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jsklineOct 11, 2010
Someone posted an advert for a "payday loan" thing on here from the Uk. I would NEVER EVER recommend these to anyone for any reason. You will be forever submerged in debt just on the interest.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
qwerty1024Oct 11, 2010
Maybe Digg should hire a few
Closed AccountOct 11, 2010
that's part of the problem with america. service industries that create nothing. digg doesn't actually create anything. without ads digg would see zero money on its investment. and the truth about internet advertising is nearly all companies waste more on ads than they make from them, then offset that cost on to the consumer. once they realize this can't be sustained, the dot com advertising bubble will burst and be seen for what it is.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
panicofficeOct 11, 2010
you're a moron. I work for an internet company. Close to 90% of our new business comes from internet advertising on google. You don't know what you're talking about. As opposed to print or TV advertising, here you see a DIRECT result. With TV you're just guessing how many people saw your add. And you're just guessing how many of your new customers are coming from that add. With internet advertising it's like, here's what I paid for each impression, here's what I paid for each search term, here's the impression rate, here's the click through rate, here's the abandonment rate, here's the order rate. You take that and divide it up to your advertising budget and you get a 100% 1:1 correlation in terms of $ spent, and return on that advertising money. Seriously, you should know what your'e talking about before opening your mouth.
phanfoOct 11, 2010
they are cherry picking losers here. I am 28 and have had work since I was 24 when I finished grad school at a school not as fancy as michigan or UVA. I work with many people who don't even have their masters and I must say the 20 agre group is quite well represented.
These people probably have no social skills and don't know how to work a room. Stop bitching and get a job, move to a place where there are jobs because Virginia sucks and most of America does too.
I born and raised in NYC, found a job there with no issue and not I have a career and connections life.
Sorry you suck at life but in the words of caddyshack " the world needs ditch-diggers to". So go get me my coffee bitch. I will be pissed when I have to pay your welfare because you don't have what it takes to succeed in life.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
darkthomasOct 11, 2010
No social skills? Please. When I was in college, I belonged to several clubs and I participated in class a little bit every day. I have a girlfriend and several jobs. I just can't get one well-paying enough to move out on my own. Why? Because, though I'm usually one of the top contenders for a job after the interview process (I'm trying to be a high school teacher by the way), they always give it to someone else because they've been teaching for a year or more now, whereas I'm new at it. Before you pass blame on someone for being "anti-social" or "a loser," do your research.
dvddesignOct 12, 2010
And eventually you'll either find a job or you'll make a career change. Experience DOES matter, especially in education. My sister teaches and it's 100% necessary because teaching isn't just about the kids (which is a shame), it's about the kids, the BS red tape bureaucracy of our public school system, and it's the freaking PTA. My fiance wanted to teach and managed to stay out of it when she got laid off from her previous job. I couldn't be happier because she would be miserable and in the same position you're in. Too many people using teaching as a fallback option and not enough districts can hire.
waj5001Oct 11, 2010
Not to mention there is A LOT of money in some fields, like business advertising for example, where companies have no issue hiring people because they have plenty of cash on hand. Aspiring teachers get shafted because school districts have a very strict budgets.
...and you can't be a c**k and say "Well they're retarded and didn't go where the money is" - you imagine a world without competent teachers, engineers, etc. (Teachers have to fit state quals too, so moving for work is difficult)
Some people get the short end of the stick - no matter how much they've networked, studied, etc - It's no excuse not to keep looking for a job and grow complaisant with some s**tty retail job, but the problem is there.
The real burden is paying off all that student debt that came with that 4-year degree.
miklkitOct 12, 2010
Speaking of not having any social skills..........
dusanmalOct 11, 2010
Clear debunk of the recent "blame something" attempts from Obama administration:
"Obama said that the high unemployment numbers are the fault of Americans because of our education system and because we lack the skills for the jobs that are being created" - http://www.current-movie-reviews.com/politics/2010/10/09/obama-calls-american-people-stupid-and-unskilled/
"We do have a mismatch, and it is a skills issue and an education issue," said D. Farrell deputy director of the White House National Economic Council on a panel during the annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank - http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201010081458dowjonesdjonline000429&title=white-house-aidehigh-unemployment-both-demandstructural-problemComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
panicofficeOct 11, 2010
seriously, when my wife was graduating northwestern, the graduation ceremony had the totals read aloud of how many people in the class were graduating with which degrees. It was something like Math: 70, Engineering 120, Biology/Chemistry: 60, History:50, English: 40, Foreign Language: 30, Communication 50, Philosophy 45, Pre-Med 80, Pre-Law 100, Business/Finance: 350, Economics 400. This was in 2003. You tell me, what the f**k kind of money and demand is there right now with banks failing, and wall street digging its own grave by nearly ruining the entire financial system, why on earth are there so many people going into business/finance/economics? Seriously. More than half the class was in those two fields. I understand that in 2003 that's where the money was. But that's the discrepancy. We're low on scientists, and overloaded on bankers. We need things INVENTED, and CREATED to drive the economy, instead of manipulating investment to maximize performance.
I guarantee you most of the kids looking that can't find meaningful work did not graduate with degrees in Bio/Chem/Math/Engineering/Med/Law. Those jobs are highly in demand right now.
dexanthiaOct 12, 2010
And you know why people don't go into the Science fields? Because they see the business people and bankers making ten times the money by taking advantage of the inventors, paying them a pittance for their ideas and then sitting there getting bloated off of it. Why be creative when being a leech is so much easier and more profitable?
angelbunnyOct 12, 2010
There is some truth to dusanmal's statement. The job market is always hiring but only senior level and above positions. They are not hiring entry level at all. Because people coming out of college have no previous white collar job experience they apply for entry level positions and get no where. For every entry level position there are around 1 in 200 to 1 in 300 applicants. For every above senior level position there are 1 in 1 to 1 in 5 applicants.
Companies pay based on previous experience so for a senior level position one has a higher chance being hired if they do not have a degree. They want to pay less and if two people can do the job they will hire the cheaper of the two.
This makes it extremely hard for people with degrees to get a job. However, people like myself who have no degree, (i'm 23 btw) but have the experience the company is looking for have a much easier time being hired.
Statistically speaking without having a friend already working at the company your best bet towards getting a job is to: 1) not get a degree 2) pick up a book and learn what the market needs. this can take a week to a couple of months. 3) On your résumé mention consulting work/contract work. Have friends to vouch for you. 4) Apply for senior+ level jobs. <-- if you do that I guarantee you, you will get a response for almost every job you apply for.
thdeciderOct 11, 2010
http://www.boston.com/jobs/bighelp2010/fastest_growing_jobs_by_2018/
So 90% of the up-and-coming jobs in this country are essentially going to be those dealing with the health problems of our parents generation. That sounds like the foundation of a healthy and sustainable economy right there.............. god help us. Err, excuse me; Richard Dawkins help us.
contentionOct 11, 2010
FTA: "....majoring in American Studies"
..Ok.. Now show me the unemployed Math, Science, and Engineering numbers. Not MBA's, Economists, Philosophy, or "Humanities" students.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
house6207Oct 11, 2010
I graduated with a degree in cell and molecular biology, and I am either under qualified for generic hospital lab jobs (to gain experience), or I'm not experienced enough in a lab for a job at a biotech company.
Companies are looking to hire people with experience, but I can't get experience because I'm too qualified for the lowest positions. Even with a Master's degree, they want at least two years of relevant experience.
I've heard how math and science are our future, but I'm not seeing it.
realistpieOct 11, 2010
Sounds like you need to broaden your search. Most hospital labs require a certification (which you could get) or experience. Try looking for a position in microbiology or a food science lab. Sorry you can't find a job in exactly what you want, but that's life.
bdbrOct 11, 2010
They sound like this is some new phenomenon. I graduated from college nearly 30 years ago, and even back then I would have assumed I couldn't get a job with a degree in "American Studies".
kingofthisnightOct 12, 2010
You are 100% correct. What company is thinking "Well f**k... if only we could find someone who has an extensive knowledge of American history."
cruzinheOct 12, 2010
I know a guy who got a job as a logistics supervisor with an "American History" degree ... that was in Mexico though
o76923Oct 11, 2010
You can't just get a degree in something interesting and expect to find work. It needs to be productive.
MixtapeMediaOct 11, 2010
That's a shame- luckily that's not everyone's experience.
Many new grads are taking this opportunity to look at what mistakes have been made in the past that they can create solutions for by using those 'unproductive' degrees like humanity. If they don't want to be a cog in a failing economy- why get down on them? More and more people are being forced to think creatively- making good use of a humanities degree- and come up with creative solutions for business/society instead of doing what our parents did- falling into jobs that fell in their laps. We hire mainly from this crowd because they're motivated and innovative.
entangledphysxOct 12, 2010
Sounds like someone is sour for getting a humanities degree.
cupanoodlesOct 12, 2010
I recently graduated with a bachelors of science in environmental science from the University of California Berkeley. I don't think it's only humanities graduates who are feeling frustrated with job prospects. I'm still waiting on the plethora or green jobs I've been promised by literally every politician who has campaigned in the last three years.
batonryeOct 12, 2010
This is why I love software and computer science so much. Can't find a job? Start creating things yourself.
chefgroovyOct 11, 2010
They need to seriously counsel people who are taking American Studies, and all that crap. Make them sign a paper stating that they know they are wasting their parents money and will be working at Best Buy
Want to study America, watch history channel, want a job, take engineering or something productive
Closed AccountOct 11, 2010
The older generations can't understand the plight of younger generations. where we see lack of opportunity, they see laziness. they don't realize how much things have changed. in 1950, the US population was 150 million (and only 75 million of those worked cause most women didn't). today, nearly 400 million pop count. That's a huge change in competition and job availability. Not to mention many jobs that used to be done by people are now done by machines. And many jobs shipped over seas.
College degree's used to be far cheaper, and not as necessary to gain decent employment. Today you can't even get into entry level positions, they always want some years of experience. when you see those types of jobs, more often than not, it's a rouse by the company to bring in visa workers at less pay. they put 5 years experience needed on a job a person with no experience could do then say to uncle sam 'hey we have no americans qualified for this job, we need to look overseas'.
This generation is going to be one of the few generations in the last 100 years with the right to say 'we had it hard'. The elderly aren't only sucking this country dry like a dieing man in a desert taking a childs cantene to prolong his life just a little more. They're also still stealing jobs from the young. They have to retire before those numerous jobs become available. when someone see's 20 years experience vs 3 years on a resume, who do you think they will choose? plus the elderly are more inclined to take low pay in order to keep their jobs from falling in the hands of the younger generations.
so on one side, we have legal and illegal immigrants taking american jobs, we have foreigners taking american jobs over seas. we have the elderly filling up positions. we have machines doing work people used to do. looking at all of this, it's no wonder there is no room for the younger generations to get a start in the real world, because the real world has butted them out. And this only scratches the surface.
the american dream is dead. The older generations and foreigners are screaming 'me first, damn the rest of you', while the younger american generations are screaming 'we never had a chance'.
jsrdelsolOct 12, 2010
^very very true "unit01"
quisquisOct 12, 2010
^wrong on every level "unit01"
jmaisOct 12, 2010
So, you'll cash out before you get old, right?
justice700Oct 12, 2010
THEY TOOK 'ER JOBS!!
chemicalbrosOct 12, 2010
The following are not new phenomena; ask your parents:
-people with more experience getting hired for jobs
-immigrants getting jobs
-jobs being shipped overseas
-people being replaced by machines in the workplace
-college graduates expecting a job when they graduate regardless of how useless their degree is
-old people thinking young people are lazyComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dvddesignOct 12, 2010
As someone who's been in the workforce officially for 10 years now, I have to disagree. 9/11 happened literally a month after I graduated from college. Hows that for bad luck? I even made a change from IT to Marketing in 2005 because I was run down so much from the low pay, high stress, etc of it all.
Suck it up. Unless you happen to get some VC funded super internet thing going, you're gonna have to have some hard times. It's the "bad part" of your life where college was but a dream and reality kicks into high gear. You're going to be jealous of friends who get high paying gigs, you're going to be resentful of your parents earning double (or more) what you do when they clearly don't grasp the complexities of working in the modern workplace.
You're going to be dumbfounded when you can't find work when you have more recent and relevant knowledge than other "more qualified" candidates who are getting hired.
You see lack of opportunity? Really? I've busted my ass to separate myself from my IT background so I could start fresh with a job more in line with my degree and I STILL get people asking where I squandered the first 4 years of my professional career. I've stepped into jobs for the past 6 years where they have hired flunkies and morons to do a job that anyone with a HINT of passion about the product could do a passable job to help sell their products and made it shine.
My first real marketing gig had me marketing boxes that haul s**t. Literal s**t. And I pumped enough time and effort into it to make their EOY profits jump 30% in 2 years. The owner still calls me 3 years after I left because they're unable to find anyone like me out there.
I stand here, stunned, wondering why...? Anyone with a fresh marketing degree could hold that job. And it wasn't hard work, or an employer who is difficult.
I think there is a large degree of empathy being broadcast. "Feel sorry for me..." I don't. I can't. I'll have to look into going to go get my Masters soon just so I can go a little further than middle management in my career. Jobs are out there if you look. Jobs are out there if you try and are willing to prove you're going to work harder and better than anyone else.
Work is not showing up at 8am and blogging for 12 hours a day about your Facebook or putting up bitch posts on Digg about how hard it is. If this is your definition of "work", you best lower your expectations even further and prepare for a lifetime of being second, because no one will feel your sorrow like you do, and as a result, no one will be willing to help you other than yourself.
mandysmooreOct 11, 2010
i hope all these wonderkids get meaningful employment
Closed AccountOct 11, 2010
cont. - in my basement running in people sized conveyor belts to power my TV.
See... there's supposed to be a period at the end of a sentence.
harrisbradleyOct 11, 2010
Might as well start working right after high school graduation, and put yourself through college (or get your work to pay for it). College after securing a job is way more useful than college before securing a job. Even if you get an internship without pay, you have at least started your career and can work on progress as opposed to spending another 4-5 years not working, and "learning".
angelbunnyOct 12, 2010
^ I agree!
If there is one lesson I could teach kids in high school today, is exactly what you said.
Closed AccountOct 12, 2010
Story of my life. I guess creating a job is the best thing to do if you're not able to find a job.
danogburnOct 12, 2010
I knew there was a reason I'm taking 6+ years to get my undergrad degree......sucks to all my friends that graduated on time!
nubliOct 12, 2010
I've finally gotten past the 4 year mark after HS graduation and only two people from my class have actually completed some 4 year education with a degree and have a job. Everyone else is spinning their wheels at fast food joints because their resume is as blank as a blondes' face in a calculus class. I sure am glad I have 4 years of work experience to go behind my 4 years of lazy school progress.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
garhentOct 12, 2010
Are you kidding me, he got a Phd in American Studies and wonders why he can't get a job? f**k him. You want a home, a wife, 2.5 kids and a dog, then go to college and get a REAL degree. Gee, how about HVAC, Plastic Engineering, Radiology, Actuary ANYTHING that actually requires some amount of work. But History, History? The guy might as well be on crack.
entangledphysxOct 12, 2010
Just like political science degree--only reason to get it is to teach pol. science or be on TV as a political commentator of some type.
mrswapOct 12, 2010
Sadly, not enough people look at the job market before putting 5+ years into a degree. People get "the degree" part drilled into them and what the degree is for seems to be secondary. It's only a golden ticket if it proves you're useful to an employer. I'm not sure how many employers are fawning over the American Studies graduates...
menoyouOct 12, 2010
Thanks Democrats! Maybe we should tax everyone even more to give all these idiots with their "womens studies" degrees some government jobs. After all, we need more diversity!!!111 DERPComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
afewbravemenOct 12, 2010
Feel sorry for those younger than me, the world is not what you are taught it would be. Work hard, get theoretical qualifications, then work experience into "meaningful work". Not really an answer, but maybe a suggestion .I fell foul of ill health doing a Phyiscs/ Mathematics degree. Changed tack realising was going nowhere and did an electronics course instead. In some ways the second course was easier but it has a pratical aspect not purely theoretical.
As one or two comments mention on the productivity, you will struggle to produce anything at a comeptitive price because the current 1st world economies prohibit it unless you manage to get in with a top flight company (unlikely as not enough positions). So take the pratical and apply the creatrivity, make something for yourself. Did and kind of proud of it and it is simple. Will never sell until the cost base of markets change (the labor costs) and nothing I can do about that. Project shelved, work around it just improving the skills. There is no work for these skills, but that is the same for many of the productive technologies not just the arts.
Whatever you do, don't stop and don't give up is the key. Keep learning whatever it is because in the end the system has to change as it is not financially viable as it is (that is what the downturn is about). Not everybody is going to be a movie or rock star either, you might like to be but chances are slim as that is what everybody else is doing.
A practical angle and all core practical technology courses should be made to offer "outsourced work experience" to offer the course. Chin up, keep smiling and do not give up hope. Know this fact you can turn round iff you make it in the knowledge that it is "your achievement" in spite of the way things are. Two finger salute to the politicians is then in order or get lost take you pick.
The last bit would make it for me, don't know about you.
zarulOct 12, 2010
Sad Sad Sad...I am petrified thinking about the situation when I graduate!
devenkelling79Oct 12, 2010
don't pick a stupid major
stewartatattuneOct 12, 2010
A hugely important article.
tlm2021Oct 12, 2010
I'm 22 years old, I have a 4 year degree from Purdue University. I put in a lot of hard work learning outside of class learning more than what was presented in the classroom. Within 2 months of graduation, I started a position a DreamWorks Animation.
Most of my friends, while not working their dream jobs, have found spots at skilled positions making living wages. They also put in tons of hard work and tried to excel every chance they could. Top of the class wasn't good enough.
Showing up and getting a degree isn't enough. It was my work outside of class that got me my position. They told me so. The jobs are out there, even for people who are green. You just have to prove you are willing and able to put in the effort to be worth the investment to train you.
idugggOct 12, 2010
"recovering from two intense years of business school"
Am I the only one to lol at this?
jmaisOct 12, 2010
I got Mrbabyman, a good comment section (that actually excedes a 10% comment to Digg ratio) and no stupid f**king shoe spam!! Almost like our old Digg :D....almost....*only thing left is for My comment to get burried*...almost...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tylercdavisOct 12, 2010
This is my life story and why I turned to internet marketing. I can spend 15 minutes to submit a resume and get nothing. I can spend 15 minutes writing an article and get 1 cent a day.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
foxhaze5Oct 12, 2010
Read an article about people that took dumbf**k majors in college and are complaining about the gracious opportunity to work in McDonalds that they are afforded. Laugh.
mrwalshOct 12, 2010
Maybe we shouldn't have been so giddy about creating an economic environment where only the highest margin companies can survive as we jettisoned all our 'boring', unenlightened, environmentally insensitive jobs. Henry Ford has left the building, and he's set up shop in China, and loving it.
stimuliOct 12, 2010
It sucks, but no worries. When I was coming out mid 90's it didn't look good either. Then the internet boom. It's all a cycle. Hang in there. There's always the military.
endgameOct 12, 2010
The U.S. has to stop telling every kid they MUST get a college degree. Why do you think tuition is so damn high, it's because the U.S. Government gives BILLIONS in educational grants & loans & the schools gladly take your money. You only need to go to college if you are in a specialized field like Bio/Chem/Math/Engineering/Med/Law/Computers, etc. What value to do you give the real world with a degree in English literature or Liberal arts. The vast majority of people in the U.S. dont have a degree & many (not all) do perfectly fine. I used to work in a body shop when I was younger and we had numerous guys working on repairing the cars making at LEAST 120K a year & only a few spoke good English.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
devenkelling79Oct 12, 2010
Probably should have gone for engineering instead of "American Studies" wtf is that, and who is going to pay you anything to do what ever it is you do? being a graduate doesn't mean anything. gaining a skill set that no one else has, and someone actually needs, is how you get paid.
joshua1181Oct 12, 2010
I graduated with a frickin' English degree in 2007 - got my foot in the door doing terribly boring work at financial services company, and leveraged that experience to get other better and better jobs in the industry. I gotta think some version of that is still possible... Believe me, there's plenty of places that prefer younger workers over someone that's 54 with somewhat stale skills... and will never, ever be as proficient with assorted technology as we are.
xobarbarianOct 12, 2010
I just saw something the other day that laid off people are under-qualified to fill the positions they were laid off from. Employers are trying to get people to do what used to be the job of 4 people with different skills. As a result, a lot of employers can't find people qualified to do those jobs. I see it at my job too...
cupanoodlesOct 12, 2010
AMEN! I graduated from the University of California Berkeley in May and am feeling much like both of the example graduates in the piece: like society has no place to put recent graduates. With the number of people out of work, applicants to jobs in my field are flooded with people vastly overqualified for the jobs that people with a Bachelor's degree and zero experience should want. As a result, employers are able to bump up the qualifications required for entry level positions; 5+ years field experience, additional credentials, etc. Living off of graduation gifts is really fun and relaxing for a while but it soon became clear that I will have to work jobs far below my level of education or work for free for years to pad my resume, probably both.