reuters.com— Too hot to be an engineer or prison guard? Good looks can kill a woman's chances of snaring jobs considered masculine, according to a study by the University of Colorado Denver.
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I had the hottest teacher in high school for calculus. I paid attention so much I got an A in the class. Maaaan how I looked forward to that class everyday!
It's not that people didn't think she was hot. But she said she was so hot it got her fired. Sorry, as Leviathan433 said, she wasn't *that* hot.
Besides, in the rare situation where a woman gets fired for being too hot it's because maybe she's flirting with a married man and the wife also works for the company and has the power to fire her or some other rare situation. If I'm, say, a doctor and I have a ridiculously hot secretary, believe me, the last thing I'm going to do is fire her!
I used to be an advisor at an engineering school and had many women come to me saying they were told by employers that they were 'too girly' for the kind of work they wanted to do. It happens all the time.
Didja see the scientific study that this article is talking about..? You're wise not to take expert testimony as fact but you utterly fail at seeing how it supports the actual science we're discussing.
well it would make it easier for the inmates to jerk it... and if she worked in a women's prison it there would be the possibility of hot lesbian sex...
I hired a hot engineering intern once, not a good idea. She was always being distracted by the hound dogs. People from other departments were always walking into the office. I had to call HR several times.
I'd actually rather buy my own drinks than be obligated to talk to someone who seems to believe that attractive women are a separate species without a problem in the world. You may find this shocking--but being attractive has done f**k all to help with my depression. If anything, it's made it worse, as I seem to bring out the creepy in yuppies, which is the last thing my neurotic ass needs.
RattusRattus is right. The hotter the girl the more mental issues they have. I've met some very attractive women that cutting marks and the such. Or the ones that are drop dead gorgeous but desperately want boob jobs, or lip injections because they aren't perfect enough.
I'm hardly going to feel any sympathy though. We all have our own problems.
So are you trying to say that life is *worse* for you as an attractive woman? Sure, there's no perfect situation in life. Everything has its benefits and drawbacks. But you're simply not going to convince anybody that being attractive is detrimental. Who knows why you're depressed. But the, "And I'm so beautiful to boot, so that makes things worse..." is pure bulls**t.
@asoap69
So now you're a psychologist? How many drop dead gorgeous women do you know? Here, let me play psychologist as well. I'm guessing that whether or not a person cuts themselves has *nothing* to do with being too beautiful.
@blackinthemiddle. I hang out with 6-8 drop dead gorgeous women, including 1 professional model, and close friends with 3 sexy ladies. I'm not a psychologist, but this isn't rocket science. Ego and identity are simpler to understand then HTML.
These girls are going through life getting special treatment and special attention just based upon how they look. They are getting offers from dirty old men who want to buy them gifts in exchange for sex. When you approach one of these women at a party or something, they know why you're talking to them. They know this is just based upon how they look. Then it gets even more messed up because some of them want more and more attention, they want attention from for example, pro athletes. So they get hooked on becoming more and more beautiful, which is when the bigger boobs come out, the lip injections.
Now for the cutting. I'm not saying every person that cuts themselves is too beautiful. If you assumed that, then you're an idiot. Now sit back, and follow this logic.
- Beautiful girls are more likely to have mental disorders because of how they are treated.
- People with mental disorders tend to cut themselves in a cry for help, or frustration, or in the case of being beautiful to even uglify themselves up.
The same thing goes for women who believe they are unnatractive. Is the next thing you're going to tell me that women are annorexic because they think they're too skinny?
So based on your large sampling size of "six to eight" drop dead gorgeous women and your own admission that you're not a psychologist, you still don't feel like an absolute jackass for stating that beautiful girls are more likely to have mental disorders? Seriously, dude, shut the f**k up! You're embarrassing yourself!!!
No, I'm not saying it's worse, but attractive women hardly lead charmed lives that most people assume they do. Also--notice the "if" in the sentence; I'm saying if it has affected my problems, more likely it's made them worse. Frankly, some dude pulling over in his SUV to leer at my t**s makes me want to crawl back into bed. Nor am I very fond of the fact that men just wander over to me to pat my tattoos and piercings. My main point is attractive women are people, just like you, who have problems. A certain subset of society treating you differently isn't going to magically negate those problems. Being an attractive woman doesn't automatically mean you're going to use your looks to manipulate people for money, etc. I work in a research lab, my boyfriend isn't rich, and while I think he's hot, he's not considered to be particularly attractive by society at large. He's not hideous either, but if he was, it wouldn't affect the reasons that I like him.
I know we all like to sit around and bitch about how some people have it so easy, but really, if we're going to call bulls**t on something, I would have to say it's the idea that some subset of the population has life handed to them. It's like when people start talking about welfare and how black people have it so easy because of all these programs to help them--it's total bulls**t. Not the best example, as the quantity of bulls**t in that statement is higher than the quantity in Ronin801's statement, but you get the idea.
Also--while I don't agree with asoap69 that being attractive makes women crazy, I think we can all agree, that anyone buying into society's bulls**t stereotypes/ideals, would probably be a little crazy. Look at how men are portrayed on television, or the stereotypes about them. Regardless of anyone's opinions, there's a lot of pressure on women to be attractive. Some women think it's normal to spend their whole lives dieting and fretting about their weight. It's enough to make any sane human being a little bats**t crazy. Although, my particular flavor of bats**t crazy has a strong biochemical basis.
Yet the fact that attractive women get employed for various other jobs over average or ugly woman/people is overlooked. But thats not discrimination right? f**k this backwards society we live in.
f**k those ****s. In an economy like this where capable male servers, who probably used to have more specific and professional jobs, are getting turned down for the lack of cleavage and **** it's only fair that there be some miniscule portion of the world where those qualities don't immediately grant you a job and give you leeway to f**k up more than anyone else.
Its sad but its true. I tried to become a bartender and had to learn the bar and be a barback for almost a year and then....out of no where they hire incompetent chick who just looks good and she was clueless, I mean CLUELESS. And thats how my dreams got shattered.
Dude, when you go to a bar, who would you rather be served by? All things being equal, I want to be served by the slim chick with the nice face and rack.
There are too many damn whiners on this thread. Do you cry because some dudes are 6'6" and better equipped to play basketball than you are? Do you cry because your friend's dad is rich and he won't ever have to worry about money? Do you cry because someone has a natural gift for talking and it opens all kinds of doors for them?
Stop being a bitch. What you're learning is that some people are better equipped to do things. I can work my ass off day and night and become a 90% free throw shooter and Shaq, who's 7'1" and 350 lbs will still kick my ass at basketball. I guess Shaq shattered my dreams.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
blackinthemiddle: He said the person hired was incompetent and thus your statement is retarded. Concidering your post, Grolsch would be the 6'6'' guy better equiped at basketball that doesn't get the job. And yes, this is a form of discrimination thats far too often overlooked.
A) Women get hired for their good looks ALL THE TIME. For the reason diggers have posted (ie. "I'd rather be served by someone with a rack and a nice look). It makes money, which is why people don't get upset about it. Any company that does any form of product sales will tell you that a busty attractive woman would sell more than 5 average/ugly people combined.
@blackinthemiddle, yes most guys would love to check out some hot ass behind the bar but believe it or not most regulars would talk to us (barbacks) because we can actually hold a good conversation with them. On top of that, guy bartenders would actually make more, they would hustle much harder than your average bimbo. But oh well.
Lolololololololol!!! Dude, seriously, if you're going to question someone's intelligence, you should probably know the difference between "your" and "you're", MORON!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
You are 100% accurate. About 5 years ago my co-workers and I all applied within the company to get this marketing job that opened up. Instead, they hired a hot chick in a mini-skirt.
The real kick in the face? She had to sit with us with a pen and paper so WE could tell her how to do her job.
Why don't you burn your bra and fight for emancipation?
Seriously, there is ALWAYS going to be people DISCRIMINATED against because businesses want whomever will make them the most money. The issue is; if your qualifications are the same.
If you think you can be attractive to MORE MEN who go into that bar and get them buying drinks -- then you've got a case.
The real problem is a lack of jobs and an economy that rewards companies that outsource. NOT women stealing jobs now that male dominated jobs are drying up. If you could be a banker instead of a bartender -- then you wouldn't be complaining -- am I right?
"Seriously, there is ALWAYS going to be people DISCRIMINATED against because businesses want whomever will make them the most money. The issue is; if your qualifications are the same."
but thats the point, if their going to complain about being too "pretty" for the job then f**k them. Discrimination either applies to ALL parties or none.
Yet your perfectly comfortable with it being changed to suit whatever need the person wants. Which is retarded.
I work in a IT department for the government. Last year they hired a fairly hot contractor. She was a bitch and used her looks with the supervisor to get what she wanted over everyone else.I'm glad she left...her contract was up!
I also work in an IT department for the government. We can't find any hot chicks to take on board. Reason being is that CS departments are amazingly short on hot chicks. :(
Yeah, there is one hot girl (two girls total) in my mechanical engineering class of 63 people and the only reason she hasn't failed multiple classes is because she goes to every professor's office after every test and does the "puppy dog" look and complains for sometimes thirty minutes to get points back.
Sounds like an out-of-the-box thinker. She wins. Real question is why you haven't been caught stalking her? I mean if you know for sure she is doing this with every professor and after every test.
When I worked in retail, I encountered multiple managers who purposely never hired attractive women (generally over protestations from the staff). They all had the same logic: "hot" girls generally had too many hangers-on, too many men would try to flirt with them, and they were more likely to spend their shifts on the phone. Their logic, not mine, I swear...
But once I graduated to the white collar business world, that logic flipped 180 degrees. Attractive women not only are favored but generally considered smarter and more "hireable" then their unattractive peers.
Goes with men too though. There have been studies that attractive people make a certain percentage more than similarly qualified normal to ugmo folks. Part of it is looks but also part of it is personality. Good looking folks tend to be more comfortable in group environments and communication.
It isn't sexism to state that there are jobs that men would be better at and jobs that women would be better at. If you think men and women have 100% the same skill set, you're crazy. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
"Well, I type about 90 words a minute. I’m completely well-versed in all IBM and Macintosh programs.
"Well Miss Coggins you're ah, obviously qualified for the job. You've all the necessary skills and experience. But you're extremely attractive. you're gorgeous. I’m looking at you, I can't even remember my name. So ah, I’m afraid this is not going to work out. Thanks for coming in."
"You're luscious. You're ravishing. I would give up red meat just to get a glimpse of you in a bra. I’m terribly sorry."
I like how it shows a random 9 year old photo with no discernible features as an "attractive woman." Oh, wait, the one thing that is discernible is that she's smoking, which means she isn't attractive.
No. They. Don't. If you're a chick that smokes, you're not hot. Especially if you've been smoking for more than 6 months. Smoking deteriorates a person face so it isn't even possible for them to be hot. Maybe under certain lighting, but at the end of the day, chicks that are lame enough to smoke are completely disgusting. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
A. They get away with it while they are still hot.
B. It takes a lot longer than six months, unless you are a 4 pack a day chain smoker.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 95% of men will not consider smoking to be a deal breaker if the woman is hot. Especially if she smokes after.....
I really have a hard time believing a woman can't get a job as an engineer because they're too hot. As for the rest I suppose it's possible, but I look at it like their looks are an asset for getting certain jobs, but a real asset for getting others. So they're really ahead of the game.
I stopped letting women -- especially the hot ones -- on the bus first and offering them my seat (the ones capable of standing, at least). They will get free passes elsewhere in life so I like to think I'm building their character.
Besides, I'm happily married...no need to impress anyone.
Nope. If I ever expand my own business, I will hire men, and men only. Cheaper healthcare costs, unlikely to lose them for weeks to baby time, and the workplace drama is considerably less.
Every single 20s something female that has come through my full-time place of employment the past 3 years is a PITA. No thanks.
I wish there were more hot, female engineers we Computer, Electrical, CS, Chem, Material, Med engineers can't just do with hot secretaries.
On that note, I went to NCSU for my undergrad and my main building is right next to Red Hats office and the one thing I observed the most is all the hot, young female workers heading to work. If there no guys working in that building? Or is every programmer allowed a secretary budget, or has Red Hat employ the single largest supply of attractive female programmers?
My mother was the deputy superintendent of a maximum security mens prison and just before retirement, acting warden. Before I could even get into the prison a guard would stop me and get my information and always ask me to button up my blouse or pull down the hem of my skirt (and when I was in high school I looked pretty lame so imagine an awkward teen nun looking even more prudish).
I once got to attend a play by the prisoners held in the back of the building and all the women were surrounded by guards 5 rows away from the "good" prisoners. If the men are willing to screw an inmate with a mop on his head, they are more than willing to take down an attractive prison guard.
At the bank I worked at this new HR guy would hire only attractive women. Every time we would see a HOPA woman waiting to talk with him. We knew she was coming on board. Once he hired the hottest woman I have ever seen. She was so hot the department she worked in had to fire her because all the guys would stand around her cube and productivity went way down. Now to mention her hotness and attention she was getting from men pissed off all the women there.
"In every other kind of job, attractive women were preferred. This wasn't the case with men which shows that there is still a double standard when it comes to gender."
Seriously. If there's one looks/gender combination that does not have rough it is hot women. Ugly men can still make up for things, if they are smart. And unlike attractive men, attractive women don't have to be smart to do well professionally.
I will stand my ground and hire an attractive woman! ...
but "as a prison guard" -- no, I think you actually WANT them to look as manly as possible in that instance. Seriously -- who doesn't think a pretty frail girl wouldn't become the object of affection rather than the guard in most prisons whether populated by men or women?
while i agree that being hot isn't grounds for firing someone, sometimes it isn't really a question of having a pretty face, but a question of dressing appropriately. when you go to work looking like a supermodel with your cleavage hanging out and your skirt barely covering your ass, i think it's fair to say that you look too hot to look professional. being fired for being naturally good-looking is one thing, but all workers should be expected to look presentable. i find it hilarious how many people i see show up for an interview looking like sorority girls looking for good times.
I'm an engineer at a manufacturing company and they once tried a female engineer. She only lasted 3 months, after making a mess of herself everyday for crying because she had a hard time understanding the company's manufacturing process, she sued for sexual harassment. Which was honestly BS.
I'm not saying all women engineers would be balloons of emotional distress, but companies are very skeptical about hiring a female on a predominant male area because of problems like this.
I call shenanigans. Attractive women just don't get turned down for work, period. If they're stupid and unqualified they eventually get let go, but they definitely get hired to start out. Unless of course the hiring manager has self esteem and jealousy issues, and of course, female also.
I'm sorry, but I fully agree with not having attractive women as prison guards.
It would be like throwing fresh meant to a pack of wild dogs.
There's a reason why they tell even the homeliest looking women to not show any skin or to say or do anything that could even remotely be interpreted as sexual. Some of these men have not touched a woman in years or decades, and the temptation for some of them is simply too much for them to resist, especially the "lifers" who have little to nothing left to lose.
Put an attractive female in some of these prisons, and you might as well hang a big "Rape Me" sign around her neck.
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As for some of the other male-dominated positions, productivity does play a role in the decision making process. It may not be right, it may not even be legal. But it's reality. While there are exceptions, an attractive female is not as physically strong as her male counterparts, and it's very likely will simply not be able to keep up with everybody else. Further, if a bunch of guys are wasting time whistling, catcalling, and trying to figure out how to f**k the hottie that just got hired last week, productivity overall suffers. Yes, this does happen. Yes, it is taken under consideration -- a woman who may not be able to keep up and is drawing the attention of the men who are now not entirely paying attention to their jobs is a liability in terms of productivity. It becomes very difficult to get rid of her without facing the possibility of lawsuits, so it's just easier to avoid the situation by not hiring her at all.
I have a feeling this is about attractive women (or women who consider themselves attractive) thinking they deserve everything they want, and looking for something to blame when they're actually turned down for something. AKA "don't hate me because I'm beautiful"
bonesehAug 10, 2010
I had the hottest teacher in high school for calculus. I paid attention so much I got an A in the class. Maaaan how I looked forward to that class everyday!
cannabistAug 11, 2010
Yeah, I know what you mean. The best thing about English class was my teacher's huge ass.
ronin801Aug 11, 2010
I had Mrs. Mann, a form NFL cheerleader for English. Only teachers name I still remember 10 years later.
vtbarreraAug 10, 2010
Reminds me of that banker that was fired for being too hot.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
That lady was fooling herself. She wasn't that hot.
ronin801Aug 11, 2010
really...? you don't think Debrahlee Lorenzana is hot? I would love to know who you do think is hot, or what your GF looks like.
dweller99Aug 11, 2010
she had sharp knees.
blackinthmiddleAug 11, 2010
@ronin801
It's not that people didn't think she was hot. But she said she was so hot it got her fired. Sorry, as Leviathan433 said, she wasn't *that* hot.
Besides, in the rare situation where a woman gets fired for being too hot it's because maybe she's flirting with a married man and the wife also works for the company and has the power to fire her or some other rare situation. If I'm, say, a doctor and I have a ridiculously hot secretary, believe me, the last thing I'm going to do is fire her!
vitriolandangstAug 11, 2010
So the score at half time is 33,216,201 to 1, so I guess we've got to worry about the ONE TIME someone lost by being attractive now.
nick217Aug 10, 2010
Yet, this doesn't seem to ever actually happen.
doomAug 11, 2010
I used to be an advisor at an engineering school and had many women come to me saying they were told by employers that they were 'too girly' for the kind of work they wanted to do. It happens all the time.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
As if i'm going to take some random guy on the internet's story as proof. They could have been bulls**tting you for all you know.
doomAug 17, 2010
Didja see the scientific study that this article is talking about..? You're wise not to take expert testimony as fact but you utterly fail at seeing how it supports the actual science we're discussing.
thethirdiAug 10, 2010
Um, would you want an attractive woman as a prison guard?
solkreAug 11, 2010
As a convict using a stolen smart-phone shoved up my cellmates ass to Digg... yes.
mburke1124Aug 11, 2010
well it would make it easier for the inmates to jerk it... and if she worked in a women's prison it there would be the possibility of hot lesbian sex...
hipmanAug 11, 2010
lol no way she's in a male prison.They'd take her down asap.
phucktardedAug 11, 2010
ooohhh scissor me timbers
tarantulusAug 11, 2010
generally attractive!=muscular, so she wouldn't have the required attributes.
fattestfootAug 11, 2010
That chick who did Playboy recently was pretty hot and a prison guard. Jessie Lunderby.
therightcliqueAug 11, 2010
Everything you see in Playboy is real! That's what photography actually looks like!
drmangrumAug 10, 2010
They only way I could see this being the case is if the hiring manager thinks she would be a distraction to the rest of the team.
wishninjaAug 11, 2010
I hired a hot engineering intern once, not a good idea. She was always being distracted by the hound dogs. People from other departments were always walking into the office. I had to call HR several times.
zeeakzAug 10, 2010
If the work is someway related to getting clients then I am sure that attractive women can get a lot more than others.
cyberdactylAug 11, 2010
Ahh, so THAT's why I'm having such a damn hard time finding a job!
whipnetAug 11, 2010
Oh no!!! The crimes against innocent attractive women!! When will it end????
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ronin801Aug 11, 2010
I know QQ...they have it so rough. They never buy drinks at bars, and people fawn all over them. Rough life.
rattusrattusAug 11, 2010
I'd actually rather buy my own drinks than be obligated to talk to someone who seems to believe that attractive women are a separate species without a problem in the world. You may find this shocking--but being attractive has done f**k all to help with my depression. If anything, it's made it worse, as I seem to bring out the creepy in yuppies, which is the last thing my neurotic ass needs.
asoap69Aug 11, 2010
RattusRattus is right. The hotter the girl the more mental issues they have. I've met some very attractive women that cutting marks and the such. Or the ones that are drop dead gorgeous but desperately want boob jobs, or lip injections because they aren't perfect enough.
I'm hardly going to feel any sympathy though. We all have our own problems.
theundertokerAug 11, 2010
Oh, poor baby.
STFU Rattus.
blackinthmiddleAug 11, 2010
@Rattus
So are you trying to say that life is *worse* for you as an attractive woman? Sure, there's no perfect situation in life. Everything has its benefits and drawbacks. But you're simply not going to convince anybody that being attractive is detrimental. Who knows why you're depressed. But the, "And I'm so beautiful to boot, so that makes things worse..." is pure bulls**t.
@asoap69
So now you're a psychologist? How many drop dead gorgeous women do you know? Here, let me play psychologist as well. I'm guessing that whether or not a person cuts themselves has *nothing* to do with being too beautiful.
asoap69Aug 11, 2010
@blackinthemiddle. I hang out with 6-8 drop dead gorgeous women, including 1 professional model, and close friends with 3 sexy ladies. I'm not a psychologist, but this isn't rocket science. Ego and identity are simpler to understand then HTML.
These girls are going through life getting special treatment and special attention just based upon how they look. They are getting offers from dirty old men who want to buy them gifts in exchange for sex. When you approach one of these women at a party or something, they know why you're talking to them. They know this is just based upon how they look. Then it gets even more messed up because some of them want more and more attention, they want attention from for example, pro athletes. So they get hooked on becoming more and more beautiful, which is when the bigger boobs come out, the lip injections.
Now for the cutting. I'm not saying every person that cuts themselves is too beautiful. If you assumed that, then you're an idiot. Now sit back, and follow this logic.
- Beautiful girls are more likely to have mental disorders because of how they are treated.
- People with mental disorders tend to cut themselves in a cry for help, or frustration, or in the case of being beautiful to even uglify themselves up.
The same thing goes for women who believe they are unnatractive. Is the next thing you're going to tell me that women are annorexic because they think they're too skinny?
blackinthmiddleAug 11, 2010
@asoap69 or should I say, Dr. Phil
So based on your large sampling size of "six to eight" drop dead gorgeous women and your own admission that you're not a psychologist, you still don't feel like an absolute jackass for stating that beautiful girls are more likely to have mental disorders? Seriously, dude, shut the f**k up! You're embarrassing yourself!!!
rattusrattusAug 12, 2010
@blackinthemiddle
No, I'm not saying it's worse, but attractive women hardly lead charmed lives that most people assume they do. Also--notice the "if" in the sentence; I'm saying if it has affected my problems, more likely it's made them worse. Frankly, some dude pulling over in his SUV to leer at my t**s makes me want to crawl back into bed. Nor am I very fond of the fact that men just wander over to me to pat my tattoos and piercings. My main point is attractive women are people, just like you, who have problems. A certain subset of society treating you differently isn't going to magically negate those problems. Being an attractive woman doesn't automatically mean you're going to use your looks to manipulate people for money, etc. I work in a research lab, my boyfriend isn't rich, and while I think he's hot, he's not considered to be particularly attractive by society at large. He's not hideous either, but if he was, it wouldn't affect the reasons that I like him.
I know we all like to sit around and bitch about how some people have it so easy, but really, if we're going to call bulls**t on something, I would have to say it's the idea that some subset of the population has life handed to them. It's like when people start talking about welfare and how black people have it so easy because of all these programs to help them--it's total bulls**t. Not the best example, as the quantity of bulls**t in that statement is higher than the quantity in Ronin801's statement, but you get the idea.
rattusrattusAug 12, 2010
Also--while I don't agree with asoap69 that being attractive makes women crazy, I think we can all agree, that anyone buying into society's bulls**t stereotypes/ideals, would probably be a little crazy. Look at how men are portrayed on television, or the stereotypes about them. Regardless of anyone's opinions, there's a lot of pressure on women to be attractive. Some women think it's normal to spend their whole lives dieting and fretting about their weight. It's enough to make any sane human being a little bats**t crazy. Although, my particular flavor of bats**t crazy has a strong biochemical basis.
mikefromamericaAug 11, 2010
Also discriminated against: rich white men.
vitriolandangstAug 11, 2010
Shhh, the Republicans might start taking up that cause.
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Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Yet the fact that attractive women get employed for various other jobs over average or ugly woman/people is overlooked. But thats not discrimination right? f**k this backwards society we live in.
mikbunnAug 11, 2010
Attractive women are generally somewhat slender, and a bunch of these jobs require physical strength and a commanding presence.
tarantulusAug 11, 2010
dugg for common f**king sense.
taiyoryuAug 11, 2010
Nothing a whip and a little leather can't fix
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
dugg for truth "little leather"
chingy1788Aug 11, 2010
What about Computer/Software Engineering? We tend to sit on out asses every day
perhaps thats requires too little physical strength
reddfoxx1562Aug 11, 2010
f**k those ****s. In an economy like this where capable male servers, who probably used to have more specific and professional jobs, are getting turned down for the lack of cleavage and **** it's only fair that there be some miniscule portion of the world where those qualities don't immediately grant you a job and give you leeway to f**k up more than anyone else.
rockynAug 11, 2010
projecting much?
hipmanAug 11, 2010
Calm down....
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grolschAug 11, 2010
Its sad but its true. I tried to become a bartender and had to learn the bar and be a barback for almost a year and then....out of no where they hire incompetent chick who just looks good and she was clueless, I mean CLUELESS. And thats how my dreams got shattered.
applyscienceAug 11, 2010
ALL your dreams got shattered when an expected move by a bar replaced you with a hot female? ok...
blackinthmiddleAug 11, 2010
Dude, when you go to a bar, who would you rather be served by? All things being equal, I want to be served by the slim chick with the nice face and rack.
There are too many damn whiners on this thread. Do you cry because some dudes are 6'6" and better equipped to play basketball than you are? Do you cry because your friend's dad is rich and he won't ever have to worry about money? Do you cry because someone has a natural gift for talking and it opens all kinds of doors for them?
Stop being a bitch. What you're learning is that some people are better equipped to do things. I can work my ass off day and night and become a 90% free throw shooter and Shaq, who's 7'1" and 350 lbs will still kick my ass at basketball. I guess Shaq shattered my dreams.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
blackinthemiddle: He said the person hired was incompetent and thus your statement is retarded. Concidering your post, Grolsch would be the 6'6'' guy better equiped at basketball that doesn't get the job. And yes, this is a form of discrimination thats far too often overlooked.
A) Women get hired for their good looks ALL THE TIME. For the reason diggers have posted (ie. "I'd rather be served by someone with a rack and a nice look). It makes money, which is why people don't get upset about it. Any company that does any form of product sales will tell you that a busty attractive woman would sell more than 5 average/ugly people combined.
B) Your a moron blackinthmiddle.
grolschAug 11, 2010
@blackinthemiddle, yes most guys would love to check out some hot ass behind the bar but believe it or not most regulars would talk to us (barbacks) because we can actually hold a good conversation with them. On top of that, guy bartenders would actually make more, they would hustle much harder than your average bimbo. But oh well.
blackinthmiddleAug 11, 2010
From Galgori:
"B) Your a moron blackinthmiddle."
Lolololololololol!!! Dude, seriously, if you're going to question someone's intelligence, you should probably know the difference between "your" and "you're", MORON!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
marx2kAug 11, 2010
Pipes need cleaning?
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Lighten up Francis.
couragewulfAug 11, 2010
You are 100% accurate. About 5 years ago my co-workers and I all applied within the company to get this marketing job that opened up. Instead, they hired a hot chick in a mini-skirt.
The real kick in the face? She had to sit with us with a pen and paper so WE could tell her how to do her job.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
she wins.
blackinthmiddleAug 11, 2010
That's life, buddy. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Like geodebug said, she won this time.
vitriolandangstAug 11, 2010
Why don't you burn your bra and fight for emancipation?
Seriously, there is ALWAYS going to be people DISCRIMINATED against because businesses want whomever will make them the most money. The issue is; if your qualifications are the same.
If you think you can be attractive to MORE MEN who go into that bar and get them buying drinks -- then you've got a case.
The real problem is a lack of jobs and an economy that rewards companies that outsource. NOT women stealing jobs now that male dominated jobs are drying up. If you could be a banker instead of a bartender -- then you wouldn't be complaining -- am I right?
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
"Seriously, there is ALWAYS going to be people DISCRIMINATED against because businesses want whomever will make them the most money. The issue is; if your qualifications are the same."
but thats the point, if their going to complain about being too "pretty" for the job then f**k them. Discrimination either applies to ALL parties or none.
Yet your perfectly comfortable with it being changed to suit whatever need the person wants. Which is retarded.
shivamanAug 11, 2010
I work in a IT department for the government. Last year they hired a fairly hot contractor. She was a bitch and used her looks with the supervisor to get what she wanted over everyone else.I'm glad she left...her contract was up!
marx2kAug 11, 2010
I also work in an IT department for the government. We can't find any hot chicks to take on board. Reason being is that CS departments are amazingly short on hot chicks. :(
frostbytAug 11, 2010
Did you fap into her chair after she left?
kanockAug 11, 2010
I'd be happy to give them a job to do, if you know what I mean.
rockynAug 11, 2010
what do you mean?
hipmanAug 11, 2010
Think about it....
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Give them a job writing better innuendo for you?
fedakAug 11, 2010
I somehow doubt that discrimination is causing a widespread shunning of attractive women from engineering positions...
sonorguyAug 11, 2010
Yeah, there is one hot girl (two girls total) in my mechanical engineering class of 63 people and the only reason she hasn't failed multiple classes is because she goes to every professor's office after every test and does the "puppy dog" look and complains for sometimes thirty minutes to get points back.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Sounds like an out-of-the-box thinker. She wins. Real question is why you haven't been caught stalking her? I mean if you know for sure she is doing this with every professor and after every test.
sonorguyAug 11, 2010
Considering she brags about it every time it's not difficult to know.
hyperianAug 11, 2010
it's ok to admit you stalk hot chicks
stackoleeAug 11, 2010
When I worked in retail, I encountered multiple managers who purposely never hired attractive women (generally over protestations from the staff). They all had the same logic: "hot" girls generally had too many hangers-on, too many men would try to flirt with them, and they were more likely to spend their shifts on the phone. Their logic, not mine, I swear...
But once I graduated to the white collar business world, that logic flipped 180 degrees. Attractive women not only are favored but generally considered smarter and more "hireable" then their unattractive peers.
Just my observations :)
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Goes with men too though. There have been studies that attractive people make a certain percentage more than similarly qualified normal to ugmo folks. Part of it is looks but also part of it is personality. Good looking folks tend to be more comfortable in group environments and communication.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
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andyb747Aug 11, 2010
If you are going to have to go after a man's job you have to at least look the part.
doomAug 11, 2010
/facepalm There's so much wrong with this statement I don't even know where to begin. A Man's Job..? Really..?
andyb747Aug 11, 2010
terrible reply.
therightcliqueAug 11, 2010
It isn't sexism to state that there are jobs that men would be better at and jobs that women would be better at. If you think men and women have 100% the same skill set, you're crazy. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
shmike9Aug 11, 2010
Hardware salesperson, prison guard and tow-truck driver.
...The poor dahlings.
rawonthegoshowAug 11, 2010
I can think of two positions for this type of woman: Cowgirl, Reverse Cowgirl.
ronin801Aug 11, 2010
And the winner of the thread is...RAWonthegosho. Good job mate. lol
blackhole82Aug 11, 2010
giggity
therightcliqueAug 11, 2010
What about Reverse Pig Girl? Or a Reverse Paul Bunyon? America wants to know.
superhaas2000Aug 11, 2010
Obvious of the day award.
davidlowAug 11, 2010
If this were a centrally planned economy then this article would be relevant.
hipmanAug 11, 2010
what?.
sodasevenAug 11, 2010
"Well, I type about 90 words a minute. I’m completely well-versed in all IBM and Macintosh programs.
"Well Miss Coggins you're ah, obviously qualified for the job. You've all the necessary skills and experience. But you're extremely attractive. you're gorgeous. I’m looking at you, I can't even remember my name. So ah, I’m afraid this is not going to work out. Thanks for coming in."
"You're luscious. You're ravishing. I would give up red meat just to get a glimpse of you in a bra. I’m terribly sorry."
askantikAug 11, 2010
I like how it shows a random 9 year old photo with no discernible features as an "attractive woman." Oh, wait, the one thing that is discernible is that she's smoking, which means she isn't attractive.
frumblerAug 11, 2010
Hot women get away with smoking too.
therightcliqueAug 11, 2010
No. They. Don't. If you're a chick that smokes, you're not hot. Especially if you've been smoking for more than 6 months. Smoking deteriorates a person face so it isn't even possible for them to be hot. Maybe under certain lighting, but at the end of the day, chicks that are lame enough to smoke are completely disgusting. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
frumblerAug 11, 2010
A. They get away with it while they are still hot.
B. It takes a lot longer than six months, unless you are a 4 pack a day chain smoker.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 95% of men will not consider smoking to be a deal breaker if the woman is hot. Especially if she smokes after.....
chesdougAug 11, 2010
I really have a hard time believing a woman can't get a job as an engineer because they're too hot. As for the rest I suppose it's possible, but I look at it like their looks are an asset for getting certain jobs, but a real asset for getting others. So they're really ahead of the game.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
"but I look at it like their looks are an asset for getting certain jobs, but a real asset for getting others. So they're really ahead of the game."
The only valid comment about this article. QFT
waspbrAug 11, 2010
too hot to be an engineer? that is he first time I have heard that one.
hypedAug 11, 2010
oh god, those poor, poor attractive women! life is so hard
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
I stopped letting women -- especially the hot ones -- on the bus first and offering them my seat (the ones capable of standing, at least). They will get free passes elsewhere in life so I like to think I'm building their character.
Besides, I'm happily married...no need to impress anyone.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
+damn1 intelligence at its finest.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Can we really blame the hiring managers? With all that blood rushing away from their brain, they're just unable to make rational decisions.
pathouston22Aug 11, 2010
Nope. If I ever expand my own business, I will hire men, and men only. Cheaper healthcare costs, unlikely to lose them for weeks to baby time, and the workplace drama is considerably less.
Every single 20s something female that has come through my full-time place of employment the past 3 years is a PITA. No thanks.
fantasyflamzAug 11, 2010
Wow... how stereotypical and sexist of you.
pathouston22Aug 11, 2010
Stereotypes exist for a reason.
Instead of denial, your should acknowledge your gender's weaknesses. Men have many faults as well, and I would readily agree to them about my gender.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
And please explain how exactly is he sexist?
electrosheepAug 12, 2010
You're a dick, and I hope you f**king fail, in which you most likely will.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
well then.... the woman can always refrain from painting their face with oil products every morning to try and look better than she does
spongya77Aug 11, 2010
So what? They get much better chances on other fields. They still have it better than ugly women.
sweetwater88Aug 11, 2010
I wish there were more hot, female engineers we Computer, Electrical, CS, Chem, Material, Med engineers can't just do with hot secretaries.
On that note, I went to NCSU for my undergrad and my main building is right next to Red Hats office and the one thing I observed the most is all the hot, young female workers heading to work. If there no guys working in that building? Or is every programmer allowed a secretary budget, or has Red Hat employ the single largest supply of attractive female programmers?
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
I'm a wolfpack too...
M.S. M.Engg
sonorguyAug 11, 2010
Yeah, two girls in my class of 63... sad four years...
zombiebovineAug 11, 2010
My mother was the deputy superintendent of a maximum security mens prison and just before retirement, acting warden. Before I could even get into the prison a guard would stop me and get my information and always ask me to button up my blouse or pull down the hem of my skirt (and when I was in high school I looked pretty lame so imagine an awkward teen nun looking even more prudish).
I once got to attend a play by the prisoners held in the back of the building and all the women were surrounded by guards 5 rows away from the "good" prisoners. If the men are willing to screw an inmate with a mop on his head, they are more than willing to take down an attractive prison guard.
wassim2kAug 11, 2010
There are female engineers? Where do they work?
frostbytAug 11, 2010
At the bank I worked at this new HR guy would hire only attractive women. Every time we would see a HOPA woman waiting to talk with him. We knew she was coming on board. Once he hired the hottest woman I have ever seen. She was so hot the department she worked in had to fire her because all the guys would stand around her cube and productivity went way down. Now to mention her hotness and attention she was getting from men pissed off all the women there.
We still talk about her to this day.
thomn8rAug 11, 2010
+1 for HOPA
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
-1 for HOPA. She was hot but I'm not going to reward fake memes.
liabilityAug 11, 2010
More pointless research projects plx!
"In every other kind of job, attractive women were preferred. This wasn't the case with men which shows that there is still a double standard when it comes to gender."
giancarlo1003Aug 11, 2010
I almost feel bad except for the fact that attractive people generally get higher salaries in the long run, so if it's not that job, it'll be another.
ravediggerAug 11, 2010
How hard life must be for attractive women.
urbanetruthAug 11, 2010
Seriously. If there's one looks/gender combination that does not have rough it is hot women. Ugly men can still make up for things, if they are smart. And unlike attractive men, attractive women don't have to be smart to do well professionally.
vitriolandangstAug 11, 2010
I will stand my ground and hire an attractive woman! ...
but "as a prison guard" -- no, I think you actually WANT them to look as manly as possible in that instance. Seriously -- who doesn't think a pretty frail girl wouldn't become the object of affection rather than the guard in most prisons whether populated by men or women?
ishqboliAug 11, 2010
while i agree that being hot isn't grounds for firing someone, sometimes it isn't really a question of having a pretty face, but a question of dressing appropriately. when you go to work looking like a supermodel with your cleavage hanging out and your skirt barely covering your ass, i think it's fair to say that you look too hot to look professional. being fired for being naturally good-looking is one thing, but all workers should be expected to look presentable. i find it hilarious how many people i see show up for an interview looking like sorority girls looking for good times.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
I'm an engineer at a manufacturing company and they once tried a female engineer. She only lasted 3 months, after making a mess of herself everyday for crying because she had a hard time understanding the company's manufacturing process, she sued for sexual harassment. Which was honestly BS.
I'm not saying all women engineers would be balloons of emotional distress, but companies are very skeptical about hiring a female on a predominant male area because of problems like this.
rpatrick819Aug 11, 2010
I think most men would be happy to have these women on their staff in many different positions.
pipedawg101Aug 11, 2010
Ok, I get the prison guard thing. But the cases others seem idiotic and unfair.
shozikuAug 11, 2010
I call shenanigans. Attractive women just don't get turned down for work, period. If they're stupid and unqualified they eventually get let go, but they definitely get hired to start out. Unless of course the hiring manager has self esteem and jealousy issues, and of course, female also.
jackschitttAug 11, 2010
I'm sorry, but I fully agree with not having attractive women as prison guards.
It would be like throwing fresh meant to a pack of wild dogs.
There's a reason why they tell even the homeliest looking women to not show any skin or to say or do anything that could even remotely be interpreted as sexual. Some of these men have not touched a woman in years or decades, and the temptation for some of them is simply too much for them to resist, especially the "lifers" who have little to nothing left to lose.
Put an attractive female in some of these prisons, and you might as well hang a big "Rape Me" sign around her neck.
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As for some of the other male-dominated positions, productivity does play a role in the decision making process. It may not be right, it may not even be legal. But it's reality. While there are exceptions, an attractive female is not as physically strong as her male counterparts, and it's very likely will simply not be able to keep up with everybody else. Further, if a bunch of guys are wasting time whistling, catcalling, and trying to figure out how to f**k the hottie that just got hired last week, productivity overall suffers. Yes, this does happen. Yes, it is taken under consideration -- a woman who may not be able to keep up and is drawing the attention of the men who are now not entirely paying attention to their jobs is a liability in terms of productivity. It becomes very difficult to get rid of her without facing the possibility of lawsuits, so it's just easier to avoid the situation by not hiring her at all.
xboxhuegAug 11, 2010
I have a feeling this is about attractive women (or women who consider themselves attractive) thinking they deserve everything they want, and looking for something to blame when they're actually turned down for something. AKA "don't hate me because I'm beautiful"
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Do attractive women really need jobs?
theundertokerAug 11, 2010
I fully support this type of discrimination.
jerroldsAug 11, 2010
Hot women get the world handed to them on a silver platter. If they had half a brain - theyre pretty much set for life.
Screw this article.
daveruizAug 11, 2010
I hear ugly women get discriminated even more
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
Yea but thats not discrimination. Thats "life" according to most people.
Discrimination has become such a farce.
Closed AccountAug 11, 2010
oh,boohoo, i'm hot and no one will hire me, boohoo