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alheithinnNov 30, 2011
The only thing broken is Pat Robertson's thinking
TheNoizeNov 30, 2011
I would assume religious freaks would WANT to see the christian cross broken and turned upside down - after all, it's the torture device where Jesus was nailed and brutally killed. Why would anyone use that as a symbol of their love for Jesus? It's completely nonsensical.
jgardnerDec 1, 2011
You need to listen more to what Christians really believe.
Hint: Christ's suffering is what makes our redemption possible. Why would we want to ignore that?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
usarugulaDec 1, 2011
And Christian conservatives need to listen more to what the Bible really says:
"Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
Matthew 22:17-21 KJV
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."
Romans 13:2-7 KJV
"Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Matthew 25:34-46 KJV
"He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise."
Luke 3:11 KJV
TheNoizeDec 1, 2011
Your "redemption" is possible because you evolved from folding protein chains that turned into bacteria, millions of years ago. The universe and all its atomic reactions are your creators, not a divine entity. You chose to accept ancient mythology as your reality bubble, probably because you were raised to do so, and never had the courage to rebel. Now you worship a textbook God, and instead of genuinely admiring the glory of his real creation, from the smallest to the largest scale (atomic chemistry, quantum physics, astronomy, biology), you chose to remain ignorant and worship biblical text with no practical information about the real God - the God that created this Universe. Why? Because that very text claims that you're a "sinner" because Adam and Eve were too curious. Curiosity and knowledge are considered evil by your standards, and therefore your "redemption" is based on false assumptions that you are a sinner because of curiosity.
But in reality, you are a sinner because your brain has the power to realize your religion is a complete lie that slowly infects your reasoning - and yet you choose not to think about it.
nickymouseDec 1, 2011
"Because that very text claims that you're a "sinner" because Adam and Eve were too curious. Curiosity and knowledge are considered evil by your standards"
it wasn't curiosity, it was obedience to God. God had one rule, they broke it. So begins the fall of man.
Knowledge, wisdom and faith are celebrated throughout scripture.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
TheNoizeDec 1, 2011
If it wasn't for breaking rules and being able to change the way we think, humanity would be a memory in a planet flourishing with life. Do you really think a hypothetical God would ever care about every single human's obedience? As a man, you're responsible for yourself, and your actions, because that gives you the right to call yourself an rational being. Take the honor, be a good man. You don't need to fear hell to be good. Or do you?
"Knowledge, wisdom and faith are celebrated throughout scripture."
Sorry, every time someone defends knowledge and wisdom in religion, I have to chuckle and remember all the dead "witches" and "heretics" killed for no crimes at all, but to believe in truths such as the Earth being round, and not at the center of the universe. it's almost offensive how some people can still play the devil's advocate (pun intended) and side with religions as an institution (not just the church in particular).
TheNoizeDec 1, 2011
Faith? Faith is the opposite of knowledge and wisdom. Faith is blind, static, dogmatic, stupid. It doesn't adapt, it doesn't empower. It's just there - lying to you.
Hope? Love? Courage? OK, I can get those. You can compare those qualities to curiosity, knowledge and wisdom. Not faith. Faith is your brain in loop mode, closing in on itself, and not accepting reality. The reality that your references are extremely outdated and have more wrongs than rights, more confusion than consistency. And it's forcing you to not accept realities of the world like biology and chemistry, the reasons why you even breathe! So besides lost, it makes you look hypocritical and oblivious.
nickymouseDec 1, 2011
Christianity is not welcomed on Digg good sir.
TheNoizeDec 1, 2011
Hah! What a nerve. Reply to my comments and stop evading. I love how you had to play the "christians are so misunderstood and nice" card. I'm not falling for your bulls**t, bro.
TheNoizeDec 1, 2011
Maybe you need to listen more to the clear indicators that christianity is coocoo and makes no damn sense in a world where science has figured out a lot more about the Universe than all religions put together. In the story of Christ, he suffered and died because of the stubborn bigotry of a bunch of fools. Maybe you should reflect upon that, stop being a stubborn bigot, drop the bible and study real natural sciences to learn what your Lord created in his infinite wisdom.
It's funny to me how religious folks pretend to be always interested in bible studies, yet they are the least educated people in physics, astronomy, chemistry and biology, which describes the world and universe their God actually created. How pathetic.
jgardnerDec 2, 2011
If you think Christianity makes no sense then you do not understand Christianity. After all, perfectly sane people are Christians.
Your options are to stubbornly persist in your foolish idea, or to continue to learn more about what Christians truly believe.
Hint: You're going to have to talk to practicing Christians, not their detractors.
By the way: I have a BS in Physics, minor in Math, graduated with a very high GPA. I also believe Jesus Christ was literally resurrected from the dead. You can insist I am an idiot and insane, or you can try to understand how I correlate the two together.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
TheNoizeDec 2, 2011
" If you think Christianity makes no sense then you do not understand Christianity."
Or maybe I'm right, and christianity makes no sense. You should consider that possibility - because it's true.
" Your options are to stubbornly persist in your foolish idea, or to continue to learn more about what Christians truly believe."
My foolish idea that the world makes more sense when it's actually researched and studied with a critical eye? :P
" Hint: You're going to have to talk to practicing Christians, not their detractors.
By the way: I have a BS in Physics, minor in Math, graduated with a very high GPA. I also believe Jesus Christ was literally resurrected from the dead. You can insist I am an idiot and insane, or you can try to understand how I correlate the two together."
Please, do tell me! I am very interested in understanding that, and I'd love to exchange ideas with you. I have a BS in computer science with a minor in physics, and I cannot see any connection between scripture and science (not just because it obviously doesn't exist, but also because i often wonder) - How DO you correlate physics education with a belief in talking snakes, immortal people and angels in heaven? I'd love to hear it
jgardnerDec 2, 2011
You can't be right, because billions of sensible people believe in Christianity. If Christianity made no sense, then why do billions of sensible people believe in it?
I think a conversation would be nice, but this forum is the wrong place for it. I'll try to summarize as best I can in three paragraphs why I can be a scientist and a Christian.
Point one: The universe is ordered and logical because God said so. There can be no other reason, because then you have circular reasoning. Using logic and reason to prove logic and reason is circular reasoning. (The same applies in so many other sciences: you start with a basic assumption and then run with it. The correct set of assumptions are the assumptions God gives us.)
Point two: Science is the study of the universe, or in other words, the study of God's handiwork. By understanding the laws that God has set down and that govern the universe, you come to understand science. Hence, science is, originally, a uniquely Christian pursuit. All of the great founders of science were Christian who believed God wasn't lying. I believe any scientist who is honestly pursuing truth, and willing to accept the truth no matter what it may be, is doing God's work. (If only every scientist were an angel...)
Point three: Science, at best, can only show facts. While we may invent explanations of those facts, we can never tell which explanation is true. Even if we recorded and documented every event in the history of the universe, we would never arrive at one obvious truth that describes everything. We use things like Occam's Razor to prefer one explanation over another, but there is nothing that says that the simplest explanation must be the best. Explanations (theories) are either right or wrong, and that's all we can really say. "Yes, it agrees with observations," or, "No, it does not agree with observations."
Point four: Science is an imperfect art, so the conclusions of science are no more worthy of worship than idols made of gold or stone. Only perfection (God) is worthy of our worship. Therefore, even if you could prove to me something that contradicted God's word, I would say, "Yes, that's what the evidence points to, but I still believe in God." In other words, people who "believe" in science the same way I believe in God are worshiping dumb idols.
Point five: The parts of my life that are important are my soul, my happiness, and my eternal salvation. Science provides me no more comfort than a car or food. My soul hungers for the companionship of Deity, and science can never satisfy that.
There is so much more to life than the universe around us. We are more than meatbags that happen to have interesting electrical patterns in our skulls. Science doesn't tell me that.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
TheNoizeDec 2, 2011
I'm serious when I say I'd like to discuss that. Talking to practicing christians is always so difficult. They're very evasive and closed, and they're always the first ones to run from the conversation when it gets too technical. Please don't be one of those!
jgardnerDec 2, 2011
We send pairs of missionaries out all over the world, and train them to speak in the native language of the population they work among. You can identify them by their white shirts, suit & tie, and their black name tags that say, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Feel free to engage them in as much conversation as you like, but let them tell you what they believe and why, rather than trying to pick on pointless details that we don't feel are important.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
TheNoizeDec 2, 2011
Yes, I have missionaries in my family (one of them, my cousin, and I've had endless arguments with him about this). But the motivation of a missionary is not to discuss if their beliefs are right or wrong. Their point is to evangelize and convert people. If you consider the possibility that you're converting people to the wrong beliefs, don't you feel a little guilty?
Pointless details? Reality and facts are pointless details? Wow :) You people don't care if you sound completely coocoo, do you? Then how the heck are you going to convince sane people that you're the ones to believe in?
TheNoizeDec 2, 2011
"You can't be right, because billions of sensible people believe in Christianity. If Christianity made no sense, then why do billions of sensible people believe in it?"
OK where to start? Well, the world has 6-7 billions of people, so I'd be hard pressed to believe there's "billions" of christians out there. Probably several million or about a billion, tops. But ok, lets assume "billions" of people that you (a christian) consider sensible. I'm surprised that you started your argument talking about the quantity of people that believe in it - that is by no means evidence of anything. Most people in 1500 believed the world was flat, because the bible mentions 4 corners and a "dome" with stars. Are you insinuating they were correct because they were the majority?
"Point one: The universe is ordered and logical because God said so. There can be no other reason, because then you have circular reasoning. Using logic and reason to prove logic and reason is circular reasoning. (The same applies in so many other sciences: you start with a basic assumption and then run with it. The correct set of assumptions are the assumptions God gives us.)"
The universe is by no means ordered and logical, according to science. It's actually mind-blowingly chaotic, in ways no human can understand (our brains are structured to organize information in order to understand patterns, and use them to survive). It's not by circular reasoning - it starts with no reasoning, just observation. "Seeing is believing". But you're right, religion departs from a dogma imposed by the church - science stars with objective observation, and then formulates theories, not according to a book - but according to measurable, observable reality. Doesn't that sound more reliable to you?
"Point two: Science is the study of the universe, or in other words, the study of God's handiwork. By understanding the laws that God has set down and that govern the universe, you come to understand science. Hence, science is, originally, a uniquely Christian pursuit. All of the great founders of science were Christian who believed God wasn't lying. I believe any scientist who is honestly pursuing truth, and willing to accept the truth no matter what it may be, is doing God's work. (If only every scientist were an angel...)"
I partially agree, because a lost of scientists were religious in a time when almost everyone was. But my question to you is: how do you cope when science finds things that are different than what religion found to be true? List of true discoveries that took a while (or are still taking) for religion to accept: round earth, earth not the center of the universe, earth orbiting the sun, bats not being birds, evolution and natural selection. I remind you that, before the church admitted their errors, it tortured and killed innocent people who defended the scientific truth, for hundreds of years. Doesn't that make you sad? To be associated with such an institution?
"Point three: Science, at best, can only show facts. While we may invent explanations of those facts, we can never tell which explanation is true."
Well, those facts are clarified by more facts. Explanations are based on facts - the more facts science discovers, the closer it gets to the real explanation, and therefore the universal reality.
"Even if we recorded and documented every event in the history of the universe, we would never arrive at one obvious truth that describes everything."
How do you know that?
"We use things like Occam's Razor to prefer one explanation over another, but there is nothing that says that the simplest explanation must be the best."
Occam's razor only steps in when you're truly confused about which explanation is more factual and makes more sense... That rarely happens in science. You usually have at least 1 theory that has been more supported - and historically, that theory is usually the one that ends up being true!
"Explanations (theories) are either right or wrong, and that's all we can really say. "Yes, it agrees with observations," or, "No, it does not agree with observations.""
Isn't that brilliant? That means you'll only believe something if you have facts to back it up. How mentally sane and stable is that?
"Point four: Science is an imperfect art, so the conclusions of science are no more worthy of worship than idols made of gold or stone. Only perfection (God) is worthy of our worship. Therefore, even if you could prove to me something that contradicted God's word, I would say, "Yes, that's what the evidence points to, but I still believe in God." In other words, people who "believe" in science the same way I believe in God are worshiping dumb idols."
Science is imperfect? How about religion? What's more perfect? A castle solidly build out of facts, or a palace on a cloud of assumptions that were vaguely extracted from ancient, outdated scripture, that we have no evidence to be actually the word of a God?
"Point five: The parts of my life that are important are my soul, my happiness, and my eternal salvation. Science provides me no more comfort than a car or food. My soul hungers for the companionship of Deity, and science can never satisfy that."
My soul finds awe and respect for the Universe in science, and that satisfies my spirituality. Spirituality and religion have been tied to the belief that YOUR beliefs are true and correct, eternally. What better, more fact-based faith can you have, besides science? The parts of my life that are important is my positive influence in the world, my happiness, and the people I love. You're more focused on eternal salvation in your next life (that may or may not exist) than being a good man in this world? I don't think that's very positive, or moral, or ethical.
"There is so much more to life than the universe around us. We are more than meatbags that happen to have interesting electrical patterns in our skulls. Science doesn't tell me that."
Sure, there's philosophy. Why are we here? What's our purpose? Science seeks answers to answer, ultimately, those questions as well. We don't know the answer yet, because we don't have enough information. That doesn't mean we have to assume it's all in the good book, and stop caring for studying our universe. That would be insane. Meat bags? Sure, we're meat bags - but isn't it amazing how we evolved out of single cell organisms and protein chains that started replicating in the primordial seas? It doesn't seem like it was god - it seems like it was the universe itself, and we're merely a part of the way it works. Why? Nothing can tell you that, because no one knows the truth. Religion can pretend to give you the truth - and you can believe in it 100% - but that doesn't mean it's the truth! If you know history (and philosophy), you still have to include the possibility that you're believing in lies.
cybersaurNov 30, 2011
Pat Robertson is one of the dumbest f**king idiots on the planet. He's davidniven dumb!
shakagoogooDec 1, 2011
He is also Rearden Retarded and Mollydog Depraved!
Are you thinking what I am thinking?
neondistractionDec 1, 2011
I'm surprised he hasn't showed up yet. He's usually all over anything to do with religion and/or politicususa. I guess even trolls need a day off.
pbzenDec 2, 2011
He`s a businessman playing the part of a Christian. He`s a scam artist.
joothichsNov 30, 2011
it is a representation of the semaphore signs for the letters N and D for Nuclear Disarmament.
shivabeachNov 30, 2011
Ever since I found out that Forrest Gump invented :-) I have been very interested in the history of symbols.
If you think about it the nazi(Hindu)swastika isn’t that far off from a cross either.
Aside from the fact that Pat Robertson should’ve retired over 50 years ago when he was 60, he probably shouldn’t be making comments on stuff that he has no idea about. He is not really any type of a religious leader anymore and while he has a small following made up of people who have followed him forever, he is really reaching to remain meaningful.
evokillDec 1, 2011
Never had any interest in wearing a peace symbol before today...
partrowDec 1, 2011
Pat Robertson is still kicking around?
zombiedogDec 1, 2011
Hey Pat, it;s well past time you followed Jerry to the promised land. Your 15 minutes are up ya old fart.
zordarDec 1, 2011
Because Pat hasn't been in the news for a while...
cosmicsurferNov 30, 2011
Just saw ONTHETRAIL come through and bury this sub so thought I would check it out. Guess he doesn't like Pat Robertson stories. Especially those showing demented Pat for the hypocrite he actually is.
Good catch as usual PoliticusUSA.
I am sure the usual suspects will be threatened as usual
mercedrocksDec 1, 2011
IN other news, WTF cares what Pat Robertson believes?
Blog spam.
jimborickDec 1, 2011
"Hey, Pat". "What?". "f**k you!"
nekokittayDec 1, 2011
The world will be a boring place after Pat finally dies.
bricmptDec 1, 2011
douche.
paladinDec 1, 2011
No, it is the footprint of a dove.
greatsunjesterDec 1, 2011
And my usual taking of a sarcastic opposition position I will resurrect an oldie:
It is the footprint of the american chicken.
thank you... you may now freely click the red button!
app3g3qsielvr1fvhjor8c44326f52Dec 1, 2011
Pat Robertson is still alive?