huffingtonpost.com — "We need to let President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, (audience boos) and my dear friend the chairman of the Democrat National Committee, we need to let them know that Florida ain't on the table," West said. "Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America."
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hallspaceJan 29, 2012
Requesting that all those that oppose your view leave the country disregards the importance of political discourse and is the most un-American thing I've ever heard. This is not how the majority of Americans go about their day-to-day business, simply saying, "Get the hell out!" to anyone who disagrees with them; the rest of us have to act like adults and try to work with people.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
I know what you mean.
Telling conservatives they're welcome to come along, but they're going to have to ride in the back of the car is nowhere near as offensive as this comment.
Huh?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
The problem, as I see, is not that conservatives won't ride in the back of the car. It's that conservatives believe they should *always* be behind the wheel. They're always calling "shotgun" --even after they have had their license revoked for DUI and even after Americans have made it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that they disapprove of their extremely reckless driving. Right wingers want their agenda front and center when they "win" by a sliver (as was the case in 2000) and they want "their America back" after they lose by a landslide (as they did in '08). In what bizarro parallel universe should an election that had to be decided by the SC be considered the will of the people and a "mandate" for change (such that you have the right to divert many trillions of dollars to the wealthy and to reconfigure the entire Persian Gulf region) but when Obama wins by many, many, millions--- that means it's time for a revolution? Seriously, what planet were some right wingers raised on where they learned they *always* get what they want (win or lose at the ballot box)?
Most Americans do not agree with tea party radicals like Allen West. That's not something I'm making up and I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying that all anyone needs to do is consider the tea party's image in America right now. Those views are radical and they are not shared by the vast majority of Americans.
mlw4428Jan 30, 2012
"Seriously, what planet were some right wingers raised on where they learned they *always* get what they want (win or lose at the ballot box)?"
You forget that the biggest supporters of the right wing nutcases just happen to believe that corporations are people...that elections should be able to be bought and paid for. Voting isn't something they want to do, they want America to be the country where you can BUY your "elected" officials. Once you understand that you understand most of the stupid s**t they try and get away with.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
I think you're misrepresenting ring wing nutcases. When Obama backed out of public financing because he realized he could garner far more campaign dollars if he did not, conservatives were quite unhappy, because McCain could not compete monetarily.
So it is not universally true that they want to buy elections. If they can't afford to buy, they will decry the money made by opponents and promote some other method that they believe will allow them to win elections.
They are a party of expediency and hypocrisy.
monvalleyJan 30, 2012
I see you still haven't found a job. You have too much time on your hands.
Closed AccountJan 30, 2012
Sooo...basically ya got *zilch* (again). ;-P
monvalleyJan 29, 2012
But you hate everyone here that disagrees with you. Wouldn't it be better for liberals to leave rather than stay here with all that hatred?
particleman420Jan 29, 2012
why? liberals arent a 15% minority in the country. it's the teabaggy conservatives that should be going if they dont like how things are going
rastas11Jan 29, 2012
Agreed, it's a big problem. http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/56494/
kareemachanJan 29, 2012
http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/08/liberal-vs-conservative-does-the-difference-lie-in-the-brain/
leonard2Jan 30, 2012
At the end of your article it states that the teories expressed here are at best guesses. In other words your article is BS.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
Good thing for conservatives that the sample size for http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/08/liberal-vs-conservative-does-the-difference-lie-in-the-brain/ was relatively small.
withearsJan 30, 2012
Using WorldNetDaily as a scientific "source." That's awesome.
Didn't NewsMax have a big study available?
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Or Politicusa?
withearsJan 30, 2012
Is Politicusa birther crazy too?
GentlemanGhost542Jan 30, 2012
lol @ Chuppacabra.
Since when did Political USA become a low as WND
who has capitalized on conspiracy theories on a very regular basis.
Sorry, but WND is on a higher level of nuttiness
Closed AccountJan 30, 2012
This is what happens when people are trained from a young age to trust *only* a select few media sources they can be sure will reflect what they've already decided is true, regardless of any compelling evidence to the contrary. Many right wingers believe if they simply cite a source (no matter how obscure or sketchy) that contradicts the other person's POV, this is some definitive proof or game changer that automatically declares them the victor.
Herman Cain is supposedly ironclad proof they don't have a racism problem. Some ambiguous emails that were hacked and leaked are ironclad proof that climate change is hoax, scientists are in on it, and they've won. Case closed. They do this all the time and it's kind of creepy in a way.
yurmutha412Jan 30, 2012
What a great article, thanks. I knew it was just a matter of time till liberals were shown to be mentally ill.
"Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government."
Someone finally came out and said it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJan 31, 2012
Ok...so I guess if Shakesepeare were to write a book of dumb blonde jokes, that would automatically be of the same literary caliber as MacBeth to you, huh? You only like the guy because he says what you and your fellow trolls say here daily. You just use much smaller words. What actual psychological science is there behind any of it?
yurmutha412Jan 31, 2012
"What actual psychological science is there behind any of it?"
Don't know, but it's funny. I'm not sure psychology can be called a science.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
He must be the fifth psychiatrist. The other four think HE's the mentally ill one.
stabsteerJan 29, 2012
Could not agree more. Can't all the inbred, ignorant white trash idiots all move to Texas and secede once and for all?
God that would be amazing. Can you imagine all the great things we could accomplish for the country other than killing people and creating enemies? We could build schools instead of prisons, invest in America, instead of other counties, like the Republican-run companies selling us out do every day.
We could move into a forward thinking future instead of a backwards past. Please for the love of god, which I don't really believe in and they just pretend to do, secede teabaggers, secede!
cbmilne33Jan 29, 2012
Good idea if a Teabagger ruled Texas left the USA which I hope would just transfer it to Mexico which would deal to them.Anyway the the capital of Texas main claim to fame is that it assassinated John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
mlw4428Jan 30, 2012
That and they couldn't hold the Alamo.
BluntzworthJan 30, 2012
How about the fact that Texas seceded from it's governing government/nation, not once but twice over the issue of Slavery.
Texas seceded from Mexico when Mexico abolished slavery in 1829.
What is weird about the history of Texas is that is was a Mexican territory that had an influx of White imigrants from Mississippi and Alabama that moved west to gain their own land and brought slavery with them.
Facts are stranger then fiction.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
@Bluntzworth,
Yes, but you're just reinforcing the conservative notion that WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS!
And can't Texas just be happy for killing a Dem president?
/s
leonard2Jan 30, 2012
" Can't all the inbred, ignorant white trash idiots all move to Texas and secede once and for all?"
That's not going to happen. Texans wouldn't put up with you libtards moving in large numbers and would run you fleabagging hippie inbreds off.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stabsteerJan 30, 2012
Not sure what you mean. Your stastement doesn't make sense
I want the idiot conservatives to go to Texas. I guess they can Florida too since that state is overrun with white trash idiots as well.
leonard2Jan 30, 2012
" Can't all the inbred, ignorant white trash idiots all move to Texas and secede once and for all?"
That's not going to happen. Texans wouldn't put up with you libtards moving in in large numbers and would run you fleabagging hippie inbreds off.
Sorry...Corrected.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
yea, run 'em off like they did the Mexicans who OWNED Texas! If that's not the pinnacle of freeloading, I don't know what is.
Remember the Alamo! and their anchor babies!
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Thats a great idea -
Except once we all leave for Texas, there's nobody left for you to tax.
stabsteerJan 30, 2012
What makes you think you won't be paying taxes?
How exactly are you planning on having roads for all the pick'em up trucks?
I know they'll just get rid of edumacation altogether since that's useless.
You think they'll still want to get rid of all the immigrants? Who will build the crappy apartment housing in the new Houston suburbs or the 'Liberal-like' Starbucks at the new mall?
Maybe ya'll can just make it like the good ole' days and use the mexicans as slaves to build your old west towns. You can have shoot outs and drag abortion doctors around behind your horses, sorry Hummers.
What fun you'll all have, until you realize you're all completely owned by the very corporations you defend. The rich own your asses! Then it'll be "get back to work" and you'll need to clock in at the local WalMart. Oh good times for all!
stabsteerJan 30, 2012
That's the other thing that's so funny about Republican supporters.
Why in the world do you think the GOP is gonna cut your taxes? Where did they ever say they will cut taxes for the middle class and or poor?
THEY DON'T GIVE A s**t ABOUT YOU!
Don't you think it's funny that the very same people who created the BIGGEST government ever (Republicans under Bush), and created the BIGGEST deficit ever (Republicans) NOW suddenly want to make cuts?
NOW? After all this they want to balance the budget and get things under control? And all while bailing out the banks, the very same filthy rich douchebags who screwed the country and giving tax breaks for a decade to the wealthiest Americans. If you believe this you are a freaking fool.
The only thing they want to cut is anything that helps the middle class or poor and makes YOU, as always, pay for their mistakes and their profits. Period.
The fact that Republican supporters think the Repubs are gonna suddenly make all these great tax cuts for them and balance the budget and create a smaller government is an F'ing joke.
That's the whole Ron Paul thing I can't understand.
Even thought I actually agree with many of his thoughts (and disagree with many others) there's no way in hell the GOP would ever actually let him do any of the things he talks about. That would go against everything they stand for.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@stabsteer
Awful lotta jaw-jacking for someone who has nothing to say.
clanksterJan 30, 2012
Except for Folks like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergey Brin and Larry Page... you know, the people who actually make things.
It's no coincidence that Silicon Valley, the last bastion of true innovation in our country, is also a hotbed of progressive politics.
delphium226Jan 30, 2012
'Except once we all leave for Texas, there's nobody left for you to tax'
If you had said 'Except once we all leave for Texas, there'd be no more self-entitled dumbasses left sucking at the teat of the blue states' you'd be factually correct.
"Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed"
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@allyousuckas
Thats right fellas.
We're all just a bunch of poor, uneducated hicks sucking the life out of all you well bred, well heeled liberals who pay for all the good this Nation has ever achieved.
And that's been accomplished with innovation crushing tax policies, the exponential growth of government and regulation, and the implementation of socialist policies across the land.
Now let me tell you about this bridge I have for sale...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
delphium226Jan 30, 2012
@Chuppacabra
I see a lot of words, but no refutation of the fact that red states take more than they give from the public purse. Yet somehow they then have the balls/stupidity to moan about 'socialist wealth re-distribution'.
Recently, you wingnuts have grabbed onto this blatantly false narrative that liberals want to tax the f**k out of everybody. BULLs**t. Again, let's have a look at some actual facts and take a look at your Lord Reagans record in this area.
For seven of Reagan’s eight years in office, the top tax rate was higher than the current 35 percent. In six of those years, it was 50 percent or more. And every year that Regan was in office, the bottom tax bracket was higher than the current ten percent.
http://ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html
Face it - if one looks at the actual evidence, conservatives want to be given other peoples money, but not admit it. They also want everything for free - 'boohoo we have to pay taxes!'. Well, f**k off to Somalia if you want to live tax-free.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
@delphum226
Now tell the rest of the story you freaking revisionist Liberal.
Reagan's tax rates may have been higher than they are today, but they were a LONG SITE smaller than they were when he took over.
With the programs enacted by Obama and his LIBERAL CRONIES, there are only two possible outcomes - TAX THE CAT PISS OUT OF EVERYONE, or start CRANKING THE PRINTING PRESSES UP TO FULL STEAM thereby creating an enormous inflationary cycle....which by the way amounts to the same thing as far as a consumer is concerned - a whole lot less discretionary income sitting in your pocket.
You might be able to trick these no common sense, no life experience 20 year olds on this stupid assed site, but you don't fool anyone who has taken econ 101.
Me go to Somalia? Not in your lifetime ass wad. I fought for this Country. I have 10 times the right to be here as s**t suckers like you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
delphium226Jan 31, 2012
@Chuppa
'Reagan's tax rates may have been higher than they are today'
Yes. that's the point. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Not really sure how a point I made, that you agreed with, is 'revisionist' but I guess you have to be a wingnut to get it. Whether the trend was up or down, the point is - we've never had it so good. So your whining about taxes sounds a little ridiculous.
'With the programs enacted by Obama'
So a pointless trillion dollar war in Iraq is ok with you? But investing inwardly in the US and it's citizens isn't? That says a lot about who you are and what moral values you have. Or did I get it wrong? You were against the invasion of Iraq?
A lot of what Obama's policies have been to clean up the big steaming turd left on the floor after the last conservative administration, who along with leaving us in this mess, grew the size of government at record rates...
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/news_detail.asp?newsID=31
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108066,00.html
(oh noes! more 'facts' that you can't refute!)
ps. I served in the forces too. Somehow I don't think that makes me special in anyway.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
but they'll be more of you to execute! Stay Classy, Texas!
ChuppacabraFeb 3, 2012
@delphium226
Because you were being intellectually dishonest.
The tax rates under Carter were off the charts, and Reagan slashed them. You know this, but you present your information as though Reagan was a big tax kinda guy. He wasn't.
Stop misrepresenting the truth.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
delphium226Feb 3, 2012
Sorry, you're the one being disingenuous and intellectually bankrupt.
You pay less in taxes now than you did under Reagan, yet you complain that it's not good enough.
Obama's had to clean up a recession that started under a conservative administration, yet you complain that's it not good enough. You want steep cutbacks during a recession? That's what the UK has done. Now they're in a second recession.
Bush expanded the government at record rates, no one said anything, then Obama comes in and gets labelled with being 'big government' and suddenly it's not good enough.
The only rational explanation is that conservatives: -
1. don't practice what they preach. Fiscal conservatism? Where? When? DOn't make me laugh.
2. value party over country. The proof? It's ok if a conservative f**ks up, you don't say anything. But a liberal get's into power, you start blaming them for exactly the kinds of things that conservatives have been doing all along.
sbuckley00Jan 30, 2012
You made me cry. Not just because it is true but because we will always have these people of low intellect who want to go back wards and not forwards. I am not singling anyone group out here either we have people like that in all political groups. so sad :-(
soporifikxJan 30, 2012
As a Texas resident: There are many more liberals in Texas than you think. The state government under Tom DeLay did a number of things to make it almost impossible for a Democrat to get elected regardless of the majority's wishes. Furthermore, the percentage of imbecilic teabaggers is just as high in California and New York State as in Texas and Florida.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
But liberals want to protect the planet while you people want to plunder it and treat it like a giant toilet. I don't think polluting the planet for profit was the spirit behind "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
Protecting the planet for everything else besides people kinda misses the point, don't you think? You can take a movement too far, no matter how well meaning it is.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJan 30, 2012
"Protecting the planet for everything else besides people kinda misses the point, don't you think?"
--No. I think polluting the planet in the name of job creation misses the point. I also think that having people work in dangerous environments at crappy jobs for crappy wages and no benefits, at some point comes back to bite the tax payer in the ass. That's why, for example, we have red staters sucking up a disproportionate amount of our social services dollars.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
slippery slope fallacy: If we let tree-huggers save just ONE tree from loggers, what's next?! Soon they will never let us cut down ANY trees! We must stop them now!
Tell me, what would you tell the environmentalist who said "it's probably a bad idea to let an Oil company build an offshore well a mile above the sea floor, particularly when the record of safety inspection and oversight of such rigs could lead to a major accident."?
"You worry too much." Is that what you would have said?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ferretmanJan 31, 2012
@Anti - That's an interesting generalization for you to make. Based on the evidence I don't really think I'm "plundering the planet" or treating it "like a gigantic toilet".
I'm a hard-core conservative.
I recycle everything that doesn't compost or burn.
I drive a Honda Fit (35mpg) because they're more efficient.
I have a 100% solar-powered, off-the-grid house....not one whit of my home energy production comes from oil/gas/coal.
I log my own trees off my own property and cut them up using an electric chainsaw powered by the above-mentioned solar grid.
I don't grow my own crops yet (that's waiting for some of the above-mentioned tree logging to finish up) but I plan to.
As of my last count (fall, 2011) I've planted 1342 trees around the state and Odin only knows how many flowers, bushes, and various ground-covering plants.
You?
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
An environmentally-conscious conservative? You're not in welcome company, ferret. You're in the company of unwanteds like log-cabin conservatives.
More power to you, though. Question for you, though: Outside of your microcosm, do you support pro-environment policies or drilling in ANWAR? Do you support the tar sands pipeline? Fracking?
Answers to these questions will better determine if your environmentalism is self-interested or genuine concern for the planet.
ferretmanFeb 13, 2012
Actually, most conservatives I know are both more environmentally conscious and *act* upon that mindset than the (relatively few, admittedly) liberals I know.
Regarding ANWAR - Your question is carefully phrased in a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" mode. I FULLY SUPPORT drilling in ANWAR and pretty much any other place it can be done with reasonable safety. There's nothing whatsoever anti-environment per se about drilling for oil, and there's nothing whatsoever pro-environment per se about being *against* drilling.
Keystone - I totally support extract oil from the tar sands and piping it down here to refineries in the US. Any true environmentalist should be in favor of this as well--or do you think it's going to be *less* pollution to have tankers from China off the West Coast chug over here (burning fuel), load up with oil (spilling some just by pure chance over time), and then chugging it back to the other side of the planet (burning more fuel)? FAR better to run it in safe and proven pipelines through the US where we will clean it up if there are any accidents.
Fracking - For the most part I'm in favor, as long as it's deeper than the water table and there's full disclosure of all chemicals used. I'd have energy companies post *substantial* bonds to cover any disasters, which of course would be repaid with interest once they're done and have restored the land to its original (or negotiated different, if appropriate) state.
It's interesting that you presume to decide whether my concerns stem from "self interest" or "genuine concern for the planet", as if they can't be one and the same. In my case they are--you don't get to decide one versus the other, though it's amusing that you think you do.
I might as easily judge that since you *don't* have a solar powered house or if you're in favor of China shipping oil across the Pacific that you're demonstrably anti-environment.
None of this is "either/or". None of it is black-and-white. Life is a spectrum. You and I are the monkeys with the opposable thumbs; we get to deal with it.
greengrocerFeb 2, 2012
I can only speak for myself, but I don't hate everyone who disagrees with me. It's more empathy, because I used to be conservative. It was a long road to recovery, but I have to give credit to the removal of blinders--you just have to open your eyes a little wider, friend.
All the stuff you believe, I used to believe. And, sadly, I was happier in my ignorance than I am now, but I also feel I'm a more whole person for seeing more of the whole picture.
i wish you luck in your journey!
sbuckley00Jan 30, 2012
conservatives are people? **shrugs** huh, who knew? ;-)
soporifikxJan 30, 2012
It's certainly easier to tell your opposition to get the hell out than to have to actually defend your indefensible positions to them.
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
No doubt about that. But if you libs actually made good on your promises to 'leave the country' if Bush was re-elected, this would be a more harmonious place indeed!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
particleman420Jan 30, 2012
i dont think anyone on digg is Alec Baldwin or Sean Penn, so i'm not sure who you're talking too/about
particleman420Jan 31, 2012
2 buries.
maybe they are both digg users!
Hi Alec! i liked you in beetlejuice!
hi sean, i've never really liked any of your movies and i think you're a dick!
Closed AccountJan 30, 2012
Or... you and Gingrich and Perry, and your ilk can all go find some other place in the solar system to colonize and plunder just to turn a buck. I recommend someplace where you can build your country from the ground up yourselves. Killing people, kicking them off their land for some trinkets, and then bringing illegal...excuse me, relying on slave labor --like we did the first time-- still leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths. Besides, you'll feel better doing it all on your own--you know, without the big bad government there to interfere. ;-P
ralphdraw3Jan 31, 2012
Call Allen West:
Washington, D.C. Office:
1708 Longworth House Office Building,
District of Columbia 20515-0922
Phone: (202) 225-3026
Fax: (202) 225-8398
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
"Economic dependency," huh? You mean like in the majority of red states in the US?
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4933/2987025203fc2c517522o74.jpg
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Yeah. Take for example that Blue state, California. Now there's a shining example of what sound, liberal economic policies can achieve!
countess666Jan 29, 2012
if they could stop supporting the red states through federal taxes they could increase their state taxes by 20% without raising the tax burden and have the budget fixed.
btw, wasn't there a republican running the show there for the last decade or so? some movie guy...
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Sure.
And he gets everything he wants from the Uber Liberal courts and Congress there.
Is it too much to ask you guys to be genuine just 10% of the time?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
countess666Jan 29, 2012
"Is it too much to ask you guys to be genuine just 10% of the time?"
as soon as you reach 1%.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Well, I've yet to see you post a single comment where you find anything wrong with what a liberal has said or do9ne, but you're damn quick to the trigger when it comes to a conservative POV.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kareemachanJan 29, 2012
@chuppy: And I have yet to see you post a single comment with any content to it. Why don't you show us how it's done?
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@kareenachan
I already have, and recently too.
You must have been one of the ones who auto-Digg me down without reading the comment.
theredwhynoJan 29, 2012
See, there's your problem. It's never "Yeah, the Republican we put in office failed to deliver," it's always "Bu-bu-but it wasn't our guy; it was the courts, or the environmentalists, or the legislature, or the unions..." and so on. As much as the Republican Party prides itself on being "the party of personal and fiscal responsibility," i sure wish you gave that more than just lip service.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
And the reason your Boy, with the entire Federal Government locked up couldn't get s**t done?
Oh let me gusee, super-majorities everywhere just wasn't enough power, was it?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
theredwhynoJan 30, 2012
Not my Boy, Chupa, and far be it from me to shill for him, either. If you're talking about who i think you're talking about, i'm not a fan.
Regardless, for the last several decades, Republicans have advocated 'starving the beast,' to forcibly shrink government by depriving it of funding, usually by cutting taxes for the rich and increasing spending, i.e. defense. The tax cuts obviously appeal to the people getting them, and provide incentive for those people to vote for and donate to Republicans, while at the same time sabotaging the budget and the economy so that, by the time these actions take effect, it's the next person's problem. It's a game of economic 'hot potato'; each party trying to set the other up for failure, at the expense of all of us.
particleman420Jan 30, 2012
i like how he turned the phrase "your boy" into the racist form of Boy by capitalizing it.
countess666Jan 30, 2012
"Oh let me gusee, super-majorities everywhere just wasn't enough power, was it?"
the super-majority they had for a grand total of 6 months you mean... (their first since 1959 BTW)
they passed healthcare reform with that majority.
which was a pretty big deal.
want to look at the mount of filibusterers during the period before and after that brief super-majority? and compare it to other periods in time?
its not happy reading if you think republicans are blameless for causing gridlock.
the republican tactics were just so extremely transparent.
make sure the president can't get anything done, then blame him for not getting anything done, hoping to get votes.
I'm not sure what they think the democrats are going to do when they get those votes.... I'm not sure they thought its through very well... but considering it was thought up by newt, that's not very surprising.
aikomikoJan 30, 2012
Dude, don't argue with the goat sucker. He is a professional troll. Did you ever notice how he and others seem to be on Digg 24 hrs? If you could just ignore users on Digg he Dickferkel and the rest would be consigned to a small lonely server.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Well s**t, Bro - we can fix that problem easy peasy!
We'll just call him Emperor Obama and then he won't have to worry about all those silly Repugs.
Finally! We'll have clean water, zero corruption, free everything for everybody, and I'm sure our life expectancy will jump up at least 15 years.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
countess666Jan 30, 2012
"We'll just call him Emperor Obama and then he won't have to worry about all those silly Repugs."
yes because that is exactly what i was getting at.
because one side can't stand to see the other side get anything done that might help the country we should do away with the whole democracy thing.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Ah - the truth finally comes out.
Well at least you're being honest.
BluntzworthJan 30, 2012
Yeah an actor. They love to claim how Obama is a celebrity, yet they constantly elect actual actors, Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Fred Thompson.
johnnickJan 29, 2012
Actually, the problem with California's budget is that its people keep demanding services while voting in referendums to freeze or cut taxes.
So, the people in California are victims of their own bipolarity. There are enough people out there who want services that they won't support cuts on that front, but there are enough people who don't want to pay for them that they deny their government the ability to pay for the services being demanded.
So Democrat or Republican governor, the ballot initiatives that have strangled the government are the problem, and neither party has been able to fix it.
cbmilne33Jan 29, 2012
One way to fix that would be for all referendums to seek regular term by term renewal of mandates and for all tax cut demands to state the budget cuts and all spending based demands to include tax increases as mandatory parts of the referendum process.We also should sort out if elections to public offices vs referendums have superior mandates.
miklkitJan 29, 2012
Referendums have a poor track record and should be severely restricted.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
That's a problem that we have as a country. It's just that the ones who are screaming the loudest for austerity (regardless of its negative impact on the economy) want everyone else to do all the sacrificing.
miklkitJan 29, 2012
Yeah, our deficit under a republicon governor was $26 billion.
Now it might go as high as $13 billion under a Democrat governor.
Compare that to oil rich Texas and their republicon governor and his $27 billion dollar deficit.
Also, if you had clicked on that link in salbatross's post you would see that California pays far more into the federal government than it receives back.
In other words, Democratic California more than pays its own way.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
And is bankrupt.
pdemmertJan 30, 2012
...you really dont get it? truthfully?
"California pays far more into the federal government than it receives back."
i quote you from earlier
"You must have been one of the ones who auto-Digg me down without reading the comment."
did you read his damn comment? s**t.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Don't jump into the middle of something when you don't have a clue what the adults are discussing.
He said CA pays more into the system than it gets back (debatable).
I said California is bankrupt (non debatable)
End of discussion.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
miklkitJan 30, 2012
you should take your own advice and stay out of conversations with adults.
You are just plain wrong on both of your opinions.
California's deficit is half of Texas's deficit.
It bounced from a low of $5 billion up to maybe $13 billion this month while Texas has a Texas sized deficit of $27 -$34 billion. How is all that oil money helping you out?
California pays way more to the federal government than it gets back. In fact California gets $0.78 cents back for each dollar contributed.
http://blog.infographicworld.com/2010/10/18/red-vs-blue-state/
pdemmertJan 30, 2012
I usually don't say this because I value many opinions, but you just need to stfu. seriously, it is something you NEED; like food and water. now, as you are a troll I understand this language that i use will itself only feed you. but seriously. stfu and listen, do some research, open your eyes, do anything that allows you to accept the f**king reality in front of your being before you speak; and listen to it. truely listen. I guarantee you wont take this advice, and you wont look before you speak and want to know how i know this? becuase you couldnt even f**king read the comment that you replied to. so stfu.
BluntzworthJan 30, 2012
P.S. stfu.
I couldn't resist.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
Physician, heal thy self.
And kiss my BFA while you're at it.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
Well as usual, your cites and date are open to debate:
http://californiabudgetbites.org/2010/01/19/does-california-get-its-%e2%80%9cfair-share%e2%80%9d-of-federal-funds/
And this is according to one of your Democrat Darlings, Barbara Boxer.
Finding one cite that supports your position is not the end of the discussion.
Game. Set. Match.
Now go home and play with your little friends, Boy.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
miklkitJan 31, 2012
Those numbers are flawed in the same way that the 2005 numbers are flawed. They cover only one year. But what kind of a year was it, and what is the overall trend?
How was the country doing in 2005? The housing bubble was bubbling then and the whole country was doing well,
and the red states still sucked at the government teat.
Your link concerns California only. How were other states doing that year when they were all in the depths of the Great Recession?
Your own link shows that in 2009 California was hit harder than most of the rest of the country with official 24% unemployment in large areas and a lot of TARP money was spent here.
There are also charts in your link that show that overall from 1999 to 2008 California was getting back 70-80% what we were paying in taxes.
Not being able to compare these numbers to other states makes your contention worthless.
Do you know how to read, child?
miklkitJan 31, 2012
I just found a site that has data for every state from 1981 to 2005. It shows California to be a donor state year after year after year.
Overall methinks 2009 was a fluke Child.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html
chelseaelizobethJan 30, 2012
To be honest, I'm tempted every day to leave. My fiance is English, and it would be quite a lot easier to set up a home and a family over there, in a less acrimonious, hateful environment. I want to be a history teacher, and it doesn't really matter where I do that.
But part of me wants to stay anyway. I grew up in a low-income area, and childhood poverty is something I care a lot about. I want to teach in the school I graduated from and give back to the next generation of kids from that destitute corner of Portland. I want to help my community rise above it's circumstances, and show the country what empowered kids can do. I'm tired of people being born in to poverty and dying there sixty years later in what was once the greatest country in the world.
If that makes me a traitor, then so be it. I'd rather leave than put up with this bulls**t from Allen West and his ilk.
soporifikxJan 30, 2012
It's hilarious that you think England is less acrimonious and hateful politically. Have you actually ever been there?
chelseaelizobethJan 30, 2012
Yeah, lived there for several months and follow the politics closely. Despite getting in cat fights in Parliament, it's obvious that the Coalition and Labour both want a country that's worth living in. I believe that British politicians are working for their constituents, and not corporations. Furthermore, I don't believe any party would be willing to sacrifice the good of the nation just to win the next election.
soporifikxJan 30, 2012
I find this an amazing interpretation of British politics, considering that all parties have been ripping the country to shreds in the pursuit of power for decades, to the point where Britain is essentially nonfunctional as a nation.
novenatorJan 30, 2012
England doesn't have right wing domestic terrorism like we have in the US. The fear, anger, and hate coming from conservatives is causing it. At least English cons aren't trying to create a civil war.
soporifikxJan 30, 2012
England has far more domestic right-wing terrorism, going on every day, than the US has ever come close to seeing.
novenatorJan 31, 2012
Are you insane? http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline
Remember that even before the most recent wave of right wing terror, there was another huge wave of conservative christian terror in the US when Clinton was president, and one of those nuts blew up a federal building, killing nearly 200 people.
soporifikxJan 31, 2012
One nut is not a "wave of Christian terror." And there is no "recent wave of right wing terror" that I'm aware of in the US, aside from the terror of having to listen to Rick Santorum speak on TV. However, there's been a decades-long stream of killings and beatings by right-wing gangs in every major city in England. But by all means, post another pointless link. That'll prove me wrong.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
You might want to ask the Irish what they think of that.
JollyMacJan 29, 2012
Republicans are killing the american dream :(
arpadJan 29, 2012
Republicans are killing the American *lefty* dream which is fine by me.
JollyMacJan 29, 2012
No, they are killing the dream of collaboration that transcends political side-picking by making it about "lefty" and "righty" ...
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
You mean like how that same level of collaboration gave us the Clay Compromise? Not all 'collaboration' is good. Sometimes you have to stand (or fall) by your principles. If collaboration is that important to your side YOU step over the line and make a deal. It's that simple.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
markglJan 30, 2012
It's always about left and right.
JustSayNoPartyJan 30, 2012
That is part of the problem and both sides partake. Now, if the American public would not so simply go along. And for me, this leads to all Lose/Lose. Both sides look for the other to 'blink' rather than look for 'common solutions'. if you study this area, you'll realize the 'adversarial system' just won't work.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
Stockman rushes into the ring swinging like a boxer: "If there were such a thing as Chapter 11 for politicians, the Republican push to extend the unaffordable Bush tax cuts would amount to a bankruptcy filing. The nation's public debt ... will soon reach $18 trillion." It screams "out for austerity and sacrifice." But instead, the GOP insists "that the nation's wealthiest taxpayers be spared even a three-percentage-point rate increase."
In the past 40 years Republican ideology has gone from solid principles to hype and slogans. Stockman says: "Republicans used to believe that prosperity depended upon the regular balancing of accounts -- in government, in international trade, on the ledgers of central banks and in the financial affairs of private households and businesses too."
No more. Today there's a "new catechism" that's "little more than money printing and deficit finance, vulgar Keynesianism robed in the ideological vestments of the prosperous classes" making a mockery of GOP ideals. Worse, it has resulted in "serial financial bubbles and Wall Street depredations that have crippled our economy." Yes, GOP ideals backfired, crippling our economy.
Stockman's indictment warns that the Republican party's "new policy doctrines have caused four great deformations of the national economy, and modern Republicans have turned a blind eye to each one:"
Reagan insider: 'GOP destroyed U.S. economy'
Commentary: How: Gold. Tax cuts. Debts. Wars. Fat Cats. Class gap. No fiscal discipline...
http://www.marke****ch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10
usarugulaJan 29, 2012
He's not the first Reaganite to speak out against today's Bircher-esque right wing. You should read Bruce Bartlett's writings.
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
Er... It's kinda hard to take your side seriously when talking about 'fiscal discipline' when our president has spent more in 3 years (4 additional trillion dollars), than in all of Bush's and the economy is in FAR worse shape now.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ammattikiJan 30, 2012
I'm not sure where you get your drugs from, but they must be strong.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html?_r=2
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
Oh? And where is the mention of future spending mandates - you know, the ones about Obamacare 5-10 years from now? Yeah - not on the charts yet, I see...
Good drugs friend, but the best ones are based in truth, not the liberal NY times.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ammattikiJan 30, 2012
The data includes the next 5 years projection. Even if you added Obamacare for the next 10 years, Bush policies will cost way more than Obamas. Your statement is completely false and made up.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
"Africa is a country. In Libya, the Taliban reigns. Muslims are terrorists; most immigrants are criminal; all Occupy protesters are dirty. And women who feel sexually harassed -- well, they shouldn't make such a big deal about it.
Welcome to the wonderful world of the US Republicans. Or rather, to the twisted world of what they call their presidential campaigns. For months now, they've been traipsing around the country with their traveling circus, from one debate to the next, one scandal to another, putting themselves forward for what's still the most powerful job in the world.
As it turns out, there are no limits to how far they will stoop.
It's true that on the road to the White House all sorts of things can happen, and usually do. No campaign can avoid its share of slip-ups, blunders and embarrassments. Yet this time around, it's just not that funny anymore. In fact, it's utterly horrifying.
It's horrifying because these eight so-called, would-be candidates are eagerly ruining not only their own reputations and that of their party, the party of Lincoln lore. Worse: They're ruining the reputation of the United States."
A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
First of all, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims. Fact. Stop distorting the truth on this.
Secondly, I'm enjoying this debate. And personally, I don't give a damn what other countries think of our political system. We certainly don't need to take advice from countries like Iran, Venezuela, Russia or Cuba.
It's time the Republican party was shaken up, and that's exactly what's happening now. The (R's) need to think about re-branding, re-stating what they are really all about. There's not a solid message coming from the candidates because it's unclear who the Republicans really are now.
The Tea Party has certainly left it's mark on the party - for good or for ill - with more of a focus on fiscal responsibility rather than social conservatism. At any rate, I think the GOP convention is certainly going to be interesting.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
I can't believe these Digg-Tards dugg you down for stating such undeniable truths.
starmanjonesJan 29, 2012
its just this simple. working together, pooling resouces, leveling the playing field... made us the best of the best. its powered the knowledge that we can literally do anything.
europeans have emulated us. we have wandered from the true path.
Ouzel7Jan 29, 2012
I can agree that it sounds good to work together...to pool resources ... dunno about leveling the playing field really, because that's touchy ground that could be looked at as stifling some achievement in favor of other achievement ... can you agree that:
"equality of achievement...economic dependency, and enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people"
...are bad ideas that won't pan out?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
Would you agree that as long as the right preoccupies itself with what poor people are getting away with (while pretending that the wealthy are oppressed and automatically deserving of every tax cut they get), no one will ever take even one word of what you wrote above seriously?
Ouzel7Jan 30, 2012
Learn to have a conversation. If people behave like you do ... we're screwed.
starmanjonesJan 30, 2012
let me give you an example.
the recession has hit hard. winter is coming. there is no social safety net. americans living in the north... have no job. they have no food. what do they do. when the recession is over there will be jobs. but they have kids and no heat. what do they do?
you go south. there aren't any jobs but at least you don't freeze to death. millions of people descend on the south. shanty towns have formed and there is no rent. food is hard to get but you do what you have to... you can slip into town at night shop lift, hold up a liquor store. crime increases.
the south has to increase the number of police to protect the people who have jobs. more jails are built to hold the criminals trying to feed their kids.
those kids don't have access to decent education. there is no standard imposed by the federal government. they grow up with at best a mediocre education. even if the recession goes away they are not equipped to function in a technological society. because they lack food their cognitive development is damaged.
violence continues increase as townies resent the taxes they have to pay for less than adequate police protection and the prisons to hold the lower class.
in the north the recession starts to slack and people might be able to get a job... but there is no one to fill them. its a 1000 mile walk for people who live in shanty towns. housing has been abandoned. even if they can get a job where do they live. some people come back but they are migrant because their families are still south. a recovery after the recession is less than it could be because of the labor shortage.
with an adequate social safety net people can live in the north through the winter. people don't need to commit crimes to feed their kids. fewer police and jails to pay for. the south doesn't turn into the place you go so you don't freeze. the south is better off.
kids get an adequate education. they have food to eat and don't suffer from arrested cognitive development.
thats just one thing. conservatives don't seem to be able to anticipate unintended consequences. they can't see that what happens to the least effect everyone. picking apart little pieces of this hurriedly typed example doesn't change the big picture that would look much like this.
Ouzel7Jan 30, 2012
Starman.... I don't think West would be unable to see things the way you described them.
Yes... conservatives can and DO anticipate unintended consequences.
You know he's talking about specifics and not generalities.
For instance ... 5 years ago if you had mentioned that someone was advocating for socialism ... they would have said, "No! It's not socialism you idiot! You don't know what socialism is, you retard!"
Now ... you see people openly advocating for socialism saying, "It's really not that bad... look at Europe."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
aikomikoJan 30, 2012
Wow! They jumped to bury this logic filled post in a hurry. God forbid tea-baggers think about consequences.
seeingthelightJan 30, 2012
What an excellent illustration. Such a good writer.
angelofchaos99Jan 30, 2012
Thank goodness for global warming. It will make sure that people can live in shanty-towns year round, even in most northern states.
/s
starmanjonesFeb 2, 2012
@ouzel7
>5 years ago if you had mentioned that
>someone was advocating for socialism
>... they would have said, "No! It's not
>socialism you idiot! You don't know
>what socialism is, you retard!"
not surprising i suppose... i disagree. most of what conservatives call socialism isn't. things that are arguably socialism are just as arguably not socialism. obama is no where near a socialist.
chelseaelizobethJan 30, 2012
Leveling the playing field isn't about 'stifling achievement', it's about ensuring that everyone has an equal shot at earning their OWN success. Everyone deserves a chance to do that, and I believe that we have a moral obligation to help those people who are starting out even farther below us on the economic ladder.
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
...aaand you do that by taxing the living hell out of the ones actually offering the jobs? Help me out here because just doesn't make sense.
rockcosmosJan 30, 2012
@chordonblue - Sure they are offering jobs. In SE Asia, China, Malaysia, Nigeria, Pakistan, and any island sweatshop they can find,.
Try paying attention
angelofchaos99Jan 30, 2012
It's about making sure that workers get more access to the fruits of their OWN labor...
Rather than having all their rewards for hard work redistributed to the top of the pyramid.
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
So essentially what you are both suggesting is that things should be re-distributed? You know, like Communism?
I see you complaining a lot, but I'm not seeing any actual solutions that aren't:
"Waaahh.. I'm not a millioniare - it's mine, it's ALL of ours - give it to me/us!"
I wish you could see how dangerous this kind of thinking is to a free country... :/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
starmanjonesFeb 2, 2012
@chordonblue
>So essentially what you are both suggesting
>is that things should be re-distributed?
>You know, like Communism?
NO! thats the pat answer of every conservative. you might as well say "if you disagree with me you are a communist."
what we mean is that every kid should get enough food to support proper physical development and they should have an education that will allow them to compete with anyone... even kids whose parents are rich.
we believe that in a technological society that people should be able to obtain medical treatment for whatever ails them.
not only are these positions ethical and opposing them unethical... we are a better society when everyone can contribute good ideas but it makes money... it generates wealth as a whole. when people get proper health care it costs less than trips to the ER.
its common sense. dismissing it as communism or socialism is simply a non sequitur because it offers no solution and no real opinion on the subject. .
frumblerJan 29, 2012
Have you no sense of history? The lefty "dream" has been overwhelming the right for the last 40 years...... you are now beginning to witness the endgame, our right will more closely resemble Europe's as time goes on.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stabsteerJan 30, 2012
It seems our right has gone off the deep end.
I have friends in Canada who think Obama is a conservative. And I agree for the most part.
We need to come WAY LEFT to get back into normalcy. As it is now the ignorant right wingers are living in crazyland.
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
Ahahahaha! You know, the funny thing is, if JFK were alive today you'd call him a fiscal conservative and a right-wing nutjob. Look at his policies. As much as the Left lionizes him, they would be APPALLED at his policies today. Funny what time does, huh?
The Left is always moving the goalposts and at the same time tries to B.S. everyone into believing everything's shifted to the right. No my friends, things have definitely shifted Left. If the Left is upset it's simply because the Right has finally found it's feet and decided to put the brakes on their fiscal express train to hell.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stabsteerJan 30, 2012
Just shows how far into crazy world we've come. We need to move WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY further left to get back to reality.
chordonblueJan 31, 2012
@stab: I think you'll find the human beings don't change a bit no matter how far you go back in history. Circumstance may change, but people NEVER change.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
starmanjonesFeb 2, 2012
historically and functionally obama is a conservative. barry goldwater was a liberal under your definition.
you want to know why conservatives are dismissed as lower mentality this is it. you have created your own reality outside of actually reality and you refuse to participate in normal dialog. you have constructed an entirely fabricated terminology that only you understand. you make yourselfs out as elitist because nobody understands and what is understandable is patently crazy.
all of canada and the majority of the u.s. isn't wrong you are!
FPSmotoJan 29, 2012
*except for Ron Paul.
JollyMacJan 29, 2012
I stand corrected, sir :) Despite being "a little too out there", Dr. Paul is a beacon of sanity in a sea of craziness..
kareemachanJan 29, 2012
Writes a mean newsletter too....
CrescentSkies_2Jan 29, 2012
actually Ron Paul's pretty crazy too if you read everything he's saying not just the bullet points. If you take half of what he's saying and send the other half to hell though he's the best candidate the world's ever known...so which half do we throw away :3
FPSmotoJan 29, 2012
Who says I'm just reading the bullet points? I've watched every single Republican debate this election season. I know for a fact that Ron Paul is going to win. The people back him in almost EVERY debate I see him in while the other GOP candidates just say whatever to appease their base. Ron Paul has balls. He isn't afraid to speak his mind and speak THE TRUTH. Although I don't agree on all of his political views, he is really the only person including Obama, who makes sense of most of the problems we are facing today in America.
If you would stop watching MSM controlled television for one second and actually do some research on the man, you'd have a completely different outlook about Ron Paul.
People call Ron Paul crazy, but they never even once mention how Obama has destroyed some of our rights, such as with his signing of the NDAA bill, which allows the Federal Government to detain any US citizen, including you if you are a US citizen, without a trial, without a judge or jury. He's responsible for sending the order to assassinate a US citizen with no trial, no judge or jury in Yemen. He's responsible for continuing to butt f**k this country into massive debt and eventual bankruptcy.
Mitt Romney is basically the same guy as Obama. He is also for a mandated healthcare system. He gets the majority of his political campaign money from big banks like Goldman Sachs and Chase Manhattan. Ron Paul gets the majority of his support from the US military. In fact, Ron Paul has more support from the military than all the other GOP candidates combined! And he has more donations from the military than Obama does, so that has to tell you something.
Newt Gingrich is a piece of s**t. He will say anything to get a vote. If you pay attention to the debates, as Ron Paul quickly gains more support and the other candidates wise up to this fact, they realize they will need his votes in order to hope to beat Obama in the upcoming election. So you start to see Newt agreeing with Ron Paul instead of attacking him in hopes that in the case that Paul does drop out of the race, some of those delegates will go to Newt.
Rick Santorum. Need I say anything about this guy? He clearly has it out for minorities and gays.
The point I'm trying to make is you are being f**king BRAINWASHED. Feel free to think for yourself, but do so with the knowledge that the Mainstream Media is controlled by corporations who have their own political interests in mind. Take everything you hear with a huge grain of salt, trust no one's word unless they can back it up. The fact is that Ron Paul has been consistent in his views for nearly 30 years! You don't get a record like that EVER in the political process.
A vote for anyone other than Ron Paul is a vote for tyranny and you will be helping to further destroy this country.
But don't take my word for it, EDUCATE YOURSELF! GO, NOW, DO SOME f**kING RESEARCH before you spew your ignorant and arrogant comments again.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
It really doesn't matter how much of what you said is true, because you're a total assh**e.
FPSmotoJan 29, 2012
Thank you for the kind words. Have a wonderful day. :)
FrankLuskaJan 29, 2012
Your a bigger Liberal assh**e, like name calling, sounds really childish, the last resort from someone who nothing to argue with, stick your head back in the sand.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rastas11Jan 29, 2012
It can be explained. http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/56494/
kareemachanJan 29, 2012
@rasta - okay, you found a web article (wnd? *Really*?). Here's a bright, shiny penny and a durian-flavored lolly.
rastas11Jan 30, 2012
kareemachan: Thank you. I accept these items in the spirit they are given.
CrescentSkies_2Jan 31, 2012
You see the number of buries you have? This is the number of people who agree you are a fool.
It's obvious you haven't read anything up on anyone or you'd know that Ron Paul is brainwashing "you"
At the very least "I" understand that all of these politicians are morons, including your beloved Ron Paul. But hey, believe what you like, and "educate" yourself as you like. If Paul gets elected and destroys the country, expect a few hundred million "I told you so"s.
vitriolandangstJan 29, 2012
Ron Paul is that fantasy life preserver for people who have abandoned any hope of a non-corrupt Republican gaining office, but who cannot yet abandon their Conservative ideology because they've invested too heavily in it.
Libertarianism is not your friend, and "small government" has always been code for "get the regulators out of the way of our corporation's attempt to ass rape this country."
FPSmotoJan 29, 2012
That's where you are wrong. That just leaves the regulations up to the states. Why on earth would corporations want something different when they've got the Federal Government in their pockets? He's the only candidate who has a shot at beating Obama and the MSM knows this. I believe in a lot of what he has to say. I've never been a Republican or Democrat. I share values from both sides, but one thing I do not stand for is big government trying to tell me how to live my life and how much I need to pay the government to take care of me and 300 million other people in America from cradle to grave. You are under the impression that people are not capable of taking care of themselves if you believe in government welfare.
Personal responsibility is out the window when you give up your freedoms for security and assistance from the government. Yes, some people want or need the government to take care of them, but I'd rather not have my taxes pay for someone else's bulls**t. Call me selfish, but that's the way I see things. People should never be forced to pay any tax, directly or indirectly to a system that is so corrupt and so out of touch with reality.
How the system SHOULD work is every nickel is audited, especially with regards to military spending. How it SHOULD work is every single person should be able to OPT IN to these government run programs, not be forced. Those who pay into it via taxes get the benefits, whatever they may be. Those who decide against paying into it simply don't get those benefits.
Socialism should not exist in this country, but it has for many many years and that's why so many people are dependent on it, or at least think they are.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
asfinktersezwutJan 29, 2012
So, people who don't "opt in" , do they get deported from the cities and barred from using roads, drinking from taps and that sort of thing? Help me out here, because I'm trying to understand exactly how that is supposed to work?
soporifikxJan 30, 2012
People who don't opt in get shot by the Libertarian Freedom Police.
FPSmotoJan 30, 2012
Yeah because our taxes are going to rebuilding roads in the US...... I'll believe that when the Fed is audited. The majority of taxes you pay goes to the military industrial complex.
I'll give you a simple answer to how it's 'supposed' to work. Privatize the DOT and leave the regulating up to the states. I'm fairly certain a one-size fits all rule cannot apply to all 50 states regarding roads.
You make this seem more complex than it really is.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
miklkitJan 30, 2012
LOL! Privatize roads????
Do you know that states like Montana and North Dakota can't even afford to pay for their road signs, much less the roads?
FrankLuskaJan 29, 2012
Do you just like to spew propaganda, or are you really that ..........
kamtsaJan 29, 2012
If the dream is living of food stamp and government freebies than it worth killing.
chilidogsJan 29, 2012
Weak strawman.
vitriolandangstJan 29, 2012
It's like he wasn't even trying.
He probably HAS to throw something up to distract or enrage.... so there are probably 10 comments he's got in rotation.
It was either that or "unions" or "George Soros" -- like Hurricanes, you've got to move on down the list alphabetically until you get back to "A" again. That of course is "Al Gore."
FPSmotoJan 29, 2012
Unions are horrible. Wages are lower than ever and workers get to strike for more money. If you don't like what you are getting paid or don't like how your employer treats you, simply find another job. But with high unemployment rates, what can people do, really? It's not that difficult to find a job. It is difficult however, to feed a family and doing things that are difficult sometimes trump quitting your job and trying to find a new one. It's called personal responsibility and sadly, that's a trait few too people have these days.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kareemachanJan 29, 2012
You've never worked at a union job, have you?
stubearJan 29, 2012
Hey Allen, you're welcome for my service to this country. Oh, and by the way, I'm a progressive liberal.
stubearJan 29, 2012
To those digg "Patriots" digging me down, you're welcome too.
leonard2Jan 29, 2012
Dugg down for DP paranoia.
vitriolandangstJan 29, 2012
We should all be paranoid of Dual Penetration. Leave that for the professionals.
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
Don't try this at home, kids.
particleman420Jan 29, 2012
i like how every time the Digg Propagandists are mentioned at least one of them has to show up and pretend that it's some sort of crazy conspiracy theory that doesnt exist, while at the same time admitting that it exists since every time it's mentioned one of them HAS to show up to try and defend it.
leonard2Jan 29, 2012
Say what???lol
particleman420Jan 30, 2012
yea, like that!
CrescentSkies_2Jan 31, 2012
I dugg you down because you said I was welcome to :D I would've dugg it, but I didn't feel welcome :(
stubearJan 31, 2012
to/too, please learn the difference.
CrescentSkies_2Jan 31, 2012
it's more amusing when I annoy people who get wokred up about tihngs lkie this :3
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Yeah, thanks for the support, REMF.
Oh, and by then way, I was an M1 Tank Commander and I'm a Constitutional Conservative.
johnnickJan 29, 2012
Then thanks for your service, as well, Chupp, and although I may disagree with you on some things, I respect and will support your right to believe and express what you choose.
Although he has every right to say it, for Allen West to say that those who hold a different political view than his should get the hell out of the country seems contrary to the Constitutional ideal.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Probably true.
I'm thinking its an extension of the old, "Lead, Follow, or Get out of the way." axion they used to teach us in the Military.
Not very PC, but highly effective in grounding one's self perception.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
The military works entirely differently from the government, though...as it should.
And to you and stubear both: thank you both for putting your lives on the line so others can be safe.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
No problem.
Please extend that same courtesy to Alan West, and remember he was a soldier much longer than he was an elected representative.
In the Military, they teach you to say exactly whats on your mind, and not dress it up with a lot of flowery crap to make sure no one gets offended.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stubearJan 30, 2012
Allen West disgraced the uniform when he violated the UCMJ. Any respect he might have due or his military service was lost when he illegally detained and brutally beat an Iraqi civilian. He most certainly does NOT deserve his seat in Congress.
kareemachanJan 29, 2012
Also contrary to the oath he swore when becoming a Representative....
particleman420Jan 29, 2012
key word:
was.
grymusJan 30, 2012
"you're welcome for my service to this country"
Didn't ask you to serve & lets be honest here: You are one of the many Sheeple/Cannon fodder that was lucky enough to return.
Stupid enough to sign up? That's your issue.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
I think I'd hold the piss I was saving for an Afghani just so I could use it on you.
What a pathetic loser.
grymusJan 31, 2012
Next time, you should read a persons profile before responding. Like mine for instance:
"But on the bright side... most of you morons are are easy to troll.... fish in a barrel lol "
There is a loser here.. Go take a look in the mirror moron.
Bwaaaaaaaaaahahhaaaaaaaaaaaa
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
Yeah I'm sure you're an absolute savage in RL.
Bet you have all the neighborhood kiddies running scared.
How many times did you retake the 3rd grade again?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
grymusJan 31, 2012
And you are?
Some 5' Nada tank jockey?
My sides are hurting now from the laughing.
And the truly sad thing is, after being told you were being trolled you replied again showing how truly stupid you are.
Anymore?
I can always use a laugh and you are providing them.
0ldb0yJan 29, 2012
independents and undecideds alike are closely watching this year's race... this kind rhetoric and vitriol doesn't really help the GOP cause.
drcrankJan 30, 2012
Where's the part where he says "...and take all of your money, jobs, and economic productivity with you"?
ageofmasteryJan 29, 2012
The right yet again shows its definition of freedom... "You're free to agree with us or else"
phoenixtxJan 29, 2012
LOL! You just don't like the taste of your own medicine.
satori3000Jan 29, 2012
the US is quickly sliding from being the strongest country in the world and when this happens I think you'll start seeing lots of groups spouting fear rhetoric, This sentiment will probably be the kick off point to a fairly massive civil war. Have a read of Orson Scott Cards book Empire... with the likes of Stockman and Palin it's inevitable, it's coming... it might take 10 to 15 years, but it'll happen in my lifetime.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
I'm sure people like Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, et al will have nothing to do with it.
My Party may incite rage within you, but I assure you, my friend, your Party has an equal and opposite effect upon me.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
usarugulaJan 29, 2012
Orson Scott Card is a nutbag in his own right.
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
Which is REALLY unfortunate, because it greatly distracts from enjoying his books.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
"Ender's Game" - great.
"Xenocide" - good.
"Speaker for the Dead" - average.
And all and all, afterwards?
Bad bad bad.
salbatrossJan 30, 2012
Ender's Shadow- at least good.
Maps in a Mirror- great.
Pas****ch- fun, at the very least.
Keeper of Dreams- good so far.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
I will for objectivities sake, check
out "Maps in a Mirror" but only just.
I am a cruel critic; he has little chance
but I like the title already.
alanocuJan 29, 2012
No, honey. Once again, that would be YOU,.
jmaisJan 30, 2012
Or you're free to ignore truth and be a paid shill and go against common sense...
wlpowellJan 29, 2012
This is the exact reason why even IF(I think he will because republicans seem to only be running on the "anyone but Obama/anyone but Romney platform", so they really don't know what they want, but anything is possible) Obama wins a second term and the democrats end up with an actual filibuster proof majority in 2012, we will still see problems. There are people who have convinced themselves to an ideology that Obama and the democrats have/are planning to destroy everything. It also involves this idea that they must disagree with anything and everything Obama does (even if it was an idea THEY came up with. ei: Romney can run a successful campaign trying to smear "Obamacare"... it was HIS idea). They will hold on to those beliefs for their whole life (hence they keep repeating "worse president than Jimmy Carter". It takes forgetting what actually happened during Reagan, Bush 1 and 2 to come to that conclusion). Did anyone see Real Time last friday with Dana Rohrabacher? No matter what the facts were (that were presented to his face over and over again) His view throughout the whole episode was "Obama and the liberals are ruining EVERYTHING! and we need someone, anyone with an "R" next to their name in the whitehouse so everything will fix itself." and when he couldn't prove anything he just started making things up (Like "Obama's trying to gut the military!")
cosmicsurferJan 29, 2012
Because the entire GOP platform is based on:
We can say anything,
We know everyone not us is stupider than we and
When all else fails, blame Obama
wlpowellJan 30, 2012
and dont respond, just thumb down or "agree to disagree" and move on...
jefffurryJan 30, 2012
Yo, Allen! Go Galt already!
How the (&*#($@*&# did that a**hole ever get elected?
k31th3rJan 30, 2012
The sooner people realize that the only purpose labeling people with a title of a certain political group serves is to seperate them in their ideas and beliefs so that they're more easily controlled the sooner we will come together as HUMAN BEINGS realizing we all have to deal with the exact same struggles as every other human living in any other country or belonging to any other political party.
I look forward to that day. In the meantime, if you're associating yourself and your beliefs with a political party and condemning every one else, you need to realize that you're part of the problem and it's time to grow up.
debasisgJan 30, 2012
Too bad, people think Allen West, a brain-dead Neanderthal is too important.
Closed AccountJan 30, 2012
Hint. Taken.
I just googled "How to expat from US" (since "get the hell out of the US" wasn't working for me)
SauntOroloJan 29, 2012
The issue of entitlement spending is simply this, we can't provide tax cuts to the wealthy and continue budgeting our entitlement spending. The nation isn't broke, it just has to choose tax increases for the elite or budget cuts. (Note that Republicans will happily raise taxes on everyone but the elite, and that they have raised taxes on everyone else.) The Presidential R candidates have succumbed to the style of the Fox News Cycle, crafting angry emotional appeals rather than debate the merits of budget cuts in a logical way. Leadership usually involves actually solving problems and yet people campaign for leadership positions by acting like pro-wrestling characters instead of acknowledging difficulties or possibilities.
The people in Red states receive services generally paid for by taxes from Blue states. Red states have more abortions, divorces, and child poverty issues. Majority opinion in Blue states is that its perfectly acceptable to have a safety net and provide a little something. For most Red states, if they seceded from the nation, the rest of the nation would benefit economically, and the state would then slowly become a third world country (as most heavily populated cities are Blue). For a citation of what I'm talking about see this http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4933/2987025203fc2c517522o74.jpg (that Salbatross posted first).
Also - http://www.alternet.org/story/150846/do_red_state_republicans_want_more_divorces,_stds_and_abortions_their_policies_suggest_%22yes%22/?page=2
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/opinion/10douthat.html
So in a nutshell, the bad sinful college educated people don't want your children starving, uneducated, and pregnant and the thought of government assistance programs doesn't worry them so much. Vote republican all you want, but be glad that you are the minority and that there are adults around providing leadership. Oh and the earth is flat and Jesus had a pet velociraptor. Because an America where children are fed and gays can marry clearly needs a witch hunt and a starvation diet. And... just remember this lecture when someone tries to tell you the most important issue facing America isn't poverty, or rule of law, or the economy, but its the 'culture war' about fighting out the differences between you and me.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
OMFG....
I would give *anything* - Literally - to be free from the yoke of you elitist, no common sense, think you know everything because you listened to socialist professors for 4 years, America hating, think a guy with 142 days experience is qualified to run the Nation simply because he's Black and Beautiful Progressive Liberals.
"Buy you books, send you to school, teach you everything we know, but you're still dumb as a chunk of dogs**t"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
SauntOroloJan 29, 2012
You raise some good points.... naw just kidding dawg. "Yeehaw, yay culture war. The South will rise again."
timedalkatJan 29, 2012
I hope to God you just recently watched Full Metal Jacket and that's why you've quoted the movie twice on one page. Because unless it was fresh in your mind, and that's why you invoked them the alternative is that those are the pearls of wisdom that are at the fore of your brilliant mind. I mean, it's a phenomenal flick, but the character you're quoting was meant to be somewhat satirical, not a prophet.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Actually that wasn't a direct quote, I took some poetic license.
But the really funny part was how you knew exactly what movie it was from.
Oh - and one last thing -
Unless you went through Boot Camp / Basic Training during or after the Clinton era (where young Marines were given a blue card to flash at the Drill Sergeant if they were feeling "stressed") then you'd know there was absolutely nothing satirical about Sergeant Ermey's peformance.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
miklkitJan 29, 2012
Lots of good points there. Good job!
timedalkatJan 29, 2012
Lately, whenever I read quotes by Repubs, I hear them in my head in Hulk Hogan's voice and they make more sense.
juliochavezJan 30, 2012
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING BROTHER!!
I agree.
jpurdyJan 30, 2012
You deserve a trophy for that one, sir.
julietgoldmanJan 29, 2012
And people voted for him why? how many stupid people are there in Florida?
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Obviously a whole bunch - they couldn't even figure out how to punch a hole next to the name "Al Gore" if we're to believe you Liberals.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
OUCH!
Sorry Libtards, I guess that one hit a little too close to home.
crymtyphonJan 29, 2012
"libtards"?
That word is the surest touchstone to pure conservative
commentary; surpassing 'demorats', 'Obummer', and
even the exotic 'pinko fascist faery' (which is my
favorite if you want to remember for future use).
As for the 2000 election in Florida being overthrown by
activist judges?
- we liberals are at peace with it.
Maybe late at night we consider how President Gore
would have continued the focus on Al Quaeda that
Bush dropped; and certainly the first Iraq war would
have been the only Iraq war;
- but in the bright Sunday sunshine of 2012 we are
focused more on the future.
If you wish to comment on the foolishness of Democratic voters?
- we need only reply with who Republicans elected
in 2000 and 2004.
Cruel of us; but politics is heck.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
I don't mind if they call me names so much. I just wish they could come up with something clever (or at least something that makes some kind of sense). ;-(
leonard2Jan 30, 2012
Oh lighten up you f**king libtard.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
Lighten up?
We are liberals.
We are light; we are star dust; we are golden
music floating on the air singing songs of sharing
cokes and scattering the soap bubbles of
happiness across the desert scape of conservative
results.
You, of course, are god-damned dull but oh well.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@crymtyphon
I can see you now, dancing and flitting about in your hush puppies.
rastas11Jan 30, 2012
cryptosporine: Put down that pipe right now !
GentlemanGhost542Jan 30, 2012
back to name caling leonard? real mature.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
It's rastas and chuppa!
Taking a break from telling liberals how low
and comical and unpleasant and obsessed
and loser-ish and zomby-ish and obsessed
and hateful and foolish and obsessed they are
- to notice me?
One suggests I toke on an opium pipe
for not replying with auto-idiot obscenity to
auto-idiot obscenity;
- the other pictures me flitting about the air,
as though liberals were moths and conservatives,
were crafty crouching toads.
To which one can only reply:
The internet is words;
and here, we are our words.
That is a compliment to some;
- and horrible damnation to others.
Let him bear it who can.
Write more!
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@crymtyphon
lmao!
Great comeback. I'd buy you a beer - even if you do probably drink that Miller Lite piss water stuff.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
Your friend Mr. West tells me and mine
to get the hell out of his nation; we are unworthy.
It is a kind of you to offer to buy me a beer
before showing me the door!
But I will take a pass, on your offer.
I will also take a pass, on Mr. West's command.
Lol, ha ha, and all that hearty cheerful stuff.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
@crymtyphon
Don't take it personal my friend.
And you may as well accept my offer to buy you a beer. As soon as the Democrats find out I have a spare $1.50 in my pocket, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to tax it away from me.
I'd prefer to spend it in a manner of my choosing.
crymtyphonJan 31, 2012
Gosh, chupa... I, I don't know what to say!
It's like I am in a beer commercial
full of tough-but-stylish interracial buddies
with grinning chicks bringing another round!
Only, your other BFF Allen West says I
have to leave his country.
Is he gonna have a beer with us?
He seems kinda creepy, actualy.
No, you guys go on without me.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Gore turned out to be a quack.
And just how many recounts would have been enough? Let me guess, as many as necessary until they did one that favored Gore.
2000 and 2004? At the very least, we had enough common sense to realize 142 days of experience wasn't enough to know how to run the local Salvation Army outlet store, much less the greatest Nation with the largest economy in the world.
Yes, you Democrats have done a fine job in the last 3 years.
Lets hope the undecided voters give you all the credit you deserve in 2012.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
Turned out to be a quack,?
Why? By agreeing with 95% of the world's
scientists?
Doesn't that make them quacks too?
As for how many recounts were nessesary?
Only as many as it takes to verify who won the election.
And we liberals all pray to a merciful deity,
in whatever form we picture throned Eternity,
- that we recieve better than we deserve.
If you conservatives settle for asking
for your just deserts?
- don't dress warm.
soporifikxJan 30, 2012
"Turned out to be a quack" in the fantasy world of conservative thought -- and I use that last word leaning heavily on the irony.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@crymtyphon
Dude, come on. Those "scientists" were exposed as manipulating data. And a bunch of them were the same guys who told us an ice age was upon us in the 70's. I put them in the same category as the doom and gloom guys who made billions off the Y2K scam.
Well after 5 counts, I'm pretty sure we figured it out.
Don't be afraid! Come right out and say it. The only "deity" you guys pray to is Big Brother. And I'm quite certain that as long as there's even one hard working conservative left within the borders of the US, he'll be making sure to tax the guy into oblivion making sure you get plenty more than you deserve.
Don't try to scare me with threats of hell (which you don't believe in, btw), because you can't scare me. I've survived Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and ObaMessiah. I'd laugh in the Devil's face.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
When I say 95% of scientists,
- I do not refer to 'those' scientists.
I mean 95% of scientists.
As in, all of them.
95% of all Geologists; physicists; oceanologists;
biologists; climatologists; meteorologists;
astrophysicists; paelobiologists; particle physicists casual chemists and exotic genetic engineers.
All the nerdy experts whose terminology
deniers must use when explaining how
the experts are wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
If you thought some stolen emails proved
what all the world observes happening is illusion?
- your opinion of election fraud in Florida
shines in the same dim light.
As for only good stalwart upright conservatives
like you, to believe in any Deity?
You are half-right.
Listening to such as Mr. West, is to be convinced
that they are devout worshipers of a holy
Face that appears each morning in their
bathroom mirros.
A good liberal will always strive to be atheist,
before such shrines.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
@crymtyphon
95%?
I think maybe you should update your figures.
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2012/01/global_warming_skeptics_to_tak.html
And this comes from one of your liberal sites.
As far as what the whole world is observing.....remember that tree on the coast line featured in Gore's film? Wanna know who cut it down and why? It was the environazis because that tree stood as a testament to the fact that ocean levels are not rising to any significant degree.
Last, I would caution you on your arrogance and self importance. It can only lead to bad karma.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 31, 2012
Hi chupa!
I never saw Gore's film; shame about the tree.
But thanks for telling me to check my figures!
The percent of scientists who affirm that global warming
caused by human-produced green-house gasses
is changing the world's climate, has changed from 2010's 95%
It is now at 97%.
As your article notes in part; and as the wiki link I posted,
notes in detail.
Granted, the brave last 3% represent hundreds of scientists, of whom dozens are not even connected to
the Heartland Family Heritage Institute for Petroleum Rights.
When these last remnants meet in coffee-houses seminars like the one you gave a link to?
- get us a picture before they are gone forever!
GentlemanGhost542Jan 30, 2012
"libtards"? seriously?
grow up.
If you want through that word around I suggest you go over to the political fail know as Freerepublic.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
It seems to get the best response out of you guys. Remember when laberling someone "Liberal" (back in the Reahan days) was tantamount to calling him a boot-licking, yellow bellied, pencil neck geek?
You guys all started calling yourselves "Progressives" then.
We just like to use whatever gets the biggest rise out of you guys.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
wow - need to take a typing class. Or at least wear my glasses when I type....
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
You got no rise.
You got a look of bored disgust; and a discussion
among your fellow Americans, as to whether the flaw
you and Mr. West show, is one of mind or spirit.
Perhaps both.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
@crymtyphon
I beg to differ.
We always get a rise out of you guys. You are so full of yourselves, so confident in your supreme self importance, that it drives you crazy when we refuse to bow to your asinine ideas and hypocritical pundits.
Rip out your hair, stomp your feet, and keep telling yourself we don't matter.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 31, 2012
Hi chupa!
I am not sure about the 'rise' you keep refering to.
If you thought 'libtard' threw digg liberals
into anything except fits of yawns,
you just need more time here.
But if the 'rise' is something more organic and
'personal' it is only happening on your side
and we don't know about it.
Granted, we can guess.
vitriolandangstJan 29, 2012
That was another Straw Man argument for election manipulation -- it's like the "hanging chad" argument in Florida 2000; The REPUBLICAN's bussed in to dispute everything were the one's arguing about every bump or intent of punch cards. They added the nonsense and then decried the nonsense as if the process were broken.
Since the media only covered the "show" -- they never investigated the manipulation of the process.
That's why you STILL think that the voting problems were "stupid voters" and not your own parties election fraud.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Now if that isn't one of the greatest spin jobs I've read all day.
chordonblueJan 30, 2012
Whenever someone says, 'strawman', I think: Elitist Poster. What is one man's 'strawman', is another's fact. Simply claiming a 'strawman' victory doesn't actually make you seem smarter or help you win an argument.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
miklkitJan 29, 2012
Actually no. The 2000 election was stolen, but the facts didn't come out until it was too late and we had our first selected President.
The 2000 Florida election was the one where the Diebold machines with no paper trail were first used.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/usa_vote_facts.html?q=usa_vote_facts.html
rjoplingJan 29, 2012
well every bats**t crazy new story seems to come from there, full of nothing but crackheads and retired people as far as i can tell.
cupofkonaJan 29, 2012
Now they come after us (and everybody else)...
laurahoustonJan 29, 2012
This is the same Allen West who was releaved of his command in Iraq?
To many have psychological issues from their years in Iraq. This effects their lives and the way they speak and conduct themself in society. Mr. West seems to see some Americans as 'the enemy' ?
dhusariJan 29, 2012
you really need to research why he was relieved. A true Patriot.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
Let's see, because he tortured an innocent man trying to find information about a non-existent ambush, despite not being trained for interrogations?
That makes him a f**king patriot!?
How dare you, sir. Menacing innocent people in a war zone does not make a person a patriot. Allen West was relieved of his command because of a serious lapse in judgement. Disagree? Talk to his commanding officers who stripped him of his command in an Article 15.
Now he's an angry civilian grade A s**t disturber with a chip on his shoulder.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
You, Sir, are an absolute disgrace.
Pathetic.
usarugulaJan 29, 2012
For what, Chuppacabra? Supporting the United States' Military Code of Conduct?
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Thats one hell of a black and white world you live in...
http://old.nationalreview.com/babbin/babbin200312040845.asp
frumblerJan 29, 2012
Hey Chupp from your'e very own article....
"What Allen West did was wrong"
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@frumbler
It was wrong.
And I'm sure he'd do it again if he had to.
And I would still support him in the decision.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
@frumbler
PS -
I'm really stunned that this was the only thing you took from the account.
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
That link you provided is a 403. I'd be willing to read whatever you posted.
Here's the thing, Chupa. West served his country, and by most measures he did a pretty good job at it. Battalion Commander is very impressive. However, he was censured for his actions and he lost his command over it. That should lead HIM to realize some things about the way the world works.
Yet he incessantly trolls the media and makes spurious and deeply emotional statements about our country and our government that exacerbate partisanship and fuel discord. HE is the one that lives in a black and white world, sir.
And to drape oneself in the flag and extol one's military service does not elevate anyone's professed opinions where common sense and rational thought are concerned.
His words are reactionary and amount to mindless taunting. I ask you, sir - what purpose does it serve? It is nihilism, I say, and it has no place in a working government or a civil society - especially coming from a government official. This guy's salary (and benefits package which he kept when he left the Army) are paid for by citizens, and he thinks he can dismiss them.
That is the disgrace in this matter, sir. The Oath still holds - to defend the Constitution of the United States of America and the Nation which it engendered. Not some imaginary nation where everyone agrees with you and supports your narrow agenda.
asfinktersezwutJan 29, 2012
Well said.
/done.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
I can only echo the above.
Well said.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
What about that part of his oath which demanded he defend America from her enemies, both Foreign and Domestic?
Did the Communist Russians just have a simple difference of opinion with us?
Do the ChiComs?
Does Al Queda?
What about "Americans" who are intentionally and ambitiously working to subvert the moral fabric of this Nation, to wreck her financially, to leave her military in shambles so she can no longer protect her citizens much less project her power?
You would have our children learning to use condoms at the age of 14. You would create an entitlement nation and create so much debt there is no possibility of achieving a sound economy again. Even as we speak, your politicians are busy dismantling what was once undeniably the most fearsome military in the world.
No, my friend, there was much more to that oath than the parts you are cherry picking from.
And just because some PC General decided to make an example out of a true American Hero does not mean the rest of us will be swayed in our opinions of the man.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kareemachanJan 30, 2012
Oh come on, chuppy. At least TRY to make some kind of argument for him. Name-calling is so preschoolesque.
leonard2Jan 30, 2012
He didn't call anyone a name. Your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff is it?
davidnivenJan 29, 2012
Where have you been, honey? This nation is full of liberal wackos who view everyone else as "the enemy".
steve13665Jan 29, 2012
You're projecting again, Niven.
anomaly100Jan 29, 2012
Niven, Alanocu, same difference.
Ouzel7Jan 29, 2012
I think alan should name himself alan 3 of 8 ... oh wait ... that's not clever at all.
leonard2Jan 29, 2012
No he's 100% accurate. For proof you don't have to go any further than digg. anomaly comes to mind right off.
kareemachanJan 30, 2012
chuppacabra
davidniven
FPSmoto
FrankLuska
leonard2
ghostofdiggpast
Yup, all icons of intelligent, logical thinking and discussion.
not
leonard2Jan 30, 2012
And all more intelligent and better than you in every way.
Idiot. =))
vitriolandangstJan 29, 2012
I though we were the ones who thought Bin Laden was a CIA operative, and the whole "we are under attack" was a PR stunt by the military and oil companies?
Seriously, I don't think I KNOW a Liberal who isn't more worried about an out of control security state than some foreign menace.... how can even this Niven moron not get that it's only conservatives who worry about an "enemy?"
SauntOroloJan 29, 2012
Yeah, you sure do seem oppressed. Those militant fascist liberals sure are mean. Glenn Beck. Reagonomics. Supply side theory. Poor fragile victims fighting the good fight. Who will save the white male christian oligarchy so it can save the rest of us? Who will be the next GWBush in our country's hour of need (when the economy is starting to improve and get uppity)?
I am so thankful that Santorum is here.
rastas11Jan 29, 2012
This helps explain their malady. http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/56494/
Closed AccountJan 29, 2012
If you're going to allow articles and youtube videos speak and think for you, could you at least provide a quote once in a while?
kareemachanJan 30, 2012
So why is it always a TP/NOPer who comes up with things like this? Can you find an example proving me wrong?
I'm waiting....
JustSayNoPartyJan 30, 2012
You bunch of America Hating, Libtard Loving, country-music disavowing, hippie fools. I got mine, now you go get yours. Bunch o' Lazy drug abusers.
FTA: "Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else."
For many of the more 'programmed crowd', I believe this is their true beliefs regarding the Left. You listen enough to Party Leaders like West prodded on by FOX, Talk Radio, etc, and it's not surprising anyone 'to the left' is somehow UN-American because they don't think like we do. The problem with applying such great generalities is that it largely misses the truth. The 'left' is not looking for these things, Mr. West. Please, someone on the left tell us they want the things mentioned by West. I believe the goal would more closely be 'equality of opportunity', some 'social safety net' instead of a completely Darwinist society, and less propping up of Massive corporations. Then again, I could be wrong.
What is 'UN-American' is to look to 'deport' anyone that doesn't think like 'me.'
slowpitchJan 31, 2012
I can just picture you on that safety net kickin off " equality of opportunity" libs like a Saigon helicopter lift. When you figure out there are not enough rich to pay for 4 billion poor, I'll bet you will be lacing up the boots to get a better grip on the rich net cause words just don't cut it.
KwakasJan 29, 2012
Florida couldn't exist without the liberals. The south couldn't live without the liberals. Idiots!
indurenJan 29, 2012
Right back at you buddy. Arrogant prick.
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
So I wonder if this rises to the same level as "booing a gay service member"
ChuppacabraJan 29, 2012
Of course not.
Booing a servicemember is only abhorent if he's openly gay.
If he's a Conservative, feel free to spit in his face.
Can you people be any more hypocritical?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
The thing is, serving in the armed forces doesn't exempt you from ever being booed the rest of your life. It's just disgraceful to boo a service member when THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
That's a MATTER OF OPINION.
salbatrossJan 30, 2012
It's a matter of opinion that that soldier, about whom the audience knew nothing but that he was gay, had done nothing wrong? What did those folks know that no one else knew?
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
I know this is going to come as one hell of a shock to you, but some of us do not think homosexuality is perfectly normal, we do not support the gay agenda, we do not want to see openly gay people serving in the military, and we don't care about all the cobbled together stats and polls that would seem to support all this.
And don't try to demonize me.
I'm not at war with gays, I don't hate them, I don't think they should be purged, or hung or anything else.
I don't want them serving in the military. And if you've never humped a ruck, or put steel on target, you'll never understand why.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
salbatrossJan 30, 2012
That sounds like your problem, not that gay soldier's.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Its nobody's problem.
But it does amuse me how people like you, having never walked a single mile in a pair of combat boots, would pretend to know what's best for that infantryman, or tanker, or artilleryman.
Our military is no place for your touchy-feely social engineering experiments. They do a serious job where lives are the trade currency.
Now if you want to make it a hate crime if every college dorm doesn't come fully equipped with openly gay roommates, I'm all for it. I say knock yourselves out. If you want your kids being taught by people pressing the gay agenda telling them its OK to have 2 daddies or 2 mommies, have at it (my kids are way past grade school).
Just don't force your gay tolerance BS onto the field of battle where someone may have to pay the ultimate price so you can go to sleep at night patting yourself on the back for being such a great human being.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
salbatrossJan 30, 2012
I haven't been in the military, no. But you know what I have done? I've talked to gay people. Gotten to know them. Loved them. And it's taught me that they're just people. Regular old people. And if they want to be in the military, it's because they're brave. They're patriotic. They want to make a difference. It sure as hell isn't because of the MREs. And why should they have to hide? What benefit is it to the military for a good soldier who lets his guard slip to be kicked out?
You tell me how having an openly gay soldier next to you will increase your chance of paying the ultimate price. I bet you can't.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
@salbatross
As I said earlier, if you've never served in combat arms, you would never understand. I'm not saying this trying to be flip or dismissive. It is the absolute truth.
Of course, I'm from the old school, where any hint of homosexuality got you thrown out of the military. But I work with a couple of guys who served post Clinton (DADT). 2 of them were Rangers and the other was straight leg infantry.
Universally they agreed with me 100%. The esprit de corps, the brotherhood, represents a buildup of love and trust that transcends sexuality. In fact, sexuality of any kind would only serve to cheapen and degrade the bond of Unit cohesion.
Salbatross, there's a reason they don't let girls serve in combat arms (not that I would reject their help if we were fighting on our own soil for the very existence of our Nation). And please don't start listing all the Countries that let women serve in that capacity. We are not those Countries. And I don't think there is a single one of us who would want our wives, girlfriends, sisters, or mothers exposed to the horror of war if it could be avoided.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
vitriolandangstJan 29, 2012
My son's birthday is coming up, and we could really use a Pinata that says stuff to piss off the kids and make them swing harder... so what are your rates?
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Depends.
Do you draw welfare?
Oh wait, silly question. You're a Liberal. Duh.
theswashbucklerJan 29, 2012
f**k Allen West...
breadfredJan 29, 2012
I'd rather not.
leonard2Jan 29, 2012
I don't think he would let you. I don't think he's gay.
usarugulaJan 29, 2012
Not with that hair.
quebecoishistoryJan 29, 2012
You know trying to equate people who do not agree with you point of view as somehow Un-American is expanding the even bigger gap between those in this country who are the haves and the have nots. Economic dependency Indeed!!! I have never heard such piffle. When Mitt Romney refuses to pay his fair share of taxes, that is UN American. He would not make so much money if he did not live and do his business here. So why does he want to create jobs for other countries? One could see that this is not in his best interest or America's. The other thing about dependency is the situation we see with Banks and Car companies and the home mortgages collapse. Dependency, It appears that big business is the dependent on American good will and who pays for it???? you got it the rest of us. We all choked when the banks needed help because of the bad mortgages they saddled Americans with. But the American public, as sick as this was, agreed that the crisis would have been worse if we did not allow the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to bail them out. So if the federal government bails out Car companies, banks etc, this is government intervention. Hence, this is exactly what the republicans think should not happen. As one who lived in Michigan for most of my life, living elsewhere now, I know that for every job GM had there were 5 others in other industries that were supported by that 1 job. This would have been catastrophic. But then the federal government should stay out right? If this vocal minority, and yes they are the minority, wants to continue I say great, they are only showing through their radical ideas how loony they really are. In fact, commentary is not necessary one just has to look at the words and wonder what planet they reside on regularly.
eraptorJan 30, 2012
Who really cares what Allen West thinks?
It's not as though he has any credibility or has accomplished a damned thing in Congress OR the military. He was drummed out of the military in the midst of war for proving himself unfit to serve in any leadership capacity.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Yeah I know, he has zero cred.
It ain't like he's some pissant calling himself eraptor on the internet or anything.
eraptorJan 30, 2012
Don't you have a goat to suck?
Considering the raft of responses you've made in defense of Allen West, you're either Allen West himslef or one of his tapeworms. Crawl back to your hole, loser.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
Whatsa matter widdo waptor? Did the big mean Chuppy put you in your place by pointing out Allen West accomplishes more by 0800 hours everyday than you do with your pathetic Digg existence?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 31, 2012
Okay, that was sad.
My advice:
Get a marker and draw glasses on the screen;
- then call him four-eyes and punch away!
Hit it hard! cause you're a tough
patriot who doesn't take nonsense from people
who laugh at your posturing self-flattering
plastic-patriotism as long as they are smaller or not
actualy present.
I bet Alan West could punch all the way through a laptop!
eraptorFeb 1, 2012
Goatsucker,
Baby talk? Seriously? Grow up, little boy. This is a discussion among adults, not punks like you.
As for comparing accomplishments, Allen West doesn't measure up to a FRACTION of what I have accomplished during my life. He's a tragic joke, just like you.
tiffdajerkJan 29, 2012
this guy is sadly confused.................. smh
rogue100Jan 30, 2012
This liberal to Allen West:
f**k Off!
aikomikoJan 30, 2012
I don't know this guy but I know his nephew. He doesn't like him very much, he curse every time he sees him on TV. Oddly he also says his uncle is named Thomas.
ferrellcreationsJan 30, 2012
What is this fools problem! Florida will once again be a blue state like in 08, get over it. These guys campaigning all over are obviously putting on a good show, but the majority of America is smarter then that now. How is it these guys will do anything it takes to avoid a tax raise on the wealthiest.. really? is it that bad. If you are making millions it won't hurt to pay extra money, there's people in this country everyday who struggle to feed their families, and a tax raise for millionaires is the wrong thing to do, even if it helps a little? That's ridiculous, don't let them fool you!
crymtyphonJan 29, 2012
When someone says idiot things like Agree with us or leave America,
the only valid comment is "That is a dumb and unpatriotic thing to say".
All googling of similar opposite comments,
- is failed affirmation by balancing one evil stupidity with another.
.
And all open agreement?
- is torching the flag of the United States of America
because its stars and stripes represent people you don't approve of.
Wouldn't do that.
letsgetreal50Jan 29, 2012
Allen West. From liberals to you. Have a nice day. You appear to be a heartless Nazi in many ways. And you don't speak for Republicans either. Your just another "Ruthless" Republican who was about to stick it to your constituents concerning Social Security.
It's Not Cut, Cap and Balance, it is Duck, Dodge and Dismantle
http://youtu.be/zBb6EU8uenQ
davidnivenJan 29, 2012
A few points:
1) Nazis were leftists. Big, centralized government. Massive gun control. Government regulation of every aspect of society. Minimal religion. Morality coming from within and not from God.
2) Nazis? Godwin fail.
3) And since you dropped the Nazi card, keep in mind that they thought what they were doing was the best thing for humanity. They did it from the heart. So, don't say that your political opponents are heartless.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
timedalkatJan 29, 2012
Bwaahaahaa, ha.
God, you're a moron.
pc25Jan 30, 2012
atta boy, what a rebuttal. You're an idiot, liberal toolbag.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
That business of fascism being 'leftist', is kind of fun.
We go back to world war II.
The U.S. is firmly leftist, under the fist of Democrat FDR
and his union thugs, instituting social security, medicaid
and food stamps.
And the British are leftist too, with their welfare state and
universal health care and labor unions. Which
throws Canada and Australia into the left as well.
Same for the French, naturaly; and the Dutch and the
Swedes and Switzlerland and the Scandinavian countries.
Then the Russians of course are left of the left.
But if we, in a lunatic assumption of a slander,
assume the fascist nations are also leftist?
so that Italy, Spain, Japan and Germany are all leftist?
- we face a strange question:
Where was the right, in world war II?
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
Where was the Left, in the 45 years of stalemate after WWII, that made Mutually Assured Destruction a very real possibility?
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
Nah ah ah.
We speak of Fascism; do not throw a lifeline to a drowning
lie, by broadening the focus of the discussion.
If fascism is of the left?
- there were no nations in world war II of the right.
An absurdity.
And absurdities are common as bugs on the internet;
but still fun to catch in a jar.
Forgive me if I forget to punch air holes in the top.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
I asked a simple question - same as you.
I can also ask where was the Left in the 10 years leading up to WWII?
You can try to narrow the discussion down to just a single event in history, as if all actions preceding and after the event were of no consequence, but that would make the discussion a bit stale, wouldn't it.
I may as well ask where was the Left as Jimmy Carter fumbled around like an idiot while our citizens were held hostage and America was humiliated in front of the world for a year and one half?
You want to know what made me a hard core Republican?
Jimmy Carter, plain and simple.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
Nope. Mine was a simple question.
You ask a complex one,
in failed hope of avoiding the answer.
Which is: that fascism is a sin of the right;
as communism is of the left.
As for your unburning question?
- the left was all over the place in the decade
before world war II.
It was for peace; it was for revolution; it was
for making a deal with hitler; it was for
wiping facsism out. The left obsessed with
supporting the spanish republicans;
the left focused on domestic issues and
said to heck with Europe.
But Right wingers like Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin, and Prescot Bush had a much clearer stand.
They supported the fascists in Europe and
South America, as a noble crusade to rid the world
of leftist decadence and jewish corruption.
I did not ask the secret origin of your political
super-powers; but if you want to tell us that
it comes from the anguish you felt under Jimmy
Carter?
- I would advise trying to get bit by a radiactive
Republican.
No doubt Mr. West would do fine.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
Gosh.
With all that purity of spirit and righteousness of cause oozing from every pore on the Left, it makes me wonder how anyone could be so boorish as to vote for any other group.
/s
Please tell me you have enough intelligence to see through that tripe.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 31, 2012
If you are going to dodge a question
with an insult?
- the insult has to be more interesting than
the question.
The idiots who babble that "fascism is of
the left" have the obligation to explain
how world war II took place entirely between
'leftist' nations.
If you wisely wish to skip the exam?
- do it by questioning my love of the flag
while Impling I am a gay welfare cheat who
molests small woodland animals; for extra
credit add that I did a radio broadcast for
Sadaam wherein I mocked the Pope.
Your politics is not really about anything except
your gut feeling of hate;
- so work on avoiding dull questions
like 'name a country'.
Notice the lack of /s at the end.
truthroxJan 31, 2012
One MAJOR historical correction:
Nazi's were fascists posing as socialists. Had Hitler been a true "socialist" as you disingenuously claim, he would have never gone to war against Russia/Stalin (a Communist) since their ideological beliefs would have been more compatible. Fascists are ideologically opposed to Socialists. This makes them natural enemies, "genius".
Absent the Swastika, death camps/holocaust and blind loyalty to Hitler (Ronald Reagan and Grover Norquist serve as your substitute), Conservatives resemble the Nazi Party's disgrace FAR more than Progressives.
-- Use of deceitful and misleading propaganda to champion your political agenda at the nation's collective expense...check;
-- Racist tendencies...check;
-- Forcing your legislative agenda onto the country absent popular support...check;
-- Using political thuggery to intimidate your political rivals...check;
-- Partnering with major business interests to champion your political agenda...check; and
-- Placing your narcississtic desires for power/greed above the national interest...check.
See the pattern and similarities? No? We do...
miklkitJan 31, 2012
The similarities are real. My European friends were the first ones to point them out to me.
carlmosconiJan 29, 2012
Yeh, we need more bible totin' conservatives to decide the fate of the U.S. Geniuses ala G. Bush are the answer!
luke1h7Jan 29, 2012
Some people's kids.
withearsJan 30, 2012
Allen West can't really do anything except incite emotions. Lucky for him, that's what the tea party is all about.
When it comes to analysis and reason, Allen West is incapable of participating.
okloanerJan 29, 2012
the words of a scared little boy
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
He's got more guts in the tip of one of his hemmoroids than you have in your entire body, internet warrior boy.
Now go sit down and rack up more points on your modern warfare 3 game and pretend you have a clue.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
Clue?
What mystery required a clue?
Everything here is obvious.
Patriotism is not measured by how many times around,
one wraps the flag about oneself.
It is measured, by how much of the flag one extends,
to those of your nation who do not remind you of your
political mirror.
It takes physical courage to be a soldier.
It takes moral courage to be a patriot.
There is no mystery in the diference.
Also you're dull.
ChuppacabraJan 30, 2012
"It takes physical courage to be a soldier.
It takes moral courage to be a patriot."
And it takes a man like Allen West to be both.
"There is no mystery in the diference.
Also you're dull."
Only a Liberal would say something so base.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 30, 2012
Base?
You are in a thread where you dare to
pose as a person who loves their country,
- yet you stand on your chair to cheer as Mr.
West uses your flag as political toilet paper.
Do not tell us what you consider 'base'.
We already take the measure of your values,
by what you consider 'patriotic'.
And it wouldn't flatter a dog.
ChuppacabraJan 31, 2012
You're right. I applaud a man who has the guts to look America's enemies in the eye and call it the way it is. You people are going to do subversively what the Soviet Union was incapable of doing in 45 years of cold war.
Ann Coulter presses the argument in her book, "Treason" in which she brings to light the venona papers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project) which confirmed the Soviets had infiltrated all levels of American Government and infested our education system, creating children, like you, who despise Capitalism, reject patriotism, abhor freedom, and would like to see America reshaped to resemble some sort of insane bastardization of herself.
Flattering dogs, indeed. How apropos.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
crymtyphonJan 31, 2012
Uh huh.
It is not looking anyone in the eye,
to call fellow Americans who politicaly disagree
with you, every idiot adjective you
an pull from an Ann Coulter political-porn novel.
It is looking in the mirror.
Standing in your underwear, naturaly;
- and flexing your rhetorical muscles while waving
the Ak-47 you got from soldier-of-fortune
magazine.
If only some punk liberal minority-types were
burning the flag in front off you while calling
for a graduated income tax! You'd show 'em!
And if only Ann were there to see!
Alas; no.
But if you want you can shoot the mirror.
It's not doing you any good anyway.
vitriolandangstJan 29, 2012
I know this is a trolling article, and Allen West is merely trying to make Right and Left get in a massive bitch-slapping brawl.
If Allen West will pay twice what my house is worth, I'll gladly move to a more Progressive country.... unfortunately, since assh**es like West have had a little TOO MUCH of the airwaves the past decade, Americans are not in high demand, except of course in China where anyone teaching english or engineering can get a job right away.
cosmicsurferJan 29, 2012
And the Liberals to Allen West:
LOL, coming from a war criminal and traitor to his uniform that was pushed out of the military, that's funny. That's REALLY funny
davidnivenJan 29, 2012
[citation required]
(and please don't use HuffPo or some other leftwing blog)
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
Just look at his wikipedia page under "Iraq interrogation incident"...it's got plenty of citations.
davidnivenJan 29, 2012
Wow. So, we should use the OP's own Wiki page to determine if his/her post is legitimate and accurate?
...you're kidding, right?
salbatrossJan 29, 2012
What? "his" meaning Allen West. Surely you're not that dense.
asfinktersezwutJan 29, 2012
Do not try and sway davidniven with "facts" - the facts only enrage the beast because he is unable to consume them.