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spinningheadAug 20, 2010
Fox is taking hypocrisy to new heights. Find the pattern here. Fox makes a fortune selling fear of terrorists while also making tones of money selling shares in Newscorp to terrorists.
spacem00seAug 21, 2010
Mirror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
novadeezAug 21, 2010
That's not what a mirror is.
joculatorAug 21, 2010
There's no mosque in the Pentagon.
ironhideAug 21, 2010
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/08/no-pentagon-mosque/
"The truth is that there is no "mosque" in the Pentagon, according to Army spokesman George Wright. There is a chapel inside the Pentagon where Muslim employees can go to pray, as ABC News recently reported. It’s just not exclusive to followers of Islam."
ironhideAug 21, 2010
Really? Two digg downs for posting non-political facts?
joculatorAug 21, 2010
Also, this is what Prince Al Waleed ibn Talal ibn Abdulaziz al Saud said that caused Guiliani to refuse the 10 million dollar donation.
"Our Palestinian brethren continue to be slaughtered at the hands of the Israelis while the world turns the other cheek," Al Waleed said. "At times like this one, we must address some of the issues that led to the criminal attack."
Sounds like there were some strings attached - at least in the Prince's mind. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 21, 2010
f**k Israel.
Not the Jewish people, just Israel.
pintomp3Aug 21, 2010
The community center isn't a mosque.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
There is a mosque within the community center though.
ironhideAug 21, 2010
@mgraves81 which still doesn't make the community center a mosque.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
"@mgraves81 which still doesn't make the community center a mosque."
Gee thanks for clarifying...WHAT I SAID. Did I say it made it a mosque? No, but I did say there is a mosque within the community center. Get it? Try not to distort my words.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ironhideAug 21, 2010
@mgraves81 - need a Valium? You seem a little high-strung.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
Good retort Ironhide. You realize that you are an idiot...so somehow I need a Valium. Well played.
pintomp3Aug 21, 2010
Prayer room != mosque.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
@pinto
"Prayer room != mosque. "
No, but...
mosque within community center = community center that has mosque in it
complicated...I know
pintomp3Aug 21, 2010
There is no mosque within the community center, they have a couple prayer rooms. Facts are not that complicated.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
@pinto
Odd, their own website describes it as a mosque. Apparently to you facts are complicated.
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions
"It will be a multi-floor community center open to all New Yorkers, much like a YMCA or Jewish Community Center (JCC) with a designated prayer space (mosque) in one area to serve the needs of the large existing community of American Muslims in the neighborhood."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
particleman420Aug 21, 2010
and so what if it did have a mosque in it?
what point are you trying to make?
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
You said:
"The community center isn't a mosque."
I said "There is a mosque within the community center though."
No point in particular besides the fact that your statement was a bit misleading. I know you think you are clever and I know you are just hoping that I go on some anti-muslim tirade but that is not going to happen. However, as a Christian, who is married to an immigrant agnostic Jewish woman (not from Israel...please note that I know this doesn't fit your narrative for people on my side of the aisle), I believe that ANY building damaged during the terror attacks of 9/11 should remain secular and not directly affiliated with any religion, UNLESS the damaged building was an existing place of worship.
Get it?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ddrskataAug 21, 2010
So, is a hospital with a chapel in it a church or a hospital?
maddoktor2Aug 21, 2010
Using that logic, that makes the YMCA a Church, mg.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
No I never said that it made the Community Center a mosque, I said there is a mosque in the community center. That doesn't mean it makes the entire center a mosque. Just because there is a men's clothing section in Macy's doesn't mean the whole damn place is a men's clothing store.
And DDR to answer your question its a hospital.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
particleman420Aug 21, 2010
you also never answered my very simple question and instead decided to keep arguing semantics that dont even matter.
i ask again mgraves81, so what if it has a mosque in it? what is the point you are trying to make by arguing that it does?
particleman420Aug 22, 2010
well that's surprising. no reply.
/s
mgraves81Aug 23, 2010
I did answer you idiot. Try reading sometime.
"No point in particular besides the fact that your statement was a bit misleading. I know you think you are clever and I know you are just hoping that I go on some anti-muslim tirade but that is not going to happen. However, as a Christian, who is married to an immigrant agnostic Jewish woman (not from Israel...please note that I know this doesn't fit your narrative for people on my side of the aisle), I believe that ANY building damaged during the terror attacks of 9/11 should remain secular and not directly affiliated with any religion, UNLESS the damaged building was an existing place of worship"
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
particleman420Aug 23, 2010
sorry, that still is just a bunch of bulls**t deflection.
my question was simple and straight forward. but alas, you pull the "my best friend's a jew, i cant be racist" card and try and change the subject, yet again.
getoffmybridgeAug 21, 2010
There's no basement at the Alamo.
draggonguyAug 21, 2010
Canadian Mirror:
http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart/full-episodes/#clip337023
bamazombiepunchAug 21, 2010
Just doing what he does best.
partrowAug 21, 2010
Not another shameless Stewart promo on Digg . . .
nick027Aug 21, 2010
If you had bothered to watch what you are trying to slander, you'd have seen a bipartisan appeal to reason, upholding The Constitution, and Jon praising Charlton Heston and the god damn NRA. I can understand why you'd want to attack the source instead of the message, but the message here is as clarion and as agreeable as not setting fire to orphans. The fact that you went for Stewart despite this shows you have no balls, no shame, and you have no business continuing to breathe. I say good day sir!
sasquatchbillAug 21, 2010
Nick027 is a lot more eloquent than I. He says 'good day,' and I say ' What he said, plus: f**k off and die you prick.'
tyrghastAug 21, 2010
Pay attention to the clips used to criticize these idiots, you ignorant Digg Patriots: they aren't all just Fox 'News', its just Fox spews an unbelievable amount of bs, propaganda and lies compared to the rest of the MSM.
tyrghastAug 21, 2010
missed the edit timer so here goes an afterthought:
It was absolutely wonderful for Jon to admit, in retrospect, his outrage following Columbine was irrational and ignorant of the Constitution/Bill of Rights.
soc7Aug 21, 2010
One of Stewart's better segments. He seemed genuinely frustrated and still managed to keep it funny. All I could think of was the Kevin Bacon meme with the connect the dots going on. And I no longer have any respect for Eric Bolling.
krandenAug 21, 2010
Thank you Charlton Heston.
scathisAug 21, 2010
wtf
sup3rsh3epAug 21, 2010
Heston speech at the end is PERFECT. Beautifully articulates why opposition to the mosque is wrong, despite people's opinions on 'the wisdom' of putting it there.
scathisAug 21, 2010
wtf
scathisAug 21, 2010
wtf
scathisAug 21, 2010
wTf
joculatorAug 21, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boEAKeXDl4A&
nonmagicalAug 21, 2010
Wow Charlton Heston's speech matched up amazingly well.
norrisobeAug 21, 2010
Fox news have been trying to create an extremist image with Rev. Wright, Shirley Sherrod, Van Jones and now Imam Rauf.
And guess what? it doesn't work.
When will the douches at news Corp. realise that associating someone with something they are not related to does not prove anything? I mean it's not like they are a famous tycoon family whose family members were Presidents and have dealt businesses with the family of the man who flew planes into the World Trace Centre or anything, or it's not like they are folks who goes to Baghdad to shake hands with a dictator who will be toppled by the same man 23 years later.
youareretardedAug 21, 2010
I beg to differ, sadly it does work. It worked when fox helped Bush push for the Iraq war and it has worked in dividing this country and keep it from moving forward.
Stupidity is what helps pay fox's bills and idiots are easy to manipulate thus creating a perpetual money machine;)
fifteenstepperAug 21, 2010
Is Jon Stewart a fascist, Communist, racist, anti-Semitic pig? I'm just asking questions!!
/GB
jektalAug 21, 2010
Hey.... Aren't you that guy? Yeah, I know you!
You raped and murdered that girl!
sup3rsh3epAug 21, 2010
No, I think you got him confused with someone else. Cause my understanding is he murdered THEN raped that girl.
skinturtleAug 21, 2010
Initially I had concerns about the building of a mosque there because before doing any research on it...I assumed they wanted to build it right on the site of ground zero. I was wrong to speak before getting the facts straight. When I learned it was 4 blocks away...I was like "What?"..."What's so terrible about that then?"
So since I\ve changed my opinion.
Organizations like Fox news are run by corrupt people who support a corrupt GOP. They say they are conservative,,,but the only thing they want to conserve is the support they get from corporations like big and big media. That's why guys like Rupert Murdoch like them because they cater to his corporate agenda.
I think Islam is hogwash...but I respect people's rights to believe how they wish. Now that everyone is pretty much aware that this mosque is actually 4 blocks away....these guys get on TV and now try to spin it with a different angle...that they "might" terrorists!
Who runs the US anyways? The gov or News Corp? It's really a shame that Fox News exists....seriously it is.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
I'm for freedom of the press, I am just saying FOX News should be shut down.
The irony and the hypocrisy of the Daily Show and the left makes me laugh. Cue the appeasers saying its just a comedy show, yet defending it tirelessly.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sup3rsh3epAug 21, 2010
I never said FOX can't exist, just that it isn't news.
propethicAug 21, 2010
Duur nobody brought up that complaint until your post. Very amateur troll attempt
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
Riiiiight. DiggBarr just making s**t up. No one ... NO ONE one Digg ever tirelessly defends Daily Show yet argues its just a comedy show when it comes down to a matter of convenience. Yep I make s**t up. Hey Obama Admin...how is that summer of recovery going?
"Duur nobody brought up that complaint until your post. Very amateur troll attempt"
I said CUE. That means its coming you dolt. DUUUUUUUURRRR to you. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
propethicAug 21, 2010
Cue what? You're manufacturing outrage just to get a comment in
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
I am not manufacturing outrage. I legitimately dislike The Daily Show and all the people that reference but when it becomes convenient go on a tangent about how it's just a comedy show.
There is nothing manufactured here. I believe in what I believe. I know that can be a hard concept for some of you but it is true that there are people that use the INTerWeBz that don't want to slobber on the scrotum of Jon Stewart, toss the salad of Colbert, did not vote for Barack Obama, believe in the abilities of the individual more than the abilities of the government, etc.
But go ahead and believe what you want to about me, it just furthers my belief that you are an ignorant fool.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sasquatchbillAug 21, 2010
But wait...
Comedy often hides a point through mockery and laughter. Mel Brooks made a genius of a satire in "Blazing Saddles." Racism was prevalent through the movie, and purposefully so: the point was to mock racism by letting you laugh AT it.
The Daily Show does the same thing, and while sometimes it's just drivel, it's also sometime very clear and poignant comedy with a point and a purpose. If people say, "It's a legitimate news source!" they are forgetting that it's a comedy show. If they say "It's a comedy show!" and forget that it too has a bias and a story it's trying to sell, once again they are wrong. The point is that it is both, and if you can't remember that it's both, you're missing the point.
The point here is that in this clip the Daily Show raises a legitimate point, amidst the laughter, and there's nothing wrong with either of those things. Those of us who watch it with a bit of intelligence recognize that. If you don't see that, then, well... you're wrong, and you're missing the point. If you disagree, then maybe a legitimate rebuttal would be worthwhile, not to mention a helluva lot more effective than 'stop licking John's balls.' Until you can do that, you're just another piece of s**t idiot with nothing useful to say.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
Sooooo you are saying the Daily Show can have it both ways...huh? Interesting. pfffft. I have said it before and I will say it again. I used to LOVE LOVE LOVE the Daily Show, however, when I saw Stewart drool all over Sen. Kerry during the 2004 cycle I lost interest and the show was downhill from there. They have become pathetic. All they do is moan and groan about FOX. It's sad........no, really, really sad.
I am not questioning the laughter. I am questioning the legitimacy. I am questioning the agenda (just as Stewart does every day regarding FOX)
"Those of us who watch it with a bit of intelligence recognize that. "
Subtle condescension...very clever. However, those of us with A LOT of intelligence recognize that the Daily Show is a joke, and I don't mean that in a flattering sense.
Oh look Jon Stewart busted out a chalkboard and made fun of Glenn Beck....ohhhhhh hahahaha he is sooooooo funny and smart! Ooooh I love Jon Stewart...sure he never backs up anything he says...but golly...I sure like WHAT he says!!!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
retrodigg123Aug 21, 2010
Umm... Jon Stewart frequently backs up what he says, unlike Glenn Beck.
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
Yes because Beck just uses the chalk board to draw stick figures and rainbows.
/s
You may want to check out some of his books too, he uses these crazy things called citations. Weeeeeiiiird!
particleman420Aug 21, 2010
its too bad you didnt watch the video
mgraves81Aug 21, 2010
Weird...video? Is that what you call the photo box with motion moving across the bright square like device before my eyes?
ddrskataAug 21, 2010
You probably won't even have to burn that straw man. It'll just blow over from the force of the hot air spewing forth from your noise hole.
nick027Aug 21, 2010
Terrible title and name, Monkeeboi.
skinturtleAug 21, 2010
Oh..and by the way...I think he meant to say, "Abraham"....not "Moses".
craighwkAug 21, 2010
Naw, he meant Moses.
skinturtleAug 21, 2010
Moses has nothing to do with Islam.
naz2292Aug 21, 2010
He is talking about the role Heston played in The Ten Commandments, which was Moses.
Also Moses (or Musa for the Arabic name) like many other prophets from Judaism and Christianity, are referred to in Islam.
crispixkingdomAug 21, 2010
That was quality. It's episodes like this that make me trust Jon Stewart over anyone else on television to tell the truth.
joculatorAug 21, 2010
Stewart didn't claim the community center is a mosque in this video. I'm sure it's a mistake, but it comes off like a FOX News tactic for him to say there's a mosque in the Pentagon. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
10452bghfAug 21, 2010
Jon Stewart is effin right all the way.....no doubt
but I'm still against the mosque being built there because the majority of my fellow Americans are still hurt by 9/11...
I'm still hurt, not only by the 9/11 tragedy but too the tragedy of my home country that islam has destroyed
for over 30 years, just because they could not accept Israel.
so islam have a long way to gain our trust
and I'm for one does not trust that religion...
The world is tribal
support your tribe...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 21, 2010
That's because you have been brainwashed to believe America is at war with Islam. Since this is a Christian nation, and the nutjobs that attacked us were Muslims, naturally, they declared war on America because we are Christians, and we must repel our Muslim attackers before they can spread.
You just might be dumber than DavidNiven.
10452bghfAug 21, 2010
I was not brainwashed, you just happened not to have enough experience...
just read the word of my OP and don't assume nothing more nor less...
mikemx7fAug 21, 2010
"The world is tribal
support your tribe..."
There lies the sentiment behind the vast majority of all tragedies in the world.
10452bghfAug 21, 2010
when the world slap you on one cheek, I'm not going to turn my other cheek
PS: don''t assume anything I did not write
vermifaxAug 21, 2010
Some Americans, who happened to be Muslim, died in the towers on Sept. 11, 2001.
Some Americans, who happened to be Muslim, rush into the wreckage to help survivors.
Some Americans, who happened to be Muslim, signed up in the U.S. Military to fight in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Some Americans, who happened to be Muslim, supported the McCain/Palin ticket in 2008.
Some Americans, who happened to be Muslim, serve in the U.S. Congress.
Some Americans, who happened to be Muslim, received Bronze Stars & Purple Hearts.
Some Americans, who happened to be Muslim, are interred at Arlington National Cemetery... like him:
http://makkah.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/kareem-rashad-sultan-khan-american-hero1.jpg?w=500
Do you still want to talk about "tribes"...?
10452bghfAug 21, 2010
the key phrase you missed is the following
"because the >majority< of my fellow Americans are still hurt"
I don't deny anybody sorrow but neither mine or the >majority< of my fellow AmericansComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
vermifaxAug 21, 2010
So for you, if I understand you correctly:
You're not concerned about %100 of the American population, just your perceived "majority"?
The key word YOU missed was "Americans". This gives you a bright future in right-wing politics.
10452bghfAug 21, 2010
well it seem you don't understand correctly because you have an agenda to push
you assume something and your magic word is right-wing
sorry to disappoint you....
try to draw a parallel of this tragedy to your own life maybe you'll understand...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
vermifaxAug 21, 2010
Okay, assh**e.
I tried to be civil about this but, you need the "tough love":
My 'agenda' is for ALL tax-paying, law-abiding Americans. If you don't want to be a right-winger, then don't be a xenophobic, borderline-racist, 'fraidy-cat right-winger!
Be an American and stick up for ALL of our citizen's rights and quit blaming one religion you don't belong to for everything that's screwed up in this world.
THe assh**es who knocked down the Towers STRAYED from Islam. Islam didn't do 9/11. Extremist assh**es did.
Please, get your perspective in check. Thank you.
10452bghfAug 22, 2010
you know when you squeeze an orange, orange juice comes out
when you squeeze rotten people, s**t comes out...exactly like you
that's is my answer to your assh**e comment and I'm impressed you did not forget to capitalize the "A" you did your homework here buddy...
you use words you don't even know the meaning, or don't apply to the subject you are attacking
but that is your shortcoming in life and you should work on them...
now for the intelligent stuff if you can "U"nderstand "C"orrectly ?
when I read about conflicts in Philippine, Thailand, Ivory Coast, Cyprus, East Timor, India, Indonesia, province of Ambon, Indonesia, province of Halmahera, Kashmir, Kurdistan, Macedonia, Middle East, Nigeria, Chechnya, Sudan, Uganda and maybe more...
further more, I lived in a war of aggression and see my own country suffering for over 30 years all this and the conflicts above perpetrated by muslims I'll take a chance and be called xenophobic by a digger who is confused by the multiple holes in his body that he does not know the difference between his upper one and the bottom one that's why he need to spit s**t of ignorance and call it though love...yeah right !
Ruhollah Khomeini
Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. . . . But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
Once the above quote does not ring true to millions and millions and millions of muslims in half of dozens of countries, till then I would not trust that religion...
and it is from personal experience...
I don't know from where you want me to get my perspective if it is not from personal experience ?
vermifaxAug 22, 2010
I get it. You hate Muslims.
Well, Boo-Hoo. I've got to tolerate Catholic pedophiles, Federal Building Bombers, people who protest the soldiers at their funerals & George W. Bush being "ordered by God" to invade Iraq. Let alone, people who kill doctors in church.
If you want to deny Americans their Constitutional rights because they happen to be Muslim then, please get the f**k out of my country.
We've got enough problems without your divisive hatred.
10452bghfAug 22, 2010
No, don't tolerate those bastards Catholic pedophiles, Federal Building Bombers, people who protest the soldiers at their funerals & George W. Bush being "ordered by God" to invade Iraq. Let alone, people who kill doctors in church.
you see, I get common sense, I get what is right and what is not...
continue reading you don't have to get upset yet, read with a clear mind...
I'm not denying their constitutional right, actually I'm using my constitutional right to oppose something in a peaceful way and all I wrote in my comments are historical facts that you can verify from multiple sources and by your own ignorance and hate you are telling me I should go out of your country as if you are the private owner.
hate is flowing from you...
FYI
"Ruhollah" it's not a cute nickname he used on facebook
the word means "the soul of allah" but in the context of khomeini it means "the voice of allah"
once you absorb this, take a break and comeback to continue reading
in the end it all comes down to this
millions and millions and millions of muslims in half of dozens of countries (BUT NOT ALL) muslims are telling you, you don't have to hate us we hate you...
only if you prove to me you are an "alim" and you can correct Ruhollah Khomeini
if this is the case I suggest to you to take a flight to iran to enlighten them with your deep knowledge of islam, may I suggest another advice,
take it one way you will not be needing the round trip...
Ruhollah Khomeini
Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. . . . But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
anawnymooseAug 21, 2010
My "tribe" is American. Black, white, brown, yellow, muslim, christian, pagan, jew. They don't stop being my countrymen just because I don't share every belief they have.
10452bghfAug 21, 2010
that is why you should respect the majority of your American tribe including (Black, white, brown, yellow, muslim, christian, pagan, jew, atheist, hindu, buddhist, and anything else)
there are blacks, whites, brown, yellow, christians, atheists, jews, hindus, buddhists who are against it
and please the key word is majority...as high as 70%
PS: I never met any pagans and I never met muslims who are against it that is why they seem that they don't belong to our tribe (by their own detachment of our collectif mourning)
which bring me to my initial point
islam have a long way to gain our trust
and I'm for one does not trust that religion...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anawnymooseAug 22, 2010
But I'm a white, Buddhist, 8th generation American and I'm not against it. 9/11 was horrible but it was also nearly 10 years ago and there are many other objectionable things in the area.
Look at it this way, there have been several Christian militias and Christian terrorists inside the US who have bombed buildings hurt people. Do we apply that kind of scrutiny to Christian churches? No, because the vast majority are nothing like that. Why is this an implausible approach to apply to Muslims? Because they're not the majority here?
I hate to pull out the old cliche, but if you let fear and emotion overcome logic you're letting the terrorists win.
10452bghfAug 22, 2010
No, not at all, you are not out of our tribe even if you are not against it
because Buddhist did not perpetrated that horrible event.
you have a different opinion because you might not have enough experience with muslims to make a sound judgment...I don't know your story...
again I'm not saying they are not allowed to build a mosque, I'm not saying they cannot practice their religion according to the law...
I'm saying I'm against it and I prefer it to be build some where else, where the majority of my fellow Americans would feel comfortable (it is not without merit)
we are proud, we are tolerant...
and we are asking to tolerate our mourning, maybe it will take 20 years who knows...
when you look somewhere else at the opposing of mosques building you will see the opposition drop at a free fall level in other districts example in Brooklyn.
another example
There is no Christian or anyone else for that matter who danced in the streets of Paris, LA or any where when the sad event of the pakistani flood, maybe a pico minority danced in their houses but they will never have been supported by anyone...and if they do I'll spit on them.
on the other hand we have a head of state (iran) denying the tragic events of 9/11, denying the Holocaust, the majority of muslims deny those events including London bombings 07/07, Madrid train bombings, for them it is all a conspiracy of the west against them.
do you see a pattern here ?
read my other comments to get a clearer picture
take it that way
do you think Ron Goldman's family would like oj simpsons be in a movie and find fame and glory again ?
even he was acquitted and found innocent after a lengthy trial
tell me the truth would you invite him to a Synagogue where the Goldman's family attend ?
even it is been over a decade ago ???
no my friend, you would not...correct me if I'm wrong
but if he want to attend on his own he have the right, but let me tell you
even the Police will try to persuade him not to enter on the ground of maintaining the peace and respect to the Goldman's family.
if he enter it's his right he will just be hated more...
littledasAug 21, 2010
You are tribal. We are, many of us, better than you.
10452bghfAug 21, 2010
We are all Americans, and that's is our larger tribe
but the facts remains the same
LA riot, blacks were revolted not whites
OJ Simpson trial, whites were revolted not blacks
9/11 muslims rejoiced not Americans
do you get the hint ?
on 9/11 why did pallis danced in the street of gaza ?
did they liberate Yerushalayim ?
did they reconquered an inch of their disputed land ?
No and No..........
they are supporting their tribe for no direct benefit what so ever...
so yeah the world is tribal
it's harsh, but I rather face reality than live an illusionary utopia....
Ruhollah Khomeini
Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. . . . But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.
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vermifaxAug 21, 2010
Anyone who rejoiced on 9/11 was not a Muslim, Jew or a Christian. Just an assh**e.
anawnymooseAug 22, 2010
That "dancing in the streets" was actually stock footage from a different area in a different time. This fact came out less than a month after 9/11.
10452bghfAug 22, 2010
@anawnymoose
show me official sources
AFAIK it was misinformation
they did dance in the streets and it is verifiable from multiple sources and from different countries
let me tell you about a personal experience a type of misinformation
On Tuesday 11 September around 20:00 I went to a cafe/bar where a lot of ME's hang out
and I heard comments that the Jews did it and they received IM's not to show up that morning at the WTC, same night a bit later I called family members that live in Canada and they said same comments were heard at a pizzeria they owned...
how do factory workers at a cafe/bar and street vendors in a different country would say the same comments around 12 hours after the 9/11 tragedy and have such knowledge of secret communication between the Israelis and the Jews at the WTC...
I call it collective conscience, a tribal survivor/defense...
you have to live with them to know them...
the same goes to vermifax calling me right-wing without any proof
that's his liberal tribal survivor/defense
back to the subject, here's what I found
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp
Claim: CNN used old footage to fake images of 'Palestinians dancing in the street' after the terrorist attack on the USA.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]
All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In particular, one set of images called my attention: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of communications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue. A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape.
But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Finally, I'd like to say that we all regret and condemn all that has happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point here. I really don't want to be misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had shown no respect for other countries in the last decades. In the 60s and 70s they had helped lots of military coups throughout the world (including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush Father, the Washington Consensus have been demolishing the bases of our economies, making us more and more dependent (and, many of us, preoccupied with this situation).
Your current president quickly made things worse: Kyoto Protocol, Star Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain forest for pieces of external debt, the abandonment of the position of third party in negotiations between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those mistakes in US external politics made your country more hatred than before, and, of course, more vulnerable.
Origins: No, CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 — a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles. The person who made the claim quoted above has since recanted.
(The argument that the footage CNN used could not possibly be real because it showed Palestinians in broad daylight not long after the attack — even though Palestinian territory is several time zones ahead of New York — is not valid. Eastern Daylight Time in the United States is six hours behind the area of the Middle East referred to as Palestine. Thus, when the first attack occurred in New York just before 9:00 A.M., Palestine time would have been 3:00 P.M., and the area would still have been bathed in plenty of mid-afternoon sunlight.)
Reuters, the international news agency whose camera crew shot the footage, issued the following statement:
Reuters rejects as utterly baseless an allegation being circulated by e-mail and the Internet claiming that it circulated 10-year-old videotape to illustrate Palestinians celebrating in the wake of the September 11 tragedies in the United States.
Reuters welcomes a statement by the Universidad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil (UNICAMP), one of whose students was the author of the original e-mail, setting the record straight.
The videotape in question was shot in East Jerusalem by a Reuters camera crew on September 11 in the immediate aftermath of the attacks on the United States. The footage was broadcast by CNN and other subscribers to the Reuters video news service.
Said CNN of the matter:
There is absolutely no truth to the information that is now distributed on the Internet that CNN used 10-year-old video when showing the celebrating of some Palestinians in East Jerusalem after the terror attacks in the U.S. The video was shot that day by a Reuters camera crew. CNN is a client of Reuters and like other clients, received the video and broadcast it. Reuters officials have publicly made the facts clear as well.
The allegation is false. The source of the allegation has withdrawn it and apologized. It was started by a Brazilian student who now says he immediately posted a correction once he knew the information was not true. This is the statement by his university — UNICAMP — Universidad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil.
OFFICIAL STATEMENT by Universidad de Campinas-Brasil
17/09/01
UNICAMP (Universidad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil) would like to announce that it has no knowledge of a videotape from 1991, whose images supposedly aired on CNN showing Palestinians celebrating the terrorist attacks in the U.S. The tape was supposedly from 1991, and there were rumors that the images were passed off as current.
This information was later denied, as soon as it proved false, by Márcio A. V. Carvalho, a student at UNICAMP. He approached the administration today, 17.09.2001, to clarify the following:
* the information he got, verbally, was that a professor from another institution (not from UNICAMP) had the tape;
* he sent the information to a discussion group e-mail list;
* many people from this list were interested in the subject and requested more details;
* he again contacted the person who first gave him the information and the person denied having the tape;
* the student immediately sent out a note clarifying what happened to the people from his e-mail list.
The original message, however, was distributed all over the world, often with many distortions, including a falsified by-line article from the student. He affirms that a hacker attacked his domain. Several E-mails have been sent on his behalf and those dating from 15.09.2001 should be ignored.
Among the distortions is the fact that UNICAMP would be analyzing the tape, which is absolutely false. The administration considers this alert definitive and will be careful to avoid new rumors.
Certainly CNN wasn't the only news organization to report on the reaction of some Palestinians to the events of September 11, as other outlets such as Reuters and the Los Angeles Times carried the same story. Also, other news outlets such as Fox and The Jerusalem Post reported that journalists were threatened for capturing images of Palestinian celebrations, making real footage of the event harder to obtain:
Palestinian Authority actions to confiscate film footage of Palestinians celebrating the terror attacks on the US were logical to prevent the media from painting the wrong picture of Palestinian sentiment, Bassam Abu Sharif, an adviser to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat.
"This was a normal preventive act . . . we don't want to give more to the Zionist propaganda which portrays all Palestinians as terrorists," he said. "The idea is that these people were not allowed to film, because a small group of people on film would represent the Palestinian people as a whole."
The footage was real. It's a shame, in fact, that its provenance was doubted because the lives of journalists who have attempted to capture similar acts on video have been threatened. That this tape made it out at all is a miracle. But CNN's reputation was besmirched by a single person, a Brazilian student who reported (without verification) that the footage in question actually came from a 1991 report
on "Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait," a copy of which was in the possession of one of his teachers. (Actually, the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq took place in 1990, and it's unlikely anyone captured images of Palestinians "celebrating" that event. If CNN had used similar footage, it probably came from the Palestinian reaction to Iraq's launching of missiles at Israel during the Persian Gulf War in 1991.)
Subsequent rumors that the "Israeli Defense Agency" sent a film crew to hand out candy to Palestinians in order to induce them into staging a "celebration" for the cameras appear to be equally unfounded. However, this issue does emphasize a point that appears to have been overlooked in the debate over whether video was re-used from a previous year or not: that images themselves are not the whole story. A news report can be accompanied by stock footage and still be fair and accurate, but a news report accompanied by current footage is not necessarily either fair or accurate. A simple news clip doesn't always provide us with enough context to discern what the people depicted in it are reacting to, why they're reacting the way they are, or whether their actions are representative of a large group of people or a very small one, as an Italian journalist in Beirut reported:
Trying to find our bearings, my husband and I went into an American-style cafe in the Hamra district, near Rue Verdun, rated as one of the most expensive shopping streets in the world. Here the cognitive dissonance was immediate, and direct. The cafe's sophisticated clientèle was celebrating, laughing, cheering and making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet Pepsi. Nobody looked shocked, or moved. They were excited, very excited.
An hour later, at a little market near the U.S. Embassy, on the outskirts of Beirut, a thrilled shop assistant showed us, using his hands, how the plane had crashed into the twin towers. He, too, was laughing.
Once back at the house where we were staying, we started scanning the international channels. Soon came reports of Palestinians celebrating. The BBC reporter in Jerusalem said it was only a tiny minority. Astonished, we asked some moderate Arabs if that was the case. "Nonsense," said one, speaking for many. "Ninety percent of the Arab world believes that Americans got what they deserved."
An exaggeration? Rather an understatement. A couple of days later, we headed north to Tripoli, near the Syrian border. On the way, we read that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who donated blood in front of the cameras, was rejecting any suggestion that his people were rejoicing over the terrorist attack. "It was less than 10 children in Jerusalem," he said.
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10452bghfAug 22, 2010
at last somebody who acknowledge the bare minimum
yes 9/11 changed a lot of people for the worst, let me explain to you
I did not meet a muslim, and I know a lot of muslims they work with me, from Lebanese muslims to gazans to moroccans to algerians to syrians
none of them after becoming friends and speaking in their language that did not showed sympathy to OBL and none of them did not have an excuse about 9/11
all of therm started by saying, yes it is very bad BUT....that BUT comes all the time,you get the picture ?
now look at it and think as a neutral person
why would 100% of more than 2 dozens of mulsims see something that the majority of none muslims (in my case Polish, Russians, Irish, Latinos) don't see it the same way ?
the only explanation is the world tribal...
check my complete post with "LA riot" and tell me it was not tribal ?
here is another example
I'm a guy who lived through wars, yes I had bombs dropping over my house, my neighborhood, my school, my city and my country and you know who were the perpetrators ?
muslims...
if it was only my fellow muslim country men I would say it is a civil war and I would NOT call the world is tribal...
but you know which national muslims were participating ?
my fellow muslim country men, pakistanis, somalians, afghanis, alegerians, iranians, saudis, syrians AFAIK, maybe more
why do I tell you this ?
if that war was today I would understand that it is possible people learn about a conflict by Internet or other communication medium and they took the initiative to come help their fellow muslims on their own (even this is tribal)
but in 1970 all those nationals that came to fight against my very tiny country with an even tinier Christian majority in a sea of muslims it had to be an organized affair and pay attention we don't have any conflict with any of those countries except maybe with syria.
so all the muslims that invaded my country to fight against us were all tribal
because the war was unjust against us the whole conflict was because we did not want the pallis launch attacks against Israel from our borders...
did they care about us ?
NO, they supported their tribe no matter what the cause or the price be it just or unjust....
so to say "We are now post-tribal."
it is a noble thought, but facts on the ground and around me does not support your statement
of course there is exceptions but the majority that make the norm >when it is with merit<
and this time it have merit for the majority of my fellow American tribe...
perrymAug 21, 2010
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