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cosmicsurferFeb 12, 2012
In an interview on 60 Minutes, he stated he came up with his pledge at the age of 12.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57327816/the-pledge-grover-norquists-hold-on-the-gop/?pageNum=2
Norquist proves every day he still has the maturity and thinking of a spoiled 12 yr old.
But that makes him a bit more mature than many of his GOP counterparts.
publiclurkerFeb 13, 2012
sounds like a rather slow 12 year old. My kids grew out of this level of self-serving entitlement by the age of nine or ten.
u2canfailFeb 12, 2012
Norquist, the man who states his goal is a return to 1900 America. Why is someone so backwards thinking speaking anywhere?
johnnysoftwareFeb 12, 2012
Because they didn't have a treatment for syphilis in 1900.
miklkitFeb 12, 2012
Why would anyone want that? In 1910 the average life expectancy was 48 years, children worked in mines and factories, some of which had locked doors to prevent employees from taking a break, and the Wall Street tycoons were having "panics" every few years because of no regulations of their pure capitalism.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
Yes, miklkit, johnny, u2, why would anyone want 93% more purchasing power, you know, the amount we have lost to inflation. Thanks to government and the FED Reserve.
Sounds so horrible to have sound money, doesn't it.
Sounds so horrible not to be defending the rest of the world at our expense, doesn't it.
Sounds so horrible to promote slave labor at the expense of jobs here, doesn't it.
"and the Wall Street tycoons were having "panics" every few years"
Nice to see your supporting the wealth of wall street by corrupt politicians who are under the wealthy's thumb. Yes, back then you may have had regulations that stabilized and helped the 99%, but why did all that change in the last 50 years? Very simple answer, Republicans and Democrats.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
u2canfailFeb 12, 2012
Frank do you know when the Great Depression was, look it up, then look up the cause. No fed then either. I do feel bad for you.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
Do I know why the great depression happened, why yes i do. But are you guy's saying Grover, yes he is an idiot, want's the great depression back? or that any republican want's that, hard to believe. And since this was not specifically stated by him, and other things were, your just putting words into his mouth.
Believe me when i say, i don't like or condone what any party has done over the last 100 years, with a few exceptions on regulation.
You guys make it sound like American's are too stupid to take care of themselves, and need government to do that for them. If that's the case, i feel sorry for them and you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
u2canfailFeb 13, 2012
Frank, a challenge. Choose any game, checkers to football. Eliminate all the rules (regulations). Now choose 3 friends and play the game.
Report back here. I will wait.
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There is no game at all without rules, just chaos.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
Hey, i think certain regulations are needed, but when the government does regulation at 2 to 1 on citizens vs corporations, where they belong, something is wrong with that. Passed regulation which allowed limiting Forex trading to 50 to 1, and outlawed offshore accounts. Great for corporations, bad for people, why is it the governments job to protect us from ourselves.
I am all for good and common sense regulation, whats next, you have to be rich to buy stock? while legalizing online gambling as B Frank wants to do. Makes no sense.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
GeorgeTheDemocratFeb 13, 2012
I damn sure want a stronger dollar, on my messily retirement income, i could use all i can get. People will just not recognize how much value the dollar has really lost, but boy they will sure care as time goes on, What! iPad $1200.00. gas $12.00 a gallon, hamburger $10.00.
Get ready kiddies, as history shows, it will be coming your way if you don't do something about it.
u2canfailFeb 13, 2012
I did not say Grover wanted the depression back. He stated in an interview he wanted the 1900's back. I simply attribute his own words to him.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
We all know what assuming gets us both, maybe he is stupid enough to want another great depression, i mean, i wouldn't put it pass some people, but if he does not say that, i would expect he does mean that. But of course that's me doing the assuming.
Their is no doubt that we need to do something in this country besides making our dollar worthless, if he really wants less regulation and can't get it, the only proper thing to do would force other countries to play by the same rules, we won't buy this product because it is unfair to our businesses due to the regulations we have.
I love fairness, but politicians don't. They pass trade agreements and give Most Favored Trade status to China, a 2% tariff on their exports, while we have a 25% minimum tariff on everything we export to them.
Where is the fairness, the left complain all the time about the rich, but continue to make deals like this, that only hurt the 99% of this country. They continue to put us deeper and deeper in debt, which is fine by me, i am old enough that i probably won't be around when the children of this country are wondering why their tax rates are 80% to pay off the debt of previous generations.
I asked someone the other day to show me 1 person who lost their job due to a free trade agreement, made the same or more money and had the same benefits, and i would show him 100 or 1000 that didn't.
The left keep portraying this "I am good and will take care of you" image, when it is clear they won't, and we know for sure the Right Wingers won't.
The lesser of two evils is still evil, no matter how they look on the surface.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
u2canfailFeb 13, 2012
I do agree on many items, but I see the problem as MONEY IN POLITICS. You and I do not hold power, as citizens. We are given items in return for votes. But it is secondary to what Big Money buys.
The next election is going to be costly, our Reps start office with fundraising in mind, not voters.
The start of a solution, is election reform. Doing away with the power = money.
ChuppacabraFeb 13, 2012
@U2
Barry will likely spend 1 BILLION dollars in his bid for reelection.
How do you feel about that?
bluenose2Feb 14, 2012
@ Chuppacabra How much are the Republican Super pacs spending? How do YOU feel about that ?
publiclurkerFeb 13, 2012
You might not realize it, but you answered your own question. these people actually think that these were the "good old days"
arpadFeb 12, 2012
Not taxing and spending our way into oblivion is backwards thinking?
Yes! Yes! Let's march bravely and brilliantly into a future of poverty and squalor. We have nothing to lose but the future so let's tax and spend until there's nothing left to tax and no money to spend. It'll be great!
Oh, and I loved the characterization of "competing parasites". Nice and punchy and close enough to the truth to make the irresponsibility of the left nice and clear.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
celticowboyFeb 12, 2012
Poverty and squalor - exactly what the Republicans promise us. The real food stamp presidents are Dos Los Bushes. Every Time Republicans are in charge the economy takes a nosedive. They thrive on it. It's what they want. They PREFER a dead economy, rising prices, and desperation - they believe they do better under such circumstances (they don't), and their basic negativity just cannot function when there is a robust economy and plenty to go around. They don't want plenty to go around. They want it all, and for most of us to be dirt-poor workers they can throw bones to. The entire Conservative philosophy is based on hardship for the majority, coming from deep seated fear and insecurity.
ChuppacabraFeb 13, 2012
Reality Fail
Jimmy Carter - Ronald Reagan
Bush (crash) - Obama (Wipe Out)
dabble53Feb 13, 2012
Actually, the republicans DO usually do better with a failed/failing economy. We're talking the real money people here, not the "wannabees". With a down economy, they are free to lower wages and the standard of living for the masses. This is EXACTLY what they want. If they thought they could get away with it, they'd bring back debtor prisons.
eraptorFeb 12, 2012
@arpad,
Your "tax and spend" mantra is as backwartd thinking as it gets. This country has NEVER recovered using the "low tax/austerity" agenda you're preaching. That's a FACT, Jack.
Since it's lost on you poverty and squalor are PRECISELY what the COnservative agenda has been producing ever since Ronald Reagan introduced it. LOOK AT YOUR COUNTRY'S PRESENT ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES!!!! Instead of recognizing the smoldering wreckage Dubya and his band of conservative morons left behind, you blame the responsible group (i.e., Democrat's) attempting to salvage what's left of our economy.
Grover Norquist is an unelected "ideologue" who should be thrown in jail for the extortion he routinely practices in DC.
ChuppacabraFeb 13, 2012
"Your "tax and spend" mantra is as backwartd thinking as it gets. This country has NEVER recovered using the "low tax/austerity" agenda you're preaching. That's a FACT, Jack."
Incorrect.
I lived during Jimmy Carter's gas lines. I watched him dismantle our military. I bought a car and paid 12% interest on the loan. I was around when the interest on your credit card was 22%. All under Democrats.
We would be getting CARE packages from Venezuela today if it were not for Ronald Reagan.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
eraptorFeb 13, 2012
I was alive during that time too. Funny how you left out key details. Here's what you missed:
1) Most of the economic conditions which existed during the Carter Administration were legacies left behind by the Nixon/Ford disgrace. Don't forget it was Nixon who abandoned the gold standard at Milton Friedman's behest, introducing fiat money AND inflation.
2) Those long gas lines were the result of OPEC's oil embargo, not Carter's economic policies alone. OPEC nation's were PISSED that the U.S. (under NIXON) had taken steps to DEVALUE the dollar which served as the global currency, thereby harming their purchasing power from oil sales.
3) Ronald Reagan gets FAR more credit than he deserves. AS evidence, Nicaragua STILL fell to the Communists even AFTER the Iran-Contra scandal. Reagan's misguided/clumsy efforts in Latin America and the U.S. made things significantly WORSE as did his moronic illegal immigration amnesty.
As someone more than a little familiar with Central/South American politics, I can assure you that Chavez would have NEVER risen to power if his country's conservatives hadn't overplayed their hand in the country. U.S. conservatives have made the SAME mistake in this country but you're not smart enough to see it. Instead of learning from past mistakes, conservatives "double down" on their stupidity.
ChuppacabraFeb 14, 2012
1) And don't you forget the Vietnam war - started, escalated, and lost under the Democrats who created the economic condition.
2) OPEC has always, and forever will be - concerned only with their bottom line, and using the only true ace in the hole they have to exercise control over the West. If they were concerned about devaluing the dollar back then - they should be flipping out in their turbans over what Obama has done to the value of the dollar today.
3) You mean after the Democrat Congress failed to allow him to do the right thing? Oh, and lets make sure we completely ignore how he crushed the Soviet Union after the Democrats spent 45 years wringing their hands and doing nothing but develop the MAD doctrine. Wanna talk about the nuclear war raid drills we used to practice when we were kids in school? Kids today have no clue what that is - thanks to Ronald Wilson Reagan. And you Democrats make me sick wanting to credit Gorbachev for this.
You don't need to worry about Conservatives. You better worry about the Independents who received a nice big 4 year mouthful of hot turd sandwich compliments of the Democrat Party and Progressive Liberalism. You might have stood a chance if your Party was actually run by Kennedy Democrats still. But you're not. You're run by a bunch of America haters who want nothing more than turn us into a society of weak minded lemmings all dependent on the Governement for everything from providing us abortion services, to child care, to "free" health care, to "free" school, to "free" food, to "free" mortgages, and on and on - all in the hope that our Socialist Educators can make sure no one is smart enough to understand nothing in this world is free.
u2canfailFeb 13, 2012
Did you even notice the top percentage of his income, Romney pays in income tax? I pay more, because I work for a salary.
The disparity is there. But it is in the favored status that comes from buying government and law. So that the few push all responsibility on the many, while keeping wages down.
We saw prime evidence of this, when in a recession, and cuts are a top priority, the business with the highest income through the entire recession, BIG OIL, got a gift of a tax subsidy?
ChuppacabraFeb 13, 2012
And the wealthiest politicians are all Democrats.
miklkitFeb 13, 2012
Who want their taxes raised. Ponder that.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
Please show us the survey were all rich Democrats want their taxes raised.
ChuppacabraFeb 14, 2012
Who write the tax code and ensure they can take full advantage of the loopholes.
Ask Charlie Rangel.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
Do you have investments? if so, your paying the same rate on them, If not, what are you waiting on?
The rest of your comment is spot on correct. And most businesses have expressed they don't need tax cuts, that they will not help. They have also expressed they are not hiring because of low product / service demand.
Solution: Lower taxes on the real people of this economy, the 99%. To help them pay off their enormous debts, maybe start saving money, and give them money to purchase "Made in the USA products", to give your friends, family and neighbors much needed jobs.
u2, i am agreeing with you on subsidies, stop them for everything, but you know exactly what will happen, people will bitch and moan that gas, food, utilities, etc cost to much, they don't understand the only reason they pay the prices they do now is because of subsidies.
Now if we can just get a party together that cares about the people............
miklkitFeb 13, 2012
Not taxing and spending is the republicon way. Who do you think drove us into this ditch?
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6
revenantrisingFeb 12, 2012
Every member of congress who signed his pledge should be tried for treason.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
Ever member of any party who signed onto to Gatt and Nafta should be tried for treason.
jpurdyFeb 13, 2012
Agree. Treason - "The action of betraying someone or something."
Anyone who signs a pledge to prevent action that may be necessary for our nation is guilty of betraying their congressional oath of office.
spatula7Feb 13, 2012
I don't understand the pitch? Sure we all want lower taxes, heck, if the world worked like it did in many conservatives or libertarians heads there'd be practically no need for government at all and most of us would be all for it...but alas, that's the problem, you can't take an ideology that's only ever been proven in your head and force it on reality and expect reality to just fall in line....imagine if science worked the same? I don't care what Einstein says, Newton was right...meanwhile the GPS satellites accuracy keeps getting worse and worse....goddam liberal satellites.
bluenose2Feb 13, 2012
Call me a " commie" if you will. As a popuation we are here on this planet. Together. whether we like it or not. Is it not about time we agree to disagree about what separates us and agree what unites us and work things out. We arer only on this planet for a finite time , and then we recede to the soil. Poltical s**t is fleeting, as is life.
ChuppacabraFeb 13, 2012
Cum-buy-ya, My Lord....Cum-buy-ya
lol
Just ribbing ya, Bro...
celticowboyFeb 12, 2012
Yeah, Grover whatever you say. Seen that latest study confirming that "conservatives" react to the world via negative emotions? That their main motivation is fear? As in paranoia? As in mental illness? You are a prime example.
anomaly100Feb 12, 2012
I love the Norquist loyalists in this thread. Even moderate Conservatives regret his stupid pledges.
dabble53Feb 12, 2012
This is EXACTLY what the GOP wants. A return to essentially slave/child labor.
You've answered your own question.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
Really, and you can't see that all the "Free Trade" agreements were done by both parties?
I think you need look a littler deeper into just who want's the slaves.
bluenose2Feb 13, 2012
"Free Trade" what a concept. First Mulroneney pushed the FTA then NAFTA. Now Harper wants a "free trade act " with China.
Scared yet ?
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
Heck, we give China "Most Favored Trade Status", that means they get super access to our markets, but they don't return the favor.
Makes one wonder just who's side they are on.
ChuppacabraFeb 13, 2012
I hear they love that rocket technology they "stole" from us during Clinton.
And its a badge of honor amongst their leadership to actually spend a night in the Lincoln Bedroom.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
blackwing602Feb 12, 2012
His stated goal is to weaken our nation to the point where he can 'drown it in a bathtub.'
ageofmasteryFeb 12, 2012
So the guy who wants to live in a safe, modern country but doesn't want to pay any taxes to help support it is calling other people parasites...
bluenose2Feb 12, 2012
What I don't understand is how this guy has so much power over the republicans .
u2canfailFeb 12, 2012
MONEY as in campaign funds.
brucealmightyFeb 12, 2012
At least partly it's because he twisted so many GOP arms into signing his "NO New Taxes" pledge" when that was considered a virtual prerequisite to running for office (or re-election). That gives him a certain leverage over anyone who may have come to their senses since then and now understands than any such rigid policy barring any negotiations or compromises does more harm than good.
bluenose2Feb 12, 2012
I knew most polititions were panderers , but I really didn't think they were that stupid.
" Sure , handcuff me so I can do the peoples business."
brucealmightyFeb 13, 2012
It became a peer pressure thing. "Everyone is doing it, so why aren't you on board with the rest of us?" It was also a deal with the Devil, i.e. the only way to make a difference is to first get elected and the only way to get elected is to get the support of your Party and that requires taking the pledge to prove your trustworthy intentions.
I liken it to joining the Girl Scouts and taking a pledge to remain a virgin until marriage....it seems simple enough when you're young and dumb but pretty soon you realize you're still getting screwed....you're just missing out on all the more gratifying parts of the process....
bluenose2Feb 13, 2012
exactly
mtownFeb 12, 2012
So the guy trying to push for lower taxes is claiming that the side that generally wants higher taxes is the parasite? Yeah, that makes sense.
ChuppacabraFeb 12, 2012
Is English your second language?
Do you even know what you wrote?
anomaly100Feb 12, 2012
In words you can comprehend, Y u no read English gud?
ChuppacabraFeb 13, 2012
So are we to understand you feel justified mocking and ridiculing people whose education may not be as complete as yours?
So then, in reality, you don't care about uneducated people - they are merely the puchline to your jokes.
Hypocrite.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mtownFeb 14, 2012
That is a meme, not an insult to uneducated people.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/y-u-no-guy
And I have have no idea what you are talking about in your original comment. A parasite is something that takes from it's host but does not give back. Well this guy is fighting to give back as little money as possible through taxes while having a higher salary than a vast majority of Americans, yet is claims that the side asking to give back MORE money through taxes is the parasite.
It's hypocritical.
ChuppacabraFeb 14, 2012
The comment wasn't directed toward you.
Unless, of course, "mtown" and "anomaly100" are, indeed, the same person.
The real hypocrisy is a group of people who claim they are supportive of gays, women, minorities, poor people, mother earth, the un / undereducated, and just about any other "downtrodden" group you can think of.....
Yet never miss an opportunity to make one of these groups the punchline in an insult to a Conservative.
mtownFeb 14, 2012
I know it wasn't directed at me, but for some reason you took it as an insult towards the uneducated and I was pointing out that it wasn't.
ChuppacabraFeb 15, 2012
Well if thats your idea of being complimentary...
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
Actually, i think most of the comments here are from French speaking people, the ones who fall easily and ask for help.
usarugulaFeb 13, 2012
"France in the American Revolutionary War - France entered the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) in 1778, and assisted in the victory of the Americans seeking independence from Britain (realized in the 1783 Treaty of Paris)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War
Stop with the anti-French memes already. Your ability to spread them was partially secured by France.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
And their ability to even exist to this day was assured by the good ol' USA during WW2.
Is that pay back enough for ya, hey the best race car driver in the world, "Alain Prost" is french, and my personal favorite, they are many great and bad things about France, just like any other country.
mtownFeb 14, 2012
"And their ability to even exist to this day was assured by the good ol' USA during WW2."
Is that so? Well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War
"France entered the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) in 1778, and assisted in the victory of the Americans seeking independence from Britain (realized in the 1783 Treaty of Paris).
The example of the American Revolution was one of the many contributing factors to the French Revolution."
And without the French, America may have never even EXISTED in the first place.
miklkitFeb 13, 2012
The French have the best health care in the whole wide world and pay about half as much as we do. They live longer too.Also, they are not dependent on mideast oil.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
Yes, they may have excellent health care, all the things Americans dream of, but don't think for one minute it would be possible without the American people and the American government subsidizing the entire health care industry.
Why does EVERY country in the world have cheaper drug prices than we do, and that price doesn't even include all the government funding for research, university tuition's, and grants that Americans paid for.
America, the place where we help the world at our own health's expense. Grab the whole picture next time, Americans need to know how they are helping the world at the expense of their own health.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bwiiiFeb 12, 2012
Parasites are generally cleaner than radical lefties and they don't envy or disdain their hosts while sucking them, as do our righteous comrades here in Amerikka.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dauntless1Feb 12, 2012
If you take more taxes then you bring in, you're a parasite.
Seeing as how that's the definition of almost every red state, busy leaching off of productive Blue states, what's your solution the the TRUE parasite problem in the US? I think we should call the Orkin man.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
Can you cite that, last time i looked, red states where getting more from the government than blue, but where also giving the majority of money to the government in the first place, something like 2 to 1 over blue states.
johnnysoftwareFeb 12, 2012
I think he imagines he has competition.
jefffurryFeb 13, 2012
Once again, the Right has it completely backwards. The true statement is:
"The Right is made of of Competing Parasites".
They're all about competition, and all about draining their host dry.
ninhFeb 12, 2012
I guess that's why there are no right-wing think tanks .. oh wait.
gaia242Feb 12, 2012
HA! Nice one. He is definitely one of the High Priests in the Cult of the RightWing Echo Chamber.
gaia242Feb 12, 2012
I just love it, every time they flash to the audience, its a sea of lily white faces. I''m not sure just how the more purified, more stridently conservative, white nativist Republican party is going to keep winning elections.
IF the democrats have an ounce of guile in them (im not holding my breath either) they (the President) will push a comprehensive immigration bill this spring/summer. It will highlight the qualities I mentioned above about the republicans and get Obama's diverse coalition to the polls. We may yet see another 330 point plus electoral college victory. Again this is predicated on the democrats having some hard edged political skill. So chances of this happening are slim.
u2canfailFeb 12, 2012
I am hoping Rep West(R) FL attended the speech " Diversity is Ruining America"
gaia242Feb 12, 2012
This guy is pure unadulterated evil! In David Brock's book "The Republican Noise Machine" he details Mr. Norquists past as a CIA counter-intelligence spook in the Vietnam war.
For the sake of our republics future I hope he dies in a plane crash, and soon. I know wishing death on people is a bit over the top. However in Grover's case I'll have to make an exception. I do fear him, and any Progressive or freedom loving American should too.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
How is the different from the right?
laurahoustonFeb 12, 2012
Those chiefs are really good at kettling and nagging their 'attendees'
williepepperFeb 12, 2012
AMEN!
h8f8kesFeb 12, 2012
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
dauntless1Feb 12, 2012
There can never be too much protest of stupidity.
There are valid arguments both right and left in this country, and they keep getting lost because of this bulls**t, where some idiot can stand up, stump around in fantasy land, completely ignore facts and reality, and get cheered for it, while someone proposing real solutions gets ignored because real solutions are too much like growing up and handling your s**t like an adult.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
Me thinks people are paid to do that around here.
FrankLuskaFeb 13, 2012
Me thinks people are paid to Digg down around here. Whats a matter u, you people don't like being called out.
skywiseFeb 12, 2012
And he'd be correct.
equinox2o12Feb 12, 2012
He would be... If he were not wrong.
davidnivenFeb 12, 2012
Unions, environmentalists, big government nannies. They're all parasites sucking the life out of the taxpayer. Norquist got this one right on the money.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anomaly100Feb 12, 2012
Oh Alan...
bluenose2Feb 13, 2012
Niven (sec) you are such a schill.
sbuckley00Feb 13, 2012
War is a parasite sucking the life out of the taxpayers. Corrupt corporations and government are parasites sucking the life out of the taxpayers.
stealzeppelinFeb 13, 2012
VOTE RON PAUL
stealzeppelinFeb 13, 2012
VOTE RON PAUL
crimenr1Feb 12, 2012
http://howiw.com/