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manbeefAug 12, 2010
Wow. We've come a long way in 20 years.
jetboyterpAug 13, 2010
Been a hard fought battle...
jargonscottAug 13, 2010
We should shower ourselves with praise.
ronmexico69Aug 13, 2010
haha it's a penis
ten_inchesOct 17, 2010
with genital warts.
atomictheoryAug 13, 2010
I agree, we've really become laxed in our standards. I still stand by the old adage "you can't trust a man who doesn't love vagina".Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
delphium226Aug 13, 2010
I don't trust you.
ShamanChemistryAug 13, 2010
on what grounds? you said so? because only your family is aware of that adage apparently.
publiclurkerAug 13, 2010
For him, vagina's are like God. He has never seen either, and never will.
solecizeAug 13, 2010
Wow. We've cum a lot in 20 years.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I'm glad to see there is an erecting trend. So do my colleagues.
njdoo7Aug 13, 2010
"We've come a long way in 20 years."
It depends on how you measure success. Simple fact is that none of us are truly free. Whether we want to or not we must obey orders from the government or face the government monopoly on the legal use of violence.
Calling it progress that one more group has been granted a few more privileges; would be comparable to calling progress for slaves to be allowed a few more privileges like what they eat for dinner, having a couple hours of free time, etc. It's not really progress when they're still slaves; just like it not really progress when none of us are truly free.
I admit that it is good that more and more people are waking up and starting to realize how insane it is to tell people what they can and cannot do, but we have not really made any progress towards freeing mankind from thousands of years of slavery under the state.
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mightybobAug 13, 2010
Think long and hard about Manbeef's point.
nickthehatAug 13, 2010
Your fear of Gov. is what is keeping you un-free.
drunkinbdaAug 13, 2010
yeaaah... its like you're trying to sound smart.. but really you sound like those people who are drunk and trying to pretend they are sober..far to long winded with no really useful points being made.
we have come a long way.. and thats that.
njdoo7Aug 13, 2010
Instead of trying to debate the points i made and have an intellectual discussion based on history and observed facts, you call names and try to destroy my credibility. This is not a sign of someone who knows what they are talking about; it is a sign of someone without anything else to say.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fallout22Aug 13, 2010
OR : a sign of someone who simply doesn't get the joke.
drunkinbdaAug 13, 2010
fine. if you want to debate, firstly you have to define "slavery under the state". does that mean you have to pay taxes and that annoys you? or you cannot live off the land or build a house where you want? or that you cant go around killing and stealing?
what is it that the govt's of the world have done for so long that makes you a slave to them?
..and frankly yes.. goin from a slave with little to no food, then being a slave with food and extra free time/rights.. yes that is progress. not the end of the fight, but its progress.
njdoo7Aug 13, 2010
"firstly you have to define "slavery under the state" "
As I stated, we do not have the option of whether or not to participate in government. Whether you believe government is necessary or not, you still have to admit that you are not free if you have do not have the option to withdraw participation. The ability to leave the country is not a valid excuse, as many like to believe, because it leads to the issue of infinite regression.
Personally, my biggest issue with government is the 25% of my income that gets stolen from my paycheck every week. I never agreed to be part of this system, I was born in it and I am helpless to it. Whether or not you support taxation, you have to agree that if you must pay or be put in a cage that you are not truly free. If you want to support the state, that's fine I would never advocate that force be used against you in order to prevent you, all I ask is the same goddamn respect for wanting nothing to do with it.
Governments have essentially controlled the world for 5000 years and never given people options of whether to participate or not. This is what has enslaved mankind.
The issue with statism is that it is centered on a principal of using violence (forcing people to conform) to solve complex social problems. This just complicates things, plus it is immoral. My views on this specific idea are expanded upon very well in this video, which is important to truly understanding my philosophy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLCEXtpTNYU
I agree that extra privileges (remember it's not a right if it can be taken away, or if it has to be granted to you in the first place) are always good, however the "progress" is not towards something that actually solves the problem. Why fight a civil rights movement, a women's rights movements, a gay rights movements, and so on? You are ignoring the fundamental problem, that your "rights" are granted and taken away by the state. As long as the state has the ability to do this and people believe the only way to solve these problems is through the state, people will never be truly free. Real progress would be towards real solutions, not making the failed and fundamentally flawed solution slightly better. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
drunkinbdaAug 13, 2010
i understand what you are saying, but its seems like such a all/nothing type thing that is basically impossible in ANY interaction, not just govt/people one.
just to clarify, are you willing to give up all amenities provided by said govt? roads? any health benefits? police? fire? security? yada yada?
will have to watch the video when i get home.
also remember, slaves didnt exactly have the chance to become slave masters.. the people do have a chance to get into govt.
njdoo7Aug 13, 2010
"just to clarify, are you willing to give up all amenities provided by said govt? roads? any health benefits? police? fire? security? yada yada? "
I want to pursue voluntary solutions to these problems. The issue of force is what causes the gov to fail at providing effective and efficient solutions to these problems. The issue of force is what makes statism immoral.
Let me pose this thought:
When we ended slavery, did we question things like: "How will the slaves support themselves?" "Will economic output hit a huge slump?" and so on.. I think most people realized that slavery is immoral.
The fact that we would need to start from scratch in solving these sorts of problems, is not a valid reason to overlook or excuse the immorality statism.
There has been a lot of philosophical effort put into how these complex social problems (roads, health, fire, police, etc) in a voluntary society. I suggest learning about them, www.freedomainradio.com is a great starting point for the philosophy of voluntarism, and it's all free.
I believe voting is immoral, since it is advocating violence be used against those who do not agree with the majority. I realize I could work to enhance certain aspects of my life by getting involved with government, but then I would be the monster I am against..a statist. Just like the slave would be the monster he is against if he became a slave owner.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
njdoo7Aug 13, 2010
I want to pose yet another thought process for you:
Many areas of your life are already anarchy; such as who you marry, what career you pick, how many children you have (if you don't live in China or other areas that restrict this), and so on.
Parallel arguments could be made for a statist solution to potential problems in these aspects of your life and how they affect society. I am not sure how you feel, but most would consider this ludicrous. What makes economic interaction, health care, police, etc.. any different? The only real difference is inertia in the ideology that statism is necessary to solve these complex issues. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
imandysmithAug 13, 2010
The joke is that the graph looks like a penis. That's why we've come a LONG way, dumbass.
njdoo7Aug 13, 2010
I'll admit I didn't open the link, figured it referenced gaining support for gay rights.
s73v3rAug 13, 2010
Yes, the entire graph was a joke. And then you come in here with your seriousness, and desire to have a discussion, and ruin it. :-p
Your main complaint, glossing through your posts, is mainly that you want to be able to live without government. There may be someplace where you could do that, but not here in the United States. Because we've decided to live here under a system of government, as have just about everyone else in the world. So you're going to have a tough time finding a place where people have not made that choice.
Assuming you do, however, and find like minded people to join you and form a community, that community is going to need leadership, and a set of rules to live by. They may be minimalist rules, but there will be rules nonetheless. Now you have a leader, and a set of rules. Congratulations, you've just created a government.
drunkinbdaAug 16, 2010
i gotta be honest.. this seems to be a very opinionated thing.. and im sure the debate could go on and on with good points..
but as soon as i read "Once we accept that force is not a way to solve any problems, as we are all taught in kindergarten for interactions on a smaller scale," you totally lost me..
violence absolutely is a way to solve problems. Its not the BEST way for CIVILISED people to solve problems, but it is definitely a good way to do it.
You want to talk about anarchy and such, well look at the animal kingdom. pretty much all of their problems/disputes are solved with violence. Thats how it is done in a non-govt, non-society setting. Someone does something you don't like in the animal world (where there is no "forced govt"), tries to take your woman, steal your food to survive, raping females, etc? you don't just roar or growl at that animal/person and then stand by if they dont listen.. you puff up to scare them, and if that doesnt work you kick/rip the s**t out of them, or have it done to you.
Now that we have become civilized, mainly because we have adopted this system of a few representing the masses, where we decide who works for us, and we accept that their will will be forced upon us. Sometimes we dont like their will, but so that we dont run around like savages, we generally accept it until the next voting time. As such, to stop others from stealing, raping, we have the police that we give an implied consent to be that "legalised force", in hopes/assumption that they will do it only when needed and in the right capacity. Sometimes this goes awry but usually it works just enough to stop society from unwinding, as for some reason you think would be grand.
relic180Aug 13, 2010
That's what she said.
idugggAug 13, 2010
it's a penis
daltonkuepkerAug 13, 2010
frvsgigiwrgj
Why didn't I notice that?!
vdoogsAug 13, 2010
And it's been a long time coming, as well.
To foes of the cause I proclaim:
Come with us! And you will see what we are made of.
....and maybe, if you're lucky, taste it too.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Appropriately it's a big dick facing toward the right.
dlite922Aug 13, 2010
...but it must be a very long closet.
*ahem*
magus_melchiorAug 13, 2010
Somehow fitting that a user called "manbeef" got first post and a very subtle joke...
mrdowntempoAug 13, 2010
hehe... come. hehehe... penis... penis and come... hehehHAHAHHAHA
elsewhere42Aug 12, 2010
In 30 years we will look back at this time and wonder what the big deal was... just as we now look back on inter-racial marriages. No big deal.
enderwigginAug 13, 2010
This is a good argument I've seen used against people who oppose same-sex marriage -- whether it's 20 or 50 years they will eventually lose. Do they really want to look like the douchebags who were against inter-racial marriage?
gooddamonAug 13, 2010
20 or 50? Try 10 or even less. The 18-39 age group overwhelmingly support equal rights for homosexuals, and the below-18 set does so by an even larger margin, and a big chunk of them will be voting soon, while the mean old dinosaurs who absorbed their parents' religious bigotry are literally dying off. It's inevitable.
The kids are all right.
apolloxliiAug 14, 2010
feels good, man.
deruberkaiserAug 14, 2010
You are truly the voice of the generation, Damon.
/s
toxnubAug 14, 2010
Evolution at work. (Seriously)
paraswarmAug 13, 2010
What comes next? Gay robots marrying gay humans?
paraswarmAug 13, 2010
Buried by people that don't watch the new Futurama episodes.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I am all for the legalization of ghost and horse marriage.
diggsmckenzieAug 13, 2010
Its Robosexual. lrn2Futurama
perkAug 13, 2010
Polygamy.
paraswarmAug 13, 2010
@DiggsMcKenzie
We're talking about gay robosexuals.
huangchaoAug 14, 2010
Pedophilia?
osko2052Aug 13, 2010
Incest, bestiality. No big deal. Do whatever you want even though it's wrong as long as it makes you happy.
powderedtoastyAug 13, 2010
When people start talking about legalizing marriage between siblings or people and animals then you have a point, until then you are a hateful moron who needs to mind his own business.
quegrawksAug 13, 2010
Animals cannot give consent legally.
nyxerebosAug 13, 2010
"Animals cannot give consent legally." - nor can vacuum cleaners but you don't see me opposing anyone who wants to marry their household appliances.
/this whole conversation is absurd, just get over your homophobia alreadyComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jagedlionAug 13, 2010
The consent argument I think is pretty good. But for people who keep their cattle on feedlots, and eat veal, I'm not sure that animal suffering is really a problem.
Plus, it wasn't long ago that marrying cousins was quiet common. While the European royalty ended up with a few diseases, now we know enough that we could simply screen out such marriages. Not to mention that the problems are quite treatable now, especially if you're willing to screen embryos.
When we start populating new worlds with ships of only tens of people, expect a lot more family love (just like moving out west in a small wagon train).
While I don't agree with what osko is trying to imply, its really quite possible that its just current social norms that makes me think that it's so different.
staffaAug 13, 2010
Incest among consenting adults, much as two guys f**king each other, while not something I would personally do, is not something I have a problem with other people doing.
I do how ever believe that one of the requirements of marriage is that both parties give consent. Machines are not advanced enough yet to give consent and the only animal advanced enough is humans. Both of these things can change and if they should, consenting adults man, what ever you want to do to each other is ok with me.
muffcakesAug 13, 2010
Is a dog humping your leg consent? Or does the dog really understand the level of commitment he is getting into?
Is gay adult consenting incest ok? It's gross but I see no ethical problem with it. Hetero adult consenting family, in a situation where procreation is impossible or proven safe for any offspring also has no ethical problems that I can see. Can anybody think of a reason why this would not be all right.
scottyanimalAug 13, 2010
Define "wrong".
I think it is "wrong" for you to post on the internet. I am going to make a law to stop it.
dysfunctionAug 13, 2010
jagedlion: Actually, you CAN'T populate worlds with only ten people. They'd all end up with horrible genetic diseases a few generations down the line. The minimum seed population is something like 2,000.
bizkit00Aug 13, 2010
Slippery slope arguments go both ways. If you regulate marriage like this you'll regulate everything, and we'll end up in a mix between 1984 and Nazi Germany!
tdogg241Aug 13, 2010
The funny thing is that the only people actually talking about marrying siblings, children, and animals are the bigots.
johnfluxAug 13, 2010
When it comes to questions about beastiality, incest, polygamy, vacuum cleaners etc, I think the long term solution is to simply remove government intervention from marriage.
We should simply make marriage whatever set of rituals you want, plus some legally binding contract. I don't see the need for anything more - why on earth does the government have to be involved?
This would legalize "marriage" between any parties who can sign a contract, including polygamy and incest. And possibly we include marrying your vacuum cleaner, since it doesn't /need/ to give consent.
As for beastiality - As another poster said, I think it's hypocritical to say that it's fine to keep animals in bad conditions, then kill and eat them, but then say that its somehow immoral to f**k, especially if the animal enjoys it.
paraswarmAug 13, 2010
"Incest, bestiality. No big deal. Do whatever you want even though it's wrong as long as it makes you happy."
Exactly! They can do whatever they want. It's none of your goddamn business or concern.
Who gives a s**t if somebody wants to marry a bridge or a horse? That's what they want to do with their life. It's not going to hurt your kids or your society; that's a belief for bigots and frightened old people.
Let me guess, you're for small government right? A small government that tells you who can and can't marry? Such hypocrisy, I love these simple folk.
andrwmorphAug 13, 2010
Well that monkey shouldn't have worn that dress!
13point1Aug 13, 2010
ParaSwarm: It's small government for corporations, who deserve the right to do whatever the f**k they like, but big government for everyone else, so that they can make every community into some sort of Calvinist dystopia.
jagedlionAug 13, 2010
Dysfunction: Many cities in the midwest were started with far fewer than 2000 people. In fact, the entirety of the human population (across at that point 2 continents!) was down to as little as 3000 after the Toba catastrophe.
Polynesian islands have shown relative success after populating with between 50 and 100 people.
Without intense screening around 200 are necessary. Maybe less when you start thinking about what medical problems are treatable, or ignorable.
Here is a nice overview on google answers:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=378894
worthbakAug 13, 2010
unfortunately, inter-racial marriage is definitely still an issue, at least for a lot of people in our parent's generation :/
mattluizAug 13, 2010
Thankfully they'll die off soon enough.
vitriolandangstAug 13, 2010
We need a graph to show how often that the same TYPE of people keep going against everything good and promoting everything backward throughout history. Then acting like they were for it and didn't have an issue later, while they find something else to be stupid and hateful about.
gooddamonAug 13, 2010
At the very least, you'd find the North/South social politics split in this country for the last 200 years matches pretty well against that graph.
wtfhaxxAug 14, 2010
how are you missing the nearly penis shaped graph?
Closed AccountAug 15, 2010
Black people marrying outside of their race is a very big and dangerous thing.
It is cool if all other races mix with each other, but the fecal Homo Erecti must be kept separate.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
drich255Oct 26, 2010
And not only marriage, I can't believe we are still segregating bathrooms based on gender. Eventually the nation will catch up with our enlightened thoughts. Damn bigots.
manikfoxAug 12, 2010
Still only 50%?!
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Here is a handy pie chart, it shows you exactly all the nasty things that will happen when you allow gays to marry:
http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/gaymarriage.gif
remeloxAug 18, 2010
It's the red portion that bothers a lot of people.
greenroom628Aug 12, 2010
haha...it looks like a penis.
no, i'm not mature enough for this graph -- do you have a point?
Mich167Aug 13, 2010
Best comment of the day! :)
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
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inactiveuserAug 13, 2010
Rotate it clockwise and it looks like a Virgina.
I wish I had a Virgina, I would play with it all day...
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
i wish you had a vagina too, i'd f**k the s**t outta you
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Vagina ATM? Never seen that at the bank before. But the idea sounds great!
tiakAug 13, 2010
Neither of the Virginias looks anything like that.
hmalhi93Aug 13, 2010
Bank of Virgina ATMs are hard to find.
thyagobrAug 13, 2010
Maturity? Hmm...
I'll accept that, as long as Star Wars: The Old Empire comes out SOON.
elperegrinoAug 13, 2010
i'm still in shock that the three comments before yours appear to be serious
tbbucsAug 13, 2010
A gay penis.
rj78Aug 13, 2010
A bisexual penis.
originalmadmattAug 13, 2010
its a harpoon, its a dork, No, it is a prick!
tdogg241Aug 13, 2010
Frank and beans!
u83onewingAug 13, 2010
the graph has a point
455holeAug 13, 2010
it looks like to penises touching. thats pretty gay.
shozikuAug 13, 2010
a dog penis
Closed AccountAug 19, 2010
Lipstick
ringo0309Aug 13, 2010
It's nice to see that gays are finally getting a-head in the polls.
illepicAug 12, 2010
Just the tip ... of the iceberg ... on this issue.
thcobbsAug 13, 2010
I promise... its just the tip
3rdharbingerAug 13, 2010
Just to see how it feels
originalmadmattAug 13, 2010
It isn't gay if the balls dont touch
soulweaponryAug 14, 2010
Tip of the MANberg
kaliorAug 14, 2010
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
rahazAug 14, 2010
It's never just the tip... of the ice burg.
llanowarAug 13, 2010
It's funny cause it looks like a...
Wait, I have no idea what that looks like actually.
ayeroxorAug 13, 2010
Then clearly the issue doesn't pertain to you!
treytravisAug 13, 2010
It looks like a penis
gizram84Aug 13, 2010
If that's what your penis looks like, please go see a doctor.
martin987Aug 13, 2010
Take two of these pills and call me in the morning if the little blue and red dots haven't disappeared
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
All we really need is for the red dots to disappear.
tadghostal66Aug 13, 2010
Sure, it's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out.
lagerandcrispsAug 13, 2010
What happened in 2004? Was it due to the election campaign?
ayeroxorAug 13, 2010
Bris
dukerutledgeAug 13, 2010
Best comment all day!
Jordan117Aug 13, 2010
Republicans made it into a wedge issue during the 2004 campaign in response to states like Massachusetts legalizing it, starting ballot measures in multiple states defining marriage as "one man, one woman" that were intended to entice the evangelical vote (who would in turn vote to re-elect Bush).
snoogsAug 13, 2010
Wait a tick... Bush didn't actually get re-elected, his brother just gave him the state of FL.
reaper527Aug 13, 2010
his brother, and the supreme court, and the voters of florida, where bush voters out numbered gore voters
nolowputtsAug 13, 2010
I wonder how Republicans feel knowing that they're the ones responsible for creating the "bell end."
captainchrisAug 13, 2010
what an effective movement it was. just look at that bump in the line graph
jboneyourphoneAug 13, 2010
More like erection campaign!
kajaragoAug 13, 2010
ROR!!!
dlite922Aug 13, 2010
We were just defining the head
dhughesAug 13, 2010
Awesome.
http://imgur.com/BcQYZ.png
dlite922Aug 14, 2010
I hear the head is the hard part. Once that's through, the rest goes in easy...wait we're still talking about gay sex right?
lukas1051Aug 13, 2010
I think it's brilliant that people are finally starting to come away from their medieval ideologies and sup-OH IT LOOKS LIKE A WEENER, AHAHAHAHA!!!
mgraves81Aug 13, 2010
You have a triangular shaped wiener?
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
yup
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
yo the girls like it , especially the red and blue bumps all over.
mgraves81Aug 13, 2010
^^it's studded^^
kajaragoAug 13, 2010
Riddled with VD is more like it.
ronintetsuroAug 14, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
orenyarokAug 13, 2010
What information is this graph based on? and what are the numbers on the Y axis, percents?
elipabstAug 13, 2010
"what are the numbers on the Y axis, percents?"
Arbitrary phallus units.
nyxerebosAug 13, 2010
*Metric APUs. If it was Imperial APUs the scale would be 0-240.
slade605Aug 13, 2010
Dugg for not taking 7th grade Algebra.
rednipAug 13, 2010
Yes, that would be percentage points:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/08/opinion-on-same-sex-marriage-appears-to.html
mxm111Aug 13, 2010
From the fact that they are equal at exactly 50 points, one can conclude that it is, indeed, a percentage point.
ducktomguyAug 13, 2010
whew, glad I'm not the only one with red and blue dots on my junk
rj78Aug 13, 2010
Might want to get that checked out pal.
I mean seriously, if your junk looks like an electoral campaign trail it's only a matter of time before it splits in half and each side begins trying to devour the other...
jektalAug 14, 2010
At least it'll be f**king everyone else in the process...
joannchiladaAug 13, 2010
That's what a penis is supposed to look like? All blobby and point and covered in herp? I have been sorely mislead.
kleon777Aug 13, 2010
They're obviously cherry pickling polls to reflect what they want the results to show. The majority of Americans want to protect marriage.
combatchuckAug 13, 2010
Protect marriage from what? Is it under attack? No, scratch that. Don't answer me. You probably think it's a fag commie conspiracy to ruin everything.
ayeroxorAug 13, 2010
Pay no attention to kleon. He actually uses the word "0bamacare" (yes, spelled with a zero) to describe how we're trying to stop people from getting unlimited emergency medical care for life without ever having to pay in.
chilidogsAug 13, 2010
"They're obviously cherry picking polls..."
Have any evidence to support that? Didn't think so. If you really don't think that negative attitudes towards gay marriage are eroding then you aren't paying attention.
kleon777Aug 13, 2010
"Have any evidence to support that? Didn't think so."
Oh please, do you really think there was exactly one poll on the subject from 1994-1996?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rikfAug 13, 2010
"That's their method of legitimizing their lifestyle. "
What on earth is this 'lifestyle' that you are carping on about? What do you think that gay people do that is so damn different to what straight people do? And by the way,isn't 'legitimizing' a lifestyle (living together) one of the reasons that some straight people marry?
khastAug 14, 2010
Scratch that...kleon appears to be a mindless zealot that has an invisible friend in the sky. (I gave up my invisible friends before I was 5...they did about the same things as god can...nothing.)
Gay marriage isn't going to destroy marriage...f**k, it shouldn't even be a concern...if a gay couple decides to marry, are YOU going to get a divorce? See, it isn't going to "destroy" marriage.
orlandogeekAug 14, 2010
Anyone hear the cawing of a parrot? I do.
chaosprofessorAug 13, 2010
actually I want to hear kleon's response,
I am against marriage of any kind for myself, I figure that I don't need a piece of paper to tell me that I love someone if I do, to some people that is very important. Many of my relationships have ended based on that one fact I do not want to get married EVER; but protect marriage from what 2 people who love each other and want to be together? that is just stupid Kleon
mxm111Aug 13, 2010
This "Piece of paper" is not telling you that you love somebody. It is giving you important rights and protections BY LAW concerning children, inheritance, medical insurance, taxes, visitation rights in hospital, end of life decisions, some financial things, etc. etc. etc. This piece of paper that is given by state is not marriage itself, it is simply RECOGNITION of it. That's important distinction.
diggsmckenzieAug 13, 2010
You can't have Zooey. I called dibs.
chaosprofessorAug 13, 2010
@MxM so like money issues like if it doesn't work she gets half of the house I already own outright right? how is that right I own a house before I meet her and she gets half of it, I don't want kids at this point, Marriage like very holiday is a shamComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mcprogrammerAug 13, 2010
@Chaos: That's why people sign prenuptial agreements.
cloudberriesAug 13, 2010
I've personally been to at least three weddings that have been attacked by "the gays" as you might call them. They are actively seeking to destroy marriage, by painting everything pink and replacing wedding music with the soundtrack from "Priscilla Queen of the Desert". They are also camping out near registry offices, and stealing brides and grooms, with the intention of afflicting them with "the gay" by using their sinister mind powers.
(with a big fat /s, just in case that went over your head)
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
And by "protect marriage" you mean "refuse the rights of those you morally disagree with".
Marriage is not a religious act - it's a legal one. If you bring the church into it, that's your beef, but don't think for a second you have any right to refuse it on a legal basis to others.
melikbilgeAug 13, 2010
I like how he's pulling the "majority of Americans" statistics card out of his ass.
kevenmAug 14, 2010
Should have read "majority of Americans who reside in my trailerpark..."
nextAug 13, 2010
"Here is a version of the graph we produced in 2009, but updated to include the dozen or so polls that have been conducted on it since that time, as listed by pollingreport.com. I have also included opinions on gay marriage from the General Social Survey, which asked about gay marriage as long ago as 1988."
You can reconstruct their numbers from that and check their bias. I won't waste my time with it, however, as FiveThirtyEight has proven not only to be a startlingly accurate resource, but also very fair and transparent in how they collect and provide their information.
Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's not legitimate. If you have a particular problem with how they constructed that graph, do tell, but keep in mind that these guys accurately predicted the outcome of every single state in the 2008 presidential election. They know their s**t.
startsomething7Aug 13, 2010
Straight people have been f**king up marriage forever.
heliosentity2Aug 14, 2010
I lol hard every time I hear glittering conservative generalities like to "protect marriage."
dirtyfriesAug 13, 2010
I see what we did there...
mangalaiiiAug 13, 2010
I see what you did there...
murmandamosAug 13, 2010
you see what he did there...
aronmc94Aug 14, 2010
One sees what one did there..?
(Hey, I'm British.)
dadumtishAug 13, 2010
So people who don't agree with you are immature?
How intelligent of you.
ayeroxorAug 13, 2010
So people who don't know how to reply are stupid?
How stupid of you.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
>-----------------Joke----------------------->
(your head)
bonestampAug 13, 2010
I believe the maturity point was regarding our ability to ignore the fact that the chart looks like a pointy penis.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Turns out I'm not very mature.
chilidogsAug 13, 2010
A truly elegant example of missing the point.
dlan4327Aug 13, 2010
It's been a long hard journey but I finally feel we're near the climax. Gay marriage has definitely received a lot of stiff resistance however I think in the end we just need to grab the idea with both hands and just really work it. We can do it people. With a little bit of an open mind and some forward momentum we can really bring this big boy home. I'm convinced that America can come from behind and realise that accepting gay marriage is a HUGE step forward & that all the hostility just needs to be put behind us.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Also, c**ks.
manbatcowAug 13, 2010
I see what you did there...
diggymowAug 13, 2010
10 points.
JWolkieAug 13, 2010
I'd put both my thumbs up this comment if I could.
mschmitzAug 13, 2010
lol, "Grab the idea with both hands, and just really work it".
branditaAug 13, 2010
Very well played. You must have been hard on to come up with that.
fallout22Aug 13, 2010
I'm waiting for someone's oblivious comment arguing with your points....any minute now.
danr2c2Aug 13, 2010
Sort of anti-climactic, don't you think?
sup3rsh3epAug 13, 2010
what we really need is people reaching around the aisle, and tackling the issue head on
stonedslackersAug 13, 2010
As a proud republican, I believe that this whole issue is pure poppyc**k. Let's get down to the meat of the issue. Same sex marriage is just wrong, and there are no bones about it. I came out today to say this, and I encourage my true american brothers, whether he be a policeman, a construction worker, a leather-clad biker, a cowboy, or american indian to come out with me. This is a sticky situation, but together we will reach around this problem and grab the solution by the apples. Glory to the whole of America! Glory! Whole!
/obviouslyS
gdj11Aug 13, 2010
i came
greenroom628Aug 13, 2010
well, certainly this issue has been thrust from behind our collective minds into the front of the headlines. it is now protruding into the homes of many people, causing them to think long and hard about how they really feel about the issue. and, i think, it's still a tough issue for a lot of people to swallow, likely, many will probably spit it out since they can't take it all at once. but, in the end, embracing it is right thing to do.
nextAug 13, 2010
/me starts the required slow clap.
nathantestaAug 13, 2010
Why did I read this with voice of Tobias for Arrested Development in my head?
Closed AccountAug 14, 2010
r u a nevernude?
nathantestaAug 14, 2010
There are dozens of us.....dozens!
elie195Aug 13, 2010
i read that in tobias' voice.
spistachioAug 14, 2010
oh i see what you did there
kevenmAug 14, 2010
And yet we find ourselves coming over and over again to the same conclusion
godsdeadAug 14, 2010
f**k america
sunnytarAug 14, 2010
Sphincter.
oxidaneAug 13, 2010
Straight or gay -what's the point of marriage?
combatchuckAug 13, 2010
Because they want to. It's not mandatory. If you don't want to do it, don't do it.
oxidaneAug 13, 2010
But what's the point of it? "Because the want to." doesn't answer the question. Next time a guy murders someone and asks why, I'll just say because he wanted to, if you don't want to do it then don't.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lukas1051Aug 13, 2010
You can't compare murder and marriage. Lots of people want to marry because they want to show their love and commitment. If you don't want to marry there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't harm anyone, gay or straight. Murder on the other hand, well there are also people who want to do that... but you can't just let people go around killing other people, society would fall apart.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
At least in the US there are tax benefits, medical benefits/rights for 'spouses', as well as legal benefits/rights for settling estates when one of the 'spouses' die.
bunnehAug 13, 2010
In some states you can't spend the rest of your life with someone and NOT be married. After living together for X number of years (depending on where you are) you automatically become common law husband and wife and are eligible to file for the tax/inheritance/divorce benefits.
airforceteacherAug 13, 2010
Divorce benefits??! I can ge tthose??? Sweet!!!! Where do I apply? When can I start getting my checks.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I'd be hard pressed to find an issue that oxidane isn't on the wrong side of.
oxidaneAug 13, 2010
List those issues.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Sorry, the sign says don't feed the trolls.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Legally, a lot of things. Division of assets, tax breaks, child care, etc...
By marrying someone you enter into a TON of laws.
combatchuckAug 13, 2010
Why should the right to be legally married be dependent on where you stick your privates? I sincerely doubt that many gay people are getting married in the name of god, much like you don't see many black men trying to join the aryan nation. All they're asking for is to have their union legally recognized, with all the benefits and costs that entails. Marriage as a religious institution is not under attack. You can keep your close-minded, hypocritical, and ultimately meaningless ceremonies.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Actually, many same-sex marriages would like to be recognized by both their government and their religion. That's why pagan groups, UU churches, and progressively liberal Judeo-Christian groups sometimes perform marriage rites for same-sex couples. It's the government not recognizing same-sex marriages, though, that's the big problem; what a religion does is its own business, and if the adherents can't find their satisfaction within their religion, they change.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I am for 'gay marriages' but to be fair, they are not ONLY asking for their unions to be legally recognized with all the benefits and costs that entail. They also want the term 'marriage' to be used. I think if they would have used the term 'union' and left the term 'marriage' to the religious nutjobs and homophobs then this issue would have been settled long ago and they would have all the same benefits of being 'married' just without the word. I believe this was a major strategic flaw in the movement and when the dust settles I think we'll see that this "all or nothing" blunder set the movement back at least 50 years. As you can see from the graph, very little progress has been made over the last 20 years.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bibliophageAug 13, 2010
Yup no progress at all. Started out with 10% in favor, now it's over 50%. But no progress.
47f0Aug 13, 2010
You do realize that the law is written with these things you call "just a word". In the law, the word matters, and "marriage" is codified in over 1200 federal and state statutes.
Call it something else, and you either have to rewrite law in all those instances - or simply maintain a position of discrimination.
Or the simplest, and best, solution is to accept the very clear language of the Fourteenth Amendment: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Equal but different is not equal. We've proved that too many times to even set foot down that well-worn dead end.
drouin707Aug 13, 2010
two wrongs don't make a right.
two dicks don't make a baby.
its nature, don't f**k with it.
I think being gay is a retardation
d4rthv4derAug 13, 2010
Gay couples are allowed to care for children, have relationships, have same sex marriage, live together etc and people of of different race, different religion etc are allowed to get married so I don't understand why same sex marriage is illegal.
I don't understand how or from what viewpoint does straight person A determines that gay/lesbian person B is not allowed to get married to their partner. I don't see the logic or justification behind telling gay & lesbian people that they aren't allowed to marry.
It's not just in the US either it's also here in Australia. The government makes the simple statement that "marriage in between a man and a women" according to which rule book? The bible?
You would think that from a person like Julia Gillard(PM) whom is an atheist and unmarried and from left leaning, progressive government would allow same sex marriage.
Maybe the politician are just scared that they'll piss off voters with old school morals and religious people.
/End rant.
lukas1051Aug 13, 2010
BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE!!!!!! Yup, that's the reason. Forget equality or human rights, the book says you can't. Oh you're not a Christian? You don't believe in the book? Well tough luck, because we do and we make the laws so stop complaining.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Yes, the 'bible' is what all the religious nutjobs and homophobs cite as their reason.
spinningheadAug 13, 2010
I for one, am rabidly offended by the eating of shellfish, cloven-hooved animals, and people who work on Saturday.
13point1Aug 13, 2010
I've always been most upset by the eating of people who work on Sunday.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
so when the trends continue making the line penis cum, gay marriage will be legal everywhere?
how fitting
thejenigmaAug 13, 2010
Holy s**t, this graph looks like a --Johnson! Get me those poll results!
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Hehe... poll.
jarysmAug 13, 2010
Sir, the poll, for the average poll taker seems to have been too --hard facts show support for gay marriage will continue to rise
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Fake
chilidogsAug 13, 2010
That sort of claim is usually followed by supporting evidence.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Oh I forgot to put a /s. Oh well guess it's too late
pakobedejoAug 13, 2010
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joest23Aug 13, 2010
We are fighting for equality. Equality is much easier to achieve when you're trying to get rights, not take the rights others away. We would be no better than the evangelicals if we wanted to remove their rights.
reaper527Aug 13, 2010
"And yet everyone's too blindly ignorant to see that "marriage" is all about personal relationships & has absolutely nothing to do with the state. Why does the state need to bless your marriage? Why do you care what the state thinks?"
even though very few people are willing to admit it, its all about money. its about taxes, its about insurance plans. aside from financial aspects, it makes no difference what the state thinks
pakobedejoAug 13, 2010
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chilidogsAug 13, 2010
Everyone dreams of one day finding the person that they love and want to spent the rest of their lives with and...entering into a legally binding contract.
brianislostAug 13, 2010
"Remove "marriage" from all state/federal laws & be done with it. "
Way easier said than done, dude. That is beside the point, for one. Also, its not that easy. Thousands of laws would have to be charged all over the county in order for that to happen. That would take a whole lot longer than you think it will.
pakobedejoAug 14, 2010
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brianislostAug 16, 2010
Oh, you just understand, do you? It's not just that it's "hard" It would also be extremely expensive.
There's no real benefit from doing that anyway. How about we just say you can't deny same sex couples the right to marry and be done with it?
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Let the gays have marriage. It's not all it's cracked up to be.
kn1ghtmareAug 13, 2010
I think you guys have totally missed the point that, given current trending, in 2032 this graph will look like two penises touching at the tip!!!!! HAHAHAHA!
danr2c2Aug 13, 2010
Great, the Gays win again. Since the domination of the Navy and after the annexation of the rainbow, Gays now are the masters of the polls. What's next, disco?
snypezAug 13, 2010
annexation of the rainbow!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha. that's one of the funniest things i have seen on digg in quite some time.
fuzzzwuzzzAug 13, 2010
A change is gonna come.
cs188Aug 13, 2010
It's gonna come very suddenly, I hope you're ready for it.
douglasqAug 13, 2010
Marriage is sacred, and should remain with a MAN and a WOMAN who are welcome to cheat on, domestically abuse, emotionally terrorise, and in some instances, rape each other. -and now people who don't have geometrically opposing genitals want to de-purify those sacred waters?
tmoney578Aug 13, 2010
Dugg for geometrically opposing genitals.
rwhittak3Aug 13, 2010
What if one hangs to the left, and the other hangs to the right?
danr2c2Aug 13, 2010
Works for me.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Dey tuk ur jerbs!
sarcasticpirateAug 13, 2010
We have to protect the sanctity of marriage's 50% success rate!
robdsAug 13, 2010
In the good ole days (i.e. last week), the "DiggPatriots™" would never have permitted this article to reach the front page.
diggpickAug 13, 2010
Dugg for properly using the "i.e." - I just learned to do that yesterday.
daltonkuepkerAug 13, 2010
Let me guess, The Oatmeal? Read that article yesterday too, haha.
wargazmAug 13, 2010
Looks like the future is f**ked!
HEY-O!
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
f**ked by who?
wargazmAug 13, 2010
by that giant member.
nateyoAug 13, 2010
I lol'ed.
kornbred79Aug 13, 2010
I would like to see people person opinion of the role religion plays in their lives over this time as well.
impsethAug 13, 2010
Tee-hee
s8m3gAug 13, 2010
Mine doesn't look like that.
inactiveuserAug 13, 2010
More proof statistics presented as a penis can influence a coming public vote.
crunchdiggAug 13, 2010
Keep fighting that trend line, Republicans. I'm sure it will work out for the best.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Republicans. When plan A fails...there's always plan A to fall back on.
jimbodeenieAug 13, 2010
The wording of this survey sucks. I don't oppose gay marriage, but I don't favor it. The only people who favor it are gay people who want to get married.
I'm not gay, I don't care. It is a civil issue.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rwhittak3Aug 13, 2010
So you only give a s**t about freedoms that pertain to you?
jimbodeenieAug 13, 2010
Chill out, I think you missed the point of my post.
I think gays deserve the right to get married if they want to. Using the wording "favor" or "oppose" of gay marriage is poor wording. Straight people don't favor gay marriage, but can support gay people's right to get married.
omgwolfAug 13, 2010
"The only people who favor it are gay people who want to get married." Does that mean us fags can say you only dislike it because your straight and married?
Stay classy breeders.
jimbodeenieAug 13, 2010
You don't get it. You only read one sentence in my post. I'm straight, I don't favor gay marriage. I favor gay people rights to get married. I favor marriage to a super hot busty women who is crazy in the sack.
rednipAug 13, 2010
It's not a survey, it's a collection of surveys which were presented in an article on fivethirtyeight.com.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/08/opinion-on-same-sex-marriage-appears-to.html
rikfAug 13, 2010
Thank you helping me to see the light! I'm straight, but until now I thought I cared. Obviously I was wrong.
Nope - I still care. Guess I must be gay. Damn. My wife is not going to be happy about this...
soberkebapAug 13, 2010
Would you rather be black or gay?
Pretty tough question if you start to think about it huh.
enotswhatAug 13, 2010
nope
rwhittak3Aug 13, 2010
Black. No question. Because boobs are f**king awesome.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I'd rather be antoine dodson.
howitzer86Aug 13, 2010
I've never had an issue being black, and I've never been treated unfairly because of it.
melektawusAug 13, 2010
I'd rather be gay, because men are easy.
kennykljAug 13, 2010
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yosafbridgeAug 13, 2010
both please
jc265Aug 13, 2010
Red rocket, red rocket.
dogdayAug 13, 2010
I see things have finally come to a head...
tr3mulantAug 13, 2010
See! The gays have subtly manipulated everyone's minds to make penises appear in even the most innocent of statistics. <_<
solecizeAug 13, 2010
I don't understand why the government has anything to do with the marriage of anyone regardless of sexual preference. The next battle will be plural marriage.
haikufuAug 13, 2010
Sounds good to me.
4rp4n3tAug 13, 2010
Great. Twice the pain.
chilidogsAug 13, 2010
Without drawing a causal connection between gay marriage and polygamy you just look stupid.
solecizeAug 13, 2010
Not my intent. I support any relationship that is consenting and any cultural vows that don't infringe on the rights of others. gay? great. heterosexual? great. islamic plural marriage? great. Girls gone wild gang bang participant? great.
I just don't see why the state has anything to do with people's relationships in general.
kaiosamaAug 13, 2010
And in other news, a new more open-minded generation has replaced are more old-fashioned conservative (not in the political sense) generation.
kisaAug 13, 2010
Dude! You NEVER make them touch!
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Whatever you do, don't cross the streams!
fauozAug 13, 2010
Divorce lawyers just found gold!
Can we have 2 wives now also?
jabbrwockeyAug 13, 2010
- Civil Unions and "Domestic Partnerships" unfairly disadvantages couples, leaving them open to tax discrimination
- “Procreative capacity” has never, ever been a basis for marriage in the U.S., otherwise infertile heterosexual couples would not be able to marry.
- Allowing same sex marriage can only have a neutral, or even positive effect, for any children involved.
But this, "Are you mature enough for this chart?" bulls**t falls in line with "Are you smart enough to buy an electric car?" and "Are you intelligent enough for Inception?!"
Are you MATURE enough to use better logic with your digg submissions?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
chilidogsAug 13, 2010
The joke is that the graph looks like a wiener, not that people who disagree with gay marriage are immature...even though they are.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
@Jabber "Are you bright enough to get the joke"?
anti404Aug 13, 2010
I can accept the information within that graph, but I refuse to accept that it looks like a penis.
and holy f**k people in the past were strangely conservative.
nbcchicagoAug 13, 2010
history is in the making.
powderedtoastyAug 13, 2010
I can understand why someone would be against gay marriage, but I can't at all understand why people would vote or spend time working to ban it. Could someone who has done these things try to explain this? How is it effecting you? Why would you work to prevent someone from doing something that has absolutely no effect on you?
aegiscAug 13, 2010
I think it's likely that a lot of the individuals and groups that do not endorse gay marriage believe that they will find themselves increasingly sued and/or harassed in the name of "anti-discrimination" the more accepted and mainstream gay marriage becomes.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91486340 (Bottom part: Act 3: A nationwide story)
So maybe it does not effect them as much now, but it be the case in the future.
NOTE: I haven't ever campaigned against or voted against gay marriage, but I try to see the perspectives of both sides.
snypezAug 13, 2010
"Why would you work to prevent someone from doing something that has absolutely no effect on you?" This question needs to be asked a lot more often. Especially by congress.
/libertarian
bigpappapunkAug 13, 2010
I've been married twice and it aint all it's made out to be. If the gay community wants to take on marriage, all power to them.
wagnerianAug 13, 2010
I have gay parents who have married twice, once in 1990, and second time legally in Canada. I'll say that the fight for same sex marriage is not about marriage, per se, but about ending institutional homophobia and shunning of a people. It's about full recognition of citizenship and EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE LAW.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
YES ON 8?