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muxauloJul 8, 2010
Put down those motion controllers kids, everything is going to be all right.
subatomicdocJul 8, 2010
Fat = energy excess. Consistent exercise, even at low intensity levels, is an important part of fitness along with a healthy diet.
opr8rJul 8, 2010
Excess energy = large portions of high calorie foods.
The (11 year) study found that you have to get control of a kid's diet early or it will have an impact on their behavior.
Thinking back, it makes sense. Fat kids are always last to be picked for the team. They're often left out or relegated to less fun roles during play, because of their weight. No one likes doing something when it hurts their feelings, especially if they're emotionally immature, like kids.
The good thing about science is that it's based on observation and analysis, not presupposition.
rhuzyoJul 9, 2010
that's the lazy fat kids
I have always been fat (bmi between 30-40) but i was picked 2nd or 3rd behind the kids that played w.e sport that day since they were infants
its more so that they probably had no talent or skill for anything physical and ate to feel better or some other namby pansy psychological reason they made up
ajajadudeJul 9, 2010
I don't know, while there weren't too many big kids in my school when I was growing up, I never minded having them on my teams. Hell, you want the fat kids who are twice the size of everyone else because everyone on the other team was too afraid to defend him.
rhawk187Jul 9, 2010
Yeah, I threw shot put and hammer for a Division I college and I've always been overweight. Just because you exercise doesn't necessarily mean you'll be thin. I just need to lay off the double cheeseburgers.
darkray16Jul 9, 2010
Food eaten - calories burned = fat stored.
Plenty of gamers and kids who stay at home all day are skinny and don't eat much. So it's not that hard to believe that inactivity isn't the most important factor.
renorkJul 9, 2010
The thing is, people severely overestimate the amount of calories burned by physical activity and severely underestimate the amount of calories in any particular food item. Once you understand the sheer magnitude of physical activity required to burn off the quantity of calories the average American, let alone American child, consumes in even one meal you will begin to understand why physical activity is near irrelevant until we have nutrition/portions under control.
bombulaJul 9, 2010
It's not nearly so simple.
Metabolic rate is controlled by a hugely complex interaction across multiple endocrine and enzymatic systems. If any of those systems gets disrupted or damaged, fat accumulation can result.
That is why a major culprit implicated in the obesity and diabetes epidemics are endocrine disruptors, particular the estrogen mimicking molecules found in plastics, pharmaceuticals and pesticides.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrine_disruptor
marx2kJul 9, 2010
Are you trying to say it's glandular?
mrsteamtankJul 9, 2010
@marx2k
Often this is the case.
ennuistudentJul 9, 2010
But when it comes down to it, it ultimately remains with the energy balance equation.
Calories consumed - calories burned = weight change (up or down).
While hormonal problems can regulate the "calories burned" part of this equation, I have yet to see any studies directly and significantly showing endocrine disrupters have a significant role in weight gain. Do you have any citations? I'm not saying it's an impossibility --- just it needs to be taken into perspective.
It's hormonal effects may be very small, in terms of how it affects weight gain, or very large. We shouldn't jump to conclusions without proper evidence.
I personally believe it's just the quality of food these days has changed so drastically in that the typical "American Diet" that the usual nutrients that give high satiety (high amounts of fiber, whole foods with protein) are increasingly absent. This in affect hurts appetite regulation and suppression. Having calorie-dense junk foods and sodas certainly don't help from this perspective either.
snafflepaffleJul 9, 2010
As pointed out above, exercise has little to do with being overweight or not. BUT! By building lean muscle mass you can increase your metabolism. Muscle burns more calories than fat, even in a resting state.
Plus, if you're going to be skinny why not look good too. Get toned, it's not too difficult.
m0lluskJul 9, 2010
This theory that energy in and out must be in balance turns out to be wrong. How food is digested depends on hunger, and high calorie foods break the appetite the control mechanism and force digestion to stay on in a mode that stores energy as fat without letting the body use the energy. Humans are not hummingbirds and did not evolve to live off sugary syrup.
sciguyajJul 8, 2010
I'm not sure I buy that. Active kids are skinny, kids who sit on the couch all day are...well not!
langfordJul 9, 2010
Yes, but correlation does not imply causation.
reddfoxx1562Jul 9, 2010
First off, "active kids" is so vague it's ridiculous; living beings are active. What level of activity do you mean? Kids ruining their bodies with excessive sportsplay and what not?
Also, those of the "couch potato" variety don't literally sit on the couch all day. And even though I try to do it, I probably look a hell of a lot more fit than you. It must be genetics and my lack of drinking a beer at the end of the day or whatever.
jdw524Jul 9, 2010
RTFA: "And the answer, published recently in Archives of Disease in Childhood, was clear. Physical activity had no impact on weight change, but weight clearly led to less activity."
jack416Jul 9, 2010
A reversed causal relationship, oh shnapz!
snafflepaffleJul 9, 2010
This. It's no fun to engage in physical activity when you're fat. It's just a pain in the ass (and other parts of your body.) Once you get to a more reasonable weight it's a lot easier.
But, as made clear in the article, exercise doesn't effect your weight (except in extreme cases.) It used to be that bed rest was prescribed for obesity, maybe we should go back to that.
thecoinmanJul 9, 2010
RTFAx2: "It is well known that less active children are fatter, but that does not mean -- as most people assume it does -- that inactivity leads to fatness. It could equally well be the other way round: that obesity leads to inactivity."
zenmojoJul 9, 2010
"Science!? What is this science? And how in the world could it possibly contradict common sense!? Common sense is, by its very nature, common and therefore democratically must be the truth!!!!"
bukowskyJul 8, 2010
Sounds bogus to me.
crackshot91Jul 9, 2010
That's why you're the scie-
oh, wait...
drkgodessJul 9, 2010
Right, because a group of highly educated well experienced scientists who ran an ELEVEN YEAR study know less about this topic than you.
/s
tyg10Jul 8, 2010
Uh huh. Sure.
docpowerJul 8, 2010
I have a hard time buying these results. It seems like there has to be a correlation between the fact that the obesity rates in the US have trended upwards as children have spent more time indoors.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
reddfoxx1562Jul 9, 2010
I'm glad you have a solid grasp on what every child does. Perhaps someone should look into that.
jdw524Jul 9, 2010
Correlation does not imply causation.
thecoinmanJul 9, 2010
As a child I spent every hour I possibly could outdoors. Exploring forests, catching bugs and animals, swimming. My parents limited my TV/Nintendo to maybe half an hour a day. I was still a fat kid. I blame food.
bobbi21Jul 9, 2010
someone obviously didn't read the article
darkwater37Jul 8, 2010
It may be that most kids have such a high metabolic rate, except for those that are genetically prone to become overweight, perhaps also might have other factors such as the wrong kind of bacteria in their gut and people, their parents who instill bad eating habits around them. My kids are picky about what they eat and often have to be reminded to eat, otherwise they get cranky and lose too much weight. Not to mention becoming dehydrated in the process. My son is way underweight, I was also at his age. He spends almost all his time in his room playing computer games. He's still very skinny. Same with my daughter, she watches videos and stays mostly in the house outside school. She's thin also. I was told that if they are hungry they will eat and don't need to be badgered to eat. I think some parents that have bad eating habits and genes give their kids a bad start. I can't burn off the weight so easily anymore. I'm not so picky about food as I used to be. It keeps getting tougher to lose it, my father was that way also.
blooieJul 9, 2010
I have tons of asian friends living in asia (china/japan/korea). I consider myself inactive, but these cats are way worse than me. Non-stop video games and computer games. Sitting there whole freaking day and night. You know what, non of them are obese. Their weight would be considered below average in North America. The only thing I could think of is their diet.
Fatty food, fatty parents to blame.
sjsuismylifeJul 9, 2010
Yeah, that's starting to change. I live here in Seoul, and the kids are just as inactive as you say, but they are starting to eat more and more junk food. I am noticing that some of my students are getting a little fat...
bobbi21Jul 9, 2010
yeah. same with 2nd and 3rd generation asian families. The longer asians stay in the west the more likely they'll change diets and get fat.
m0lluskJul 9, 2010
It isn't the fat. This shows clearly in the US where the low fat craze has has changed eating. That makes added sugar and syrup the most likely cause.
blooieJul 9, 2010
I can't end my comment with "Sugary food, sugary parents to blame."
ennuistudentJul 9, 2010
An excessive caloric intake is to blame.
The entire idea behind the low-fat craze was a wild misconception from the start.
1. Scientist begin releasing studies on how low-fat diets trend toward weight loss.
2. Low fat craze begins.
3. Junk food companies release fat-free foods loaded with sugar.
4. People on their low fat diets cram their faces with sugary fat-free cookies with disregard to caloric intake.
The scientists really found that:
- each gram of dietary fat was 9 calories, a gram of carbs or protein is 4 calories each. If you cut out a significant chunk of dietary fat in a typical diet and the person replaced their hunger on carbs/protein, then they tended to eat a lower caloric intake and lose weight.
artlukmJul 9, 2010
A lot of people want to think the lack of exercise among kids today is the reason for obesity. It makes them feel good as they pound back a soda while filling their face with mashed potatoes. Sorry to break it to you, but mowing your 1,000 sq ft lawn isn't nearly enough "exercise" to burn the 2,000 calories you just ate. And while you might think your 20% body fat level is healthy as you sit and laugh at the 300 lb man, just remember than despite what you'd like to believe, humans aren't meant to eat sugar and flour.
There's an overemphasis on physical activity with kids and the general population. The real problem is people are eating like pigs.
bobbi21Jul 9, 2010
while you're right that the exercise isn't enough to burn all the calories, should still remember that it is important.
Being fat and active is much healthier than being fat and inactive and i think is still healthier than being thin and inactive.
artlukmJul 9, 2010
I fully believe in exercise as a way of maintaining health. I exercise as much as I can. Exercise can lead to strong muscles and good cardiovascular fitness. It can also result in fat loss, but it's not an efficient way of losing fat. It's better not to eat the unnecessary calories in the first place.
Closed AccountJul 9, 2010
Don't move your ass, it gets huge. Sorry.
airportbaldyJul 9, 2010
It's no coincidence that the US has more GMOs and high fructose corn syrup fed to its citizenry than any other country.
pandadumpsterJul 9, 2010
Yes it is. Being genetically modified doesn't mean the food has less nutritional value (it often means just the opposite), and high fructose corn syrup is a sugar with a bad reputation - the issue is people ingesting way too much of it.
bobbi21Jul 9, 2010
if you plot obesity and consumption of GMO's you'll see that they don't really correlate well (besides they're both somewhat more recent). Might as well say obesity is due to the rise of apple products.
davidklaJul 9, 2010
Is there any study linking GMOs to obesity?
We've been genetically modifying foods since we domesticated crops and animals.
pimpdawgJul 9, 2010
You're right on HFCS (thank you Iowa senators). But you're wrong about GMOs. GMOs are only responsible for killing the bees. Which makes for less honey, and less competition for HFCS.
elipabstJul 9, 2010
We also have more flat-screen TVs and McDonalds than any other country.
professorriffsJul 9, 2010
It's what they put in our food, particularly in the US. I have a lot of friends from other countries that say if they stay here for a while, they eat the same amount and types of food but all the sudden they start gaining weight. Read the instructions on stuff - I sure as hell don't know what 99% of that s**t is.
It's so easy to order a pizza, hit a drive-thru, or throw something in the oven that real, actual food is in the diets of everyone less and less, children and adults alike. I'm sure being plays a role in this, but again, it's largely what our "food" is made of these days.
Now, I'm not some food nazi or anything; I order a pizza, get chinese take-out, stop at the Bell, etc. But I do it on occasion. Once a week or so. Other than that, I buy meats & veggies, spices, all that, and make my food out of real foods. For a while there, I was eating pure crap 24/7 and was getting quite large. As I gradually began to filter that stuff out, and filter the good stuff in, I feel better from head to toe and my weight has been on a steady decline.
So, parents, do your kids a favor. Feed them FOOD!
bosskeyJul 9, 2010
If you eat like you do in your third paragraph (which I also try to do) you will see another benefit no one can argue with: You'll spend less on food. Sure, eating out costs a lot, but every time you buy a pre-packaged food instead of something you cut up and cooked yourself, you're paying a cut to a middleman.
It's true that there's no pleasure in being a food nazi. I actually enjoy eating out a little more, because there's not much guilt in ordering whatever you want when you've been eating pretty nutritionally the 80% of the time you prep good fresh food at home.
meeohmiJul 9, 2010
Well that's true and not true... Frozen pizzas, frozen box dinners, frozen "bagged" meals, are all really expensive. But Ramen noodles, mac & cheese, canned fruits & veggies and white bread are all cheaper than cheap, and are killing you in your sleep.
It's not easy to eat healthy on a budget, but doable. And the more you do it, the easier it gets...
professorriffsJul 9, 2010
For what it's worth, I'm self-employed. I'm not poor or anything, but I don't really make what you'd call a lot of money, and I've had no problem with the money aspect. If anything else, I save money from eating out way less.
cloudberriesJul 9, 2010
If you think about the amount of vegetables, and reasonable quality meat you can buy for the price of one takeout, you could probably stretch it to last two or three meals, for the price of one. Stock up on staples like wholegrain rice, pasta, chopped tomatoes and stuff like that and you're pretty much sorted, once you know what you're doing.
cloudberriesJul 9, 2010
I was like that for a while, ate a lot of takeaways and processed food (takeaways probably once a week, most of the rest of the time processed stuff like chicken kievs etc.)
I've never been an overweight person, can eat whatever I like and not put too much weight on, but it does seem to gum you up on the inside, even if nothing shows outside. Now I've started to learn the joys of things like "having a spice rack" and making healthy curries by "throwing stuff at a pan". Great fun! I think a lot of it is about attitude, if you start thinking healthily, you'll subconsciously start to filter out the bad things from your diet. It's not something you can force.
IkthelJul 9, 2010
"or throw something in the oven"
What if you throw real food in the oven?
shingoexJul 9, 2010
They're debunking exercise? What the holy f**k am I reading?????
Michael Phelps was on a 12,000 calorie-a-day diet, so this is bulls**t. EXERCISE BURNS CALORIESComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
meeohmiJul 9, 2010
I don't think they're "debunking exercise". It's more like they're trying to say "don't think Joey's twice-a-week soccer practice and once-a-week playdate are going to cancel out the Hi-C, doritos and chicken nuggets you're polluting his body with."
shingoexJul 9, 2010
"suggests that physical activity has little if any role to play in the obesity epidemic among children."
This is what I'm referring to. They make it sound like no amount of exercise will reduce obesity.
bobbi21Jul 9, 2010
if you find a fat kid who exercises as much as michael phelps than I'd agree with you.
shingoexJul 9, 2010
The fact you wouldn't see that happening is my point. You've got the views of the article writer and mine switched.
EXERCISE HELPS YOU LOSE WEIGHT.
zenmojoJul 9, 2010
Michael Phelps wasn't burning 12,000 calories a day. He's trained his body to the point that he requires that many calories to function.
The question is how much and white kinds of exercise do you need? An olympic athlete is not the same as someone who walks a stairmaster 6 hours a week. For that matter, someone who runs sprints 45 minutes a week is probably in better shape than stairmaster guy. People wrongly think exercising a lot will make you skinny when sometimes it just makes you hungry.
shingoexJul 9, 2010
but that goes against their claims that exercise doesn't do anything to affect obesity, which was what I was referring to.
chikenshitJul 9, 2010
they're saying that for children lack of exercise may not be the cause of obesity epidemic in america, more likely the diet has more to do with it.
suavek2000Jul 9, 2010
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Last week i was at ''butera'' grocery store , i spent 30 mins.looking for any soda with real sugar. No luck.
laser314Jul 9, 2010
In WI at a local PIggly Wiggly I can buy Coke Cola made in Mexico with sugar instead of HFCS.
brain3000usJul 9, 2010
Same here in AZ with Food City. The local one in my area has a fridge stocked with Coke, Sprite, and Orange Fanta bottled in Mexico.
Not to mention if anyone is looking for Pop made with sugar instead of HFCS, there is always Jones Soda and (if you can find it) Throwback Mountain Dew and Throwback Pepsi.
illepicJul 9, 2010
How about you skip the the soda instead?
whidbeyislandJul 10, 2010
Gotta hit the spanish isle. They don't use corn syrup. Come to think of it, the asian pop probably doesn't either. I think it's mainly America with our corn subsidies probably causing us to use it as a cheaper source of sugar.
Closed AccountJul 9, 2010
Couldn't it just as easily be turned around that just as obesity contributes to inactivity, that obesity contributes to consistent overeating? Bigger people have bigger appetites because they need more to eat.
I think it's wrong to ignore both a healthy diet and exercise regiment to be HEALTHY. You still need to exercise to be healthy, just being "not obese" is a step in the right direction, but it shouldn't be the goal.
bobbi21Jul 9, 2010
yeah. Although no kid cares about being unfit. They care about not being called fatty fat fat fat. Usually not enough to get them to stop eating junk food (unless you're a girl and become anorexic) but they dont really think about dying 20 years earlier. Neither do most adults actually..
Closed AccountJul 9, 2010
" just being "not obese" is a step in the right direction"
Being "not obese" does nothing to improve your health. Physical activity is far far more important to your health. Calorie restriction is only important if you want to be thin (the ingredients can be more important though).
davenp0rtJul 9, 2010
I have to wonder about this. I've always been skinny, without working for it at all. I eat anything I want and work in front of a computer all day with barely any physical activity. It's been that way pretty much my whole life. On the other hand, a friend I've known for nearly 15 years has always been active, has a job in manual labor, and he's ridiculously overweight. Like 250 pounds to my 165.
Physical activity is important, but if I'm looking at it the right way, genetics are the most crucial factor in weight gain and loss. Some people are just born fat, play hard, and can't shed the pounds.
After saying all of that, I really hope my lifestyle doesn't come back to me and bite me in the ass. That'd suck.
bobbi21Jul 9, 2010
Gotta take into account if that's actually fat though. He probably has at least 50 lbs of muscle on you too.
You're right, while exercise isn't as important in losing weight, it's important in being healthy. Your friend will probably live longer and healthier than you with his level of activity (assuming all other things are equal).
rheaumeJul 9, 2010
I used to be like you, then my body decided it was going to hold on to the weight, id hold off on being smug until you hit 30
wolfingJul 9, 2010
I agree with the article. Don't get me wrong, exercise (periodic, not a bi-weekly go all out visit to a gym or a hike) is good for your health, but obesity is mostly about what you eat. It doesn't even have to be big quantities, but the types of food. In the US it's way too easy and cheap to eat extreme amounts of sugars and carbs. Go to any fast food place, and they are all advertising $3 meals: a huge 'small' soda that would be considered 'large' in any other country, a bag of french fries and a hamburger that's 90% bread and 10% something resembling meat. But then if you want to be healthy and order a freaking salad, prepare to pay $6 or more just for the salad.
meeohmiJul 9, 2010
Pay $6 extra for the salad.... and then dump 200-300 calories' worth of dressing on it.
zenmojoJul 9, 2010
Remember how people used to laugh at the idea that the 3 dollar meal was less expensive than the salad?
Sadly, per calorie, fresh fruits and vegetables are f**king expensive while subsidized corn and hormone-fed beef ain't.
crackshot91Jul 9, 2010
LOL at the caption for the picture accompanying the article.
Wow.
rheaumeJul 9, 2010
Sponsored by KFC
trevorbradleyJul 9, 2010
I lost a lot of weight several years back. I spent most of my teenage years and adult life obese. Exercise is important to losing weight, but diet is key.
If you diet, but don't exercise, you'll lose weight, but more in muscle mass, so your body will want to consume less energy
If you exercise, but don't diet, your caloric intake will increase with your activity level and nothing will change.
To anyone looking to lose weight, I'd suggest getting your diet under control first (Google The Hacker's Diet for a no bulls**t approach to dieting), and *then* increase exercise to improve metabolism and the rate at which you burn calories.
factosaurusrexJul 9, 2010
And this just in...jogging is what really makes you fat.
formerbabbyJul 9, 2010
America need to rediscover fruits and vegetables.
m0lluskJul 9, 2010
This is about the obesity epidemic in kids. If you look only at six month olds there is still an obesity epidemic. It doesn't make sense to fault six month olds for being lazy, as they pretty much only do what comes naturally to them no matter what. Calorie dense food is the culprit, and adding sugar can make anything calorie dense. Commercially produced baby milk and baby food is loaded with sugar and syrup.
Closed AccountJul 9, 2010
I don't buy it at all.
innerlightsJul 9, 2010
They're fat because they ate my food. I can't do what I was supposed to do now. Fatter you are the less you can do.
tvaananenJul 9, 2010
The real problem is that the nutritional education is poor, and what education is out there is largely wrong. People just do not understand what makes them fat. The educators do not understand that either.
I stuff my face every day. I eat tons; three or more times a day. I exercise every day, but it is very moderate. I lost 65 pounds doing it, in about a year, but most of it in the last 3-4 months. I figured out what was making me fat, and what was not.
For me, it was carbohydrates. That is the only thing that will put any weight on me. Bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, soft drinks, even fruit. We think that some of these things are healthy for us, and we can eat them because they are "low fat". But sometimes that is completely wrong. What did they do to fatten the pigs? Give them oat meal, full grains, potatoes. That made me fat.
What did I do? I dropped the carbs. I now eat about 50g of carbs per day. That is equal to about two slices of bread. But of course I do not eat bread because I would go hungry all the day. I eat tons of vegetables, steamed, raw, what ever. Salad, piles of it. Meat, cheese, eggs, oils. I love steaks with some vegetables and butter. I also eat nuts. Rarely do I eat rice, pasta, potatoes etc. and when I do, they are very small portions; like half a potato once a week. I simply can't eat enough to gain a pound, and if I somehow do, I just exercise moderately more. If I loose weight, I just cut down exercise and eat more. Very easy to do, and you never go hungry.
You learn very quickly how to read the nutritional contents of most foods. You would be surprised what garbage we eat. Cheerios; eat it if you want diabetes and that heart disease (they tell it lowers your bad cholesterol but forget to inform that your cardio vascular system is put to extreme stress due to the sugar content).
dylaniusJul 9, 2010
This is BS. No one has any idea of anything in terms of human health. Next thing you know, in 10 years scientists will discover OSHI physical activity DOES PLAY A ROLE in obesity!
Kids have more energy than anyone.
yobladJul 9, 2010
Kids are obese and can't pay attention in class because parents feed them horrid s**t like mountain dew and chicken nuggets.
Here's what my fatass nephew had to eat today:
Breakfast:Cocoa Puffs with chocolate milk
Lunch: Mountain Dew, Snickers, peanut butter/jelly sandwich
Supper: KFC
Snack: Ice Cream
This is typical and just any one of those meals is enough to f**k your diet for the day. Awful.
jjr86Jul 9, 2010
I call bulls**t on this because I am living testimony that this is a fallacy. I used to be a twig before I was diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter Disease. This was back when I was around 10 years old. After that I became sedintary because physical activity became very painful. As a result, I gained A LOT of weight. Had it not been for that disease I would have an athletic build, but alas it went the other way with me.
This study is Bulls**t!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gkiltzJul 9, 2010
There is absolutely a genetic element to weight/obesity. I would not be surprised if there is one to activity level as well.
Closed AccountJul 9, 2010
this makes no f**king sense
tiptup300Jul 9, 2010
ITS THE f**kING PARENTS!
Fat kids usually have fat parents. You learn how to function from your parents. You think that Age 0-3 doesn't teach you anything!? You are taking in literally everything. INCLUDING how much food you shove in your mouth before you stop. Also how much you should run around.