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weirdralphAug 2, 2010Submitter
So, they're cloning cows now. Really, no bull.
sciguyajAug 2, 2010
Cloning!? Now listen, injecting growth hormones, having cows recycle their own milk, and inserting genes that makes cows produce more milk is one thing, but milk from a cloned cow is just icky! I mean, it's the cows twin, expect it's younger, that's gross for some reason!
baphclassAug 2, 2010
Spot on. All this phony, old-world sentimentality for things that are "natural" is complete bulls**t. When it comes to things like food & medicine, some people STILL have trouble getting off the f**king horsecart.
rockynAug 2, 2010
I'm ok with the cloning, but the other things really are gross.
sidioooAug 2, 2010
And produced Farts of Gas
mshensleyAug 2, 2010
hmmm... don't all plant based foods come from cloned plants? What's the diff?
zeibenAug 2, 2010
Farmer Brown's genetic abomination just produced milk!
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imallvol7Aug 2, 2010
zeiben sent you a gift
farmer browns genetic milkish drank.
accept . reject. ignore.
nullcodesAug 2, 2010
I am in favor of genetic engineering, but that was pretty funny.
psychoaceAug 2, 2010
Jesus told me last night God was having a real tough time keeping up with the cow demand, so he feels cloned cows are a godsend. So cloned cows are God approved everyone so start sucking.........the meat off the bone.
meruruAug 2, 2010
My god, think of the massive outbreak of nothing that could result from this.
archangelzltAug 2, 2010
"He added that cloning was 'inefficient' and - if it became routine - could 'greatly reduce genetic diversity within livestock populations, increasing the chances of whole herds being wiped out by disease'."
Yeah, because big scary food corporations totally profit off the death of their entire herds, and would do absolutely nothing to prevent that from happening!
"I mean quite honestly there's just not enough necessarily known about the food safety aspect, but there's huge harm to the cows."
There is not enough known about the food safety aspect - except that the cloned animal has the EXACT SAME genome as the animal that is being cloned, and for all intents and purposes their meat can be treated as the same meat from two bodies.
And there's huge harm to the cows! Think about that! I mean, how would the cows think when you take ONE WHOLE CELL off their body? That's ONE WHOLE LIVING CELL! And not to mention that our British cows can totally think, and will be psychologically disturbed when they see another cow that looks exactly like themselves!
nullcodesAug 2, 2010
I support cloning, but I the genome isn't everything .. DNA methylation and chromatin structure affects too. Those need to be figured out properly .. and they will be.
vitriolandangstAug 2, 2010
This came up about a year and a half ago.
My point then is the same one as now;
Cloning the PERFECT COW is not the same YET as the original cow. A clone is from an adult animal, and so the parts of the genetic code turned on and off are not the same as in a developing fetus. Thus, your clone is not as strong as the original.
The OTHER huge problem is; any disease that can kill one clone can kill them all. You've created a huge epidemic problem because you've reduced diversity. It's a larger disease vector and so if there is an epidemic, you can wipe out the entire herd.
Monsanto a while ago, gave Mexican farmers "terminator seeds" without telling them. So the first year -- great crops. The second year -- no crops. Wiped out a lot of farms, which then -- out of the goodness of their hearts, US agro businesses came in and bought them out. Very few family farms in the US and Mexico anymore.
So, it might be good the first year or two -- and then, magically, over night, all the "perfect milk cows" could be dead from one bad cold.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
uselesstriviaAug 2, 2010
You should probably adjust the fit on your tin-foil hat buddy.
First of all Monsanto might own terminator technology for seeds, but if you take them at their word, they've promised for over 10 years that they won't commercialize the technology. They really only use it in their R&D process if at all. Naturally they are a big scary corporation so everyone's first instinct is to assume they are evil and lying whether there is any justification for it or not.
Second, nobody is really planning on making every cow the perfect clone of one genetically exceptional animal. The people who are smart enough to clone animals are also smart enough to understand that genetic diversity is important. For the time being cloning is far too expensive to become a widespread process for producing livestock. Perhaps if the "perfect cow" is discovered and is past its breeding age a farmer will choose to clone it to keep those genes reproducing. Does that stunt the gene pool? not unless you do it for several generations and take no care with the other half of the genes you're mixing in.
My understanding of cloning technology is that the cloned offspring often have a shorter lifespan, so there's probably some upper limit on how many times you can clone a clone of a clone.
rockynAug 2, 2010
whats the upper limit on cloning a clone of a clone of a clone?
countess666Aug 2, 2010
as long as you ensure the copy is perfect by checking its code every time, nothing. no limit.
vitriolandangstAug 2, 2010
>> I don't think anyone is Cloning a Clone yet -- it's all based on creating more copies of the original DNA. It is NOT like a Zerox copy yet, and there the "structure" or folding of DNA has a lot of influence over how genes get interpreted -- which means that there is many times more data and variables in genetics than merely the DNA code represents.
Here is a run-down on problems with Cloning -- which in general, means clones are less healthy and don't live as long as their parents (meaning, more antibiotics and drugs that get into the milk); http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1424267.stm
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/tech/cloning/cloningrisks/
>> "Adjust the fit in your tin-foil hat" - right, because corporations never conspire to lock in people or cause harm to other businesses in order to grab their land/business.
Monsanto news roundup;
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Monsanto-Roundup-Glyphosate.htm
Haitian farmers burning Monsanto seeds;
http://www.aseed.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=750&Itemid=1
archangelzltAug 2, 2010
You mean gene expression? Well, yeah, cloned bodies may have different gene expression (and we are in fact learning to control it, but that's a different story), and they may indeed be "not as strong as the original."
But in that case, corporations will notice the clone's shorter life-span (which may also be caused by shortened telomere) and they will probably decide not to use clones. Isn't that exactly what you want?
My point is that if the corporations that are developing clone technologies notice that clones are not as good or robust as good ol' cows, they would probably do the sensible thing and not use the clones. So why bother banning food from cloned animals?
vitriolandangstAug 2, 2010
Because Corporations are driven by profits -- NOT the health of the public consuming their product and not with future problems that may cause epidemics.
If farmers get too reliant on these cattle, then an outbreak could wipe out an entire years profits -- which would be very convenient for large corporate farming co-ops to buy up the independent farmers. This would NOT be the first time this has happened.
There is not an advantage to the Consumer or our economy -- so I'd say let's not do it. No benefit = no frankenstein gene manipulation in my book. It only maximizes profits.
mathsciteachAug 2, 2010
Genetic diversity within a species makes the species, as a whole, stronger. I would have no problem drinking the milk of a cow that was a clone of another but creating "supercow" clones is a really bad idea.
wolfingAug 2, 2010
This talk about cloning cows makes me nervous... if they clone my mother in law by mistake I'll be so pissed
rockynAug 2, 2010
I would like to be cloned several times and then have my brain's ISO uploaded into the clones. I would then be able to live out my own fantasy. I would dedicate s few of my clones to working and one clone to each of my hobbies. The result would be that I would have one life purely dedicated to surfing, another dedicated to making music, one where I did nothing but get wasted, another to martial arts, one to farming and since I would have my very own worker clones, i'd be free to spend the rest of my leisure time with my family.
countess666Aug 2, 2010
why would your clone agree to work for you?
rockynAug 2, 2010
You're right!! I would never work for such a jerk!
inkabadgerAug 2, 2010
Shut up and drink your milk.
blankmanAug 2, 2010
Doesn't anyone remember what happened to the Asgard?
s0nicfreakAug 2, 2010
Uh, doesn't the US already use partial clones for milk & meat? The only news here is that he didn't get approval.
nepidaeAug 2, 2010
We're all gunna die!
sjbdallasAug 2, 2010
I totally missed the "cloned cow" part of that.
jwbalesAug 2, 2010
Those opposed to selling milk from cloned cows are entitled to their opinion. However, they should have no power to force others to comply with their wacko views.
computershackAug 3, 2010
Ah, the RSPCA. That bastion of animal welfare which supports many things that actually make things worse for animals.