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Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Coming soon to YouTube from Chris Crocker - "Leave Dr Laura alone!"
dcjoedogv2Aug 18, 2010
no
davidtromAug 18, 2010
She have her 1st Amendt right. She doesn't have the right to NOT be called racist when she uses her right to say racist things.
When people agree with her. listen to her show so she can make millions on the advertisers who sponsor her show is perfectly happy with the 1st Amendment, conversely when people disagree, stop listening to her show and sponsors drop her, she belly-ache about people not likening her
C'mon you rode your 1st. amendment all the way to the bank.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
...except she didn't say anything racist.
Did you even bother to listen to the clip, or are you just going off on some unwarranted emotional tangent?
Hmmm. I wonder.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
therednewtAug 18, 2010
Just because you disagree with others' assessment, or even if they are wrong, she still didn't have her rights infringed upon. Your rights do not protect you from judgment from others. That's part of THEIR first amendment rights.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
No, she didn't have her rights infringed upon, but she didn't say anything racist.
That's my point.
sanmanAug 18, 2010
But why doesn't Obama speak up in defense of her First Amendment rights, since he's been so willing to do it in recent times?
Or are First Amendment rights to be selectively defended?
Or wouldn't he possibly just backtrack the next day, depending on what the poll reactions showed?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wasabibombAug 18, 2010
@sanman: "But why doesn't Obama speak up in defense of her First Amendment rights, since he's been so willing to do it in recent times?"
BECAUSE HER FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING INFRINGED UPON.
It's very simple. I can only imagine the only reason you're having difficulty understanding it is because you don't want to understand it.
ninjaofpatienceAug 18, 2010
I'm white and I can jump, and I am offended.
spinningheadAug 18, 2010
@sanman
How were her first amendment rights violated?
ljseinfeldAug 18, 2010
The racist part wasn't her use of the word "gentlemen". It was her implying that black people only voted for Obama only because he's black. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
manlyandyAug 18, 2010
Actually she did say racist things.
She took a very prominent black civil rights group, the NAACP, and turned it into a pejorative(don't NAACP me). She also totally dismissed legitimate complaints of a black woman as over-sensitivity rather than admit that racism happens and not always in a straight forward way.
She doesn't have to say, "I hate black people" in order for it to be racist.
phucktardedAug 18, 2010
You guys are obviously not listening to the same clip. The caller didn't imply relatives saying gentlemen, but she asked about whether gentlemen is an appropriate word. Dr Laura didn't skirt the question and go on about gentlemen, she was asked about gentlemen.
It is very true that some of people (of every race) voted for Obama just because he was black, and I'm sure people voted for McCain because he was white.
Dr.Laura said nothing wrong or racist. She simply countered the caller's question of the word gentlemen with the fact that many black people say gentlemen in every other sentence. The thought that black people can say gentlemen because they are black is racist. If black people who fought for desegregation and civil rights were alive today they would s**t themselves over how the black community has now voluntarily segregated themselves (BET, Ebony magazine, etc.), and how the word gentlemen is used more so now then it was back in slavery times.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
@GeneralObvious Not sure what your point is. She knows the n-word is offensive to a portion of her listeners and sponsors and she decided to use it liberally and flippantly in her talk show. No different than if she decided to have a show asking why you can't swear on the radio and then went on a tear shouting 'f**k' 100 times.
She has a right to say what she wants and her sponsors and employers have a right to react to it, which apparently they did when she sheepishly apologized the next day.
Of course the apology was as fake as the title "Dr." she uses.
I think its fine that she decided that podcasting will give her more freedom of expression but she's playing false martyr by even trying to compare her bulls**t situation to a first-amendment violation.
archiesteelAug 18, 2010
"The thought that black people can say gentlemen because they are black, but white people or any non-black race can't, is racist."
No, it's not. There is such a thing as historical context.
torrangeAug 18, 2010
By completely using the caller's question to go on her rant (she never did address the caller's concerns) shows sublime racism. She said don't NAACP me, if that is not racist, it is completely insensitive.
I live in the south and have heard numerous,stereotypical southerner's use the same argument. Delivered in the right context, the word is very racist and everyone with half a brain knows that. Why is there a sense of entitlement with the word or even a deep concern that a white person cannot use the word. Who cares? Not sure if I have ever used the word but I can tell you that i can go to my grave without using it and I think I will be OK.
torrangeAug 18, 2010
I never said you can't say the word because you are white, I implied that those that feel the NEED to use the word are insensitive pricks. Who cares, it is a word, drop it from your vocabulary and stop worrying about what the other people are saying. Walk a mile before arguing your right to use a word that hurts a lot of people.
BTW what context are you using the word? I cannot imagine how a white person can use it without, at the least, sounding like a complete idiot. The only time I have ever heard it used by a white person was with derogatory intent.
She addressed the caller's concerns for about 2 seconds with a sanctimonious reply before leaping into her tirade.
ddrskataAug 18, 2010
The rant was racist. It was basically like, "Why are you black people so sensitive about racist things people do?
zenmojoAug 18, 2010
Dr. Laura said that people worried about racial sensitivity shouldn't marry outside of their race. How are people ignoring this?
She implied that white people are going to say racist stuff no matter what.
bobadobalinaAug 18, 2010
"But why doesn't Obama speak up in defense of her First Amendment rights, since he's been so willing to do it in recent times?"
Because this is "proof" racism still exists in America. It will help him keep playing the race card anytime his critics point out what failure he is regarding something he can't blame on BushComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
phucktardedAug 18, 2010
Actually torrange archiesteel implied white people can't say that word, I didn't say you did.
I'm not white.
and you have heard a white person say gentlemen without derogatory intent, Dr.Laure said it without a derogatory intent.
Her rant wasn't about "why black people are sensitive about racist things". It was about why do black people pull the race card about the N word (used in any context) from a non black, and say it is a hurtful term that should be abolished, yet go on to say the N word amongst their own company all the time?
You shouldn't marry outside your race if your hypersensitive about race because it will be an issue your whole marriage. That is insensitive but not racist. Nothing the Dr said was racist or derogatory. Insensitive? Some parts were. Racist? Absolutely not.
For the record I don't give a s**t about Dr.Laura.
phucktardedAug 18, 2010
Also Torrange how is it not clear to you that the caller asks about gentlemen. Dr. Laura doesn't rant about it after answering "with a sanctimonious reply". She is asked for her opinion. ASKED FOR HER OPINION. Listen to the clip about 10 more times before you say anything. SHE WAS ASKED FOR HER OPINION. OPINION.
opinion- meaning someone's POV on a subject.
She responded by providing her opinion. Shocker I know, but that's the normal protocol when asked for an opinion.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
davidtromAug 18, 2010
.......except the issue is: was her 1st Amendment right trampled or not.
She said something that may or may not be racist and some people took issue with it and voiced their opinion. As far as I am concern that is the way is suppose to work, she had not issue when people agree with her. Even though most of her talk is inane, but she made millions on her inane advice.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
P.S: I agree, what she said is not (straight-up) racist
phidelt930Aug 18, 2010
I think it's more likely the nword rather than the sword that did her in. (see what I did there??)
ljseinfeldAug 18, 2010
<Trebek> That's S-WORDS...</Trebek>
otakuladAug 18, 2010
Those were some of the funniest moments on SNL. Sucks that they make youtube remove them.
jbellaAug 18, 2010
The first amendment does not mean that anything you say will be free of consequences.
endustryAug 18, 2010
She has a right to discuss controversial issues--what else is radio useful for anymore?--but she lacks the common sense to know when her abrasive, Judge Judy demeanor will undermine her from the get go. We're all used to political pundits gruffly stating wild opinions but race is not a political issue (at least not exclusively.)
cam_86Aug 18, 2010
Anyone else find it INCREDIBLY suspicious that she claims she is being genuine when she apologizes for saying those words, than uses it as a segue to say her rights are being trampled? I mean she says herself she was in the wrong, but than acts as if its a perfect example of her being a victim. Doesn't that make her a textbook sociopath?
"Sorry i called you those vile words. I really feel upset about it, and am very, truly, super-dooper sorry about it. By the way, i'm quitting because you guys trying to hold me accountable for the stuff i said hurt my feelings even more."
It also does a nice job of framing what you can expect from her future internet venture. It'll be like those 'too hot for TV' direct to DVD things... except instead of ditzy drunk college girls flashing the cameras, it'll be a menopausal hatemonger railing against what she perceives as black sensitivity... all while justifying any sense of victimization they have.
absurdistAug 18, 2010
The first amendment guarantees you freedom of speech.
It does NOT guarantee you a microphone or a platform in which to express your views.
Dr. Laura has already been fired by one syndicator for going over the line. I have a feeling her "deciding not to continue in radio" is code for "my syndicator decided not to renew my contract but is allowing me so spin it in my own fashion."
thatsmyaiboAug 18, 2010
As far as Dr. Laura goes, she may be rough around the edges, but she helps people. She has helped people of all colors, cultures and sexuality for over 30 years. When people call her, they should know what to expect. As far as I'm concerned, this wasn't a racist rant. She was quoting a non PC term. She never directed the word to anyone a called anyone the "n word". Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
staticneuronAug 18, 2010
I hate to pull this card.... but being a black person myself and actually studying the history of the word "gentlemen" I think that this Dr. Laura person is not racist for saying it. The thing is that gentlemen doesn't have any negative meaning or origins, the term became pejorative because of "HOW" it was used. It has such a history in the US because it was intense and the lines between words and actions were very thin back then.
But it highlights a great hypocrisy that goes on nowadays in which the word now has some sort of greater meaning than the context it was used in.
Dr. Laura did, however, say a very ignorant thing. Most black people voted for obama without thinking about it... its a black thing. That is not true at all. Given the history of black people in public office one would have thought this would have been obvious. Obama is not the first black man to try to run for president.
The reason people voted for obama was not because he was black, but more because of his views and if anything could be accused of being blind it is those that vote down party lines. I am sure that those who voted based off of race alone are very few in number.
But that type of view is what people think is racist. Not that it really is racist but it is ignorant. It creates an Us vs them mentality and it really begs the question about what type of discourse she has had with black people (if any at all) to come up with such a broad and sweeping statement.
Yes, americans are to sensitive nowadays about racism but there is also a growing trend of reverse racism, ignorance and blind stereotypes going on here as well. The most common is the silly idea that civil rights activisits, jesse jackson or al sharpton would speak out on crimes against "all" people. If you study the history of where these guys grew up and thier goals period, they often bat for minority rights. The obvious part being "minority" because they do not speak up all the time about cases in which racist attacks happen to whites that is most likely because whites make up the majority of the population unlike the 13% that these guys try to speak for. It is not like a racist attack is going to go down in silence especially with news corps being around. It is simply not necessary. On the other hand there are still many unfair things that happen against blacks in certain cities that if a big stink wasn't being made out of it then things would get ignored. Take for instance the large amount of cases in which officers shoot unarmed black males and get off with a slap on the wrist. while what just happened in denver was on the news without any calls for activists to drum it up.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
somehyjinxAug 18, 2010
What the hell is this racist complaining about? She exercised her first amendment rights without a problem. Exercising freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. You’d think that for someone making a career out of giving advice on the radio, she might have had a clue that actions have consequences. Screaming the n-word at a caller who has already stated her sensitivity about the word is not advice, it is abuse.
skintighAug 18, 2010
Right wingers believe they should be free from the responsibility and logical outcome of their own actions.
treehugger87Aug 18, 2010
Bingo.
secrityAug 18, 2010
Especially if their sky daddy told them to do it.
jack416Aug 18, 2010
Aren't Republicans supposed to be the party of social responsibility?
skintighAug 18, 2010
No, silly, and you are supposed to quite any religion that is in favor of social justice.
secrityAug 18, 2010
Jack, I think that Republicans are the party of social responsibility when it suits them, especially if they can be willfully contrarian to Democrats.
deathandtavernsAug 18, 2010
Jack, republicans say they're the party of personal responsibility, social responsibility is the opposite of that
seltaeb4Aug 21, 2010
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thegreenspanputAug 18, 2010
stupid bitch, what did she think would happen? Ever heard of the Kramer rant or the Gibson rant?
thatsmyaiboAug 18, 2010
Kramer called somebody the n word and Gibson used the word in a derogatory fashion. She used it without directing towards anyone to illustrate a point. This is apples and oranges.
docholiday22Aug 18, 2010
I have nothing to add since the same point is and will be regurgitated multiple times.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Agreed 100%.
You have a 1st Amendment Right to say almost anything you want. But other people have the right to balk, or hold you accountable for what you said. You totally have a 1st Amendment right to be a racist assh**e, but other people have the 1st Amendment right to call you a racist assh**e, and complain to your employer and your employer's sponsors about you for being a racist assh**e. The whole 1st Amendment Rights thing is a street that goes both ways.
In this country we have things like contracts and stipulations. Especially if we're talking about a radio show and you're offending the people who are listening. The only reason these people are on the radio in the first place because they get enough viewers who buy enough of the sponsor's products that they keep sending the radio station more checks for more advertising.
The 1st Amendment doesn't make you immune to your company saying "You cost us a metric s**t-ton of money with your loud f**king mouth, garnered us tons and tons of negative publicity, made conservatives everywhere look like racist nut jobs, and you offended a caller who just wanted some advice from you. In short, you did the opposite of your job at every turn. You're fired."
She can now exercise her 1st Amendment rights to offend people in other forums of discussion, and even though I'm sure I'd disagree with almost everything she says, I'm not about to stop her. She can be hateful all the way to the bank. It's not my concern or my problem. Nobody else is stopping her from that, either. But this is America. Her employer had every right to kick her ass to the curb. Of all people, you think a conservative talk show host would understand that. They regularly espouse such views on their shows. But I guess that showcases one of the more serious serious moral dilemma for conservatives - hypocrisy.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
Read the article and listen to the clip.
She didn't say a single racist thing. Unless you think saying "gentlemen" makes you racist (hint: it doesn't).
Now, if she said to the woman on the phone "look here, gentlemen, ..." then yeah, racist. But saying, exactly quoted "black guys say gentlemen gentlemen gentlemen" is perfectly fine.
What's wrong with that statement? They do say it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
The CALLER is saying that her man keeps saying "black people this and that", not Dr. Laura.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
"Do black people like this or that," as if all Black people are the same to which this radio lady said "that isn't racist."
Hahaha... oh wow. The woman saying that is the black caller. Not the host.
See, every person honestly offended at this clip is an idiot or seriously has no clue what happened in the situation. I have yet to be proven wrong.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rahammAug 18, 2010
Caller: .......It's, "Oh, well, how do you black people like doing this?" And, "Do black people really like doing that?" And for a long time, I would ignore it. But last night, I got to the point where it --
SCHLESSINGER: I don't think that's racist.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008120045
Here is the clip and the transcript dummy. The caller was offended by racist statements which Dr. Laura thinks are A-OK which shows her racism. ALL BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T THE SAME GENERALOBVIOUS. Get over it.
phucktardedAug 18, 2010
So when Dave Chappele says black people like ribs, or watermelon, or cornbread it's racist?
O wait no it's not, cause he's black, is that not racist?
Dr. Laura was saying that the neighbor isn't racist, he was just being comfortable around the caller.
The neighbor is ignorant, but not racist. If he were racist he wouldn't be over at the caller's house in the first place. The caller is hypersensitive, Dr.Laura said nothing racist or wrong, but should still be subject to criticism. It's a shame that most of these critics are idiots though.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
archiesteelAug 18, 2010
"O wait no it's not, cause he's black, is that not racist?"
Bingo. Just like when Jewish comedians make jokes about Jews. It's their domain, respect it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
phucktardedAug 18, 2010
So Bingo it is racist? Yet your advocating it not being racist.
/confusing statement is confusing
(I'm thinking you meant to just quote "O wait no it's not, cause he's black". Perhaps you should quote "It's a shame that most of these critics are idiots though")
Advocating that a person can't do/say something based on their race is racist.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
headinawheelAug 19, 2010
I do believe Dave Chappelle was saying that black people like watermelon, ribs, cornbread, and fried chicken because EVERYBODY loves those things, regardless of skin colour...
jejeje666Aug 18, 2010
Perhaps what she is implying is that (and I'm just guessing here) she got into a meeting with her higher-ups after that rant, and during that meeting she was expressly forbidden from saying 'gentlemen' ever again while she's on the air.
If that were the case, then I could see how she'd have to quit her job in order to regain her freedom to say what she wants to say.
ultar6Aug 19, 2010
I think that "actions have consequences" is the foundation of most of her advice.
Unless the government stepped in and forced her off the air, or censored her show, her First Amendment rights were not violated.
She's just butt-hurt because she is being skewered by other (lower in her opinion?) people exercising their First Amendment rights.
eezyvilleAug 18, 2010
Sigh...
Another thread about reverse racism is coming. OK before that happens I'm gonna try to be a mediator. Since I'm a black guy I'll take charge and be the race ambassador. Before I start I'd like to say that I'll refer to all Caucasians as "white folk" and all African-Americans as "black folk" because its simple for me, no disrespect.
Now first I'd like to explain why black folk get to use the N-word aka gentlemen. As you all well know not even a century ago black folks were very oppressed in this country. I'm not gonna go into the details but basically the N-word was the one word that symbolized the institution design to hold one race of people, black folk, below and inferior to another race of people, white folk, even though we are all one race. After some drama this racism, what the N-word represented, became illegal and white folks had to treat black folks as equals. Most liked it some didn't. Soon after black folk started to refer to themselves as the N-word and white folks got crazy confused. They thought that what the N-word represented was illegal and wrong but the victims of the N-word is using it. Why did we black folks start using the N-word? Because it still hurt and we wanted to lessen the impact and power that word had over us by making it mean something else.
But to our amazement we black folks were not the only ones hurt by this word. It seems that white folks are hurt too. We didn't see that coming and now the white folks are angry at our insensitivity. So lets try and make it right. Lets designate one day out of the year as N-word Day!! On that day every person in America, no matter what race they are, can say the N-word. Apparently there are a lot of white folks who really REALLY want to say the N-word again. We'll let them relieve themselves of the pent up stress of not being able to say that word because this apparently is SERIOUS BUSINESS for them. Also, judging by the context on which the word is spoken, we can quickly figure out who still is racist and who isn't. And combining the powers of both white folk and black folk we can get one step closer to ending racism in America.
So white folks rejoice! Today is gentlemen Day. Let out all that pent up frustration, stress, and rage and maybe we can get along better.
douglasqAug 18, 2010
"gentlemen Day" has been a pretty awkward part of the year for us white folk since the emancipation proclamation.
tehjaiAug 18, 2010
Sure thing, N-word Joe!
bbspeed26Aug 18, 2010
*Denzel voice*
my gentlemenh
samsaraAug 18, 2010
Thanks a lot, I just got my ass beat at the gas station....
chuckdontsurfAug 18, 2010
/thread win
texasshivAug 18, 2010
I find it funny that if a Caucasian had typed "black folk" people would be commenting like mad on this about the use of the colloquial term. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
juliusthecatAug 18, 2010
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rolfAug 18, 2010
I see this ending well... and I'll be off to buy some plane tickets to Canada until this new holiday is over.
manlyandyAug 18, 2010
The N-word, when said by a white person, evokes a very clear and well-known image of whites subjugating blacks. It doesn't come off the same way when blacks (and to a lesser extent other, non-white races) say it. And even though some say that it's not ok even when blacks say it, some people can't fathom why it could possibly be more offensive depending on the race of the person saying it. But it is. Tough s**t. Go read a history book.
sgxyayAug 18, 2010
The only reason the word evokes that when said by a white person is because black people decided to stay hurt and feeling like victims. I'm all for changing the meaning as black people have been doing, but to make the rules different for different people is weak (and maybe a bit racist?).
Under the "rules" as they are now, when white people say it, in addition to being derogatory to black people, the word is pointing out the evil actions of white people in the past and that black people are still angry about it, like it's still our (white people) fault and we should be ashamed. I'm not ashamed. I don't have anything to do with what happened. I wasn't there. My parents weren't. Those were other people in a different time and the fact that they have a similar tint doesn't mean I have any connection with them. White people don't have some hive-mind that remembers to stay oppressive and racist. I didn't do anything, and I don't.
The word means I should feel guilty about something I didn't do - especially if there are rules about me not saying it. This comes up not just when white people say it, but every time they are told not to say it, AND every time anybody else (including black people) say it. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
manlyandyAug 18, 2010
@sgxyay
Black people are still seen by many people as inferior and still feel the socioeconomic disparity resulting from slavery and civil rights denial. You, personally, still have advantages over black people for no reason other than what happened before you were born.
No, you didn't cause it. But disadvantages blacks didn't necessarily cause their own problems either. It is a societal problem that you don't get to exclude yourself from as long as you participate in society. The N-word is a leftover relic from a terrible time that will continue to be offensive until the long lasting effects of slavery and civil rights denial have dissipated. Which is not now. And likely won't be in your lifetime. So deal with it.
torrangeAug 18, 2010
@sgxyay
Any particular reason you feel you NEED to use the word? Do you think you could live a full life without saying it? Not sure why this issue is such a big deal to white folks? i never use the word and my happiness has not suffered. The word has a history and conjures up ill feelings, not sure why that is so had to understand and respect - get over it redneck. Note: I used redneck from one white guy to another so it is OK, right?
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
N-Word Day is already being celebrated here in NC. Apparently some don't like it, though.
"Happy N-Word Day" @ 0:42
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2340933/
jezsikAug 18, 2010
You, sir, are awesome.
rpatrick819Aug 18, 2010
"Emancipation proclomation"?
Sorry, I don't listen to hip-hop.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
gentlemen day - better than Christmas!
mantherAug 18, 2010
It's not so much about letting white folk use the word, as it is about the EQUALITY that was fought for and eventually won by black folk. It is wrong to celebrate a victory for equality by forcing a new inequality upon those you fought against (not you specifically, but the general "everyone fighting for equality" you in this sense).
As a white person with many black friends, I only want to feel equal. If they can use the word, I should also be able to, OR if they don't like it when I use the word, they should not use it around me. When they are able to use the word when talking to each other, but they don't like it when I use the word, because I'm not black and haven't earned the right, that's a backward step. Use it or don't use it, that's not the issue. The issue is choosing a side (use it or not) and sticking with it for everyone, and not discriminating based on skin color, which is exactly what black folk fought against.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bacongodAug 18, 2010
Since you have many black friends, how about you ask them not to use it around you. Problem Solved!
seedypeteAug 18, 2010
I have a very simple solution to your terrible problem, and it's called "stop being such a f**king baby."
mantherAug 18, 2010
Wow, great jobs guys.....good deductive reasoning there.... idiots.
I've talked with my friends, and we understand each other....there's no problem in my personal life, but thanks for your concern. I was using my personal experience to paint a better picture of a situation, and explain why it's a bad situation....Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bloodwineAug 18, 2010
The only way to make the N-word not hurt is to remove its power. The only way to remove its power is to ignore it.
If black people responded to white people who say, "gentlemen", with a shrug or "whatever" and walk away, then the word will fall down to the status of honkey, cracker, and any other word that white people shrug at or ignore.
strawb411Aug 18, 2010
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mikelistAug 18, 2010
when one is able to step back from their racist views or actions, they can see that they aren't anything that would make any reasonable person happy or proud. in fact, down right embarassing. racism is a lot more than the n word, hell, the n word is more than the n word, it's a symbol. it denotes contempt for some, others see it as a kind of solidarity. many (white) people can't understand the nuance, why is it hate filled when i say it, but camaraderie building when you say it?
older black men often use the n word in a qualified sense, kind of that an individual has the character flaws attributed to black folk by racist white folk, lazy dishonest, etc. "the guys that make us look bad".
should have the freedom to use it (there are legitimate uses, mostly in terms of witnessing an event), should also have the sense not to throw it around.
personally, i'd be happier if black folk dropped it from common use, one less thing for ignorant bigots to whine about, but i never had any skin in the game, so i'll not tell you how to work that out.
rahammAug 18, 2010
Am I the only one who listen to the first part of the clip where a Black asks about a her neighbor coming over to her house just to ask if "Black people like this or that thing" to which this Laura lady was like "well that isn't racist." EVEN THOUGH IT IS. Black people aren't all the same Laura and you are a racist.
PS not all racist are the same either.
You should not "be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character". Once this radio lady said it was ok to ask questions of this other lady about all black people she was a racist the N word was the icing on the cake.
ator1Aug 18, 2010
The term "reverse-racism" implies that the only true racism is white-against-black. What kind of racism is it when an Asian hates Mexicans? It's all just plain old racism.
smotpokerAug 18, 2010
Actually, the term implies a form of racial prejudice that was induced by paranoia and hatred of racism. The races involved don't matter.
Racists were taught to hate and fear others because of their race alone. Reverse-racists learned to hate and fear racists but wind up becoming racists themselves when most of their experience/observations of racists are overwhelmingly of one race.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tomt127Aug 18, 2010
Hell everyday is N day in Mississippi.
paperclipsnsoupAug 18, 2010
I'm white, and my (very) white friend is a skinny kinda nerdy guy. He lives on KFC, drives a lowered Cadillac, and bumps Snoop Dogg, Akon and the sorts.
Proof stereotypes aren't true...
Then again I sometimes call him my slightly discolored negro friend. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I just think its funny.
phucktardedAug 18, 2010
Bull s**t.
Black people say gentlemen (gentlemen) because "it's cool"
Same reason why wiggers and cholos say it too.
When you hear on a rap soong
"I'm a pop that gentlemen, kill him, rape his gentlemen mom, then gentlemen gentlemen gentlemen his gentlemen with my gentlemen" That's not the black community trying to lessen the impact of a hateful word, thats the black community using a hateful word because "it's cool" to convey hate towards another black person.
This nation needs a serious race discussion.
The black community needs a serious discussion about black on black hate.
And everyone who likes rap (music in general) needs to realize that what they are listening to is decided by a few white men in business suits, who make millions to sell them this garbage.
The same rappers who are selling you "gentlemen this, pop a gentlemen, gentlemen that" are against what they are doing, but they know it is a business about $$$.
Watch "Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes" if you wanna a good race/music discussion.
kanimaraAug 18, 2010
You know how when you were a kid, and thought that "Crap" was the worst word you could use? Or even "Shut Up" was a bad phrase? That's kind of how I feel about the N-word, just doesn't feel right using it even joking around.
smotpokerAug 18, 2010
Haha, we used to get in trouble for saying things 'suck', too. Crap and sucked were banned and then crud and bites got banned too because the other words were what we were *really* saying :P.
</backwhenIwasyourage>
pureeviljesterAug 18, 2010
let go of the past gentlemen.
its not like your still being oppressed.
skyjis6Aug 18, 2010
trolls sure do love to be seen.
princessnaty69Aug 19, 2010
thats f**ked up..
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
@Pureeviljester - Arguably blacks are much less oppressed this decade, however don’t lose perspective that it wasn’t long ago they were slaves. The repercussion from that era is still palpable. What would you think happens when for generations you denied even the most basic education to a group of people? What would you think happens if you tell them they are inferior for generations and generations? The effects will linger long after supposedly the oppression cede.
reygzaAug 18, 2010
Since Eezyville designated today as N***** day, all the white folk on digg please feel free to walk up to any random black person and call them a N*****. It's okay, they're in on it...
After you regain consciousness ask yourself why you really want to use the word.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
falconearAug 19, 2010
Good post. 1 Internet awarded! Sorry you have to be the "black guy" everybody can ask about this stuff. :)
emilio8605Aug 19, 2010
In regards to the n-word, I always show people this clip from the movie Glory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz5zqXSc_-w#t=3m30s
Starts at 3:30 and ends at 4:35. Also, this Chris Rock bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui6-Wc0PDc4
myoung6923Aug 18, 2010
FTA -
"The reason is, I want to regain my First Amendment rights," she said. "I want to be able to say what's on my mind and in my heart and what I think is helpful and useful without somebody getting angry, some special interest group deciding this is the time to silence a voice of dissent and attack affiliates, attack sponsors. I'm sort of done with that."
Another f'n hypocrite ultra conservative. She's only interested in the first amendment when it serves her ideologic views. She rails against Howard Stern but she wants her own freedom to speak freely on the radio.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
Um, I'm against conservatives as much as any other sane person, but she has a point.
Nothing she said was bad or offensive. She said "gentlemen" but it wasn't directed to anyone.
You've said it before too, hypocrite.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
therednewtAug 18, 2010
He never said what she said was wrong actually. He just said she is a hypocrite for campaigning against what others say on the radio then getting upset when others dislike what she says.
You can't have it both ways. Either you have to fall in with "norms" on the radio or you don't.
treehugger87Aug 18, 2010
Whether or not you or I thought what she said was offensive is not the issue. Her first amendment rights were not violated. I can tell because she isn't in jail for saying "gentlemen" on the radio.
Blowback for saying something interpreted as offensive is not the same as losing your first amendment rights.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
"Blowback for saying something interpreted as offensive is not the same as losing your first amendment rights."
Bingo. Freedom of speech does NOT equal freedom from responsibility. Anyone who thinks otherwise has probably never tried to mouth off to their mother.
bdog2g2Aug 18, 2010
^
I have.
Didn't end well.
stackoleeAug 18, 2010
I can just cut and paste this one:
No, you obviously didn't listen to the offending clip. In it a African American caller asks for advice on how to handle her white in-laws who constantly taunt her race. Laura totally skirted the question and went on a screed about how blacks can drop the "N Bomb" but whites can't. She seemed very upset by this, as if all her life all she really wanted was to use the N word in polite conversation.
The caller never even implied her relatives were using racial epithets.
stackoleeAug 18, 2010
Maybe she can hire the ACLU if she decides to sue to get her job back. That'd be the conservative-hypocrite triple crown.
summerofgeorgeAug 18, 2010
Chris Rock "'Well you can say gentlemen!' - Yea, the last time I checked that was the only advantage I had... You wanna switch places? You scream 'gentlemen' and I'll raise interest rates."
mcanusAug 18, 2010
Sounds like somebody is confusing race and class.
propethicAug 18, 2010
So who are the black members of the Fed board?
antoniukAug 18, 2010
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errdayimhustlinAug 18, 2010
"So who are the black members of the Fed board?"
By that logic I should be able to raise interest rates because I'm white.
apextekAug 18, 2010
and now there remaking highbrow british comedies with all black casts featuring rock as the mild mannered even handed lead.
I think he IS becoming the guy that raises interest rates
jaydub99Aug 18, 2010
Oh, Chris Rock, you are so oppressed! Now would you PLEASE pass the Grey Poupon?
zenmojoAug 18, 2010
Chris Rock: "I'm rich...and NONE of y'all white people would switch places with me."
falconearAug 19, 2010
I love his rant about the one time that white people can use the N-word. Basically if I black guy beats you up and pees on you on Christmas eve while you're coming home from buying a toy for your kid for Christmas it's OK to call him a n*****
chaotichavokAug 19, 2010
Link to video?
mtjohnsonAug 18, 2010
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dinglebuttAug 18, 2010
the simple solution would be to pass off the broadcast as rap music. suddenly, blacks are no longer offended.
unfriendlyfireAug 18, 2010
Maybe someone could do a re-mix of the audio.
skinny01Aug 18, 2010
Most blacks I know don't use the word and don't like the fact that it's always being put in the media by comedians and rappers like that's somehow representational of us. We don't control those media images. What you see are examples of the lowest class of black people that are being paid a lot of money to be shown as representing all of us. They're idiots that don't mind getting paid at the expense of the rest of their races image.
In general, you'll find the only blacks that use or endorse it's use are rappers, comedians, and the young ones under 25 that haven't figured out the media slander game yet and just follow everything they see on a screen. Most that are over 25 are well past that. Defending the rappers saying it only came about because ones that used it were being banned and censored, so the whole "explaining why THEY use it" thing started. But most normal everyday blacks absolutely do not use it. If anything, for the simple fact that nobody wants white people to start thinking it's okay.
Things are put out in the media because it provides for good entertainment to whoever they're trying to market to. Seeing blacks act like idiots on screen has always been good business. But don't confuse that for how we really are. We are misrepresented in the media, don't let what you see and hear in it control your ideas of what we like, don't like, or are okay with.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
I am not a huge fan of Doctor Laura, but I see no reason why she would have to quit. She had this black lady on her program that was whining about perceived racism, and Dr. Laura basically put her in her place by showing the hypocrisy.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pintomp3Aug 18, 2010
Yeah, put her in her place by telling her not to marry outside of her race.
geogeerAug 18, 2010
If you’re that hypersensitive about color and don’t have a sense of humor, don’t marry out of your race. If you’re going to marry out of your race, people are going to say, “OK, what do blacks think? What do whites think? What do Jews think? What do Catholics think?” Of course there isn’t a one-think per se. But in general there’s “think.”
Yeah she really told her that interracial marriages are wrong there...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skintighAug 18, 2010
I can't really tell what she said there. If you marry outside your race, then people will talk, or something? And each group will have one thought, except they wont, except in general they will?
Who the f**k cares if someone you marry is outside your race or even inside your gender, just f**king live and let live.
torrangeAug 18, 2010
I thought we were all part of the human race?
propethicAug 18, 2010
She has to quit because her BOSSES said so. Why is that so hard to understand? These hosts don't get to make all of the decisions
seedypeteAug 18, 2010
Wow, racist AND slow-witted, I bet you're a hit with the ladies. Looks like the DiggParasites are out in force on this topic, wonder why?
strawb411Aug 18, 2010
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ultar6Aug 19, 2010
As opposed to you? Those pesky blacks need to realize how good they have it and stop complaining? Sure, they encounter racial epithets now and again, but it doesn't really mean anything? You are already better? They need to work to better themselves?
Ignore the reality, blame the object of the bad behavior, be like webreforms.
Closed AccountAug 19, 2010
Until they stop complaining about things that don't matter like simple questions and jokes, they will always be looked down upon as whiners looking for a handout.
In the case of the idiotic whiner, she was referring to things like "What do blacks think of this?". She does have one option, not go to that person's house or event. Everybody no matter what their race is going to run into crap like that.
williemainAug 18, 2010
I don't care if she's remorseful or not. If you use that word you're furthering the racist mentality!
interestingly, I used more colorful words to describe my opinions of her and her politics on her facebook page and within 2 hours my comment was deleted. I bet she wishes she could go back and delete her comments. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
douglasqAug 18, 2010
"I'm a fool not a doctor!"
portables0nAug 18, 2010
N word? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ns-kXeQCMk
tarantulusAug 18, 2010
this ^^ I know it's satire, but it's absolutely BANG ON!
bracomadarAug 18, 2010
I kind of feel sorry for all these racist entertainers. They're all out of work now and someone really needs to create a workplace and hire them to say whatever racist thought pops into their head without losing their job. Oh wait...
http://imgur.com/GJCdS.jpgComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
capitalismkillsAug 18, 2010
I didnt hear a single racist thing said here at all.
Racism implies hatred or malice involved...... none of that here
pintomp3Aug 18, 2010
"Don't marry outside of your race" is not racist?
kaiosamaAug 18, 2010
@Xsecrets
So basically if you marry outside your race, you should expect to get treated like trash?
I'm just wondering what this 'heat' you're referring to entails.
omgscienceAug 18, 2010
@pintomp3 & Kaiosama
Are you guys f**king retarded?
nouveaugosseAug 18, 2010
She said "Don't marry outside of your race [if you are hypersensitive about it]" That's common sense, and not racist. It's called active listening moron.
pintomp3Aug 18, 2010
That's like telling a Jewish person not to wear a yarmulke if you don't want to made fun of. Or telling Rosa Parks not to sit at the front of the bus if she doesn't want to get arrested. Or telling a gay couple not to hold hands in public if they don't want to get assaulted. Why put the blame on the victim of bigotry?
thedougemAug 18, 2010
@pintomp3
Dr. Laura's show is very much a tough love tough advice sort of show. I hardly ever listen to her - only enough to know, roughly, what she is. She specializes in telling people things they -really- don't want to hear, and sometimes that kind of advice, for that particular woman, is warranted. Everyone is different, every individual case is different. Maybe Dr. Laura was trying to pass along the point that if she's very sensitive about some things she should try to avoid them, or at least think on them more. Sometimes people need to be verbally shocked to get out of a hard rooted self repeating mental trap.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kungfumantis239Aug 18, 2010
That's not what she said at all. You're reaching and failing. She never said that she shouldn't marry outside of her race, or that interracial marriage was bad.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pintomp3Aug 18, 2010
@The dougem
So victims of racism just need some tough love?
@kungfumantis
"She never said that she shouldn't marry outside of her race" That's exactly what she said. She said if you don't want racists to hassle you, don't marry outside of your race.
pintomp3Aug 18, 2010
So the Jew is in the wrong here, not the Neo-Nazi. Got it.
Also, was James Byrd Jr. just being "hypersensitive"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd,_Jr.
nouveaugosseAug 18, 2010
@pintomp3 Your just a straight up idiot, and you have no points to make here. You are nothing more than a screaming adolescent full of mock-rage.
thedougemAug 18, 2010
@pintomp3
Grow up, dude. Stop putting words in our mouths. Let me repeat myself:
"Maybe Dr. Laura was trying to pass along the point that if she's very sensitive about some things she should try to avoid them, or at least think on them more. Sometimes people need to be verbally shocked to get out of a hard rooted self repeating mental trap."
She had relationship issues. Race was a problem, perceived or otherwise. She was stuck in a mental conundrum and Dr. Laura was (like she usually does) saying things to get her to -think-.
Victims of real racism do not need tough love. They need to take the initiative and do something about it - like Dr. Laura was broadly suggesting in the segment. Instead of complaining, and being stuck in complaining, get off your butt and -do something-. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
athrasherAug 18, 2010
I'm pretty sure she was saying that if you don't want to accept the reality that may come with an interracial marriage, then you shouldn't have one. At no point did she defend racists or condone the harassment of interracial couples, nor did she try to blame them for it. She basically said that if you can't handle an interracial marriage in the would you live in, you shouldn't have one.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pintomp3Aug 18, 2010
@TheDougem "Race was a problem, perceived or otherwise." No, racism was. Would you tell a Jew to take off his yarmulke and stop complaining when he gets harassed by anti-semites?
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treehugger87Aug 18, 2010
You don't hear the racism? Fine. Why don't you start your own broadcasting company and hire her?
kungfumantis239Aug 18, 2010
They were discussing racism. Granted repeating the word over and over again was a little over the top, she was never actually being racist.
treehugger87Aug 18, 2010
So because you don't hear racism you want somebody else to take responsibility for the content and the perceived racism by those who did hear racism. I'm not convinced that her rant, standing on its own, is racism either, but I don't blame the owners and producers of her show for forcing her to resign. Ultimately they are responsible for the content of their broadcasts, and if they are not comfortable with the risks it is well within their rights to let her go.
It is also well within your rights to join with capitalismKills and start your own broadcasting company and hire her
kungfumantis239Aug 18, 2010
There was nothing racist said. They were discussing racism, so in those confines, for the sake of debate alone, was anything "beyond bounds".Once again, granted a little better word choice would have gone a long way, saying the N word several times over is no way to get someone to listen to your POV, but her point was still sound.
As for the company getting rid of her? I would too. But that's a different subject.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
torrangeAug 18, 2010
They were not discussing anything. The caller tried to get advice and Dr. Laura used it as a platform to vent her frustration. Why she was frustrated is another question but the underlying tone was definitely racist. I grew up around it and it is pretty easy to spot even when subdued.
I used to do traffic for a company that serviced the station she was on and I had to listen to her all night - this is not her first venture into sublime racism - just the first time she used the word.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Ugh, I am so SICK of people invoking the First Amendment without having the vaguest clue as to what it actually means.... The First Amendment DOES NOT guarantee you an audience OR a platform to make your voice widely heard; all it guarantees is that the government will not step in and tell you "you can't say that, period." Radio and TV stations are in no way obligated to provide airtime to someone who drives away audiences. If she were thrown in jail for her words - THAT would have been a First Amendment violation.
rolfAug 18, 2010
Unless you get a national security letter.
cerebronAug 18, 2010
What about when the FCC sends out a fine to the radio station? That's ok?
mrn111Aug 18, 2010
We'll comment about that when the letter gets sent. But I wouldn't hold my breathe.
blatsekAug 18, 2010
Great comment. I don't even know how the FCC is constitutional.
CallMeDjmAug 18, 2010
So, she's quitting the show over her own volition, because she feels her freedom of speech was violated after she went on a long rant on the radio revolving around the n word.
........?
tman84Aug 18, 2010
Why are they calling this a racist rant? Words have lost their meaning, it's a sign of the breakdown of civilization.
xdreAug 18, 2010
Oh, the irony.
kaiosamaAug 18, 2010
Walk up to a random jew and call them a k*ke. See whether or not words have truly lost their meaning.
betteroffedAug 18, 2010
For the record, Dr. Laura didn't call anybody anything.
stackoleeAug 18, 2010
So the caller asked for advice on how to handle the constant ribbing she gets from her white neighbors and inlaws on her race. Laura completely lost her s**t and turned it into a rant on how white's can't say the n word. If not racist that's entirely insensitive. I mean, listen to the clip the caller never said anyone used any explicit racial epithets.
falldogAug 18, 2010
She should be quitting her show not because she said gentlemen a bunch of times, but that she doesn't have the balls to stand up for her own actions. What's the point of having those First Amendment rights she wants back when her response to everything is to up and run away from it? Guess what, you just gave those s**tty interest groups everyone hates a win. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
shaw3257Aug 18, 2010
I said Naggers...
namja23Aug 18, 2010
Yeah, I'll stick with ninja.
skintighAug 18, 2010
So a rabid right wing homophobic hate monger is ALSO a racist? Oh my f**king God stop the presses nobody could have anticipated this!!!!!!!!111eleven
skittlesusaAug 18, 2010
Saying gentlemen doesn't make you racist, and that was her entire point.
dieindiggAug 18, 2010
yeah, skintigh does not seem to grasp that
ultar6Aug 19, 2010
Right, but saying it unprompted because a caller who is black wants help is racist.
Here's the scenario:
Black caller married to a white man doesn't like comments made by friends and family. Comments refer to race, are sometimes offensive.
Husband stands by, doesn't take issue with comments.
Caller asks Physiology Dr. Laura for advice on how to improve the situation.
Physiology Dr. Laura launches into a tirade, complaining that blacks voted for Obama solely because Obama is half black. Physiology Dr. Laura goes on to say the n-word over and over again, apparently because she's been waiting for the right opportunity to say it over and over again.
Now Physiology Dr. Laura is complaining that she needs to reclaim her First Amendment rights as a result of the uproar. Unfortunately, Physiology Dr. Laura doesn't realize that others exercising THEIR First Amendment rights does not constitute a violation of HER First Amendment rights.
basalcellbosskAug 18, 2010
!right wingers always play the victim card when they get caught.
thedougemAug 18, 2010
So do liberals.
Passing the buck is bipartisan.
treehugger87Aug 18, 2010
It's easier than taking responsibility
dreadpirateAug 18, 2010
@BCB - Like Charlie Rangel *hasn't* been playing the victim card since day one? I haven't seen him take responsibility for forgetting to account for hundreds of thousands of dollars of income on his tax forms.
xsecretfilesAug 18, 2010
Not that it matters, remember Don Imus? He's back...
thatsmyaiboAug 18, 2010
He directed the remark at a group of individuals. Dr. Laura said it without directed it towards someone.
The word 'stupid' isn't derogatory until you call someone 'stupid'.
lovewidescreenAug 18, 2010
"There's a different group to get pissed off at you in this country for everything your not supposed to say. Can't say gentlemen, Boogie, Jig, Jigaboo, Skinhead, Moolimoolinyon, Schvatzit, Junglebunny. Greaser, Greaseball, Dago, Guinea, Whop, Ginzo, Kike, Zebe, Heed, Yid, Mocky, Himie, Mick, Donkey, Turkey, Limey, Frog. Zip, Zipperhead, Squarehead, Crout, Hiney, Jerry, Hun, Slope, Slopehead, Chink, Gook.
"There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those words in and of themselves. They're only words. It's the context that counts. It's the user. It's the intention behind the words that makes them good or bad. The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about bad words and bad language. Bulls**t! It's the context that makes them good or bad."
-- The late, great George Carlin
chuckdontsurfAug 18, 2010
Wow, a lot of those have fallen by the wayside.
esteskidAug 18, 2010
i believe i've heard this on the sopranos
spinningheadAug 18, 2010
That's what conservatives don't seem to get. Its all about context. Its like they want to be able to call people that because people of the same group might use certain words with each other.
leftiscorruptAug 18, 2010
The Daily Show has already dealt with this:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-5-2010/race-card-is-maxed-out
zenmojoAug 18, 2010
Like the caller.
betteroffedAug 18, 2010
Wow. Really?
belebihAug 18, 2010
Every one knows that the only truly acceptable use of the "N-word" is when you're referring to some assh**e deer that just broke your car's mirror.
Like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaqvcRxtInU
fishbeef33Aug 18, 2010
Dr. Laura, your 1st Amendment rights have not been trampled on. In fact, it is BECAUSE of your freedom of speech and our capitalist society that you're in this mess.
1. You had the freedom to say the n-word six times on radio. Nobody stopped you or arrested you.
2. Your radio show is a business. With stations and sponsors who pay money to air your program and advertise on it.
3. You say inflammatory things that those radio stations and sponsors do not want to be affiliated with. They stop giving you money.
Don't lie and say your freedom of speech rights have been trampled on. This is free speech and capitalism at work like it is every day. Grow up and take responsibility for the stupid s**t you said.
wrath017Aug 18, 2010
I'm a liberal, and I can't stand Laura Schellessenger, but this is just BS. That was not really a racist rant, and she should be ending her show over other s**t she has said, and not this.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
frostman3dAug 18, 2010
Black comedians make fun of white people all the time, so do hispanics, and nothing is said about it. Minorities have rights that white people don't have. HOW IS THAT FAIR? And don't bring up s**t about 400 years of slavery, because I didn't have s**t to do with that, neither did any other white person living.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stavrogin2Aug 18, 2010
You can make all of the racist jokes that you want, just don't think you won't get called a racist.
eezyvilleAug 18, 2010
Cry me a river...
ivanmarshAug 18, 2010
Poor oppressed majority.
strawb411Aug 18, 2010
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nevariusAug 18, 2010
Oh noes!! Got called a cracker, I'm so emotionally distraught and offended (monotone voice)
norman619Aug 18, 2010
Ummm simply saying the word gentlemen doesn't make you racist. People have taken her words WAY out of context. She was clearly having an academic discussion with her caller not calling her a gentlemen. If you can listen to the clip and think she was being racist the there is something wrong with you. I'm half black and half Hispanic btw. My god you people are pathetic. The same people who are doing this to her and other popular conservative public figures are the same ones who scream "FASCISM" when anyone tries to shut them up because they don't like their views. These are the fascists. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
iignotusAug 18, 2010
No one's saying she called the caller a gentlemen. No one's that stupid... except you. But a couple of the things she said in her explanation were plainly stereotypical and racist -- and no, not the use of the word "gentlemen".
norman619Aug 18, 2010
Nope. As I said, I'm a minority and have experienced REAL racism growing up. People like you love to throw that term around so much that it has lost its true meaning. I have had to deal with racism from blacks, Hispanics, and whites growing up. She did not display ANY kind of racism.
iignotusAug 18, 2010
LOL what term did I throw around? Or even use? "Stupid"? Did you just copy and paste that response from somewhere else? It literally has no bearing on what I just posted.
Nice failure.
spinningheadAug 18, 2010
I think people might acknowledge that if she wasn't such a sanctimonious hypocritical bitch to begin with.
ultar6Aug 19, 2010
No, it was her rant, which was not at all helpful to the caller, then spicing it up with the n-word and Obama rants.
We saw her true colors shining through.
ivanmarshAug 18, 2010
You clearly didn't listen to the broadcast.
seedypeteAug 18, 2010
Yes, an "academic discussion." Plenty of those involve saying slurs over and over and over again out of spite! Then telling the caller not to marry outside of their race. Then implying that all black people everywhere use a slur because you heard a few comedians and rappers say it. Then when the caller says she doesn't use the word AND finds it offensive, saying it three more times in a row with no context whatsoever. Academics!
You racism apologists are so terrible at this.
blankmanAug 18, 2010
Oh no! God forbid someone offends someone else this day in age! That's like a worse crime than murder these days. It's ridiculous.
regeyaAug 18, 2010
You're free to do so. However, the 1st Amendment does not guarantee that you will be free from consequence.
davethe3rdAug 18, 2010
Now if only Rush Limbaugh were to follow suit... or die...
thedougemAug 18, 2010
Isn't calling for his death a bit low?
If you dislike or hate him, don't listen to his show, debate his ideas in public like an adult, possibly boycott his advertisers, and move on.
Being childish about opposing viewpoints only encourages those who sympathize with him to ignore folks like you.
ivanmarshAug 18, 2010
It's no more than he's done for entire groups of people. Karma's a bitch.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
Her want wasn't f**king racist!! That's the whole f**king point of what she said. Listen to her show.
All she said was "gentlemen". She didn't call the woman gentlemen.
She said "all black guys say is gentlemen gentlemen gentlemen" - that is NOT a racist statement.
Goddamn people are f**king stupid and overly sensitive.
kaiosamaAug 18, 2010
"Goddamn people are f**king stupid and overly sensitive."
With you being a case in point.
We live in a capitalist society. She took the risk, now she has to pay for it.
Screw the victim card.
ultar6Aug 19, 2010
@GeneralObvious:
Could it have been the glee in her voice when she said it and the number of times she said it after that? Could it have been the racists accusation that blacks voted for Obama (unsolicited) solely because he is half black?
Fake Dr. Laura showed what she was about. She took a real issue and turned it into her personal joke.
purvisxiiiAug 18, 2010
"all black guys say" sounds kinda racist to me.
generalobviousAug 18, 2010
hahaha
betteroffedAug 18, 2010
I can't stand Dr. Laura. I think she's overly conservative, and her opinions are completely hidebound and cloying on to the past.
But I agree with you. Why is this word the only slur for which we can't even SAY it while discussing it. Anderson Cooper or any other news anchor or tv personality has to say "the n-word" when referring to it. There's a huge difference between saying slur and using a slur, and that difference seems to be completely blurred with this word. If a US senator called an italian person a "guinea" or a hispanic person a "wetback" the press would have absolutely no qualms about reporting exactly what he'd said without resorting to using "the g-word" or "the w-word." Why is that? Why are we so paternalistic about that word?
Dr. Laura is abhorrent. But she never actually used the word. I think that distinction is important.
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zenmojoAug 18, 2010
People don't say f**k on cable news either. What's your point? Is the n-bomb less offensive than f**k?
betteroffedAug 18, 2010
I'm not offended by f**k in the slightest kind sir.
Are you saying that "guinea" or "wetback" is less offensive that the n-word?
bladzalotAug 18, 2010
"Racist" rant...
kaiosamaAug 18, 2010
Lucky she only dropped the 'N' bomb.
Cause I can assure had she dropped the 'K' bomb against jews live on air six times, she'd have been out of a job that very same night :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
betteroffedAug 18, 2010
Is that a joke? "The N bomb" is the ONLY racial slur that merely uttering the phonetic syllables that make up the word itself is wrong. You can't even say the word itself when discussing the word intelligently. News anchors have to say "the n-word" like they're 5 years old. There's a big difference in saying a racial slur and using one, and those two distinctions don't seem to matter with this word.
I guarantee you that there could be an entire History Channel show on the word "kike," its origin, how it was used by anti-semites, and they would never feel obligated to say "the K-word."
Why is that?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ivanmarshAug 18, 2010
I bet you think your post wasn't racist.
artosrcAug 18, 2010
PEOPLE WHO ANNOY YOU:
Dr. Laura!
pintomp3Aug 18, 2010
Her use of the N-word wasn't the racist part of her rant. Her presumption that racism was over because we have a black president and that all claims of racism were simply people being "hypersensitive" revealed the extend of her racism and bigotry. She then compounded it by telling people not to marry outside of their race if they don't want to subjected to racism.
iignotusAug 18, 2010
Exactly, 100% right. All the people complaining about "not being able to say gentlemen, even in an academic context" are completely ignoring the actual issue. As far as I'm concerned you can say gentlemen all you want if it's being used simply for explaining a point. It's her stereotypical and racist assumptions about the black race, not the actual word "gentlemen", that intelligent people have a problem with.
xsecretsAug 18, 2010
if someone asked her what do girls think of blah wouldn't it be hypersensitive of her to go off saying that person asked her a sexist question or if you ask a banker what do bankers think should they have a cow about how you are jobist? It's a simple demographic question and yes the caller was being hypersensitive.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stavrogin2Aug 18, 2010
Did any of you people saying that she's not racist read or listen to Laura's rant? She said that a black woman in an interracial marriage should not mind her husband's white family calling her the n-word because black people use it in rap music and that if she doesn't want to be called racial slurs by her white in-laws, she should not have married outside her race.
How the f**k is that not racist?
kaiosamaAug 18, 2010
The point everyone seems to be missing, seeing as they hearing the 'N' word and totally ignoring the context around it.
Dr. Laura's advice (and I use the term Dr. here very loosely), absolutely gave bigoted advice.
I mean seriously, she's talking to some woman calling into her show, and treating her like she's ghetto hood chick who should be used to derogatory language. Wtf is that all about?
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
the fundamental point Schlessenger made:
it's your fault you were born black.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Can someone explain to me why a white man cant say "my gentlemen" to his black friend?
smokedgoudaAug 18, 2010
He can but it's a dumb thing to say.
nainsellAug 18, 2010
Context. You can't hang a lampshade on something your race perpetuated as malice. When a black person says it, it's context is solidarity in the face of racism. When a white person says it, the context cannot be that, because the white person has not suffered the same history.
nainsellAug 18, 2010
"So you're telling me when a black person says "Couple of gentlemen robbed or house and stabbed my brother" they are showing love and solidarity?"
But you said to his black FRIEND. The context of saying it to a thief is different, and you know that.
supradaveAug 18, 2010
Because it's racist.
iignotusAug 18, 2010
If he's your friend, why not? No one said he can't. Except you, since you're just trying to build on top of white-fright and the idea that white people can't say or do things that minorities can.
basalcellbosskAug 18, 2010
"Can someone explain to me why a white man cant say "my gentlemen" to his black friend?"
Because of hundreds of years of subjugation, genocide, institutionalized torture and murder of African people and continued persecution of their descendants right up until living memory, based solely upon their skin color.
That s**t just does not get forgotten in a generation.
You are not responsible for what your forbears or their contemporaries did. But you can't just pretend it doesn't leave a scar.
ivanmarshAug 18, 2010
Who said you can't? I wouldn't however suggest saying gentlemen to a black woman who's asking you for help about being traumatized by racism while speaking on the radio.
I hope you can recognize the difference.
ultar6Aug 19, 2010
"Dr." Laura didn't recognize it.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Can someone explain to me why a white man cant say "my gentlemen" to his black friend?
-- said the idiot who doesn't have any black friends.
seedypeteAug 18, 2010
Because we both know you don't have any black friends.
smokedgoudaAug 18, 2010
Dr. Laura isn't racist. She's a self-entitled idiot who deserves to have her show taken away from her (because only she believes she "quit").Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
infinitewithinAug 18, 2010
The word "gentlemen" is short-hand for "Negro", a term used by almost every culture in the world when referring to "Black" People. The Black Community, as a whole, uses the word "gentlemen" to claim brotherhood in a struggle for Freedom in the mid 20th century.
Most Black People living today cannot say, truthfully, that they have ever experienced being a slave. Ever.
Do you EVER hear about White People calling each other "Crackers"? No.
Only Black People use both racist terms.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
spinningheadAug 18, 2010
I hear my Irish relatives calling each other Micks all the time. If you did that, I believe youd get your ass kicked.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
The "black community" as a whole? Um, sorry that isn't true. There plenty of black people who don't like it when anybody uses the word, even for comedic or rhythmic effect. Not saying that this is/isn't right, just that you are a douche for thinking you can speak for the so-called black community (as if such a single entity exists).
Besides that, your point is moot. Doesn't matter what a word's etymology is, only what it means at a point of time in a certain culture. "gentlemen" might mean "ice cream" on Mars but here in the US it means something else.
Furthermore, and I'm assuming you are mostly caucasian here, you just used both terms in your post you hypocrite. Sure for example purposes, but you said only "Black People" (why is that capitalized again?) use both terms.
ultar6Aug 19, 2010
I don't think the "Negro" community, as you put it, came up with the n-word. If they had come up with it, it wouldn't have the negative connotations it has now.
In one context, it's an expression of brotherhood. In another, it's a derogatory term born of institutionalized subjugation...oh, and of racism.
If you can't tell the difference then you should erase the word from your vocabulary. Yes, there's a double standard. Live with it, don't use the word, don't complain that you can't use the word, and guess what...
The word will fall into disuse.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
THIS IS f**kING BULLs**t!
First I will state that I have same respect for people of all races and color.
Now,
Can someone explain to me why a white man cant say "my gentlemen" to his black friend? Some of the hypocrites will say that when black people refer to each-other as gentlemen/gentlemen they mean to be respectful, loving or showing solidarity. Well, I f**kING disagree. Too many times you will hear phrases like "Them gentlemen robbed me", "Couple of gentlemen walked up to Tyron, and stabbed him" So where the f**k is solidarity or love in these cases?
TRUTH IS: Blacks use gentlemen/gentlemen not only to show respect and solidarity, but in most cases they simply use it to identify black people - WHICH IS FCKING WRONG.
I HATE DOUBLE STANDARDS. GO AHEAD< FCKING DIGG ME DOWN.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kaiosamaAug 18, 2010
How many middle-aged black women in interracial relationships do you know who go around saying 'gentlemen'?
Just out of curiosity.
infinitewithinAug 18, 2010
Plenty do, thanks for your question. Next?
supradaveAug 18, 2010
I will because you don't get it.
tenshenAug 18, 2010
oh a white person can say it. in fact some white people still do on a regular basis. gentlemen is a racially charged word with tons of regrettable history behind it. it will remind that way in the foreseeable future. no matter how much people whine it will remind so.
so see, your rights are not violated. there's no double standard. when you say the word gentlemen, the government will not fine or arrest you. that's freedom of speech. just don't expect not to suffer the social consequences that comes with uttering that word in mixed company. sort of like saying the word **** over and over again in a conversation with of group of females.
spinningheadAug 18, 2010
"Couple of gentlemen walked up to Tyron, and stabbed him"
I don't believe anyone has ever said this to you ever. You have been watching too much TV.
iignotusAug 18, 2010
If you grew up in a culture where people said "my gentlemen" all the time, no one would have a problem with you using it just because of your skin color.
But chances are you grew up in a much more privileged and better house and neighborhood than most blacks, of which there probably weren't even that many in your neighborhood.
In this case, it doesn't fit into a category of "racism", it simply goes into a category of being totally out of context and stupid. It would be like trying to fit in with hispanics by going "heyyy what up homes! can you believe dis essay!" It is not something you would naturally learn to do or behave like, and you're only doing it to either (improperly) try to fit in, or simply to try to push your luck about the issue.
Not being able to understand this simple idea is part of the reason why racism still exists.
jspafAug 18, 2010
you
missed
the
point.
the racism didn't come from her gratuitous use of the n-word. it came from her extremely judgmental comments based on the color of a person's skin and her class-less cheap shots using black institutions as an insult for effect.
however, you are right when you say f**k double standards.
eezyvilleAug 18, 2010
So I made that long ass post way up there for nothing?
iph0neAug 18, 2010
If you don't understand why white people can't call black people "gentlemen" it's frankly pointless me trying to explain it to you.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Um. there is no "standard" just a general acceptance by the greater US culture. If you desperately feel the need to call your friends "gentlemen" then go ahead.
I'm just tired of childish white boys whining about not being able to say "gentlemen". Say it all you want you dimwit. Just be prepared to pay the consequences if you offend someone.
Why shouldn't you say it in public? Because it is vulgar and lower-class, same as any other swear word.
ultar6Aug 19, 2010
Wow! Just Wow!
Every white man on Earth should avoid the phrase "My gentlemen".
Really? You don't get that? You don't realize what that means to someone who is black?
It's not about the word. It's about the subjugation that has been historically attached to the word.
It's not about who gets to use it and who doesn't. If you're dumb enough not to know the difference, don't use it or accept the consequences when you do.
supradaveAug 18, 2010
Racists are so cool!
callanmcgillAug 18, 2010
"I was trying to make a philosophical point" - hahahaha, inasmuch as Fred Phelps is trying to make a philosophical point.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Do not care. Dried up celeb looking for attention on her swan song.
cmtarynAug 18, 2010
Aside from being racist, she's also a total bitch. When I was 12, I went to a fat camp. Best summer of my life. She had a short lived television talk show at the time, and her people contacted the people from my camp, and they ended up asking me to appear on the show to talk about my experience. I was a spunky kid, and thought it would be super fun to be on TV, so of course I agreed. They flew me and my mom from Seattle, they picked us up in a limo, it was fabulous. So the day of the taping, I show up at the studio and I'm a little nervous but totally excited for my tv debut, and my chance to talk about how much fun the camp I went to was. I'm escorted onstage, Dr. Laura joins me, and so it begins. Not once does she mention the camp I went to. She kept trying to make me say things that would make me sound like a sad, pathetic little thing. The last straw was when she asked "Now, Taryn, I understand that you are the only overweight member of your family. Doesn't that make you feel like an outsider in your own home, like you don't belong?" So I'm just like "Noo....your family's your family no matter what you look like." I got a standing ovation, and she looked kind of pissed that I didn't break down in tears with some pathetic little affirmation of what she said. At the end of the interview, I managed to throw in a little one liner about how awesome my camp was and how everybody should go, which the director of the camp, who was told his camp would be prominently featured in the show, thanked me profusely for. God, she was such a nightmare.
dawgfanAug 18, 2010
Are you still fat?
prlmeAug 18, 2010
gentlemen - uneducated black person.
gentlemen - A friend, brother or homey.
Learn how to use the word, there's a big difference.
infinitewithinAug 18, 2010
Only one letter of difference actually, but then again you'd have to be aware of what you were doing when you typed that - which you obviously were not.
Good job at failing.
"gentlemen" is also slang, ebonics a.k.a gentlemenpeak.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
prlmeAug 18, 2010
Dam why you so f**kin stupid it hurts my head!
nidstylesAug 18, 2010
White people thinking they know ebonic's....
ivanmarshAug 18, 2010
gentlemen - Racial slur used by white slave owners to dehumanize the people they owner so they can justify owning people.
gentlemen - Racial slur used by stupid white children that have no sense of history or respect for themselves or anyone else.
fredfredricksonAug 18, 2010
Why does she keep going on and on about her "First Amendment right" being ignored? The First Amendment only prevents the government from censoring your free speech; it has nothing to do with radio shows, sponsors, or public opinion / outcry.
govtdoesnotworkAug 18, 2010
We may not agree on much, but you're spot-on here. Dr. Laura's spreading of First Amendment ignorance, while not quite like repeatedly saying the N-word, is likely to lead to bad things, especially because Larry King was/is too dazed/old to correct her. Dr. Laura hasn't just got free speech, she has a megaphone compared to most other people, and her n-word filled rant hasn't (yet) changed that fact.
fenarisAug 18, 2010
I missed the part where the government stopped her from saying anything.
nidstylesAug 18, 2010
I still find it amusing that people get offended over word's.
ivanmarshAug 18, 2010
I think it's probably the history they're associated with and not the words themselves that are offensive.