna be sore by the time we get to the general election.
Hannity is a douche. He never actually listens to any of his callers, he just sits there as they speak,"yep, ya, yep" and then blurts out the same old incoherent drivel totally unrelated to their point.
I regret to inform you that we had already flushed that perfectly functional political-extremist-right pundit before you suggested that we recycle him as a diarrhea filled/spewing piñata for poor children. I humbly submit that they'll fare far better for the latency of your suspect suggestion. We have several used and Elmo-like Ex-Presidential Candidates available for distribution. They should only be offered to deaf children. There will be no Herman Cain in that group. He's vulgar.
He is the Republican Butt Boy - He is so caught up into kissing republican butt that he wont even look at reality. He does not look at a situation and then come with a conclusion. He calls all his republican pimps and ask them what conclusion they want him to push. (which way do I go boss, which way do I go!!!)
Hey Republicans, how about we all cooperate and try to work together with compromise and team work to get things done rather than use an entire 4 years to get one guy out of office?
Ya...He would be alive sitting in GitMo for the rest of his life if that is what Obama could have been done.But at least he did what the last guy couldn't or wouldn't.
bukowskyFeb 8, 2012
I'm pretty sure the reason Osama Bin Laden is currently on the floor of the ocean, is because Obama had his way.
Closed AccountFeb 8, 2012
nope. leon panetta said in a 60 minutes interview that he waited 16 hours to make a decision and only b/c he was pushed. the man can make a decision w/o being pushed into one.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
TGRHvWGAFFeb 8, 2012
Yup. Taking some time to make a decision to take out a target, knowing that said target hasn't left its current location in months, is prudent. He even had Joe Biden, who has more foreign policy experience in his belt than Obama did at the beginning of his presidency, advising against it. Had he made the decision immediately you'd characterize him as reckless and arrogant.
This talking point is nothing more than a weak attempt by the right to take a huge feather out of Obama's cap - a feather that the right desperately wishes it could lay claim to.
jaketyson85Feb 9, 2012
I still don't really buy that Obama had much to do with Bin Laden dying other than taking credit and posing for that fake-ass "situation room" shot. That being said, does anyone other than Fox News and its followers believe that Obama is really some evil maniac that wishes a dirty rotten dead terrorist was still alive? Regardless of what you think of the man, making that claim is ludicrous.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
samthurstonFeb 9, 2012
Can I bury the first half of your comment and digg up the second half?
Nothing happens in the military without the president's sayso. Certainly not black-ops in allied nuclear powers sovereign territory.
jaketyson85Feb 9, 2012
Fair enough :) Respeck.
mgraham80Feb 9, 2012
Also (and I haven't googled this, just going off memory) there were reports that:
(a) Obama requested they bring the 2nd helicopter, and we all remember what happened to the first one, so without that 2nd there would have been trouble, and
(b) Obama wanted the SEALs to go in so they could recover documents and evidence, and make sure they got Obama, whereas a contigent of the military was advising for air strikes.
Now, I'm sure someone will dispute me via the googles, so have at it. :)
TGRHvWGAFFeb 9, 2012
You're suggesting that the president got the secretaries of state and defense as well as the VP and multiple generals in a situation room... for a photo op?
brsox2445Feb 9, 2012
You are 100% right. Obviously he wasn't involved in the strategy to take bin Laden down. I think anyone who believes that he was and that he deserves all the credit is somewhere beyond Al Sharpton and Ed Schultz in their Obama-love.
But that being said, he deserves a great deal of credit for signing off on the mission and putting his faith in Seal Team 6 to execute the mission in the way that they did.
Hannity's claim (as it usually is) is asinine and only serves as red meat for those who want another reason to hate Obama. He is feeding the narrative that Democrats are weak on terror with bold-face lies.
eraptorFeb 8, 2012
As opposed to what, the key Bush Administration official who pulled our special forces teams when they had the man cornered at Tora Bora?
At the very least, Obama made the capture/kill possible by reconstituting the intelligence effort to find bin Laden (Dubya disbanded) and then gave the final order to take him out in the face of significant political/military risk.
Closed AccountFeb 8, 2012
that was a fup at tora bora. dumb decisions made by both.
eraptorFeb 8, 2012
Tora Bora wasn't a FUP. That crap was premeditated and intentional. I've been around enough military brass/special forces guys in my life to know they would have NEVER agreed to back off from such a critical kill unless the order came from the top (i.e., Dubya or Cheney (at Rove/turdblossom's urging)). Based on his history and insanity, I'd be willing to bet that "decision/order" came from Cheney. He was always the brains behind BUsh.
Think about it. The U.S. would have had no rationale to stay in Afghanistan or, later, go into Iraq if bin Laden had been taken out that quickly. Bin Laden's "escape" was made possible for political/commercial purposes ONLY.
Closed AccountFeb 8, 2012
idk. maybe it came for the black side of things. cia thinks it can capture him alive and get info from him i could see that happening. cause if SF goes in they're coming back w/ a body not a interrogator date at gitmo for obl.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
theonewhoknowsFeb 8, 2012
I doubt the veracity and intent of anyone who can find nothing positive to say of another decent person.
Sane-minded and rational people should be able to see both good and bad in the decisions of, for example, BOTH Bush and Obama. If every action is viewed negatively, then I'd seriously question your ability to look through your clouded judgment.
This reaction is a testemant to your own irrationality and unwavering preconceptions.
Closed AccountFeb 8, 2012
he's a f up. hell it only took clinton 3 hours to lose obl and he waited 16? stupid. that and obamacare and unending bailouts are crazy.
assassyn360Feb 8, 2012
Fool, the missed opportunity by Clinton involved the presence of the Saudi royal family. A strike could not occur because an ally (saudi royal family) was in the vicinity. Conformation that bin laden was even there is what took so long. You may be detached like your friends in this article, but don't try snip the facts away and make your own delusionl perspective the reality. Keep that s**t on your unreason shelf and off the reason one.
JustSayNoPartyFeb 9, 2012
Too bad your account is closed. You were really helping the 'other side'. 'Theonewhoknows' states very well a big problem in partisan politics. And you just keep responding in partisan kind. You simply can't break out of your subjectivity.
ericschc1Feb 8, 2012
I know, right? God forbid we allow the leader of the free world mull a decision to willfully end another person's life for 16 whole hours!
... yes, I'm being sarcastic, you obtuse troll.
asfinktersezwutFeb 9, 2012
I'm not sure you saw the same video I did.
Panetta said that they had no concrete evidence Bin Laden was even there and that the risks were significant. He also says Obama took the time to think about the options and in the end Obama made a gutsy decision.
So, I get that you think he took too long, but he made the right call and got the job done. There's plenty of things he's done wrong, so why does it threaten you guys so much that he has a few victories?
Closed AccountFeb 9, 2012
im just saying i think he waited too long. it took clinton 3 hours to lose obl. a chopper with wing tanks and overnight obl could be damn near anywhere in europe. i'd rather be wrong and get low rank AQ members than wait and allow obl another chance to escape.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
TGRHvWGAFFeb 9, 2012
The dude hadn't left the house in months. The only flight risk he posed is that he might, without warning, get up from the Archie Bunker-style recliner to grab some Funions.
asfinktersezwutFeb 9, 2012
I can respect that you feel he took too long to make a decision - that's a matter of perspective and personally I think there are some reasons we may not be privy to as to why he took that amount of time - but again just a difference of opinion.
What I cannot respect is Hannity and the hardcore right-wing fringe who insist that Obama didn't want to make the decision, or that Obama didn't want to kill Bin Laden and all the other bulls**t that goes along with their inability to admit that Obama did in fact weigh the options in a very tough case and finally make the right decision. As I said, he's done a lot of things wrong, but they simply cannot admit when Obama does something right. Give the man credit where it is due and criticism where it is due and it makes your criticism all the more valid.
navynmrFeb 9, 2012
Without even looking, let me guess.. this guy is from Fox News.
starmanjonesFeb 9, 2012
just pointing out facts. in order to get bin lauden bush invaded a country that had nothing to do with bin lauden. he invaded afghanistan and occupied it.
in the end obama found and killed him in pakistan using a small number of special forces,...
ghengiskhan1Feb 8, 2012
Sean Hannity is a GOP mouth piece and a bit of a douche.
Let me just say that allowing OBL to live for 10 years after 9/11 is proof of the failure of the Bush Administrations execution of the "war on terror".
Obama has done many things wrong. Killing OBL was not one of them.
peppermintpigFeb 9, 2012
It's a success for MIC spending. They were able to milk multiple wars and several hundred thousand deaths out of the situation.
peppermintpigFeb 9, 2012
I'm not entirely convinced that Hannity isn't really Rachel Maddow with or perhaps without makeup on.
letherialFeb 9, 2012
curious, you ever watch her?
peppermintpigFeb 9, 2012
Yes.
letherialFeb 9, 2012
I acutely do not watch hannity...short of clips from john stewart and digg, his hate does not interest me. however, what i have seen i do not see the relationship. Hannity seems to deal in hateful rhetoric and misinformation (this article is one example) Rachel Maddow deals with facts.
So i am curious on how you can relate the two?
peppermintpigFeb 9, 2012
These pundits are two sides of the same authoritarian coin. Common lies that most people believe in are still lies, and yes Maddow also deals in misinformation and rhetoric.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
letherialFeb 9, 2012
ok, well i watch almost all of her shows and i have never seen lies, nor hate; so without some proof then i cannot see the connection.
I have never seen a show where she intentionally put misinformation out there, the few times it happened she corrects her problem as soon as it is discovered; I know of no such claim with hannity though i could be wrong on that as i dont watch him., but pattern dictates that the right never admits they are wrong.
Also, maddow will call out her partys s**t, including the president(its mainly why i watch her)...she does some very insightful stuff about the white house. The media speakers of the right seem to never go after their own.
So if i am watching someone who is not giving me facts, then i would like some proof.
jimijamFeb 9, 2012
peppermintpig is correct here in my opinion. Both are shows for partisans. Our "press corp" has a long and sordid history of doing a terrible job giving us rubes , I mean we the people, "facts."
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2012/01/whats-wrong-with-pimping-these-dumb.html
An example of Rachel clowning if you'd like to peruse. Search "Rachel clowning" on the site for more examples. Search Matthews, Dowd or any "journalists" name and see what pops up when it comes to clowning in the press corps.
One might reasonably conclude there are more clowns and "serious people" than anything else.
letherialFeb 9, 2012
im not familiar with that story, and from reading through the article the author clearly doesn't like maddow...so its certainly bias.
I couldn't find to much about it searching through Google to find a unbiased article, so maybe your right, it seems kinda stupid but at the same time, i dont know the context.
it is a bit different then saying that Obama didnt want to kill bin laden because they share the same faith; one is a silly attack, the other is a outright lie(on multiple levels)
Its more likely she was using this story as a larger example; but i would need to see what she was talking about to know if i agree, disagree, or have it challenge her journalistic integrity.
letherialFeb 9, 2012
I did a little more looking and i found this
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/01/16/maddow-corrects-bogus-claim-parrots-another
seems like a right wing site, but it proves my point. She corrected the picture that was shown.
The end is more a joke about the scanner then anything political..friendly jab, but she also asks a question:
"MADDOW (parroting voiceover): The president said he was amazed! To this day, don't you wonder if any member of the Bush family has ever bought groceries for him- or herself? Like, do they all try to do that now so they don't get trapped in the same way he did?"
What she is asking is do the bush's avoid going to the store so they don't get in the same political trap; I don't see how she addresses the facts of the rumor, and the time frame of this story makes your argument a bit weak.
peppermintpigFeb 10, 2012
When I watch her show, she routinely gets basic points about economics wrong, including validating state control of the economy, disregarding the fact that the purpose of economics as a methodology of understanding value, not an excuse for a technocracy to control currency production which it has been conflated into. Usually she nests the argument in a mocking tone and misdirected criticism of 'privatization' AS free market, when these are nothing like one another.
sicofitFeb 10, 2012
@peppermintpig Are you a minarchist? Libertarian or leaning in that direction? Because the statement that:
"she routinely gets basic points about economics wrong, including validating state control of the economy, disregarding the fact that the purpose of economics as a methodology of understanding value, not an excuse for a technocracy to control currency production which it has been conflated into"
Is not a statement of fact any more than comments of statists' sentiment opposing that PHILOSOPHY are facts. Super computers have not successfully modeled either conclusively (I anxiously wait your link).
Your OPINION about her political leaning and faith in one economic statist belief does not invalidate her statements of FACT. The same CANNOT be said of Hannity and most of his ilk. If they screamed FREE MARKET!! all day every day, I would not call them liars. Here you go:
HANNITY AND MOST OF HIS ILK ARE LIARS and do so in spite of their political slant that is as passionate as the SPIN/SLANT/LEANING/DIVING/CONFRONTING/CHALLENGING/OUTRAGING of Rachel Maddow. It's just that. She attempts to NOT lie. They (some Fox News types) attempt TO lie, often.
sicofitFeb 10, 2012
@JimJam
From the comments to the posted link's story...
Not conclusive but, interesting.
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"Regarding Bush and the scanner....I have no idea how the Times came by the story or any of that. Maybe the Times reporter never saw it. But I did. That whole incident occurred in my town, and there was a lot of local coverage of the incident, and it was pretty clear that Bush was surprised by the device. A President being in town was a big deal, and local media covered the hell out of it. For what it's worth, Bush was amazed by the scanner. He actually used the words "I'm amazed by this technology." The reason the whole thing became a big deal was because a Bush spokesman had used a story of Bush doing his own shopping in Kennebunkport as an example of how Bush was a man of the people. Anyway, the scanner thing is not an urban myth, and references to it as a myth are only a few years old."
sicofitFeb 10, 2012
@JimJam and besides... this guy doesn't LOOK amazed... he looks like he has seen a million of these mundane things.....
http://youtu.be/F0fIhnboptk
/s
again this is a comment on Rachel Maddow's validity.
gaijinlawFeb 9, 2012
I disagree with only one part of your analysis.
That would be the "a bit of."
joe2therevengeFeb 8, 2012
It's irrelevant what Hannity said about this. The facts were in the article.
1. Bush is ON VIDEO saying he didn't care where bin Laden was.
2. They could have gotten him in Tora Bora and decided NOT TO.
3. Obama is the one who took the initiative to kill the man.
END OF DISCUSSION.
miklkitFeb 8, 2012
True!
savetheseaFeb 9, 2012
It may be the end of the discussion in here, but Fox will continue to revise the truth and spoon feed the Foxbots whatever they want them to think.
Fox is dangerous. With the help of Rove, they created a completely fictional issue out of a f**king commercial, what else have they done to misinform the gullible?
cb810Feb 8, 2012
Logic eludes hannity
jess21496Feb 8, 2012
And so do facts...
penglustFeb 9, 2012
Too much LDS in the 60s.
jftitanFeb 9, 2012
LoL.... LSD... but I get LDS can have the same effect.
gaijinlawFeb 9, 2012
Dugg down for not being a Star Trek fan. :-P
woodsjransomFeb 8, 2012
...“They’ve got a foreign policy that shows a lot of weakness,” Hannity said. “I know the President will say they got bin Laden, putting that aside.” ... Hannity needs to shut it, thank goodness there are not enough of them
adaguyFeb 9, 2012
I am mystified as to who makes up the audience for this piece of s**t. He is just another faux news cohort that I can't stand!
unclefireFeb 8, 2012
He's on crack. Obama had his way-- he gave the order to approve the mission to get OBL. These guys are assh**es and clearly consistently put party over country in spite of their bloviating.
marcglezFeb 9, 2012
Hannity is a complete idiot. Emperor Dick Cheney had 6 years and spent $3 trillion dollars and never wanted to find Bin Laden so he could spend more for his friends.
Obama got Bin Laden in 13 months into office and history revisionist Hannity accuses Obama of trying to do what Dick Cheney did for 6 years!
BluntzworthFeb 10, 2012
Isn't the disconnect from reality simply amazing?
intrepiddesignFeb 8, 2012
GOP trash.
Whisky74Feb 9, 2012
Alright. As big an Obama detractor as I am, I'd have to say Hannity can go F himself on this one.
tumultuoustFeb 9, 2012
I'm starting to notice certain similarities between crazy Arab tyrants and the current crop of Republicans, they both want to go back to the past and cede progress at every level and maintain the status quo, and also they are mentally detached from the reality other sane people thrive in.
anomaly100Feb 8, 2012
Hannity wishes Obama had not given the heads up for the SEALS to kill bin Laden.
blacklilyninjaFeb 8, 2012
Hannity is an idiot paid by fox to discredit anyone foxnews/murdoch does not endorse.
magicmarker44Feb 8, 2012
Shut the hell up Hannity... If Dubya had somehow overcome his incompetence and found Bin Laden, Hannity would be creaming himself with praise for the righties!
GentlemanGhost542Feb 8, 2012
Hannity is man of double standards, ttacking people using guilt by association and then hiding his association with Neo-Nazi web internet radio host Hal Turner. A man he had on his radio show at least twice and was in contact with
breadfredFeb 8, 2012
Nah, he's got only one standard - and that is his bank balance. He does not give a f**k about what he says, as long as he is controversial he rakes in the money.
That is what makes me so angry - people actually BELIEVE what he says. Do you really think he believes a single word himself of the nonsense he sprouts out?
assassyn360Feb 8, 2012
Last I checked, POTUS Obama had three options, bomb the alleged compound hide and seek spot and possibly cause many unintended casualties without a confirmed kill, tell the Pakistanis to intercept osama down the stree around the corner and hold him for us, or send in you know who to kick ass.
Asses were kicked at point blank range and only one man made that call.
GentlemanGhost542Feb 8, 2012
so Sean Hannity is still Butthurt over the fact the Obama got Bin Laden...
second does Hannity's empty ideological rants matter anymore?
shark72Feb 9, 2012
Remember, Obama clearly announced his desire to go into Pakistan to get OBL, three years before it happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om-0uFFqzdA
Getting OBL was practically a campaign promise.
TGRHvWGAFFeb 9, 2012
And the Republicans said that made him "naive".
NoGodzFeb 8, 2012
Sean Hannity: Journalist. Bwaaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaha! (Snik. Snort. Gasp.) Sorry, sorry. Need oxygen.
gbreedFeb 9, 2012
I really believe everyone at FOX smoke Crack
jsnchmpnFeb 9, 2012
Bin Laden WAS alive when Bush and other Republicans had their way.
kasha34Feb 9, 2012
Silliness. It's obviously the intel gathered under the previous administration that started the thread that took 10 years to unravel.
BluntzworthFeb 15, 2012
I guess you refuse to read the Congressional Report that I provided for you.
kasha34Feb 15, 2012
I don't accept homework assignments from lib/lefties. If you think some document makes your point, quote the sentence or paragraph you think is applicable and the link.
BluntzworthFeb 15, 2012
"If you think some document makes your point, quote the sentence or paragraph you think is applicable and the link."
The whole report needs to be read, not just one line. I know people love sound bytes, but sometimes you need to read the entire report.
jsnchmpnFeb 24, 2012
Sure, 10+ years to unravel. Perhaps. But what did Bush do about it in his 8 years in office? The 9/11 attacks were very clear and concise. The Americans all stood in unity, expecting Bush to do something about it. Yes, there were other attacks, but like I said, the Americans were together after 9/11.
...at least he found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, right? I know it sounds so trivial, but the solution WAS simple. Take out Bin Laden, and he could have pushed his other agendas afterward. He didn't do that.
Well, at least we now have wire tapping, and pat-downs at the airports. Besides, what do us free Americans have to hide? Now we all continue to pay the price for the lunacy of someone else.
I just do not understand how conservatives/republicans can say such a thing! "If the Republicans had it their way... McCain/Palin would be in office and we'd still be in Iraq, and Bin Laden would likely still be at large". That's a much more believable phrase! "If Hannity had it his way, he would like to see more dead Americans with less freedom". That would be a more appropriate phrase also.
kasha34Feb 24, 2012
What did Bush do? Uh, we didn't have any more attacks, did we? You'd like to think that was an accident. AQ saw the light, maybe?
cupofkonaFeb 9, 2012
man is seriously brain addled, at the least...whew!
martin92003Feb 9, 2012
Do these idiots REALLY believe their own BS?
rogue100Feb 8, 2012
in opposite world maybe...
labman57Feb 8, 2012
Defies all logic. Once again the clowns on FOX News demonstrate that they live in a reality distortion field.
If Obama's decision-making skills were as inept as those of Bush and Cheney, THEN bin Laden would still be alive.
smokedgoudaFeb 9, 2012
Right wing nuts HATE that Obama had Bin Laden killed. They will say anything to re-write this historical fact. I love it that it makes them squirm.
kasha34Feb 9, 2012
Once OBL was located he had no choice.
smokedgoudaFeb 9, 2012
A statement almost as out of touch as Hannity's. Congratulations you are officially part of the problem.
kasha34Feb 9, 2012
You can't counter my statement.
Thanks for not trying.
smokedgoudaFeb 9, 2012
Your statement is false. OBL wasn't "located", there was a chance it was him but it was never even close to being a sure thing. Educate yourself before you talk out of your a55.
kasha34Feb 9, 2012
You're clinging to that little scrap is pitiful.
Obama knew he couldn't go into a campaign where his opponent could say he let OBL slip away.
Obama knew that "not a sure thing" fig leaf would not have mollified voters.
Stop faking.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sicofitFeb 10, 2012
Hmmmm perhaps, I suppose that is why Bush let him go on at LEAST one occasion that we know of and likely more. Because Bush had a choice? Or perhaps our President Obama as our COMMANDER IN CHIEF had a call to make and had the balls to take the political risks (THERE ARE MANY ON ALL VECTORS). And as a few intuitive commenters here have noted, there is still a human element of which blow hards, like you, really have no concept (severe reality deficiencies) or worse, that making those choices are as simple as a toggling a switch.
Either way as @smokedgouda says - > "A statement almost as out of touch as Hannity's. Congratulations you are officially part of the problem."
BluntzworthFeb 10, 2012
But apparently the Bush Administration did have a choice.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/world/asia/29torabora.html
kasha34Feb 10, 2012
Did you even read that article?
"...new report suggests that a larger troop commitment to Afghanistan might have resulted in the demise not only of Mr. bin Laden..."
Suggests. Might have resulted....
I remember that period. There was a clamor from the left to NOT send more troops. Now, with 20/20 hindsight, you lefties change your story.
bluto36Feb 10, 2012
and that is the great thing about being a "progressive"
they all have the history changer as a super power
BluntzworthFeb 14, 2012
"I remember that period. There was a clamor from the left to NOT send more troops. Now, with 20/20 hindsight, you lefties change your story."
Nice try but that is not what happened.
http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tora_Bora_Report.pdf
kasha34Feb 14, 2012
That report was from 2009. The "clamor" I'm referring to was years earlier. And it was from the leftist writers and pundits. As you know.
BluntzworthFeb 14, 2012
Yeah I know you were refering to "clamor". Well here is a Senate report on the situation at Tora Bora, detailing the mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
The "clamor" you speak of had nothing to do with the mismanagement of this situation. You are just trying to find a bulls**t excuse to place the blame on Anti-War protestors instead of the people resposible for executing the War in Afghanistan.
You are truely being intellectually dishonest.
navynmrFeb 9, 2012
Without even looking.. let me guess Fox News...
delphium226Feb 9, 2012
Rightwing Reality Distortion Field(tm) at work.
jlodyga083Feb 9, 2012
What I find amazing is that no one takes into account that the President has to live with the fact that he gave the order to take lives . He is a freaking politician and family man , not a professional soldier . Even though it was scum that got killed . I really feel sorry for anyone who thinks that the most powerful political office on the planet does not change a person . As for Hannity ...... assh**e ( nuff said )
scottkeefeFeb 9, 2012
Hannity's such a f**king puppet/tool he kind of sounds like a very well honed compulsive lier these days. Almost like the English guy who does the infomercials, but without the cool accent and he's trying to sell you some hardcore BS.
kcast985Feb 8, 2012
What a clown. How would Bin Laden still be alive if Obama had his way if it was Obama who escalated the drone attacks on Pakistan which helped lead to the killing of Obama. Just shows how FOX news is completely out of touch with reality (regardless of conservative or liberal)
dwtcFeb 9, 2012
FTFY:
killing of *Osama*.
kcast985Feb 9, 2012
wow lmao
austinjameshereFeb 8, 2012
It must be nice to be Sean Hannity... when reality doesn't fit the agenda you want to push, you just have to pull stuff out of your butt. He better slow down though, he's gonna be sore by the time we get to the general election.
tweenieFeb 8, 2012
Beany eyed f**kwit
bennygeoFeb 9, 2012
Hannity is a douche. He never actually listens to any of his callers, he just sits there as they speak,"yep, ya, yep" and then blurts out the same old incoherent drivel totally unrelated to their point.
salbatrossFeb 9, 2012
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-ed-show/46319356#46319356
The Ed Show on Hannity
knm3Feb 9, 2012
I hope this idiot is moving in the same looney bin direction as Glen Beck and becomes a nobody too.
KapsiotFeb 9, 2012
You mean like Keith Olbermann?
sicofitFeb 9, 2012
Hannity: "Diarrhea, diarrhea and to sum up diarrhea."
I'm ready for a new loud-mouthed bigot. I'm throwing this one in the bin with Rush. Boring.
gaijinlawFeb 9, 2012
Don't be such a spoiled brat, sicofit. Think of the poor kids out there who don't have any right-wing-nut-jobs at all!
sicofitFeb 10, 2012
I regret to inform you that we had already flushed that perfectly functional political-extremist-right pundit before you suggested that we recycle him as a diarrhea filled/spewing piñata for poor children. I humbly submit that they'll fare far better for the latency of your suspect suggestion. We have several used and Elmo-like Ex-Presidential Candidates available for distribution. They should only be offered to deaf children. There will be no Herman Cain in that group. He's vulgar.
Mark_LincolnFeb 9, 2012
It is clear Hannity is insane.
rudegarFeb 9, 2012
Hannity would have tried being water-boarded if Jesse Ventura had his way :)
koushiroFeb 9, 2012
Who was it exactly who decided to help fund him in the first place back during the cold war anyway?
screwkevinFeb 9, 2012
Hannity is a great American... for me to poop on.
shakadoodooFeb 9, 2012
He is the Republican Butt Boy - He is so caught up into kissing republican butt that he wont even look at reality. He does not look at a situation and then come with a conclusion. He calls all his republican pimps and ask them what conclusion they want him to push. (which way do I go boss, which way do I go!!!)
33percentgodFeb 9, 2012
Hey Republicans, how about we all cooperate and try to work together with compromise and team work to get things done rather than use an entire 4 years to get one guy out of office?
jpfernandezFeb 8, 2012
delusional
jarysmFeb 8, 2012
Ha! Double think is on in full force, I see.
luckyleptonFeb 9, 2012
Fox News tell lies.....
louisecalabroFeb 9, 2012
More FOX BS!
heapstressFeb 9, 2012
Quit hatin' on Obama!
gimiesomeFeb 9, 2012
Ya...He would be alive sitting in GitMo for the rest of his life if that is what Obama could have been done.But at least he did what the last guy couldn't or wouldn't.