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mjlittle99Feb 18, 2012
I agree that it is time to legalized drugs and is butter then spending billions keeping them illegal.
jgilbertsFeb 17, 2012
Amsterdam reference is interesting check the news in last 6 months. Amsterdam is rethinking.... May not be your best argument
rockyoumonkeysFeb 17, 2012
There's a huge difference between something like pot and something like cocaine or heroin.
You can't just legalize all of them, because some of them are absolutely deadly.
talphinFeb 17, 2012
Alcohol and Cigarettes are deadly. So is water if you drink enough of it. Your reasons for keeping certain other drugs illegal are baseless and pointless.
People are going to get them regardless of how legal they may be. And as long as they are illegal, the drug gangs and cartels will be right there to cater to them, profiting in the billions, and dragging the "war on drugs" on until the end of time. It will never end, and countless otherwise innocent people will lose their homes, families, freedoms and even their lives in the process until this ridiculous "war" is shut down.
You aren't saving any lives by keeping them illegal on the basis of them "being deadly". What you are in fact doing instead, is destroying countless more lives than need to be as a result.
rockyoumonkeysFeb 17, 2012
Dumbest thing I've ever heard. You may as well try to argue that handing out free handguns to kids will save lives.
talphinFeb 17, 2012
The same argument could be made for handguns and kids. Do you know how hard it is for a kid to get a gun? (providing his parents don't keep one within his reach). The same is true for drugs. It is a LOT harder for kids to get a hold of alcohol than it is for them to get a hold of a bag of crack. Why? Because they can't just walk into a liquor store and buy a bottle of whiskey, but they CAN walk up to a criminal and buy a bag of crack.
So why do the criminals sell bags of crack? Because they stand to profit from it. Why do they stand to profit from it? Because it's not being sold by legitimate, regulated corporations.
It's pretty simple logic.
rockyoumonkeysFeb 17, 2012
Meanwhile, the kid's gonna get himself killed whether he gets the gun illegally or not.
I think the harder it is for someone to get a gun, or heroin, or cocaine, the better. Making them legal for everyone and just handing them out isn't going to save any lives.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
talphinFeb 17, 2012
What you fail to realize is that keeping drugs illegal is not stopping anyone who wants them from getting them anyway. The same people who are using heroin now, would be the same people who would be using it if it were legal. Would you use heroin if they legalized it? I certainly wouldn't!
You completely fail to understand that by keeping them illegal, it is in fact EASIER for kids to get it. Not only because their irresponsible parents have it sitting out and available, but also because they can buy it from any drug dealer without them ever asking for ID. I mean, why would they ID? They don't care! As long as drugs are illegal, the only people selling them are criminals, and as long as criminals are the ones selling them, they don't care who buys them.
When you eliminate the drug dealer aspect of it, then you only need to worry about the irresponsible parents. The only way to eliminate the drug dealer aspect, is to legalize and regulate them. Law enforcement will NEVER be able to eradicate drug dealers, because every time you remove one, there are 10 more waiting to take his place.
Now aside from that, the real problem with the war on drugs is the fact that criminals are the ones controlling the drug trade, and they are willing to kill anyone who gets in their way. It empowers them with all the money they could ever need, and it allows them to purchase military grade weapons by the truck load, and hand them out to every 13 year old who wants to join their gang.
As a result of increased violence and power by drug gangs, our police force has been forced to militarize, making it even less safe for innocent people, because police are no longer trained to serve and protect, but rather trained as soldiers, which is to search and destroy. This means that the drug war is only moving us closer to a police state every day.
Then lets take into consideration the fact that our government has no right to tell anyone what they are allowed to put in their own body. That alone should be the only argument I need.
Not to mention the billions of dollars we sink into it every year with no results at all, the innocent families who have had their doors kicked in by swat teams, the millions of lives and families who have been torn apart by people being incarcerated instead of rehabilitated, families of police who lose people in drug raids, and the countless people who's lives are destroyed by the drug gang infestation in their communities.
The list goes on and on and on. And all for what? So we can keep wasting all of these lives and all of this money on a cause that will never end?
Seriously, if you haven't gotten the point by now, then you clearly have your head stuck so far up your delusional ass that it is utterly meaningless for me to continue arguing about it because you are simply too stubborn or too stupid to let the facts seep into the rational part of your brain. I'll let you decide which one you are.
copssaylegalizeFeb 17, 2012
The more dangerous a drug is, the more important it is that we begin to control, regulate, test and label it and take away the control and profits away from organized crime and cartels.
atomheartmotherFeb 16, 2012
No, it was both inappropriate and idiotic. Houston DID get her drugs through doctors rather than on the street. Had she died from ingesting poisonous street heroin, it might be a relevant point.
And the notion that legalizing drugs (not including marijuana, which is comparatively benign) will somehow help the problem is equally misguided. Before China outlawed opium in the mid 1900's, there were 70 million junkies in China--addicted mainly to opium, morphine and heroin. In some areas everyone even children, smoked opium.
The people of old China suffered terribly, and many poor people used their pennies on the pipe instead of food. Addicts often abandoned their children or even SOLD their children to buy more drugs. Addicted women were often forced to become prostitutes and many millions died of related diseases.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wjappeFeb 16, 2012
I seem to remember it was Great Britain's bright idea to bring and even force opium on to the Chinese despite the Chinese's government's objections.
atomheartmotherFeb 16, 2012
That doesn't change the fact that when prohibition on its use wasn't strictly enforced, the number of addicts exploded. After stricter penalties were imposed, it greatly dropped.
wjappeFeb 16, 2012
I'm trying to point out that Britain was rather evil about it all. Look up "Opium Wars" on Wiki. Much of it was forced down their throats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_wars
atomheartmotherFeb 16, 2012
That's not in dispute.
The fact remains.
thetwintowersFeb 18, 2012
It doesn't matter how many drugs you legalize - there will always be something else out there that isn't. And there are going to be people that want that. The cycle will never end. So not selling any, is as good as selling some of the "safer" ones.