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bonesehAug 16, 2010
I've got to setup my roster!!!!
gmileyAug 16, 2010
I always thought it was a little funny when it turns out someone making fun of table-top games is into Fantasy Football (or other sport)
sungod228Aug 16, 2010
* Random selection of the draft order = Rolling a 20 sided die
* The draft = Creating new characters
* The NFL = The "realm"
* Your players = Your characters
* Your fantasy league = Your characters' "world"
* Your league's "commissioner" = The "dungeon master"
* The "smack talk' message board = "Flaming the n00bs"
* Obsessively checking player stats to make the best decisions each week = Fighting dozens of small battles to earn experience points
* Watching games all day Sunday = Sitting through all night RPG sessions on lonely Saturday nights
* Talking smack because your runningback had a huge weekend = Bragging to your dorky friends that you just "leveled up"
* Assigning your players in preparation for Sunday = Buying weapons and supplies to prepare for a raid
* "You picked Oakland's defense? Dumbass." = "You're gonna be a dwarf? Pwn3d."
* "Lookout, bitch! I'm playing Larry Johnson this week!" = "I'm arming my +99 helmet of the gods! All your base are belong to us!"
ziriuxAug 16, 2010Submitter
Yea, if you think about it we all have a geeky hobby.
trifoldAug 16, 2010
Football? No.
Baseball? Yes.
sonorguyAug 16, 2010
"Fantasy Baseball could be renamed as "Math" and I doubt anybody would notice."
Probably because no one gives a f**k about fantasy baseballComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jmurrzAug 16, 2010
I give many f**ks :-(
sonorguyAug 16, 2010
Then I give many apologies
zipkoAug 16, 2010
Both have the same level of complexity. There's nothing difficult about trying to max your teams stats. It doesn't matter that in baseball those stats have a complicated derivation, all you need to know is that you want them to be high/low as appropriate. The geeky part is all the research that goes into the draft and they're both pretty much the same in that regard.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
safman89Aug 16, 2010
people i know make who fun of the video games I enjoy play Fantasy Football, Football Manager and some football and cricket related games on facebook. Do they really find that more enjoyable than some of the amazing titles available on PC and consoles :/
dolomite808Aug 16, 2010
They are for the people you are speaking about, because they get all of the joy of gaming without any of the attached stigma.
davdevAug 16, 2010
I think the main difference is many people consider Fantasy Football another type of gambling. My league has a $1000 prize at the end. I think if people could win $1000 by playing WOW with their buddies, they would be more apt to do it.
jmurrzAug 16, 2010
Everyone would still play in your league even if you took the money away.
davdevAug 16, 2010
I wouldn't play in my own league if we took the money away. I have been offered to play in free leagues, and have passed. It's not worth the time or effort.
Closed AccountAug 17, 2010
Yup same here. If my league didn't involve $$$, I could give a crap about FF.
eatthebrainAug 17, 2010
Because WoW didn't come out in 2004, you know, six years ago? I've seen FPS tournaments go up to a hundred grand, not that much in MMO's but I've still seen official stuff go down in them for at least $1,000.
Go over to Korea, you wouldn't believe the tournaments over there...or the games that are way ahead of ours...stupid regional blocking.
Closed AccountAug 16, 2010
Who cares? Do it if you enjoy it.
onepointsixone8Aug 16, 2010
Fantasy Football is like Dungeons and Dragons for sports fans...
thegrizz51Aug 16, 2010
I heard a comedian say that Fantasy Football is D&D for guys who used to beat up guys who played D&D.
Closed AccountAug 16, 2010
What's wrong with getting your geek on? Life's too short and geeky things are way to fun to worry about what's 'cool'.
thedudediggsAug 16, 2010
Well said dude
eatthebrainAug 17, 2010
Agreed, well said.
awtrippAug 16, 2010
Reminds me of this Foxtrot..
http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/7/77/Foxtrot_-_Fantasy_Football.jpg
bladzalotAug 16, 2010
I love them both
zorixAug 16, 2010
f**k this guy, fantasy football rules.
xshareAug 16, 2010
Seriously? One of these things has to do with real events taking place that we (those of us into fantasy football) give a s**t about. I'd watch football without fantasy. I love football. But fantasy football just gives you more to care about the game. It's yet another element of competition thrown into the most epic of sports. The connection is tenuous at best. It's definitely less geeky than video games, and WAAAY less geeky than tabletop games. Fantasy Football is effectively a more detailed structure to bet on sports and bet on which players will do best. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
powderedtoastyAug 16, 2010
Sorry but acting like a bunch of grown men playing games with each other is the most important thing in the world is pretty lame, unless you are a kid.
gustomuchoAug 16, 2010
You know you sound like a geek talking about dungeon and dragon right? Things are the same, the setting is different. So what if you roll a dice to know if your fireball fizzle or if your pass is completed?
You are into sport, you play a sport dice game. Others are into fantasy setting, I would wage most of those players like medieval and antiquity. Only the dungeon and dragon use more imagination instead of real players.
Both are fun, play what you like but don't trash the other guy interest. After all, you know "fantasy football" isn't football at all. Why don't you go out and play football instead ?
slackdragonAug 16, 2010
"The connection is tenuous at best. It's definitely less geeky than video games, and WAAAY less geeky than tabletop games."
Keep telling yourself that, Sport.
"But fantasy football just gives you more to care about the game."
Want to REALLY care about the game? Bet real money on point spreads and outcomes and season endings. Nothing makes you care about a teams performance like cash riding on the line.
djmattb241Aug 16, 2010
I think you're overlooking the fact that sports, as a general rule are boring as f**k.
I flipped on a baseball game the other day. Bunch of dudes scratching themselves. Occasionally one of them throws a ball toward another guy who tries to hit it. If he does, the other team tries to catch it and return it to him. Every once in a while there is a spark of tension when one of the players hits the guy on the other team with the ball he's holding, and it's unclear whether or not he did that before or after the second guy arrived at his location.
It's a f**king physics game with human error built in.
Football is just as bad. "Okay everyone, line up. We're going to attempt to run a play that is one of a few hundred, the details of which no one really knows for sure outside our team. Ready? GO!" ... "Okay okay stop. That was eight full seconds of crazy adrenaline there! Phew! Now, let's line up again! Here we go!" ... "Okay, now all we have to do is move this egg shaped ball across that line and millions of people will lose their minds and we'll make more money than we'll ever need. Although, let's be fair, we'll make more money than we'll ever need even if we don't win. It's a good thing I'm a hyper-aggressive male with anger issues and a giant neck! HERE WE GO!"
And people get millions of dollars for this?
With fantasy or sci-fi, it requires people who are good at inventing entire universes, and making them come to life in front of you, instead of people who can throw a ball really good.
covertbadgerAug 17, 2010
You appear to be attempting to trash 'sports' as a whole by pointing out the flaws in two of the most boring sports there are. Logical fallacy.
djmattb241Aug 17, 2010
You're right, I didn't have the time or energy to talk about every sport.
But either way, almost every sport is about some guys you don't know wearing one color attempting to get a ball across a line, while being blocked by some guys you don't know wearing another color.
Sometimes the ball is a puck, sometimes they're allowed to run into each other, sometimes they can't use their hands.
Still. I'm watching people save the galaxy, you're watching guys you don't know throw a ball across a line.
gustomuchoAug 17, 2010
Thing is DJ, you are bashing on something and say don't bash on mine. You are basicaly saying you are wrong, I am right... It doesn't work this way.
You guys don't like the same thing, one isn't against the other, I like both sport and SciFi. I enjoy playing real sports but I love to play some adventure or Scifi games. I never played fantasy football, I don't know enough about the sport.
Some people play Star Wars trivia, other play Football trivia, who are we to say what is "fun" or acceptable for everyone. Enjoy your game and let the other enjoy their game.
Don't fall for the one-sided argument, it doesn't solve anything.
djmattb241Aug 17, 2010
I get defensive when jocks start acting like geeks but won't admit it. My bad.
covertbadgerAug 17, 2010
"But either way, almost every sport is about some guys you don't know wearing one color attempting to get a ball across a line, while being blocked by some guys you don't know wearing another color."
You don't know much about sport, do you?
Still, one thing I will agree with - fantasy sports is just as geeky as D&D, and I'm not faintly interested in either. Videogames I'll spend an hour or two a month on.
bookantAug 16, 2010
. . . . and while we're on the subject. If you dress up for the game, (faux-jerseys, big #1 fingers, cheeshead hats or their equivalent, face paint) - you're the sports equivalent of Trekkies wearing their Starfleet uniforms and Spock ears to the convention.
slackdragonAug 16, 2010
Excellent observation, man. Spot on.
Closed AccountAug 16, 2010
DJMattB241, if you think those sports are boring then may I suggest you watch some hockey.
djmattb241Aug 17, 2010
Still just dudes moving a ball (puck in this case) across a line. In this case they're on ice, and they're allowed to beat the s**t out of each other for no particular reason.
Cavemen on ice.
I want to be clear, I'm not saying I don't enjoy watching the occasional sport. I like watching people who are good at a thing do that thing. I just don't care who wins.
kronos6948Aug 16, 2010
Who let the Alpha Beta's in here? I thought this party was for Tri Lambs only?
thedudediggsAug 16, 2010
I play Fantasy Football and it's awesome but it's definitely geeky. Fantasy baseball is even worse because it's every day for a ridiculous 162 game season.
jmurrzAug 16, 2010
I love fantasy baseball because it gives me something to do for 30 minutes every day at work. Yaaaaaaaaay productivity.
sabz5150Aug 16, 2010
http://beshir.org/pub/Amusing/Motivational%20Posters/RPG%20Posters/Fantasy%20Football.jpg
ryuproctorAug 16, 2010
It really is a shame that video games carry such a stigma. I have quite a few friends that will mock MMOs and RPGs but have no problem "leveling up" their farm and what not in games like Farmville. So because it's on Facebook the RPG is suddenly hip? If they would clear their irrational thinking many of these close minded people could really enjoy what many of us gamers have already been doing for years.
pathouston22Aug 16, 2010
It's hip to be called a geek in general now. 5 or 10 years ago being a geek was anything but mainstream. Now everybody claims they are a geek because they have a smartphone or made a website from a template or spend 5 hours a day on the computer.
ryuproctorAug 16, 2010
Ha ha no kidding, I do a lot of IT work and everyone I know has this attitude that you just described. They think they are the cool kind of geek if they know about overclocking a processor!
acknotswAug 16, 2010
The stigma is on its way to extinction. Many of the people my age and a bit older had video games since our early childhoods and we have kids about to enter their teens to early 20's, those kids likely gamed even more than we did. The ratio of gamers to non gamers is only going to increase in the foreseeable future, which is cool.
ryuproctorAug 16, 2010
This is true, and I agree about it being cool that this is being phased out.
ecoreAug 16, 2010
Must be written by a video game geek who hates sports.
Interest in sports is now geeky...hmmmm. BULLs**t.
hetmanAug 16, 2010
The statistical side of every sport is geeky. That is what fantasy football is all about.
sabz5150Aug 16, 2010
FTA:
While travelling I often find talk radio to be a good way to pass the time, so I tuned into Detroit’s 97.1 FM “The Ticket.” In addition to video games, I am also an avid sports fan so this station was sure to help kill some time.
From all of us at Digg... RTFA before chewing on a mouthful of Nike.
slackdragonAug 16, 2010
Whatsamatta, Jocko? Being seated at the same table with the D&D geeks gotcha down? Deal with it. It is, in all fairness and reality, the exact same thing.
* Make a character/team? Check
* Follow/Guide said character/team through "adventures"? Check
* Feel emotions of triumph, excitement, aggravation when character/team fails/fumbles? Check
* Track said failures and triumphs via pen and paper? Check
* Outcome is dependent on real life variables such as athlete performance/dice rolls? Check
Face it, Billy, you're playing a pen and paper RPG. Geek.
illepicAug 16, 2010
Jock.
oo7evanAug 16, 2010
I'm offended.
I do not wear ripped knee jeans.
xhashmeerxAug 16, 2010
I've been expressing this same sentiment for years now.
Every year of Madden makes it more and more like any other RPG game of managing stats for your character/team. It's really no different. Then you go into the battle/game and use your character/team to fight another character/team's stats.
There's enough room for both. I think they're both neat and there's nothing wrong with a healthy hobby that you're passionate about.
slackdragonAug 16, 2010
I've always loved my Brother From Another Mother, Mike.
Mike is a supreme Jock. Football, Kung Fu, Rugby, etc. in infinitum.
But he was COOL enough to enjoy full-on, sit down, pen and paper RPG's with us. And HE always said that Fantasy Football is an RPG.
Hell, look at Vin Diesel. Massive D&D enthusiast. Not exactly in the nerd mold.
02yamahar1Aug 16, 2010
fantasy football is based on real people and stats, not a video game of levels and fake monsters or super-human like people..i have my roster set up..i think ill create another team.. :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thebuggaloAug 16, 2010
Those monsters/super-human people have REAL stats as well. You don't control the football players during the game. All you have to rely on is their stats and their history, which is exactly the same as an RPG. In the end, it's a roll of the dice. Touchdown or Incompletion. It's not in your hands, there is no way to accurately know the outcome, it's random.
A team with better stats is more likely to beat a team with poor stats, and the same goes for video games. You build your team with the characters you think will do the best job, and then watch them fight and hope they win. It's an RPG.
gustomuchoAug 16, 2010
Ok, then :
Chuck Norris
Level 50 Warrior
Str : 150
int : 70
agility : 100
charisma : 110
Luck : 70
Fully leveled in chun kuk doo, (+50 in agility)
Trained in avionics (+20 in crafting, +50 in aerial fights)
Powerful side-kick (+20 damage when lands a kick)
----------------
Whooo, this is so different from fantasy football!
jaythewiseAug 16, 2010
Do you bet on table top games? Are your tablet top games based on real players? Can you actually play as a f**king orc? Did you play f**king orcball in highschool?
I love my nerd games like RPGs but they aint even remotely close to fant football.
ill agree some fant football is pretty hardcore but seriously come on diggers...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thebuggaloAug 16, 2010
The fact that the players are 'real' has no difference whatsoever.
gustomuchoAug 16, 2010
Because Brett Favre wouldn't be the same if your player is called Brett Fart.
kronos6948Aug 16, 2010
People have played as Orcs. It's called LARPing.
jaythewiseAug 16, 2010
Lots of people who are not into fantasy sports it would seem.
fattehboiAug 16, 2010
SPORTS!
waspbrAug 16, 2010
Relevant,(too tired to make any insightful remarks just watch the vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIUQw1w5OqM
Closed AccountAug 16, 2010
If you don't think Fantasy sports can be geeky, then you've obviously never seen baseballprospectus.com. The number of absurd statistics they come up with are enough to make your head explode.
drsnugglebunnyAug 16, 2010
Who cares about geekiness except high school kids and younger. You grow to realize it doesn't matter.
imbetterthanuAug 16, 2010
Ugh. Autoplay videos on that page.
thraxywaxyAug 16, 2010
I am a geek, and I play fantasy football, but I don't think fantasy football is inherently geeky. It can GET geeky if you geek out about it. For example you can switch football games on tv to watch your players instead of the team you care about, and print out sheets of stats and stuff and then look at red zone touches, catch percentage, s**t like that. But if you just pick your players, set your lineup once a week, and look at the damage your team's done once the week is done I don't think it's geeky. Fantasy baseball is though.
jmurrzAug 16, 2010
I love how fantasy baseball is geeky even though you can set your lineup once a week and be done (the same thing you do for football)
That almost makes sense.
thraxywaxyAug 16, 2010
I was not thinking of weekly leagues because I only play in daily ones. My mistake.
lust4meAug 16, 2010
Video gaming is geeky?
whoppersauceAug 16, 2010
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/9/25/
Pretty much explains it for the geeks out there
fungowskiAug 16, 2010
I always thought fantasy football skewed more gay than geeky. Even the name is pretty f**king gay.
dijkstra22Aug 16, 2010
Anyone here play Strat-o-Matic? A card game largely to simulate baseball? (although football exists). I loved that game.
kronos6948Aug 16, 2010
They had Strat-O-Matic hockey too. Wish I had that.
unclefireAug 16, 2010
Sure it is just as geeky as D&D, video games or board games. So? People do it b/c its fun and they enjoy it.
The mechanics are not really all that different than D&D, war games or any other game for that matter.
For that matter, ever look at hard-core MLB or NFL score keepers or statitics nuts? Def. geeky.
This line from the article stuck out to me though...
"But then one of the hosts said that because fantasy football is based on reality, as opposed to those hobbies based on fantasy such as video games, it is not geeky"
Computers, physics, chemistry, genome studies etc. are all based on reality yet I doubt anybody would argue that they're not geeky.
greedonvrfiredAug 16, 2010
I will say this... sci-fi geeks dress up like their heroes once or twice a year if at all. Football geeks dress up like their heroes nearly every day.
sinurgyAug 16, 2010
I know what you're trying to do but wearing a jersey isn't quite the same as a full on costume. If football geeks were like sci-fi geeks they'd have cleats, pants, jersey, helmet, regulation blank ink under their eyes, pads, wrist playbooks that are %100 accurate...man, the more I think about it, sci-fi geeks would be awesome football fans!!!
greedonvrfiredAug 16, 2010
I repeat... EVERY DAY! They sleep in it. Do you know how ridiculous it would be for me to go to a bar in a "Starfleet top." These guys walk around with a jersey (one which they brag about its authenticity) and they top it off with a hat. Then they create an imaginary world in which they manage their own teams. And there are MILLIONS of them. Doing it EVERYDAY. EVERY DAY. (oh and one more thing.... in their world... not one single female... not a one.)
kronos6948Aug 16, 2010
There's guys in every stadium fully dressed...some of them in facepaint with exaggerated costumes.
For example:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0810/halloween.trick.or.treat/images/001080776.jpg
eatthebrainAug 17, 2010
I'll give you that one, but I won't say it's a victory...
crackyjsquirrelAug 16, 2010
It doesnt matter if you hide behind baseball caps and college sweatshirts thinking that your epic touchdown run in high school qualifies you as a football player.
If you have the rosters and stats memorized for each team and each player... you are a geek. Plain and simple. Not saying that is a bad thing, but in order for you to be that into any subject qualifies you a geek on that subject.
puddsAug 16, 2010
Yea, realistically it probably is. There are certainly similarities, but to me there's still a difference between trying to optimize a fictional character to increase its performance while you're playing it yourself and analyzing statistics in order to predict results.
Fantasy sports are much more like stock market games, or even poker than they are like video games, I think.
ecoreAug 16, 2010
Ok. Now I get it. Digg is full of dragon slaying dorks who wish to be viewed as normal.
Forget it geeks. Back to your holes.
trifoldAug 16, 2010
oooo...edgy.
enantiodromiaAug 16, 2010
...he said, collar fully popped, hair blown out like the display of a majestic peac**k.
"Me and the bros like to sit around a table, discussing the body mass and squat abilities of grown men we will never meet or hope to become, while we wolf down pizza rolls and PBR. Last week Ronnie cut a wicked fart right in Trevor's face, it was so heinous Trev almost ralphed on his Patriot's jersey."
modsuperstarAug 16, 2010
I'm a gamer and a fantasy sports guy and I'd easily say fantasy sports carries a much bigger stigma. It's one thing to talk about sports. It's another to go on at length about how you lost in head to head last week because Vince Young took a sack during garbage time in the 4th quarter of the Monday Nighter. I have a couple friends who I regularly play in leagues with and everyone will roll their eyes when we get going about the latest waiver wire gems I picked up last. Fantasy leagues get a pass because sports is more accepted, but in reality it is just as nerdy if not moreso. Obsessively breaking down stats is no different then memorizing the names of background characters from Star Wars or being able to quote every joke from Simpsons or Family Guy.
ivanmarshAug 16, 2010
"Fantasy Football is Less Geeky than Video Games?" That's like the douchebags that say graphic novel instead of comic book. I collect comic books and I'm not afraid to admit it.
Fantasy Football is dungeons & dragons for wanna'be jocks... and whether you're into it or not you should be watching The League http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/theleague/ it's freaking hilarious.
olderbutwiser44Aug 16, 2010
Fantasy Football is just a way to control your own dream team and compete against others for fun. In no way do I think this is geeky.
enantiodromiaAug 16, 2010
Dreaming about other people you control playing sports, is geeky.
Accept this.
enantiodromiaAug 16, 2010
Sports Fans:
http://ballhype.com/video/mac-s-letter-to-chase-utley-it-s-always-sunny-in/
gregus1032Aug 17, 2010
Fantasy Football people can be really geeky. Michael Fabiano for nfl.com is pretty damn geeky.
example:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d819cac2a/NFL-Fantasy-Live-Higher-or-Lower
I wouldn't be surprised if he has the stats for every player memorized.
roboleninAug 17, 2010
Let your geek flag fly, baby!
eatthebrainAug 17, 2010
Frankly I just prefer brutal combat over kicking or throwing a ball.
mariobroscomAug 17, 2010
Buried for that autoplaying "random post" video at the bottom of the post.
I don't see how either fantasy football or games could make anyone more or less of a geek. There are physical characteristics involved in that.
jawnehAug 20, 2010
Let's all agree to disagree. And that pretty much everyone is a geek and they should have real lives not virtual ones. nuff said.