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philperspectiveNov 29, 2010
I think John Cole about summed it up:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/11/28/wikileaks-reaction/
Is it any surprise that we talk s**t about other countries?
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
The only people I've heard say that Wikileaks are the bad guys... are the bad guys.
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
Bulls**t. It takes a really stupid and simple minded person to think "The government should have NO secrets"
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
I think it takes a simple-minded person to believe that society requires giving a person or group of people exclusive power to create and coercively enforce rules which everyone must follow.
I stand by my original comment. I haven't heard anyone call wikileaks the bad guys that I consider a "good" guy. They could be "bad" guys because they are ignorant or paranoid or just plain evil but every criticism I've heard about the various wikileaks leaks (not about personalities) is extremely weak.
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
Oh come back to me when it's not just USA state secrets being divulged.
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
Just because you don't pay attention to stuff that CNN, FOX and MSNBC don't talk about, that doesn't mean it didn't happen...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Leaks
Go back to sleep.
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
Wikileaks has other sources than USA documents?
Please point me to that!
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
If you can use digg, you should be able to find out information on your own. Otherwise you're helpless. And that is exactly the type of citizen the states of the world want.
Even though there was enough info in the link I already provided to get you to this infomation with very little effort, I'll help you out.
Here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080402092346/www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks
You're welcome.
bdog2g2Nov 30, 2010
As much as it pains me....and I'm trying not to vomit a lil bit, I'll have to side with quirk on this.
While WikiLeaks has outed a lot of other big items, of late Assange seems to be hell bent on pursuing an anti-American agenda. And the manner in which he's doing so is wreckless.
The fact that he published documents containing informant names, etc, and hiding behind the guise of "well we did our best" is irresponsible at best and gross negligence at worst.
I'm all for exposing atrocities and wrong-doings, but in a legal and responsible manner. Assange reminds me of Peter Pan, I'll commit one bad/illegal act because I'm going to do a good one with the results.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
Please point to an example instead of repeating NYT's nonsense. Give me one example of someone being hurt or killed because of these leaks. You can't because there isn't one.
cosmicsurferDec 1, 2010
Sadly youy have fallen for the most outrageous and ridiculous charges against Wikileaks...That they are actually doing something that is hurting people...WIKILEAKS didn't do a f**king thing other than shine light on that which has been done by others. In fact, it didn't even do that. Since you have no clue as to the entire point of Wikileaks, why not learn about it.
They are not supportive of anything or anyone. They only print what is given to them. They are a document dissemination site, That is all. They reserve the right to release anything handed to them and they do...REGARDLESS of the fallout...REGARDLESS of the nation; REGARDLESS of the political push.
They are not the creator of the travesties of which they report. YOUR ELECTED GOVERNMENT and those who own them, and you, are the ones you should be holding accountable.
If you side with the Quirk on this then you really need to look at YOUR refusal to live in reality.
Her response is a typical look at the shiny, manipulated surface of things instead of looking at the people who manipulate her every thought.
rblancarteNov 29, 2010
When sections of our government and military are running amok like we see in WikiLeaks, I have ZERO problem with this being aired out. If you don't want illegal and/or quasi-legal actions to be brought to the public's attention, don't do the actions in the first place.
Oh and agree with philperspective's post too.
gbudavidNov 29, 2010
Short answer.... YUP.....
anomaly100Nov 30, 2010
I am so shocked you'd say that D. S.
gbudavidNov 30, 2010
Long Answer They ought to be Drawn and quartered:)
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
please explain the reasons for your opinion
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
And how would you do that?
Invade Sweden? The servers may not even be physically in Sweden.
Assassinate Assange? That blood would flow across the President's desk...
Get him imprisoned based on false charges? Sweden don't have very long sentences for such, no life in Sweden.
Kidnap Assange and bring him to the US? More blood across the Presidents desk...
You can't touch Assange without having a face covered in rotten eggs...
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
thats why you label wikileaks a terrorist organization
then you go after them based on the war on terror
its a perpetual bulls**t machine! tell people something is a terrorist and have the idiots blessing to go after it!
the few but loud have had their voices heard for far too long
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
And what act of terrorism has WikiLeaks committed again? Oh that's right - NONE!
I guess you wouldn't mind if other countries labeled USA a terrorist nation either. If you think WikiLeaks is a terrorist organization, you surely must agree that the US is a terrorist country?
If not, your name must be "Bigoted Hypocrite"...
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
D.S....
Was she implying she knows about you?
onlinejoeNov 29, 2010
Two words: No way.
godsbongNov 30, 2010
More then two words: We don't know exactly what is within the leaks.
You cannot say they are the bad or good guys at this point. It is to early to tell. I believe what their doing in good in nature, but could have consequences down the road.
godsbongNov 30, 2010
is*
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
But we DO know that allowing states to keep secrets DOES have consequences. Now and down the road.
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
Such a simple minded response from a simple mind.
langfordNov 30, 2010
If it were battle plans and projected troop placements, they they would of course be the bad guys. If it is just embarrassing knowledge that politicians would prefer the voting public not be aware of, then they are doing a service. You can take almost any kind of information, and a politician will typically claim that it can be exploited by an enemy. I don't know a lot of about whatever they are leaking, so whether it is actually one or the other I cannot say.
stubearNov 30, 2010
The problem with secret information is it can be cobbled together to create a larger picture. I don't personally trust Assange and WikiLeaks to properly vet information and redact the correct bits to ensure their motives are as honest as they claim and still protect national security. So far, none of the documents has been classified to cover up illegal acts (especially given the fact that there has been no court decision determining it to be).
ultramagnus0001Nov 30, 2010
It's a new age for governments and we'll hopefully will have a more honest system. The time for politicians lying will go away....hopefully. It's always good to have someone watching over their shoulders.
rattelerNov 30, 2010
Enough secrets and lies.The US government shouldn't be involved in anything it needs to keep from it's people. The only thing criminal here is that Julian Assange and Wikilink had to do this instead of one of our own.
bdbrNov 30, 2010
These are mostly cables about foreign diplomats. Very little of it is what the US government is doing. We just posted everyone ELSE's dirty laundry (and pissed off a lot of world leaders).
Rest assured, the s**t that is going on in the back rooms of the US government is still being kept secret from you.
linuxpersonNov 30, 2010
"We just posted everyone ELSE's dirty laundry (and pissed off a lot of world leaders)."
Unless you are in apart of the Wikileaks operation, you aren't apart of that "we".
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
NO!!!!!
holy f**k no!!!
i f**king love america!! i love americans!!! but i DESPISE the american government!!! they are the true bad guys in the world!
the US government!!!
americans rule! the US government is horrible!!!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
anyone who disagrees should have no problem in listing their reasons why!
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
what is 100% comical is that the same people who are buying me are the same people who advocate for smaller government
apparently the smaller government only applies to aspects of reality of which they share no opinionComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
******burying******
i know how the right sees typos as a way of discarding the entire message
davidtcNov 30, 2010
Please tell us how you can see who buried you. I'm really curious about this hidden feature.
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
ive been on digg for years
not on the same name but that doesnt matter
you can see a pattern in peoples beliefs
if you cannot see this pattern then you shouldnt be participating in any type of semi-intelligent discussionComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ScienceTrumpsReligionNov 30, 2010
cmon republicans! dont just bury! give reasons! give some logic! give some facts! give some truth!
or does that go against the GOP motive?
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
No. The US government is.
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
No.
mark5hsNov 30, 2010
Yes
deepskydiverNov 30, 2010
The truth must be stopped.
dannyhirtlerNov 30, 2010
I want less government! I want less government! Why doesn't the government intervene more? WHAT IS GLENN BECK'S PROBLEM?
calgaryjayNov 30, 2010
Funny all the dummys that think he is somehow Americans and should be tried for treason. I am like flip a coin maybe he should maybe he shouldn't but probably should. They tell us if we have nothing to hide than we should show them what ever they want but cry now.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pentakleNov 30, 2010
Yup they are.
novenatorNov 30, 2010
The bad guys are the ones who are spying, lying, conspiring, and covering it up. The good guys are the ones letting the world know what the former are doing, and don't deserve to be targets of the security establishment and their right wing propaganda wackos like Glenn Beck because of it.
linuxpersonNov 30, 2010
Not trying to defend Glenn Beck but I believe he supports WikiLeaks. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
Just saw this post...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/71803.html
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
I love the naive people who try to act like he is doing it for ANY reason other than to make money off his website.
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
Is it even worth it to say something reasonable here? Can I say "yes" and "no"?
There are some things that people will like and use and other things that are bad.
But mostly...Wiki has leaked USA confidential info...but not the confidential info of other countries.
Therefore, the USA is at a disadvantage....
You can dance about it ... but if you think other nations don't have secrets...you are an idiot.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jibbityjabNov 30, 2010
Just in case you didn't see it:
http://digg.com/news/politics/are_julian_assange_and_wikileaks_really_the_bad_guys_here/20101129210140:f1b32855b62d45a8ad91f360c6dc1fc3#20101130043941:e58d6c8d41174b31971ceba166cb1310
calgaryjayNov 30, 2010
And he probably is saving the really nasty ones. Let them cry but they are the ones that are playing games.
bdbrNov 30, 2010
"National Review’s Jonah Goldberg asked, 'Why wasn’t Assange garroted in his hotel room years ago?'"
I'm happy to say I didn't know what "garrote" meant. Who could even ask such a thing?
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
I dunno... the administration who thinks some people are worth killing?
theswashbucklerNov 30, 2010
"Who could even ask such a thing?"
Republicans who talk about the "sanctity of life" but would slit their mother's throat for a 2% tax cut.
bdbrNov 30, 2010
True, Jonah Goldberg is a conservative...
Closed AccountNov 30, 2010
It's not just conservatives talking about Assange. We'll see.
banderwockyNov 30, 2010
By exposing some of the dirty thing the "good guys"of the world are doing? Naw. Cause they're not the good guys. They are like any other government out there.
bdbrNov 30, 2010
It's a shame that nobody reads articles and most just post their pre-judged opinions, because this article was surprisingly even-handed.
I've read several of these "leaks" and none were about "evil" things that countries are doing. Most of it wasn't even secret - it was already known or at least suspected, but not put in writing. Much of it was just opinions or perceptions, not policies. These are things told in confidence, and leaking them is more of a breach of trust than a breach of security.
FTA: "The leaked documents will destabilize our diplomatic efforts and hinder the State Department’s efforts to continue dialogue with our allies"
Many of you think we're better off not knowing what anyone is thinking, unless they're willing to make it public. We'll see how well things work when we're kept in the dark; it's unlikely they'll trust us now.
madtechnologistNov 30, 2010
It's really that piece of s**t PFC's fault. He should be tried and hanged like any other treasonous criminal back before the USA traded our balls in for a bag of tampons.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wizzerkingNov 30, 2010
The only bad guys here are either us for voting for these frauds, or the politicians who have managed to perpetrate this fraud on the american public. Assange and the person who leaked these documents are HEROS,
readmymindNov 30, 2010
The reaction by the intelligence community to the data is almost as troubling as the content. If you don't want to be embarrased, don't say things that might embarrass you. I like Hillary, but the tough talk about going after Assange doesn't fly. Assange is merely a conduit. If there is guilt to be had, it is with the originator of the information. Going after the medium, even if justified from a legal standpoint, is only going to make it worse. At some point, culturally and internationally, the walls we've built between nations and countries, between dark skinned and white, between Muslim and Christian, have got to come down. There is far too much secrecy in the world .
blackmesa108Nov 30, 2010
wikileaks are heros!
nolagrlNov 30, 2010
I'm stunned that the goverment is *finally* getting around to limiting flash drives and CDs in secure areas and around classified.
That degree of willful ignorance is appalling. Ae these the same people who tried to censor a book by buying the hard copies? Which century are they in?
And does anyone else remember the Pentagon Papers?
Keep on releasing documents, Wikileaks. American exceptionalism has been strangled by those who decided government business was not the people's business. Cheney, etc..
skribbleNov 30, 2010
Maybe not the only bad guys in the picture, but to answer your question: "Yes, they are really bad guys."
BTW the hypocrisy around here is tremendous... half the people here saying Wikileaks is some sort of hero are the first ones to condemn Google & Facebook's "nothing online is private anyway" policies. Oh yea the secret s**t people have on Google and Facebook generally don't get people killed.
Diplomacy works in the background in the secret. If there are no secrets there is no effective diplomacy and no effective way to solve international problems short of war or a one world gov't. The leaking diplomatic memo's is in now way heroic, just stupid.
hess385Nov 30, 2010
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jackson01pNov 30, 2010
It doesn't make any difference from Bush administration until present time.
phydeaux70Nov 30, 2010
That's like saying the pawn shop who knowingly sold stolen items is innocent.
Yes...Assange is an ass and he's a bad guy. Good guys don't live in hiding, raping young girls, and acting like they are innocent.
This guy will get what's coming to him, and I will love every minute of it.