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alanocuJan 23, 2011
When Beck isn't acting like a drama queen and crying on Fox, the number one rated news program in America, I think to myself "Oh...he scary. He gonna commit right-wing violence. I scared of him."
The left keeps saying that all of the right’s talk about not liking taxes and big government is going to lead to violence, but then it seems like it’s just the left that’s been going crazy lately. Which makes sense.
No amount of actual left-wing violence will stop the whining about potential right-wing violence.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
camilos007Jan 24, 2011
There wasn't one coherent sentence in your whole rant.
takamalakJan 24, 2011
There isn't one coherent sentence in all of alanloco's comment history.
adaguyJan 24, 2011
amen!
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
preaching the truth takamalak, thumbs up to you sir
thecollective00Jan 24, 2011
"I was born to run, I was born to dream, the craziest boy you've ever seen, I gotta do it my way, or no way at all."
That's the gayest sig I have ever seen.
superkendallJan 24, 2011
The bit about leftists going crazy and killing people made sense, since so far all actual violence has been from people from the left - classic Bush Derangement Syndrome, turned into real derangement.
Tell me, how close to the edge are you? You already have shown inability to understand rational argument.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
glassagateJan 24, 2011
>> since so far all actual violence has been from
>> people from the left
Any examples?
This attack came from the right.
rchargelJan 24, 2011
You're right, historically all crazy murderers are on the left. Except the Aryan Nation, Klu Klux Klan, Tim McVeigh, Christian Identity Movement, White Patriot Party, etc... I'm not saying there aren't crazies on the left. There are. But in terms of shear numbers, the right wins hands down.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/11/homeland-security-study-warned-of-right-wing-extremism.html
The bigger issue of course is the mainstream right is refusing to denounce these people. You will never see a Democrat joke openly about killing a member of the GOP. It's just not done.
http://www.examiner.com/progressive-in-portland/gop-politics-obama-tags-right-wing-terrorists-great-white-hope
miklkitJan 24, 2011
Here is a video from faux noise where there is much laughter while talking about assassinating Obama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/fox-pundit-wishes-for-oba_b_103500.html
spartan777Jan 24, 2011
Don't forget Scott Roeder, the terrorist who assassinated Dr. George Tiller.
doubledrbJan 25, 2011
I totally agree, I wish I could digg your comment about 100 times, lol.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
Can you tell me why Beck needs to use some of the language that he does?
Did you watch the video that was on the page in the link? He's telling his audience that progressives are wanting to take them out to slaughter? That progressives want to control every aspect of their life? Prepare for a crash landing because the pilots is intentionally steering it into the trees? We WILL survive, we will thrive as long as "these" people aren't in control.
What is with the jacked up language? If that isn't baseless fear mongering I don't know what is.
I can't understand how someone could watch that clip and say that he isn't a fear monger and that he isn't inciting people to violence.
Why are people on the right so dense? You think that unless you actually use the word gentlemen, that you aren't being racist by, for example, putting up a sign of obama as a witch doctor.
It's the same thing here, you seem to think that just because Beck hasn't actually said "go kill this person" that his inflammatory words aren't completely innappropriate and likely going to cause someone to resort to violence!
In that clip he isn't saying "some of the policies of this administration and progressives are very questionable and may not be in the best interest of the country.
But noooo, instead he makes it sound as if the very lives of his viewers are in danger. There is simply no room for such jacked up rhetoric. It's fear mongering. Since when did fear mongering make legitimate journalism?
crunchdiggJan 24, 2011
"Can you tell me why Beck needs to use some of the language that he does?"
A: because it makes him MONEY.
delphium226Jan 24, 2011
Wake us up when one of you stops polishing your guns and actually presents a rational non-bats**t insane argument and we'll be happy to talk. Till then, continue with the brain farting. It seems to keep you out of the traffic.
nycjapJan 24, 2011
Oh, come on. "He gonna commit right-wing violence." was pretty coherent. Grammatically abysmal, but coherent in a rightwing nutcake sort of way.
paranor01Jan 24, 2011
So, still sucking Beck's c**k eh?
yurmutha412Jan 24, 2011
Beck complained about an essay on welfare and therefore he caused death threats. Apparently we should stop him from making these hateful attacks. I mean, it's obvious no one should say anything about the welfare system and this is causing hate and violence in America. We can't name any person who ever wrote an essay about welfare because it could possibly cause a death threat.
The left wing is out of control.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
It's not like Glenn Beck made a passing comment to a friend, he has a national platform that he is using to deliberately fear and hate monger against whatever target he wishes. This time, he picked a 78 year old woman, whose views he hates, and wants you to hate, regardless of where this hate speech leads some nuts.
I guess some folks think Sociologists and Socialists are just targets instead of people, and it is this dehumanization that leads to intimidation, death threats, and worse.
skywiseJan 24, 2011
Like you do every day? You pick a target whose views you hate, and wants others to hate, and then riles up others regardless of where this hate speech leads some nuts.
But for some reason it's "righteous" speaking truth to power when you do it, and hate speech when others do it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
Nobody expects you to understand the difference between point out hate speech with a passion, and actual hate speech itself skywise. You have a long history of demonstrating you are incapable of distinguishing between the two.
skywiseJan 24, 2011
No, you're the one that can't distinguish between the two-
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/e404u/judge_dismissed_292500_in_debt_due_to_shady/c154csb
Burn down the banks.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/eg0ez/its_bad_enough_that_the_president_is_going_to/c17wv1r
The Republicans were so rabid against FDR, that they even went so far as to attack his dog, just like they did against Obama http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/15/731884/-They-also-attacked-FDRs-dog
The difference is this: FDR fought back, and he fought back hard. History (and the voters) reward real leadership, and Obama has been severely lacking. I understand everything you are saying, and know that perceptions matter, but in the end, who is playing who? The end result of this political theater is an ever increasing conservative position and the sacrifice of real change and reform.
Stand strong, fight back, do some firebombing. Progressives may take a temporary hit, but will send an undeniable message to the cons: they mean business and are willing to do anything it takes to support progress.
If the Republicans want to hold START hostage, so be it. Fight back and kill all highway funding to red states. Or better yet, start to play the media harder and get the message out. There has never been a better time for progressives to draw a clear contrast with the regressive right, we have the moral highground, and need to broadcast it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/exvxr/obama_finds_his_balls_puts_veto_threat_in_writing/c1bvlm4
"Politics is a knife fight when push comes to shove, and the corporations are desperate to retain control, so they are using their Republican whores every way they can. We need to recognize this attack on progressive change and reform and fight back, or get derailed like we did under Clinton."
http://theliberalheretic.com/blog/node/1070
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/et9af/progressives_should_anticipate_another/c1aqyup
"What we need to do is dig our heels in the ground and get ready to fight back. The corporations are counting on progressives to go away, we cannot let them push their agenda any further. We are backed into a corner and it's time for some trench warfare."
http://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/ersqw/tax_deal_breaks_write_off_for_racehorses_breaks/c1aghmn
"Rich get richer, poor get f**ked. Popular revolt, your time may have come."
http://www.reddit.com/user/novenator/comments/?count=175&sort=controversial&after=t1_c1alis4
"When there is a profit motive involved in overseas aggression, the killing will no longer be confined to non-Americans. This is the most dangerous situation we could deal with in the US right now, and something we need to vigorously attack before it spins out of control."
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/erbyg/rep_dennis_j_kucinich_a_democrat_from_ohio_may/c1aalgg
"More battles will ensue in the Sun Belt, where conservative state legislators will likely try to gerrymander their states' new districts to minimize the gains of Democratic-leaning Latino voters.
Stay tuned, this battle is going to heat up immensely in the coming months."
http://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/comments/eq7mb/177_nations_guarantee_paid_leave_for_new_mothers/c1a9kmk
"The establishment leaders in the US say, "Shut up and get back to work wage slaves!"
Seriously, until we start fighting back, we deserve our fate. A good start is taking the streets back from the corporate brownshirts."
http://www.reddit.com/r/demsocialist/comments/enq6b/15_mindblowing_facts_about_wealth_and_inequality/c19mckf
"Well, imho it simply requires not accepting the lies the corporate oligarchy spews out. Any bar or restaurant you go to, tell them to turn off Fox News, and if they don't, let them know why you are leaving (and make a stink about it). Stand up to those pampered 'libertarian' relatives who regurgitate rush limbaugh and glenn beck, remind others that you will not just sit by idly while their propaganda is spread.
It all comes down to good people standing up and fighting back to sway public opinion. It may be futile in the short term, but resistance in not futile in the long run. Remind folks that they are alive, and that they can have dignity, and let the pride of freedom spread like wildfire."
http://www.reddit.com/r/demsocialist/comments/enq6b/15_mindblowing_facts_about_wealth_and_inequality/c19m8dt
"Fill in your own blanks according to your own situation. I have learned a LONG time ago that suggesting specific courses of action will be pounced upon by the conservatives who worship the military-industrial complex and quickly used against folks seeking to fight back against the machine, so I can offer nothing that will give them ammunition. If you have the proper instincts however, you know what to do and how to do it."
http://www.reddit.com/r/progressive/comments/eo2md/happy_about_the_senates_dadt_vote_what_about_now/c19m7t8
"They are easy to find, just check out the Free Republic or Stormfront. Breitbart and Fox Nation are other good places to troll the racist, homophobic bastards."
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/eniso/us_empire_could_collapse_at_any_time_says/c19m5xn
"All I personally am saying is fight back against the establishment any way you can. Let them know in no uncertain terms that we are not commodities, and we don't exist just to make them richer"
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/en6y6/why_tax_cuts_for_the_rich_killed_the_economy_in/c19eorl
"Well, we need to seek out and destroy bribery and corruption, but most of all revise the tax code and END the loopholes that make that funneling money overseas impossible. This is not some tinpot dictator country where the ruling elite rob society blind than hide their money in Switzerland, this is America."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
doubledownJan 24, 2011
I gave up on digg when 4.0 happened, but I stumbled upon this post. Thank you Sky for supplying references.
Pot calling the kettle black now?
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
skywise, what I find more interesting than anything is the fact that you somehow left that very long reply a mere 5 minutes after my comment. This either means that you managed to do all that research, cutting, and pasting faster than an NSA supercomputer, or that you already had that response prepared, and were just baiting me in these comments.
skywiseJan 24, 2011
Oh... I've "tricked" you into claiming you don't make violent rhetoric?
We've had this discussion before and then you whined that I needed to back up my assertions because you were as pure as the driven snow and didn't say such things.
So now I've backed up my claims... with proof (which you always claim you desire, being the rational scientific analytical guy you claim to be) and now you whine that I'm stalking you?
This from the guy that hacked into a yahoo news group for a personal vendetta?
This was a simple google search of your past posting history that I have *already* posted to a previous response of yours where we already had this, practically identical, discussion.
I didn't NEED to bait you... because we've always had this discussion. I just followed up this time.
Now, back to the point at hand, is calling for a firebombing "hate speech with a passion" or just "actual hate speech"?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
skywise, first of all, I am not a national pundit, nor a celebrity, nor a political figure. But in fairness, let's examine a few of the comments I made.
"Stand strong, fight back, do some firebombing."
Taken in context, I was stating that Obama is not fighting back against the vicious attacks leveled against him in an effort to derail reform. I was obviously not suggesting people literally start throwing 'firebombs' at political opponents, it was a figure of speech.
"Politics is a knife fight"
I would prefer rational discourse, but politics can get very nasty, and in fairness, it is almost always the right wing that is guilty of making it this way. I was in no way suggesting someone stab anyone, obviously.
"trench warfare"
Metaphor for digging in your heels, as explained in context of the rest of what I was saying.
"Popular revolt, your time may have come."
Revolt != violent revolution. Ghandi led a popular revolt, but it was non-violent for instance.
"A good start is taking the streets back from the corporate brownshirts"
When the angry mobs were invading health care town halls, they were stifling debate. Every Tea Party event I have been to has been a hate fest. When we on the left were protesting, the atmosphere was completely different, we were fun, creative, and friendly. Taking back the streets in no way suggests a violent encounter, it just means progressives need to start protesting again.
"They are easy to find, just check out the Free Republic or Stormfront. Breitbart and Fox Nation are other good places to troll the racist, homophobic bastards."
Although I play a character on Digg, I never troll here. I do troll racists, hatemongers, homophobes, etc. on other boards. What's wrong with that?
"Well, we need to seek out and destroy bribery and corruption"
I don't see the problem with this.
"Fill in your own blanks according to your own situation. I have learned a LONG time ago that suggesting specific courses of action will be pounced upon by the conservatives who worship the military-industrial complex and quickly used against folks seeking to fight back against the machine, so I can offer nothing that will give them ammunition. If you have the proper instincts however, you know what to do and how to do it."
This very conversation is precisely why I wrote this statement. I have many stalkers who love to monitor everything I write, in order to try to use against me later, mostly the Digg "Patriots" who despite your claims, I never violated. They violated Digg and got caught, and an internal source gave them up.
I think what you are doing here is trying to 'Breitbart' me, to take tidbits out of context to paint me as a villain, perhaps to justify your preconceived notions about me, or to satisfy an urge to hate.
Again, in fairness though, keep searching, I don't think rational minds would find anything wrong with what I have stated above when it is taken in context.
bentman78Jan 25, 2011
pwned!
rjeyJan 24, 2011
It is plainly obvious that Novenator and his croonies are camping this thread and burying anything that doesn't tow the party line with them.
Bury brigade 1, rational people 0
ferretmanJan 24, 2011
@sky - Excellent cites sir!
I see how novy can't even argue against them, so he's back to the name-calling and baseless attack. Typical Diggeral.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rjeyJan 24, 2011
So let's just abolish that pesky first amendment, right comrade?
crunchdiggJan 24, 2011
oh, nice straw man. -5
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
That's not a straw man. The first amendment protects the actions novenator is speaking out against.
rjeyJan 24, 2011
Straw man? You really should learn the definition of straw man before attempting to use it.
publiclurkerJan 24, 2011
You must be a teabagger njd007. No other group shows such a simpleminded lack of comprehension regarding the constitution as they do.
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
rjey, don't you think calling me 'comrade' or suggesting I ever stated that free speech should be curtailed is using a straw man?
"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position"
That is the very definition of a straw man argument, and you just did it.
Oh, and for the record, it was Limbaugh that wants to abolish that pesky first amendment and the second too, but only for liberals.
"liberals should not be allowed to buy guns. It’s just that simple. Liberals should have their speech controlled and not be allowed to buy guns." http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011811/content/01125112.guest.html
rjeyJan 24, 2011
Novenator, your entire argument centers around shutting up Beck, have you heard of the first amendment? Straw man indeed.
novenatorJan 25, 2011Submitter
rjey,
no, it does not. My entire argument centers around shedding light to the fear and hate mongering by Beck, something that should be universally condemned for what it is: incitement. He is free to say and think whatever he wants, no matter how extreme or vial.
rjeyJan 25, 2011
Novenator so if I check your profile and search for the string "Beck" I won't find any instances of you calling for him to be shut up?
If so, my apologies for misrepresenting you....
novenatorJan 25, 2011Submitter
be my guest
unclefireJan 24, 2011
Inciting violence is not protected free speech.
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
Person A says "F*** You" to person B.
Person A incited violence, therefore his speech should not be protected.
How delusional people react to your words is of real importance, as opposed to the ability to express how you feel. Makes sense to me champ. /s
unclefireJan 24, 2011
Saying F you is not inciting violence. If somebody continually goes on and on about things like we are being led to slaughter (as he did in that clip) that is a different story. He's just a hair this side of inciting violence in that case. His whole "act" is about how we are losing our freedom, we'll be subjugated in some way, that we need to "shoot them in the head".
JustSayNoPartyJan 25, 2011
Nice use of the word comrade. Beck's comments do come close at times to 'shouting fire in a crowded theater'.
yurmutha412Jan 24, 2011
We all have to accept the fact that people will disagree with us. If she wrote a pubic essay on welfare, it's open to criticism. Someone will always make death threats over even tiny things they disagree with, that doesn't mean we should stop saying anything meaningful and be a bunch of wishy washy people who cower in the corner. Most public figures get death threats.
The left is using this because they are in a state of hysteria and that's exactly when people pass stupid laws that infringe on the right to free speech for no reason. We don't need more laws on speech or gun control, and we don't need to be more polite. We need to settle down and stop being so hysterical.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
Liberals don't use logic; their thoughts are based on emotions and the religion of collectivism. It's like trying to explain evolution a creationist, or quantum physics to an 8 year old.
Disclaimer: Conservatives don't use logic either. I am neither.
BluntzworthJan 24, 2011
"If she wrote a pubic essay on welfare, it's open to criticism."
Well when Palin and Beck make public comments they are also open to criticism. Just thought that you want to apply the rules evenly to both sides.
rjeyJan 24, 2011
No one is saying you can't criticize them.
It is when the wack jobs like novenator want to shut them down completely that we have a problem here.
There is a first amendment for a reason.
yurmutha412Jan 24, 2011
Yes, as rjey said, there's a difference between disagreeing with someone and trying to silence them. The left is trying to silence Beck and Palin for supposedly threatening statements that are taken out of context. The definition of hate for left wing is someone that disagrees with liberals. It's completely all right to call Palin or Beck insane. That's not hate, but if Beck disagrees with a welfare state, that's hate.
BluntzworthJan 24, 2011
They left is not trying to silence anybody. The left is just tired of intellectually lacking public figures spouting complete nonsense, like Palin and Beck do constantly. We want them to shut up, not because we want them silenced, but because we are tired of hearing the complete bulls**t that comes out of their mouths on a daily basis.
Beck is full of s**t and so is Palin, plain and simple.
rjeyJan 24, 2011
"We want them to shut up"
First amendment, look it up.
Is this issue really that hard to grasp for you people?
BluntzworthJan 25, 2011
@rjey - Did you read my entire post? Most likely not. The 1st amendment issue is not hard to grasp at all. Me thinks that most people who love to claim Freedom of Speach, really don't know that much about it to begin with.
I will reiterate what I wrote:
"They left is not trying to silence anybody."
Meaning that the left is not actually trying to prevent opposing views from the public
"The left is just tired of intellectually lacking public figures spouting complete nonsense, like Palin and Beck do constantly."
Meaning that we are tired of less than intelligent people making up fallacies to incite people who are less intelligent then themselves.
"We want them to shut up, not because we want them silenced, but because we are tired of hearing the complete bulls**t that comes out of their mouths on a daily basis." See above
Beck is full of s**t and so is Palin, plain and simple.
Meaning that Beck is full of s**t and so is Palin, what more needs to be said?
rjeyJan 25, 2011
I love how you skip over the "we want them to shut up" part.
But oh yes, we really believe that you have all the best intentions and don't REALLY mean for them to be silenced... indeed, indeed.
BluntzworthFeb 2, 2011
@ rjey - "I love how you skip over the "we want them to shut up" part." Actually I didn't. I already explained to you and you failed to read the post.
JustSayNoPartyJan 25, 2011
I agree with most of your comments. Though, I do support more 'effective' laws on gun control. Letting a law aimed at automatic weaponry expire was a mistake in my view.
yurmutha412Jan 25, 2011
I agree that automatic weapons are not necessary and too dangerous. They go beyond self defense.
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
And your post contains hateful rhetoric about Glen Beck. After reading it, I get the impression that I should hate glen beck. If one of your followers were to go and make a death threat against him is it your fault for having large following digg, or their fault being crazy?
Or do we only want to use this logic when it fits with your ideology and agenda?
bluto36Jan 24, 2011
not Beck is OK to hate so if he ever was to be harmed he would have brought it on himself.
i used to be leftist so i understand a little how the thinking has to work to make it well... work
hanzoJan 24, 2011
Glenn NEEDS to complain, go on a religious tangent or dream up conspiracies in order to fill up air time. The problem is that Fox News viewers will accept being brainwashed simply because they despise the left. Not because Glenn is some sort of visionary or even sane!
Us sane people here on earth just laugh at his bulls**t : D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4NMoyarAM4
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
I'll never understand how people can sit there and accept a history lesson from someone with absolutely no formal education whatsoever on the matter. Beck has no formal education but he talks like he is letting his viewers in on secrets or something. It's ludicrous.
I'll tell you, we watch you guys from here in Canada and it is like watching someone drown. Your country is drowning in it's own stupidity. f**k, the republicans voted in a reality tv star/lumber jack. These are your best and brightest? Oh wait no, those are elitists.
Well America I hope you had fun at the top, in these conditions you will never get it back. Your corporations are bleeding the country dry like they do in third world countries. They are taking their business where the costs are lowest and the regulations are non-existent. They are going to China, all of your jobs will end up there.
There is literally no hope for America. You guys have f**ked yourselves through your own lack of education, humility and your boundless feelings of entitlement.
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
I think you are close to spot on with these statements.
"You guys have f**ked yourselves through your own lack of education, humility and your boundless feelings of entitlement."
These are all things that are wrong with America, but I don't think individual Americans are responsible for it. I think the controlling oligarchs are responsible for causing these things to gain foothold in America. Through controlling the educational system, main stream media, and other aspects of society they have been able to dumb america down and guide our culture into one that rewards and idolizes narcissism.
Scientific methods of direct psychological control have been studied by rulers for centuries. One of the more prominent ones from the 20th century, Aldous Huxley, wrote a book about future uses of such technology. He also openly talked about it. One of his speeches gave great insight into this, here is an excerpt:
"Well now in regard to this problem of the ultimate revolution, this has been very well summed up by the moderator. In the past we can say that all revolutions have essentially aimed at changing the environment in order to change the individual. I mean there’s been the political revolution, the economic revolution, in the time of the reformation, the religious revolution. All these aimed, not directly at the human being, but at his surroundings. So that by modifying the surroundings you did achieve, did one remove the effect of the human being.
Today we are faced, I think, with the approach of what may be called the ultimate revolution, the final revolution, where man can act directly on the mind-body of his fellows
....
If you are going to control any population for any length of time, you must have some measure of consent, it’s exceedingly difficult to see how pure terrorism can function indefinitely. It can function for a fairly long time, but I think sooner or later you have to bring in an element of persuasion an element of getting people to consent to what is happening to them.
It seems to me that the nature of the ultimate revolution with which we are now faced is precisely this: That we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed and presumably will always exist to get people to love their servitude. This is the, it seems to me, the ultimate in malevolent revolutions shall we say, and this is a problem which has interested me many years and about which I wrote thirty years ago, a fable, Brave New World, which is an account of society making use of all the devices available and some of the devices which I imagined to be possible making use of them in order to, first of all, to standardize the population, to iron out inconvenient human differences, to create, to say, mass produced models of human beings arranged in some sort of scientific caste system." -California Berkley 1962
http://publicintelligence.net/aldous-huxley-1962-u-c-berkeley-speech-on-the-ultimate-revolution/
I suggest reading this whole speech^^
I think these people are more to blame, than individual Americans who are constantly under numerous methods of direct psychological control that Huxley spoke about.
Another thing I find interesting is that Huxley's brother founded UNESCO, an organization that is at the pinnacle of educational scientific and cultural influence today. They guide the curriculum and scientific research in many countries by funding them. This is an organization whos admitted goal is to think and push global governance. Interesting that two brothers from a prominent oligarchical family took career paths such as theirs. One's focused on providing techniques for direct psychological control to a controlling oligarchy, the other founded an organization to push global governance by influencing scientific, educational, and cultural paradigms.
yurmutha412Jan 24, 2011
Beck goes overboard as far as I'm concerned, but I don't believe he causes hate. That's political maneuvering from the left.
You couldn't even show a legitimate Beck video that shows he causes hate, you had to show some made up cartoon just like Beck uses. That only proves you are being brainwashed.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
"The problem is that Fox News viewers will accept being brainwashed simply because they despise the left."
Us people who live in reality just laugh at those who think this is isolated to Fox News and their listeners.
Please continue, I am enjoying the circus.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JustSayNoPartyJan 25, 2011
njdoo, the comment was perfectly credible. And, many on the left will behave in the same way. The comment doesn't indicate that this is an isolated thing.
njdoo7Jan 25, 2011
You are right. I am the person I hate in this case...those who automatically assume bashing the left means you're from the right. I guess I still haven't broken completely out of this false paradigm. Thanks for calling me out on it.
JustSayNoPartyJan 25, 2011
No problem. I've followed many of your comments and appreciate the fact that you usually present rational and logical positions. I learn most from those making sound arguments on all sides of an issue.
chilidogsJan 24, 2011
How about an actual quote from the article rather than a ridiculous strawman fabrication:
"But it's a testament both to Glenn Beck's skill at making s**t up, and his fans' ability to be crazy, that some Americans actually care enough about a sociology professor to threaten her."
skyscapeJan 24, 2011
Do you have any idea how many death threats Glenn Beck receives by the liberal psychos everyday? And this not counting death treats to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Levin, and more.
Liberals should really consider cleaning up their act, as many of the shootings and threats are coming from the left; enticed by the left. Because by corrupt nature, liberals are people with relative values. Many of them are for Pot, sexual freedom, homosexual promiscuity, abortion, socialism, and more. It is a life style of death of you think about it one level deeper.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hanzoJan 24, 2011
How do you know how many death threats Glenn receives a day? Are you personally opening the letters?
And for you to make such generalizations about liberals only shows how much of a bigot you are. It does nothing to prove your (very weak) argument.
koparJan 24, 2011
Glen beck (And other opinion celebrities) gets paid millions of dollars to put himself into a position of public scrutiny, ridicule and threat. This professor never did. To make the comparison is specious and idiotic. You can't actually just keep saying 'Liberals are as bad" 1) They aren't. 2) When/If they aren't, two wrongs never make a right.
Also, wonder how many death threats Jay Leno receives or Martha Stewart compared to your run of the mill sociology professors.
mcfriendlyJan 24, 2011
So what is the current count? Does it include today's mail? Perhaps you should keep a poll like they do for the National Debt. And besides Faux News where else do you get your information?
gianpoJan 24, 2011
By the way he isn't even close to the #1 rated news program. He might be the #1 rated CABLE news program which means dick. I mean pick any popular morning cartoon and it probably has higher ratings than beck.
kinserJan 24, 2011
Well if you listen to them Fox tells you they're the #1 rated CABLE news network.
Its just a way of getting their viewers to believe they are the most popular/best so they must be right.
Their ratings are actually pretty poor on a larger scale.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
Yeah Fox does this all the time. They love to cite polls. They'll put up some questionable poll and then report using those numbers for the rest of the month.
They repeat over and over "new polls show 70% of Americans don't want the health care bill". And from then on, whenever they are talking about the health care bill, they will say "But 70% of the country doesn't want it". ANd of course their viewers eat this up and believe they are accurate numbers when the question is far too simple and assumes many people actually KNOW anything about the bill.
It's like polling kids on whether they like candy or not. Sure, you might get a general sense of how many kids like candy but you don't know what kind they prefer, how much of it, etc. With such a massive bill like health care, one republicans are always complaining is just so complicated etc etc, gets a paltry one or two question poll to judge what the country thinks.
Bills almost always require revision of some kind, but of course when fox news reports this, they emphasize the need for revision as if other bills never require it. Just the other day the anchor was saying how because the health care bill needs revising that it is embarrassing for the administration. But it isn't at all, it's not different than any other bill. But fox viewers don't know that, they really believe everything they hear on the news.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
Most of this post is simple rambling. However, pointing out that Beck has the number one rated news program in Amercia is frightening. Appartently, all I need to do to get tons of ratings is Fear Monger, Cry, and put on a Soap Opera each day. This IS one major thing wrong with elements of our society. Instead of hard news, many just want 'dessert'.
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
"Appartently, all I need to do to get tons of ratings is Fear Monger, Cry, and put on a Soap Opera each day. This IS one major thing wrong with elements of our society."
You have nailed it. The same goes for all corporate media, which is currently fear mongering threats terrorism, when less people die from terrorism each year than bee stings. Alternative media for the win.
V for Victory.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
Agreed. Most though are not careful in where they get the majority of information. In fact, most look for sources that confirm their already formed beliefs.
njdoo7Jan 24, 2011
Also agree, I think we are all guilty of doing this at times.
The game changer is acknowledging that we do it, doing our best to objectively analyze different views, admitting we are not perfect, and reforming opinions as we are exposed to more information.
iclavdivsJan 24, 2011
I believe that it's the #1 CABLE news program, which is a bit like being the smartest hillbilly around. It's only impressive until you get out of the sticks. Your point is still valid though, I just don't want to see Beck get more credit than he deserves.
eraptorJan 24, 2011
Isn't it curious how death threats and violence can always be tied to Conservative/Republican rhetoric?
It's no surprise the country ties this rhetoric to political violence and that's not the opinion of a "liberal", it is the opinion of MOST Americans (with the exception of wingnuts on the right).
For the record, there's more than one way to address irresponsible media rhetoric when it infringes upon the Constitutional rights of Americans. Just wait and see. Justice may be slow, but it always manifests itself...one way or another.
TheDon24Jan 24, 2011
wow -156, never seen so many thumbs down before
anomaly100Jan 23, 2011
Glenn Beck has his own death panel. Talk about killing Grandma!
davidnivenJan 23, 2011
Buried automatically as Novenator liberal whiny baby blather.
And hasn't it been the liberals who have been calling for everything not liberal enough for them to be exposed by publicity, condemned by the masses, and ridiculed for bad politics?
So, now when someone NOT liberal exposes wackiness, they are inviting death threats on that person in question?
Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anomaly100Jan 24, 2011
Moron, thy name is DavidNiven.
misanthropeaceJan 24, 2011
David, you're irrelevant and will be better off lathered in lubricant and slipped up the only mouthpiece Glenn has, which is his ass.
paranor01Jan 24, 2011
or alanocu
takamalakJan 24, 2011
Shouldn't your handler be changing your diaper now you raving loon?
cosmicsurferJan 24, 2011
DN - Again, it appears your reality testing comes back as failed.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
David, you hit the nail on the head. Feel proud of the comments underneath from the enlightened liberals.
paranor01Jan 24, 2011
Well, you just allowed the only bit of respect I had for you to leave quirk. Good for you.
fragmaster01Jan 24, 2011
Seriously dude, how would you like it if people were giving you death threats because of what you did as a job? I don't care who started it, conservative or liberal, this is a bit ridiculous.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
Well... guess what? If you're a public figure...and she is ... you're going to attract attention. When you say ridiculous things...and she does, you are going to get media attention.
Beck HIMSELF gets death threats.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
outerboxthinkerJan 24, 2011
All I know that the Chinese are becoming strong and powerful while the Americans are pointing the blaming fingers on each other. It all comes down to the lack of knowledge, education, and the ability to lead of the Americans from young to old. The Americans may still have the best war weaponry in the world, but all that will vanish when the Americans are poor and fight each other for a piece of bread. If Obama was truely a President with "CHANGE", he should focus on creating jobs, not healthcare reform nor international relation. What makes America strong again as a nation is to re-create America after the WW II. As for this socialist or that communist, this republican or that democrat, the Americans will end up with a modern civil war if more Americans lose their jobs. The modern civil war becomes imminent when there is more poor and jobless Americans walking on the streets.
May God bless you, Americans!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
usarugulaJan 24, 2011
"If Obama was truely a President with 'CHANGE', he should focus on creating jobs, not healthcare reform...
You misspelled "If the GOP was truly the party representing the American people."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
effyochickenJan 24, 2011
People keep asking the government to CREATE jobs *and* reduce all taxes. The government isn't a company, and it's only source of revenue is taxes. The only way for the government to create a single job is to spend more money.
It's the private sector that makes jobs, not the government. Don't blame Obama for greedy business owners firing their employees to cut down on costs.
outerboxthinkerJan 24, 2011
I think you miss a significant point: the reason people keep asking the government to create jobs is because the government has the ability to govern these companies (given that the government is not corrupted); for instance, Los Angeles county drove the film industry jobs away when they hiked taxes. A small trusted government is what Americans need to rejuvenate the job market.
The only wrong thing Obama has done is he spent too much time on the healthcare reform when knowing the fact that America is falling behind and due for recession. No medicine or healthcare reform can help if the American people themselves are devouring fat and unhealthy food day after day.
Bottom line, America needs a SMALLER TRUSTED government. Americans need to get some real education and not just electing women or minority just because they simply think it's time for a CHANGE.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
Actually, Healthcare reform was a necessity. With the 'political numbers' in his favor (perhaps we won't see that again for a long while), he finally needed to push a very important issue that has just been skipped for decades. I think he can do both healthcare and work on creating an environment for jobs. Now, both sides bickering so much however is making it impossible to do anything quickly or really well.
thechauvinistJan 24, 2011
How is she a public figure? I was a sociology major. All my professors were just book writers and lecture givers. None of them held public office or ever had media attention. They were all super liberal but that never got the attention of Glenn Beck or the kind of assh**es that send death threats, as far as I know.
vance9281Jan 24, 2011
She has been a columnist for The Nation for decades. Her writings & opinions are there for public consumption, ergo...
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
David, both sides definetely have their 'truth sayers' that will attempt to shut down anyone not following their 'party line'. It's not just a Liberal thing. For example, try going on a Conservative Blog one day supporting Obamacare. It would be nice to see rationale thought win the day in our country however.
kinserJan 24, 2011
Again with your useless commentary. You should really find a new hobby. Go to a park, read a book, do something that will take the hate out of you my friend.
TheTruth00Jan 24, 2011
What? I think that's a good point, it's kind of a double standard. Look what liberals do to Sarah Palin. I'm sure she gets death threats of all sorts due to the vilification liberals issue her.
Why is everyone attacking this comment? Are republican death threats more dangerous than liberal ones?...
crapolatimeJan 24, 2011
In other countries, Glenn Beck would be jailed for his constant stream of propaganda. And so would his patriots in crime.
adml_shakeJan 24, 2011
Well this is America, where he is free to say what he wants. And sadly, be rewarded for it.
viol999Jan 24, 2011
I beg to differ, You cannot say anything that is libelous or hate speech. You are however, protected for speaking the truth.
shingoexJan 24, 2011
He can't say what he wants. He would be arrested on the spot if he called for the death of the President.
dusanmalJan 24, 2011
What is propaganda? Claiming that this women "argued for bringing about social change by overwhelming the welfare system" which is absolute truth? She did. End of story. No crime, not even a lie. Just exposing her own words.
Jailing people for telling the truth - I lived in such society, immigrated here from Communist hell-hole. Glenn Beck would indeed be jailed for his words ... in N.Korea, China, ye' olde Soviet Union. Gee, all Leftist human rights trampling places.
misanthropeaceJan 24, 2011
Shut up dusanmal. Do you miss your evil society, because the only thing you've shown is how idiotic you are to fall for the same s**t again. Our government is not the issue. Beck and the other pseudo-revolutionaries are the issue. But, I do understand if the education system from your society wasn't adequate enough to prepare you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
outerboxthinkerJan 24, 2011
All I know that the Chinese are becoming strong and powerful while the Americans are pointing the blaming fingers on each other. It all comes down to the lack of knowledge, education, and the ability to lead of the Americans from young to old. The Americans may still have the best war weaponry in the world, but all that will vanish when the Americans are poor and fight each other for a piece of bread. If Obama was truely a President with "CHANGE", he should focus on creating jobs, not healthcare reform nor international relation. What makes America strong again as a nation is to re-create America after the WW II.
As for this socialist or that communist, this republican or that democrat, the Americans will end up with a modern civil war if more Americans lose their jobs. The modern civil war becomes imminent when there is more poor and jobless Americans walking on the streets.
May God bless you, Americans!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skyscapeJan 24, 2011
Apparently liberals did not like what you just said.
thecoolestguyJan 24, 2011
China spends a tiny fraction of what the US spends on education, yet even their schools in poor rural areas outperform American schools in math. Why is that? Because their parents beat the s**t out of their kids if they f**k around. The left in America would be disgusted if this attitude was adopted in America.
The left would call it fascist. Instead American students learn about diversity and how special they are, and that if they fail it's because their grand-parents were discriminated against for being a minority, or being poor, or being an immigrant.
outerboxthinkerJan 24, 2011
"China spends a tiny fraction of what the US spends on education, yet even their schools in poor rural areas outperform American schools in math. Why is that? Because their parents beat the s**t out of their kids if they f**k around." This is true.
"Instead American students learn about diversity and how special they are, and that if they fail it's because their grand-parents were discriminated against for being a minority, or being poor, or being an immigrant." This is just an excuse for minority/immigrant use to blame it on the system when the parents are the real culprit behind their kid's failure. Parents don't have to beat the s**t out of the kids if they fail; the parents just need to show more love, care, and reason the kids with good reasons why they should learn to succeed in life.
Bottom line, America's becoming failure because too many parents are lack of skills to be parents. Bad parents make the kids do this http://abcnews.go.com/Health/grader-classmates-sex-class/story?id=12740519
This is terrible for the Americans!
sabz5150Jan 24, 2011
"It all comes down to the lack of knowledge, education, and the ability to lead of the Americans from young to old."
And who, in this country, is pushing to cut education?
"The Americans may still have the best war weaponry in the world"
And that weaponry was trumped by four passenger aircraft. A whole lot of good it did us. Whole lot of good its doing us now... we can't even fight our way out of a sandbox.
But who, praytell, is pushing soooo hard to increase defense spending to buy more and more of this "best war weaponry"?
sabz5150Jan 24, 2011
"Jailing people for telling the truth"
Julian Assange. You were saying?
monvalleyJan 24, 2011
You're right; in communist and socialistic countries. Thank God we live in the land of the free. Do you agree we should censureship all the liberal talk shows as well as the state media?
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
I see a lot of hate directed at Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin from left-wing blogs on Digg. I even see Diggers spouting off about shooting them in the head....
I think we should shut down the left-wing hate blogs. Because these blogs are causing Diggers to spout off about doing violence.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skyscapeJan 24, 2011
This is a glitch with Digg's algorithm which they haven't fixed yet, although I wrote to them about it. Liberal News kills networks, and if the left propaganda continues to show up on homepage, digg death is imminent.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sabz5150Jan 24, 2011
There is no liberal news. Doesn't exist. The problem is your calibration is off. Sorry to tell you this.
sabz5150Jan 24, 2011
"Tiller the baby killer".
Of Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Dr. Tiller... which was murdered in cold blood?
shingoexJan 24, 2011
I like how you only blame only one side for what both sides do. I also like how you're in favor of taking away 1st Amendment rights just because you don't agree with someone's view.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
I'm just making the counterpoint.
skywiseJan 24, 2011
Okay, And? It's not like Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin hasn't received death threats after being villianized by leftist speakers?
It's also very important to note that Glenn Beck DID NOT call for, or in anyway advocate, violence against Piven.
misanthropeaceJan 24, 2011
Just like Glenn Beck never said that Obama had a deep seated hatred for white people, he was just asking questions, right? Shut up tool and go back in the box with the rest of your kind.
skyscapeJan 24, 2011
Asking question is what commentators and reporters do.
misanthropeaceJan 25, 2011
Yes, you are right skyscape. It is what commentators and reporters do. It's also something little children do even when the question has been answered time and time and time and time again. But, I forgive you for loving childish mannerisms, you're only human.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
Beck actually asks listeners to take MLK Jr.s non-violence pledge.
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
Yes and there are plenty of priests out there who have been known to preach the word of God and yet, perform unspeakable acts in their spare time. I think Glenn Beck is the same way. I think he's a man who has a huge audience, knows it, and takes advantage by using his power to preach whatever he wants. As a man who thinks of himself as a comedian, i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't truly believe in most of the crap that he spews on his shows, but instead just saw the humor in saying it.
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
You are repeating the unsubstantiated lie that Sarah Palin has received death threats. She hasn't. It was someone in her inner circle that "leaked" that rumor to try to paint her as the victim in the wake of the attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords.
skywiseJan 24, 2011
No, you're repeating your propaganda.
Or have you forgotten that Sarah''s church was fire bombed? Do you claim that was a right winger doing it to make Democrats look bad?
Yes, Sarah Palin has received death threats as Rush Limbaugh, AND as Glenn Beck has.
But perhaps you'd care to answer my actual point? Are we to restrict speech now... NOT speak truth to power when it's your side getting their panties in a bunch? Seems that you have no problem inciting fiery rheotirc for your causes.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
You have the burden of proof that Palin has received death threats since you made the claim (same goes for Boss Limbaugh and Beck).
Nowhere in your original post was a claim about restricting speech, but I will address it anyways. Free speech needs to be protected, even vial fear mongering. However, people who are doing this do not deserve a national platform for their incitement to violence, they need to be spoken out against and sidelined as much as possible. Beck deserves no more attention than Joey Farrah of the WND gets, but Fox isn't interested in anything other than pushing a far, far right agenda.
skywiseJan 24, 2011
So you're telling me that Palin or Beck or Limbaugh has never, ever received a death threat? Really?
And again, as you seem to have missed in my original post, at NO TIME, did Glenn Beck advocate or call for violence or an incitement to violence against Piven. That burden of proof is on you and you have failed at that miserably.
And as for being spoken out against and sidelines as much as possible. Yeah. I do that to you as often as i can. You deserve no more attention than Alan Colmes, but NewsJunkiePost isn't interested in anything other than pushing a far, far left agenda.
Or maybe you could take that up with Boss Olbermann?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pmillJan 24, 2011
I don't know if I should digg this so more people see that Glenn Beck is crazy, or if I should bury, so people don't see this craziness
misanthropeaceJan 24, 2011
Bury it with the rest of the garbage floating around the interwebs.
wf80diditJan 24, 2011
It won't matter because most of Digg already thinks he's crazy. Me on the other hand thinks he's semi-genius. He's managed to keep himself popular amongst the left and the right. Now that he's on America's #1 Cable News Network, Fox News, he has the opportunity to reach millions of like-minded citizens who's voices are drown out daily by the lamestream liberal media. Many more then he would've been allowed to reach while at CNN.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
No, calling mainstream media liberal just doesn't work anymore. It's part of the far right conservative’s conspiratorial mindset. What we need is good, rational reporting. Not more 'soap opera' news and fomenting of hate which is exactly what happens with shows like Beck's. I'll give him one thing though. He's a master at further dividing our country.
wf80diditJan 25, 2011
He's also a master at donating $100,000 of his own money to a hospital that specializes in treating children with cancer. Yeah, that's real divisive there.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/35626/
Get a clue, he's no more divisive than Olbermann or Maddow. It's just a game, why can't you see that? There is no real division. When it comes down to it, we're all Americans trying to keep the Republic alive.
JustSayNoPartyJan 25, 2011
While I was focused on Beck, I'm ok with throwing Olberman in that grouping. And, it's not really a game to me. So many who watch those shows love to call the other side 'unamerican'. The two sides battle to a 'lose-lose' conclusion. It's in many ways what the repub and dem congresman are doing. They don't look for 'win-win'.
xay90Jan 24, 2011
Once again proving why you can't take Fox seriously save its sitcoms and cartoons
angrycat70Jan 24, 2011
Piven created a very dangerous plan to destroy the United States from within and you mutts are attacking Glenn Beck? WOW. That really f**ked up.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
You know ... they were apparently taking comments from a website in another article on this...and reading them... it looked very much like what quite a few commenters have said on Digg about Sarah Palin.
People have been talking about Cloward Piven strategy before Glenn Beck had a show.
It's scary how the left twists things. THEY have the right to write WHATEVER they want about conservatives. We're "Talibangelicals". We're "Fascists". We're "Racists". We're evil and Noam Chomsky just said that the last election is going to destroy America.
See, the left wing...it gets to say whatever it wants...but a right-winger talking ACCURATELY about Fox Piven poses some sinister danger.
Are you aware that Glenn BECK has to have a security detail due to left wing threats against him?
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/exposed-documentation-of-leftwing-hate-threats
Telling the truth about a person on a television show is not dangerous speech.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
I swear, most of the left-wing/right-wing comments on this site are like the pot calling the kettle black. It's as if i can take your whole comment and polarize certain political words and that resulting comment wouldn't really be wrong either cause in the end it's all biased bulls**t
What i really hate seeing are those type of people who lean to a certain side so much that it starts to become an issue of us versus them. You stop seeing people as an individual but instead classify them based on affiliation.
All this one-sided partisan talk starts to sound the same after a while.....
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
You are correct. Both sides will stand in their corners and just scream. There won't be any 'light of reason' sinking in. Espcecially when someone joins one of the two teams. Just watch for words like 'libtards, republitards' or any insults. Oh, and each side thinks the other is full of retards and easilly ignored.
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
"Telling the truth about a person on a television show is not dangerous speech."
It is based on your intentions
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
Crap, now I have to go see who this Piven is and why Beck watchers are demonizing her. Did anyone even know who the heck Piven was before Beck? Should Libs also find 'any' conservative thinker and 'slather' all conservatives with his or her comments? Well, both sides do that and they need to stop it.
It seems like she probably was 'targeted' as another convenient Liberal to demonize. She's not exactly a mainstream figure. Ok, off to do my research damnit.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
Yes, she's been around a long time. I'll help you out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy
outerboxthinkerJan 24, 2011
All I know that the Chinese are becoming strong and powerful while the Americans are pointing the blaming fingers on each other. It all comes down to the lack of knowledge, education, and the ability to lead of the Americans from young to old. The Americans may still have the best war weaponry in the world, but all that will vanish when the Americans are poor and fight each other for a piece of bread. If Obama was truely a President with "CHANGE", he should focus on creating jobs, not healthcare reform nor international relation. What makes America strong again as a nation is to re-create America after the WW II.
As for this socialist or that communist, this republican or that democrat, the Americans will end up with a modern civil war if more Americans lose their jobs. The modern civil war becomes imminent when there is more poor and jobless Americans walking on the streets.
May God bless you, Americans!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
brewbeauJan 24, 2011
Please quit spamming.
armedrebelJan 24, 2011
And why is it so hard for people to believe that some freak named Jared Lee Loughner was influenced by the barrage of hatred from the right?
charlotte_webJan 24, 2011
Maybe because there's no proof?
armedrebelJan 24, 2011
Do you believe in god?
brad1Jan 24, 2011
Jared Loughner didn't. Typical tea party atheist.
novenatorJan 24, 2011Submitter
He wasn't wearing a Glenn Beck t-shirt, he didn't take thumbs up photos of himself at the last Tea Party, but he *did* rant about the evils of government and the lack of the gold standard. Not evidence, granted, but clearly suggestive of who he was being influenced by.
charlotte_webJan 24, 2011
You're still trying to use this tragic event for political gain.
Liberals believe government is evil, too, when it comes to issues like homeland security, intelligence gathering, and military operations.
Most people aren't 100% liberal or 100% conservative, though. But people who actually knew him described him as a liberal.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
Agreed, Charlotte. We need to try and marginalize as much as possible the extreme elements of both parties. As far as this nut, we probably can't really label him with either party nor should we. Extreme comments and views set off the extremists. Rational arguments are their enemy.
brad1Jan 24, 2011
Because:
a.) He is a pot-smoking leftist
b.) He despised George W Bush and would "well up in anger" at the sight of him
c.) He is a 9/11 "Truther"
d.) He didn't watch TV or read the news
e.) He is insane
Does that sound like your typical tea partier? Or does it sound more like your typical Digger?
Taking advantage of a tragedy to try to silence political opponents by accusing of them of complicity in mass murder is absolutely abhorrent, but for some reason only the left is doing it, even though the right would have more reasons to blame it on the left.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=4&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
Your comment sound like you are 'both' saying it's wrong to label him as either liberal or conservative. Yet, you then label him as a leftist? Both sides just need to stop.
brad1Jan 24, 2011
Because he is a leftist. They're not to blame for the shooting; it just illustrates the absurdity of trying to blame it on the right.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
yes, but if you truly just want people to stop 'labeling' and realize he was just nuts, then wouldn't it be better to just say that (rather than join the labeling game)?
lemurdaddyJan 24, 2011
The shooter appears to be a paranoid schitzophrenic. If you've ever had the misfortune to know such a person, you know they have no politics beyond "crazy." Labeling such a person "leftist" or "rightist" is absurd, and brad1, you appear to be gleefully jumping into the absurdity.
It is not absurd, however, to ask how the heated atmosphere affected the madman. Insane people do react to their environment. They do not exist in a vacuum.
I find the right-wing cries of victimization almost as silly as the (very few) attempts by the left to link the shooter to the Tea Party.
As for "using the shooting for political gain," I'd be curious to hear if you think the Patriot Act would have passed without waving the bloody flag of 9/11.
brad1Jan 25, 2011
First of all, the attempts were not "very few", they were pervasive (even within minutes of the tragedy) until it came out that the shooter was not even close to being a Tea Partier. Then - and only then - did the discussion suddenly change to the "let's all get along" mantra.
Let's not forget that it is because of the baseless attacks from the left that the politics of the shooter were even brought into the equation in the first place. Some even tried to blame the attempted Times Square bomber on the Tea Party until he turned out to be an Islamic extremist. It's time that we put a stop to this appalling tactic that is owned solely by the left, and boldly and publicly calling them out on it is the only way to get this to stop.
My personal objections to the Patriot Act aside, I don't think you've made a valid comparison. The Patriot Act was designed to provide intelligence to prevent another terrorist attack and was thus directly related to 9/11. Your comparison might be valid if the republicans blamed 9/11 on the left and the Patriot Act was created in an attempt to silence their political opponents. On another note, why is Obama getting ready to renew the Patriot Act yet again?!
wkrausmannJan 24, 2011
I would think it was because he was obsessed with Giffords for at least three years.
armedrebelJan 24, 2011
Then why did it take him so long to actually shoot her?
wkrausmannJan 24, 2011
You'd have to find a psychologist for that one.
You could ask Loughner...
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
Here's another take on the subject.
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/01/22/the-new-york-times-whitewashes-marxist-revolutionary-frances-fox-piven/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
laurahoustonJan 24, 2011
doesn't Beck understand that these are modern times, with the internet his words go out to millions of people. odds are some of those people are unbalanced and armed.
This is not like the 60s or 70s where people had to wait to read your newspaper or mag story or get your news letters in the mail.
It's up to you Beck to inform your viewers that death threats are not tolerated and you will turn those people in. Its your website, you know the posters isp and need to turn those people over to the law.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
f**king whack jobs
consciousmanJan 24, 2011
Beck is dangerous, crazy and should not be on TV or radio ,but in a psychiatric hospital.
TheTruth00Jan 24, 2011
Meh.. republicans have some good points, but have very silly representatives. Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, O'Reilly, etc... all emotional clowns who give the party a bad name
banderwockyJan 24, 2011
Didn't these people learn from the last political assasination attempt in Arizona?
cherwilcoJan 24, 2011
oh no! how will another front page article survive with the nazi inspired digg patriots burying the comments here? oh the horror!
nice sub novenator
thecoolestguyJan 24, 2011
How is this Beck's fault!? Is Beck not allowed to harshly criticize someone? Should freedom of speech be reduced in the name of security!?
What the f**k is the matter with all of you sheep who dugg up Novenator's ridiculous story?
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
Beck's entire program is about harsh criticism and finding liberal boogeymen. Of course that is his right. But, it's still annoying that so many use him as their main news source.
thecoolestguyJan 24, 2011
And it has NOTHING to do with a violent action. To try to blame him for it is to try to argue for restrictions on free speech. That is the only logical purpose in blaming Beck for some violent lunatic's threats or attacks.
ryanwbJan 24, 2011
In law school, I wrote a review on a case where a man was being tried for hiring a hitman to kill his wife. However in this case, the man never directly said anything of the matter he just made comments like "I wouldn't be upset if she didn't come home one day." The guy to whome he was making these comments killed his wife and the husband was found guilty because he had a known position of influence over the individual to commit the crime. There was some very loose evidence to suggest the killer owed the husband a favor, but nothing concrete such as money exchanging hands.
The point is Beck knows he has a position of influence I'm sure Beck has become aware of the death threats, has he gone on air and say something like "I am a little disheartened to learn that because of my report on "so and so" there have been threats made against her life." and then ask for his viewers to be more socially responsible? Has he ever done this with any of the other individuals he speaks out on?
No he never has done that, and never will - which makes me wonder what he would do if someone acted on his words? There are limits to freedom of speech and I would argue that Beck's words could be construed inciteful or hate speech and he would therefore not be able to hide behind the Constitution if his words directly led to violence
bluto36Jan 24, 2011
then so could yours
someone could just as easily read what you said and come to the conclusion this beck guy is a threat... i need to take him out.
anything you point to Beck could just as easily be put on to anyone else for what ever reason.
in your case, because of the well reasoned attack on Beck, in Beck,s because of his influence and position.
how would you react if someone acted on your words?
ryanwbJan 25, 2011
Your scenario is a bit far fetched because I do not have a national audience from a television show nor am I a published author or a recognized voice for a body of individuals. (That body being conservatives). Bottom line, it would be very difficult to prove I am in a position of influence. Moreover the likelihood of Beck being charged if someone acted is very remote, I was more curious in how he would respond or how the public would respond
There has been a great deal of attention to kids who are tormented at school and commit suicide. The individuals who did the verbal abuse are being brought up on charges. Again, words that incite violence are not protected speech. Based upon precedence, I'm just curious to see how any of this would be approached from a legal perspective should something violent occur from provocation from someone like Beck and if could be proven he was the catalyst for the incident
thecoolestguyJan 25, 2011
His scenario is perfectly accurate. By your logic, if someone acted on your criticisms of Beck with violence, you would be held responsible.
Your argument is unbelievably stupid and not based on any real principles. Your real objective here is to shut up someone because you don't like what he says. If the criticisms were being directed at Beck, you would not have argued for restrictions on their free speech.
Criticizing someone is not what "incitement" means. There has to be a specific incitement to commit violence, not just a harsh criticism that could theoretically lead a criminally inclined individual to decide to hurt someone.
thecoolestguyJan 25, 2011
---However in this case, the man never directly said anything of the matter he just made comments like "I wouldn't be upset if she didn't come home one day."---
Don't pretend this is the same at all. The only way a guy could be convicted is if he made it clear implicitly that he would reward the hitman if he did it.
Beck has repeatedly told his supporters to use non-violent means, and any time a violent act has been carried out, has harshly criticized the offender.
What you're really arguing for is restrictions on freedom of speech, in the name of security.
--There are limits to freedom of speech and I would argue that Beck's words could be construed inciteful or hate speech and he would therefore not be able to hide behind the Constitution if his words directly led to violence---
I understand your position, I'm just pointing it's f**king ridiculous and disgusting. There is no way any court of law would consider it inciteful.
AroundThedotNetJan 24, 2011
violence is all that seems to spew from that man. so sad.
wkrausmannJan 24, 2011
But if you listen to his show, he doesn't condone violence. He never did. Find audio or video proof. Prove me wrong.
dannyhirtlerJan 24, 2011
Fair enough. Here's an audio clip of Beck saying you're gonna have to shoot the radicals in the head http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/01/20/video-glenn-beck-shoot-them-in-the-head-clip-found/
And here's the whole context of that situation. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594343,00.html
I think I just proved you wrong
wkrausmannJan 24, 2011
He still never told anyone to shoot anyone.
dannyhirtlerJan 24, 2011
He literally said "You are going to have to shoot them in the head" Those were his actual words. What part of "You are going to have to shoo them in the head" is not telling anyone to shoot anyone????
wkrausmannJan 24, 2011
The whole thing.
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
Yep Glenn Beck's typical scare tactics used to manipulate those who are feeble-minded enough to believe him.
@wkrausmann
Were you watching the same video or are you just in denial? he pretty much said "These people don't believe in what you believe, they're dangerous, shoot them before they shoot you."
zeitaJan 24, 2011
These outspoken, ignorant ass hats need to learn to shut their mouths before some one gets killed...oh wait, sorry Arizona.
wkrausmannJan 24, 2011
You mean these asshats? http://bit.ly/gyopcH
freeforalJan 24, 2011
I don't care what Beck says or doesn't say regarding violence.
If I were to tell someone that their brake light is out I don't need to follow that up with "you should replace it." That's unnecessary because it's obvious.
Likewise, if someone is actively attempting to incite violent revolution, the obvious implication is that they should be stopped by any means necessary.
If we accept loCol's assertions that liberals are "the lowest of the low" and "anti-American," could you see how some might disagree that "violence has no place in the arena of ideas?"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
glassagateJan 24, 2011
Okay, there is a difference between reporting views
of someone, and reporting the views on that same
person, but then insinuating that what this person
is doing will bring about the end of our country,
and lead it to a Communist state.
Of course, who is to say that Communism is all that bad?
Perhaps pure communism is, but what if you had a system
that was a combination of communism and capitalism?
Seriously, not everything needs to make a profit.
Our current form of capitalism, with such things as
"pay to spray" fire department protection, in some smaller
areas, and for-profit health care system, you realize that
not everything needs to make a profit. Mix in some ideas
from communism, toss out some ideas from socialism,
and go about our days.
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/10/race-mixing-is-communism/
Now, desegregation isn't communism, but these folks sure
thought that it was, or at least hoped that just calling
it communism would make it go away. Perhaps, in
today's world, when Beck says that something is
"communism" or "socialism", he really just wants
to make something look back, and just like the people
in the photo, hopes that it goes away.
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
Seriously, it's almost taboo to say the word socialism in this country when capitalism isn't that damn great in the first place. Capitalism is the reason why this country is in the s**tter right now. I totally agree that this country would be better off with a mix of socialism and capitalism, but i've always thought that the reason why socialism wouldn't work in this country is because people here are too individualistic....no one wants to support a total stranger if they aren't required to
rastas11Jan 24, 2011
You would fit right in North Korea.
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
Yeah that makes me a communist...right. Thanks for proving my point that saying the word socialism is taboo. Obviously i'm not American enough for you
rastas11Jan 25, 2011
We already have a mix of capitalism and socialism. The socialism aspect has gone WAY TO FAR. We are 14 Trillion in debt largely due to the socialism. Its time to stop tearing down capitalism and emphasizing what we CAN do as individuals. WE have created the most benevolent and prosperous country that has ever existed, as imperfect as it is. We need to stop expecting government to solve our problems. They couldn't find the asss with both hands..
RichysDiggNameJan 25, 2011
really? because i think that the capitalism aspect has gone way too far. And i wouldn't be so quick to call this country Benevolent
glassagateJan 24, 2011
Glenn Beck doesn't sound like he's going to speak out
against gay marriage. It isn't a problem, and he realizes
that. For that, I thank him.
Now, let's say that he were to switch directions. He could
make it sound like that it would destroy America, for
our society to accept it, and list off all sorts of people and
groups that are in support of it. I'm certain that those
people would then receive death threats, or at least I
think that they would.
The problem is partly Becks, but the majority of it
rests with the mentally unstable portion of his viewers.
They are the real problem.
Guns don't kill people, mentally deranged people kill
people.
sithlrdJan 24, 2011
Dear Glen:
Sociologist != Socialist.
K? Now go away.
paultripJan 24, 2011
glen Beck id really Elvis....and he is out to kill mankind!
trashfree2000Jan 24, 2011
This is ironic. The woman that says people should commit violent acts in order to change the government is complaining about threats of violence against her.
nycjapJan 24, 2011
Boy, nothing like a digg on Beck to get the wingnuts all weeweed up. ;p
thatsmrcarterJan 24, 2011
I hate when ppl say, "he's protected under free speech. he can say what he wants, they're just words." When you speak to a large audience you have to watch what you say. Because for every 1 sane person is 100 insane people. Cant stand this fool, they need to shut him and dr. laura down.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
vance9281Jan 24, 2011
By your logic of a 1-100 ratio of sane to insane, then Ms Piven join Beck & Dr. Laura in being shut down. In fact, no one should ever say anything. Then we can all toil in the People's Work Hole in utopian harmony and be all warm & cozy.
coreyshivelyJan 24, 2011
Piven is calling for "strikes and riots" in america... Shes not some sweet 78 year old woman.. She promotes chaos and shes an ugly woman. The threats against her are ridiculous and reprehensible but Beck hasn't called for them. He has just told people to pay attention to her and the rest of the left that call for violence yet say the right are the ones that do.
JustSayNoPartyJan 24, 2011
That's true. But, it does get tiring that people alread ready to believe the 'Left' or 'Right' is nuts go searching for any wack job to 'Prove' their point.
monvalleyJan 24, 2011
Do Gooder says DDT makes eagles eggs brittle, so it's banned; resulting in millions of Africans death. She gets a nobel peace prize and then scientists say "oops, it doesn't make the eggs brittle". And you all worry about Beck; you're sick.
johnomazzJan 24, 2011
If I was Google, I'd call the show and tell him that if he ever used the name 'Google' every again, he'd be sued. f**k that guy is a nutball.
vance9281Jan 24, 2011
Gawker and the responders here focus on what the NYT said and not was Piven said in her editorial in The Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/article/157292/mobilizing-jobless
"An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees."
Beck reported on this piece with its call for the sort of riots that have been taking place in Europe. Three people were murdered in Athens and somehow Piven's call for violence is Glenn Beck's fault. Beck quoted her accurately and now there are demands on the left for him to stop the 'false accusations."
Please. She wrote an editorial calling for violence in our streets and when Beck brought it to a much larger audience than The Nation commands, the left has gone bats**t. The NYT, The Nation, et al, think Piven should be allowed to say anything she wants but if you think she is wrong you cannot criticize her.
46hillbillyJan 24, 2011
Nuts abound in this country; some are in offices at Congress as well.
roastpuppy2Jan 24, 2011
If it's any consolation, I have never seen or heard this guy before.
Granted, I live in Canada, and am decidedly not a Conservative, but it amazes me that some people can be so outspoken/stupid and remain on TV.
Who supports these people?
ShovelbabyJan 25, 2011
The founders of the United States of America.
skywiseJan 24, 2011
78 Year Old Sociologist calls for "Greece style" riots in the street-
http://www.thenation.com/article/157292/mobilizing-jobless
"So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?"
"An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees."
Greek riots leave 3 dead
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/jan-june10/greece1_05-05.html
Now.. .WHO is calling for violence and fear-mongering?
latentkJan 24, 2011
Somehow I feel your facts will get buried.
latentkJan 24, 2011
78 Year Old Sociologist calls for "Greece style" riots in the street-
http://www.thenation.com/article/157292/mobilizing-jobless
"So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?"
"An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees."
Greek riots leave 3 dead
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/jan-june10/greece1_05-05.html
Now.. .WHO is calling for violence and fear-mongering?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
feloniusmonkeyJan 24, 2011
Glenn Beck's show should have a disclaimer just like the telephone psychics do: "For Entertainment Purposes Only"
iriemeditationJan 24, 2011
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josecuervoJan 24, 2011
Hey Beck. How about comparing theory(Piven's 1966 paper) versus actual events(Prescott Bush's involvement in political conspiracy and a coup d'etat attempt against Franklin Roosevelt).
evansconfortiJan 24, 2011
Regardless of what GB says this ladies mantra is nothing short of scary;
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances-fox-piven-rings-in-the-new-year-by-calling-for-violent-revolution/
Again alternative media for the win.
V for Victory.
mlw4428Jan 24, 2011
Alternative media? http://www.theblaze.com/about/ = "The Blaze is a news, information and opinion site brought to you by Glenn Beck and a dedicated team of writers, journalists & video producers."
How the f**k is that alternative? The site is ran by Glenn Beck, you nitwit.
evansconfortiJan 24, 2011
Your post shows your ignorance.
If i said "Again alternative media for the win" then posted the link I would understand your rant.
All I did was post a link from her own wiki page with information on this sadistic person and then said "Again alternative media for the win". You get it now assh**e, or do I have to draw some stick figures for you?!
Open your eyes and mind to alternative media and remove yourself from the left, right world they want you to live in. Here ya go http://www.infowars.com/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mlw4428Jan 24, 2011
None of that makes any sense.
1) Your link is biased to the right (Glenn Beck's own website).
2) You're CPing information on a "sadistic" person from her own wiki page which points to a known biased site that bad mouths her?
3) This is NOT alternative media. This is ran by Glenn Beck (backed by Faux Noose).
So yes, I welcome your stick figure drawing...nothing that you're saying makes sense otherwise.
sweatysackJan 24, 2011
Just because it's a different link, does not make it a different source.
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
Piven should understand that this is what happens when you are a traitor to your country.
bluto36Jan 24, 2011
the choices you make eh
Closed AccountJan 24, 2011
The truth hurts especially when you're a digger who basically acts like this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd_PdF5lDVc&feature=feedlik
u2canfailJan 24, 2011
I have no clue how anyone can watch Beck, I can't stand to listen for 1 minute. Geesh does he screech! I guess it is the mad part, I don't have, and don't want.
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
i've said it before and i'll say it again.....every time i see Glenn Beck talk in that smug, sarcastic way that he portrays himself, i get the urge to beat his face in with a lead pipe
bluto36Jan 24, 2011
um thats how violent people that go and shoot up Safeways in Tucson talk...
congrats to you!
RichysDiggNameJan 24, 2011
my main point is that Glenn Beck irritates me
Obviously i exaggerated to get that point across but congrats to you for thinking that anyone who says one violent comment on Digg is capable of shooting up safeways in tucson
bluto36Jan 24, 2011
so in your "progressive" world your violent comments are the OK ones and the imaginary ones Beck makes are the evil ones...
got it.
RichysDiggNameJan 25, 2011
Yeah, i'm not the one with a television show spreading my poison and manipulating people into thinking the way i do. And i would certainly not consider Glenn Beck's comments to be imaginary. Good for you for proving how fast you'll get on your knees for Glenn Beck
oh and shove that "progressive" partisan talk up your ass. It was one comment on Digg that didn't live up to your holier than thou standards. The fact that you're taking my comment so seriously and comparing them with something that jared loughner would do (which is extremely insulting btw) shows how one-sided and ignorant you really are.
bluto36Jan 25, 2011
wow you do have some anger issues.
watch out safeway
JustSayNoPartyJan 25, 2011
Rich, many here are good at assuming and generalizing. It is often best to ignore them. For example, I never saw you state your credentials as a progressive. But, if you come out against Beck, you must be progressive. There after all are only 'two sides'. Then again, I do think it is progressive to come out against Beck. Arggg, I must be progressive. Curses.