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clitniblr036Oct 8, 2011
All the interviews I've seen from the Occupy Wall Street protestors with reporters have been clear, informative, and respectful. So, I don't know where people are getting the "dirty hippie" crap.
Also, those being interviewed were from diverse backgrounds and ages which should be apparent to anyone that this is NOT a right wing or left wing problem. This is everybody's problem.
The American tax payers bailed out Wall St. and the banks, and they deserve to be compensated for the financial fiasco Wall St. and the banks created.
anomaly100Oct 8, 2011Submitter
They're cherry picking what they *want* to see, thus propagating the same old partisan hackery that's so Fox News-like. Rush Limbaugh said Obama is starting riots. His fans will see what they were told to see. This is why I don't listen to propaganda media.
clitniblr036Oct 8, 2011
You mean like how Faux News distorts events by showing video footage of a different protest rally to inflate the numbers of supporters for Glen Beck's rally?
Or how they conveniently change (R) for Republicans to (D) for Democrats or vice versa for certain politicians being interviewed that they want to cast in a certain light?
Or how they championed the Tea Baggers but now ridicule the Occupy Wall Street crowd?
anomaly100Oct 8, 2011Submitter
Yes, eggzactly like that! 'Fair and balanced.' Damn if they don't keep redefining words....
vitriolandangstOct 8, 2011
I think people were adding "blow up palm trees" to some protests, because of a recent video clip of "out of control protestors" in a northern state that showed Palm Trees in the background.
LOL.
Seriously -- we are being attacked by a bunch of fifth columnists at Fox News but they are barely competent to hold a job beyond merely being treacherous snakes.
anomaly100Oct 8, 2011Submitter
Lol. "Fifth columnists." I like that.
ganjadude4391Oct 9, 2011
all the networks have been shown to do that, not that i am saying it makes it ok for fox, but if you are going to blame them, you should point out that msnbc and cnn have both mislabeled representitives, and both have used larger or smaller crowds with different events.
as for OWS, I was down there the other day, and its the same as any protest for the most part, there are the professional protesters, now the unions are there, there are the troublemakers, there are the dirty people s**tting on cop cars, and than there are genuine people who are really pissed off. I would say that this protest is clearly lacking direction, the media is trying to sway the direction as well are the unions, everyone wants something different the only thing they really agree on is they are pissed off.
stevekratzOct 9, 2011
Kind of like the overhead view of the street-clogging crowd, when it was a photoshop from Google Earth? (And yes, I'm talking about the bums pulling the democratic-inspired Occupy Wallstreet farce)
Closed AccountOct 8, 2011
anomaly - You mean like Politicus, Alternet, et. al.? :-)
alanocuOct 8, 2011
You know, if these protesters don't appreciate the young dirty hippie label, they should cease from taking s**ts on police cars.
anomaly100Oct 8, 2011Submitter
You don't know that's a protester.
Closed AccountOct 8, 2011
Plus they love puppies and kittens.
bookantOct 8, 2011
"So, I don't know where people are getting the "dirty hippie" crap."
That's just what conservatives do - they just pull out the same tired talking points and ad hominem attacks to reuse over and over again. This is why they still think "hippies" is biting social commentary about 40 years after the rest of the world moved on. Because ALL protestors are by default "hippies" (unless, of course, they're the Tea Party, in which case they're heroes and patriots).
miklkitOct 8, 2011
I don't mind those neanderthals calling us hippies. Back in the 1960s we hippies toppled a sitting president and stopped a war based on lies.
We were hip, modern, progressive thinking people looking for a better way of doing things. We were pushing the envelope and getting things done.
What are these modern hippies doing differently?
kasha34Oct 9, 2011
Stopped a war based on lies. And cleared the way for hundreds of thousands of murders and people shipped to re-education camps. And then there's Cambodia...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ganjadude4391Oct 9, 2011
kinda like how the left likes to throw around the racist label on everything right?
superkendallOct 8, 2011
In other words, just like Tea Party members. The Tea Party and the Occupy people have so much in common, if only they would realize this and form an alliance... if you have been to both, it's basically the same kinds of people coming from different sides of the fence. They even subtly hit at this with the 99% thing - the Tea Party are part of the 99% too you know.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
cdw070Oct 9, 2011
Don't like it when a false accusation is made to to cover a large group of people when only a few ruin it, eh? Well, you deserve it. The left wing has been doing that to the tea party for years now.
vitriolandangstOct 8, 2011
It's at least better than the eventual "terrorist" slur.
What did we expect? That after spending decades dismissing anyone trying to have Corporations be accountable and trying to keep capitalism from killing us, that the shills and the Archie Bunkers out there were just going to see reason?
And what is wrong with "Dirty Hippies" anyway? Did the Vietnam war not waste a lot of human life for war profits like Afghanistan and Iraq -- and was it NOT the public pressure of the hippies that helped to end that war -- or did we enter another Universe where these are suddenly GOOD things?
bdbrOct 8, 2011
Yeah, I keep waiting for the "terrorist" slur. I expect it will happen when the group starts making demands for politicians. So far, they're just yelling at banks and the banks don't have any reason to care. When they start going after the politicians - the ones who actually must answer to the people, that's when the rhetoric will get really nasty.
partrowOct 8, 2011
And that is where the true responsibility lies.
austinjameshereOct 8, 2011
It's really great to see the WW2 vets come out to support the protests - The movement is getting a lot of veteran support.
peppermintpigOct 8, 2011
You imply this is one big unified action, but that is not the case.
peppermintpigOct 8, 2011
Three of you disagree, so tell me what the common goals of the protesters supposedly are?
macparrotOct 8, 2011
They can't tell you that because they don't know. This is more about being angry (and for many reasons rightfully so) than a legitimate protest with anything resembling clear goals. And unfortunately it's why it will ultimately fail. Sooner or later, many of these people will tire of just protesting and go home.
Anomaly, instead of trying to show what a diverse group this is (because honestly that hardly matters) you should be trying to find out what the goals of these people are if any. Otherwise this is just like firecrackers, a lot of fast noise with a brief potential for destruction and then all that's left is burnt smelly paperComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
"They can't tell you that because they don't know. This is more about being angry (and for many reasons rightfully so) than a legitimate protest with anything resembling clear goals. And unfortunately it's why it will ultimately fail. Sooner or later, many of these people will tire of just protesting and go home."
Yes, according to your layman opinion of political movements this will amount to nothing. Never mind the fact it's already more popular than the tea party, and is currently involved in almost 900 cities in the US. They don't need a simplistic message for layman like you to understand them.
"Anomaly, instead of trying to show what a diverse group this is (because honestly that hardly matters) you should be trying to find out what the goals of these people are if any. "
Oh, it does matter. More asking of goals? Why don't you wait until the movement finishes growing, because it's still got a lot of it to do. Be patient, or not, not like anyone worth their salt cares about this retarded talking point.
"Otherwise this is just like firecrackers, a lot of fast noise with a brief potential for destruction and then all that's left is burnt smelly paper"
Wasn't the same thing said about the tea party? Oh, that's right, it was. Guess what, this movement is even larger, and TRUE libertarians support most of this movement as well.
peppermintpigOct 8, 2011
Fishenator's comment reconstructed so that the "layman" can understand it's complexity.
"Yes, according to your layman opinion of political movements this will amount to nothing. Never mind the fact it's already more popular than the tea party, and is currently involved in almost 900 cities in the US. They don't need a simplistic message for layman like you to understand them."
If you're just starting out on digg, notice that it's often typical form to begin your responses by belittling the person you are responding to, or alluding to your intellectual superiority. It also helps to claim that the person you're responding to is an imbecile incapable of grasping the issue at hand.
"Oh, it does matter. More asking of goals? Why don't you wait until the movement finishes growing, because it's still got a lot of it to do. Be patient, or not, not like anyone worth their salt cares about this retarded talking point."
You can also cite and set abstract goalposts to refute any sort of criticism. Be sure, once again, to attack the person you're responding to. Accusing them of repeating talking points is only one of several options available to you, but try to use a reliable deflection tactic.
"Wasn't the same thing said about the tea party? Oh, that's right, it was. Guess what, this movement is even larger, and TRUE libertarians support most of this movement as well."
Lastly, feel free to make assumptions about the person you are responding to. In fact, make assumptions about anyone, particularly groups. The bigger the better since populism gives you an air of authority via majority. Now you're on the way to dominating over any sort of discussion regardless of logic or evidence!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
1. layman is a statement of fact not an insult.
2. His point is nothing more than a superficial criticism of a movement he doesn't like because they don't have a single ideology or goal. He's the one suggesting there is a goal post before the team is fully assembled, largely because he's a layman.
3. In a democracy the largest voice usually wins. He's defended the tea party, which is ironic because the left threw some of the same stupid talking points at them when they started.
4. The only person here deflecting anything is you, as your post is nothing more than your opinion that you don't like the way I present my argumet, yet lacks any real refutation of my points.
reaper527Oct 8, 2011
"Never mind the fact it's already more popular than the tea party,"
i love "facts" that can't be backed up first thing in the morningComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
http://www.google.com/m?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=ows+more+popular+than+tea+party
dont do a google search or anything, cause it might make you look like you know what you're talking about lol
macparrotOct 8, 2011
Do you know why the protests against the Vietnam war worked? Because they had a common goal as compared to just being noisy kids.
Yes they do need a message other than just anger because anger by itselt cannot be sustained. You want to tear down the status quo without having anything to replace it. That's anarchy and is essentially more destructive than the process you want to stop.
You talk about growth. yes this has some legs but eventually something of substance needs to be there to contunue it's momentum.
Oh and where exactly did I defend the Tea Party? They fell apart (which is happening right now) because no one could clearly say what it was they wanted as a group. Screw the Tea Party and screw this movement until they have something real to say.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
peppermintpigOct 8, 2011
Insults are not arguments, so there's no point in finding logic in your statements. Don't pretend you're innocent here.
You are only an authority of your own opinions, but somehow you believe that your opinions are more valuable than others on a fundamental basis.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
equinox2o12Oct 9, 2011
Actually, the Vietnam War protests worked more effectively after the middle class got involved do to the rising military death toll. Before that, they were just "dirty stinky college pot smokers". It was an 8-10 year protest. Today, the middle class has greatly been eroded. You have some there, but most are hanging around outside the mix to make sure it does not fizzle out. It does not look like it will end soon. So expect it to be come far more diverse in age and culture and voting power.
Brief history lesson. The phrase "Liberal Media" was coined by (So.Democrat/Dixiecrat turned Independent) Alabama Governor George Wallace when he was running for president. At the time he meant liberal as a quantity. He felt "too much" coverage of the war was changing American views against the it. Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather were in the fields, very often showing the casualties and talking to disheartened soldiers. He wanted less coverage of the war and more positive spin on minor victories and more negative spin protests. Often leading to protesters as Commies, Anti-American, Bums, Anarchists... you get the message. It still persists today. Bush refused news to cover funerals, coffins and limited views of injuries, collateral damage and civilian casualties.
skywiseOct 9, 2011
Red herring.
dkonigsbachOct 9, 2011
equinox2o12's history is right as far as it goes, but the phrase "Liberal Media" got an even bigger boost when it became a constant talking point of Spiro Agnew. Agnew, and eventually the rest of the Nixon administration (as things grew worse for them) used it to deflect facts that were being reported and that didn't support their positions. This manipulation of cognitive dissonance blossomed into today's right-wing media.
(My apologies in advance to anyone who can point to earlier foundations.)
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
End of corruption of wall street and a end to political greed, and spending for jobs.
peppermintpigOct 8, 2011
But that isn't true. Not all protesters want the government to give them something. Government spending money to create jobs is economically unsustainable and has a negative effect on the debt.
You believe a protest will do that? If the politicians are greedy, what makes you think a protest will deter them? If these people represent the interests of 99% percent of all people, then protesting is unnecessary. A good response is putting solutions into action and bypassing the banking cartels, corporatists and politicians.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
Look at the signs, this group is for less cuts. Yes, they get large enough, they're be able to vote out the politicians f**king the system and install new ones to regulate.
starmanjonesOct 8, 2011
•>Government spending money to create jobs is
•>economically unsustainable and has a negative effect on
•>the debt.
your statement isn't supported by the facts but you say it... condescendingly... like it was. as if it was obvious.
what about spending on jobs to end the great depression? what about spending on wwII? those both were government spending.
what about the effort and investment to get to the moon. the technology developed and the jobs created are still around and only now starting to get stale. going to the moon didn't even directly effect people's lives. it was the greatest producer of wealth in history.
if we did the same thing... make a government investment... in alternative energy technology we would directly effect the cost of energy, the supply of energy, pollution that is likely effecting the earth, create jobs and business... leading directly to increased revenue for government... decreasing both deficit and debt. done deal. not a doubt in the world this would be the result.
please don't point out how government giving solyndra money was a waste. what you see there is business in the business of getting loans. not producing products. we need a federal agency like nasa to keep private industry focused on producing technology. left to their own devices... private industry will always find its way to the least common denominator. "just get the money and run."
peppermintpigOct 8, 2011
War redirects people away from productivity. War dead do not add value to an economy.
peppermintpigOct 9, 2011
Judging by the buries, at least three of you think being dead is more productive than not, so what are you waiting for? Morons.
vitriolandangstOct 8, 2011
The only people confused by the OWS movement are the media and the assh**es who treat Capitalism as a religion.
kasha34Oct 9, 2011
Cuba USSR N Korea PRC Vietnam
Cambodia
stevekratzOct 9, 2011
So when is your boy Obama going to end the foreign wars and spend those billions on a domestic agenda? Oh, that's right, he was just saying that s**t to get elected. Fortunately, it's not going to work a second time.
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
Almost 900 places in America are protesting. Are you butthurt, or are you butthurt?
dktrnimrodOct 8, 2011
Let me ask you this: Who do you want in power to punish these evil corporations?
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
That's a large problem in of itself, before you can tackle that you must remove money from politics, then install new politicians that will regulate then.
dktrnimrodOct 8, 2011
Have fun with that.
dktrnimrodOct 8, 2011
I would rather VOTE leaders in than install them...
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
Kinda how it works anyway.
kasha34Oct 9, 2011
INSTALL new leaders? INSTALL?
vitriolandangstOct 8, 2011
Holy s**t -- you didn't just say that did you?
You know we have a Justice Department, the FBI, FCC, FNRA, SEC, a court system, antitrust, anti-collusion and racketeering laws. Just a few billion dollars in infrastructure to f**king PUNISH this kind of s**t.
But all they seem to be doing is going after kids who put graffiti on walls.
starmanjonesOct 8, 2011
a strong healthy federal government. those that have been attempting to subvert its function put in jail.
anomaly100Oct 8, 2011Submitter
LightStop = just another boring MollyDog account.
dingedarmorOct 8, 2011
Dirty Hippies? Those guys took a bath in the 80's, went back to school and became bankers...wait a minute! There are dirty hippies on Wall Street and they are the a**holes who ripped this country off.
gaijinlawOct 9, 2011
Threadwinnah!
roguegeniusOct 8, 2011
I've heard the dirty hippy talk too. But I consider the source. Half of these 'conservatives' are southerners who were s**tting outside till FDR gave them plumbing. From this lofty perch they call others dirty?
Consider the source and laugh. They are just scared because they know real America, who they've been stomping on since Reagan, may finally have reached that point where they have put up with enough. They have good reason to fear.
roguegeniusOct 8, 2011
I've heard the dirty hippy talk too. But I consider the source. Half of these 'conservatives' are southerners who were s**tting outside till FDR gave them plumbing. From this lofty perch they call others dirty?
Consider the source and laugh. They are just scared because they know real America, who they've been stomping on since Reagan, may finally have reached that point where they have put up with enough. They have good reason to fear.
dktrnimrodOct 8, 2011
Way to 'disspell the myth' with two out of tens.
maxell101Oct 8, 2011
What else do you need to disprove the propaganda. Unless you want to believe it.
barackalypseOct 9, 2011
These photos seem to indicate piles of refuse, and the guy s**tting on the Police car doesn't really paint a very flattering image of these people:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html
smartestdiggerOct 9, 2011
As usual, we must rely upon the foreign press to report on the real story.
ren1999Oct 9, 2011
Let's remember one of the greatest Internet hoaxes about a time traveler named John Titor.
He said that riots would begin in October of 2011.
He also said that this would turn out to be a Communist revolution.
That 22,000 of you who still support Capitalism as it is practiced today, will die as the U.S. secedes into 5 territories.
It is going to take a long time for us to ditch Communism for a more rational Social workfare state as enjoyed by Germany and Japan.
We don't have to let this fictional future happen.
We can go to a Socialist workfare state now.
Hire everyone who wants a job.
If they do a poor job, demote them to less desirable jobs.
Give them hourly pay that helps them to meet the cost of living.
Throw out the lobbyists.
Raise tariffs.
Do this now. It is past too late.
ren1999Oct 9, 2011
This was posted before people got the idea to Occupy D.C. and other places.
I Am John Titor, Ask Me a Question - Page 10
www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1629543/pg10
30 posts - 2 authors - Last post: 17 Sep
Discussion about I Am John Titor, Ask Me a Question [Page 10] at the ... "October 28th, just as that mysterious website indicates, will be a moment of realization .... OR THEY WILL GIVE OTHER STATES THE IDEA TO RIOT.
mountaindwellerOct 8, 2011
I like the pic of the soldier. His enemy? The US Government
peppermintpigOct 8, 2011
The old and the weak will be turned on by politicians when they can no longer make promises using other people's money.
gkiltzOct 8, 2011
It's bizarre! Even if you could survey the whole crowd, you MIGHT find 200 protesting any one thing. A quarter or more of those will be stoned.
It seems like a "Just come out and protest, who cares about what" type of protest.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
icwydOct 8, 2011
I know! Isn't it amazing how f**ked up things are? And nothing has gotten done about how it was f**ked up 3 years ago. Amazing! So everyone has their pet peeve of what the republican party f**ked up. 30 years of f**king up is a long time so there are many, many things that need fix
Maybe in the next 30 years it can all be fixed. It requires something like this as a turning point to get the people see the truth. The truth will get out eventually. The cons can only keep the lie going so long until it is obvious that they are lying their asses off. This is what happens when the people who are not stupid or vested get mad enough about the lying.
You need to figure out that If you aren't part of this then you are part of the problem. Maybe you are stupid or vested. Then that ain't gonna happen, is it?
JonathonFishenatorOct 8, 2011
[citation needed]
Dr_RightOct 8, 2011
Yes, they do look a lot better now that Sugar Daddy Soros and the unions got involved.
digdug135Oct 8, 2011
Your experience may vary, but, damn, these guys smell bad. I hope they do march downwind.
smartestdiggerOct 8, 2011
They are not dirty hippies.
They are stupid, Communist dirty hippies.
equinox2o12Oct 9, 2011
You can't have Commie Hippies any more that you can have Rich Republican Christians. It's oil & water.
jim4781205Oct 9, 2011
Rich Republican Christians. Lol. That is a oxymoron Christian. Sounds like what Christ was exposing. The Pharisees acted the same.
smartestdiggerOct 9, 2011
The "Flea Party"!
LOL
partrowOct 8, 2011
Yeah, these can't be dirty hippies. Here is a pic of one taking a dump on a police car:
http://tinyurl.com/64kv5h4
The protesters are trashing the area, and it has been reported many times that the area has become unsanitary. I say collect names and send them a bill.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
vitriolandangstOct 8, 2011
that's always the focus on any protest. Never mind that banks "lost" trillions, never mind that we bailed them out while they sit on cash waiting for a bargain fire sale.
No, the media will ALWAYS find someone stealing a TV or a person wearing a ballerina costume.
I don't care about the trash and the collateral bathroom breaks -- these are real Americans and a lot of them HAVE lost jobs. It's not like the police and Wall Street are going to pick up the trash and deliver port-a-potties. They are going to let it sit and stink as much as they can.
>> And if there isn't violence, someone will be HIRED to throw a Molotov c**ktail or a rock -- I expect nothing else.
>> And if the dirty Hippies bash some heads, riot and burn the place to the ground -- I will not be offended. This is what happens when people are ignored and their futures destroyed.
Feel free to be frightened of a little protest and people who don't bathe. I'm sure that having rich oil barons finance an astro-turf protest is more civilized, but that's YOUR hang-up.
jim4781205Oct 9, 2011
The protesting list is clear and concise but exposing our wealthy leaders to shame. That is where unfair and unbalanced reporting comes to focus. This peaceful demonstration of Americans distanced as filthy and unclean. Sound like history repeating itself.
10000lakesOct 9, 2011
http://vimeo.com/30081785
barackalypseOct 9, 2011
The shot about 15 seconds agrees with the stereotype of these protesters being mostly 20 something white kids, despite the token old folks they located for this article.
monvalleyOct 8, 2011
These people are pigs; go there and look for yourselves rather than view one or two photos provided by supporters. I was there and know better, just got back. The people shown in this article are not representative of the idiots at the demonstations.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
partrowOct 8, 2011
Of course not. That is because freakoutnation is one of the tools being used to promote the gatherings.