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redstringJun 5, 2011
All this fuss about who is to blame instead of what to do about it. :/
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
You didnt hear? Its an election year, time for political games to promote your own party, not actual effort that could take time away from coming up with ideas to fix our economy. f**k the republican house hasnt tried passing a SINGLE job bill since taking office.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
Perfect example of what the poster above you is complaining about.
Explain to me how the government can legislate non-taxpayer paid jobs into existence?
"I passed a jobs bill!!!" Whoopdedoo....Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
It's called infrastructure and small business reform. Defend the house all you want, but, it seems to me (and the majority of America with their 30% approval ratings) that their job recently is to complain about Obama being the reason they cant do their REAL job, representing and helping Americans.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
Explain to me how you can legislate non taxpayer paid jobs into existence?
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
... go read the history of the great depression and get back to us when you're not a layman on the subject of infrastructure and recession ending.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
In other words, you don't have a clue.
Many believe the great depression was ended by WWII.
You advocating for a world war or something?
xophermvJun 5, 2011
And what exactly changed during WW2 which caused the end of the Great Depression? The government put everyone to work through massive stimulus in gearing up and conducting war. We could do the same: put everyone to work through massive stimulus, except this time through repairing our infrastructure which badly needs attention.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
Oh, Xo that'd be against her mantra. So what if history or those liberally biased facts prove her wrong.
bdbrJun 5, 2011
If the unemployment is due to low capacity driven by lack of demand, the government can inject money to stimulate demand, which should drive the need for capacity & jobs.
If the unemployment is structural and there is high capacity elsewhere (i.e. now), the government-injected money will just go where the capacity already exists (overseas).
We should be envious of 1929 - they had low public debt, low private debt, a younger workforce, little demand for skilled labor, and inefficient global shipping & communications. Our situation is very different and it deserves a lot of explaining why anyone thinks the same solutions will work.
rattelerJun 5, 2011
Bush already waisted the War incentive and used it up to give "retention bonuses" to the business that should have been destroyed because they tanked the economy.
Now we have to reclaim that money that was stolen from the criminals who stole it, and yes... redistribute BACK to the people who it should have gone to to create jobs in the first place.
70% of our economy is based on consumer spending, which supports economy of scale, which makes an industrialized economy possible.
Ruin the consumer base for the richest 2% and that 2% end up spending way more... on much fewer items, all customized for them.
Economy of scale collapses and the population that cannot afford custom one offs of everything revolts.
The richest 2% dies horrible at the hands of as many other 98% as their custom 1 off army can take with them.
All because you didn't pave the roads, build the bridges and put up a few windmills.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
starmanjonesJun 5, 2011
it may not be the best solution. but government could be an employer.
drmangrumJun 6, 2011
Xophermv, you have a poor understanding of history. The US did well after WW2 because the US was one of the few industrialized nation that wasn't blown to hell and back. Most of Europe was picking up the pieces. Whom do you think was buying the goods from American factories? It wasn't until the 60's that most of Europe and Japan were able to produce at any sort of capacity. By that time America held dominance over the rest of the world.
Government doesn't create jobs. Businesses create jobs. All government has to do is foster a business-friendly economic environment and stay vigilant to ensure everyone is playing fair.
kasha34Jun 6, 2011
Oh God. Do you still think it was the New Deal and govt paid jobs that ended the Great Depression?
kasha34Jun 6, 2011
@xophermv
What changed during WWII? The world was destroyed, that's what changed. All except for the United States.
After WWII, almost all the factories in the world were destroyed, except here. Of COURSE we had a boom for a few years.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
They'd be wrong, it was the cap on a already successfully done legislature designed to decrease unemployment, and it worked. Don't claim someone is ignorant of job creation when you obviously have no clue how important small business and infrastructure is to jobs.
rattelerJun 5, 2011
But then Quirky would NEVER post. That's her whole shtick.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
Better than the s**tck on your Digg profile.
"The wealthy have manipulated our government until it no longer represents any one but them. This is a Tyranny as sure as any foreign king or other nation. TERRORISM against TYRANNY is Patriotism! To take action in any way against a Tyranny for the betterment of all the nations citizens is an act of patriotism. From Civil disobedience to the acts of violent sabotage, as long as a tyrant tries to undermine the democratic will of the people, any action against them is Patriotism. The "Tea Party" has already threatened the use of "Second Amendment" options, We should remind them that all citizens have them. Piracy is Patriotism! In an age when money dictates power and representation, striking against the means of getting money by the tyrants is as patriotic as any other form of retaliation. “rather than submit to shame to die we would prefer...” - The BONNIE BLUE FLAG — City, State"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
I lulzed
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
Typical defense from Qurik, she gets called out, posts something completely irrelevant and claims its connected.
drmangrumJun 6, 2011
Oh look, it's one of Novenator's sock puppet accounts.
rattelerJun 8, 2011
Quirky, You seem obsessed with my profile statements.
I hope you haven't renamed your vibrator Comrade Ratteler already.
JonathonFishenatorJun 8, 2011
*get owned on digg*
*can't properly rebut statements"
*they don't agree with me, so obviously they're leftist radicals*
*blame it on nova even though the guy has posted a picture of his military uniform and 3-4 ids*
*unable to reconcile how dumb you are*Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
"reform" is a progressives wet dream
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
"coservatives" are the countries greatest nightmare.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
Your bury brigade is a bit early, don't you guys usually wait until the the topic is dead so your smurf accounts can fully take effect? A bit premature considering this is a new thread and the comments will be bumped back up.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
Speaking of smurf accounts ... it looks like yours is pretty new.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
Ya, and I had my last account closed when I made this one. Your point?
the_pol3catJun 5, 2011
Dont you have like a job or hobby. Do you really think what you are doing on digg is changing anything?
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
Why do you need multiple accounts?
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
That account was my facebook connection, which doesnt work when trying to login on my android phone, so I made a new one. Bigger question, why do your fellow old dogg members need multiple accounts?
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
This is my only account on Digg.
murxJun 6, 2011
Simple question - simple answer:
Laws that force them to do a job:
Food industry - more QA and food analyzing for instance. They either show they test their whole food chain weekly or they lose their right to sell stuff.
Housing - force them to keep the housing at a specific minimum standard (higher is of course allowed) - instead of being allowed to rent out ruins. Either keep their property in shape or lose it.
See, it IS that simple.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
"job bill"....
Are you still living in the 20th century of party lines? Blue and Red are just a tag team rape machine of more taxes,more taxes,more taxes...more taxes.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
starmanjonesJun 5, 2011
to me... blame is about avoiding it.
monvalleyJun 5, 2011
Is this what you said when President Bush was in office.
david4041Jun 6, 2011
redstring: "All this fuss about who is to blame instead of what to do about it."
Maybe the thing to do is get rid of the people who are to blame.
kolop1Jun 5, 2011
When you export jobs, they don't come back.
cantstopwontstopJun 5, 2011
oh they'll come back, when americans are soo poor that the cost of things they make will be cheaper than that of the asia's. then and only then will some come back. meanwhile, we're importing more immigrants every year than the amount of jobs we create. immigration is just outsourcing on our own soil.
when obama talks about america needing to be competitive, he means we need to be cheap to compete. quantity over quality. the problem is, $50 might buy a months worth of food in a 'poor' country, but that same $50 won't buy jack s**t in the USA. if inflation wasn't soo bad, we wouldn't have a problem. reducing buying power and raising prices spells disaster.
touchy610Jun 6, 2011
If one works the right way about it, 50 bucks can buy a whole lot. I'd know; I had to live on very little per month not too long ago.
fr33thinkerJun 7, 2011
You prolly never heard of Top Ramen :) Man, you can live on 30 bucks a month on Top Ramen. Not well, though.
diggduggjoeJun 5, 2011
They will come back when we get our financial house in order. Sorry but people cannot spend 3 bucks for every dollar they put into Medicare. The wars have to stop. Other cost cutting will help.
One thing that could help is to s**t can the corporate tax. The corporate tax is paid by consumers plain and simple, unless of course some lobbyist finds a better deal for a particular company. That corporate tax is paid by us AND our potential customers overseas.
david85282Jun 5, 2011
5. The internet created a cheap, global workforce.
6. Computers and robots work even cheaper.
bdbrJun 5, 2011
It's ridiculous to think the Fed's quantitative easing would improve employment in today's environment. It just throws money into the system and inflates the currency. It's a boon for the wealthy because that money shifts into assets, and they can shift their assets overseas where excess capacity sits ready and waiting for increased demand from stimulus.
Corporate profits go up, stock prices go up, and commodity prices go way up, but for the average American all they see is the price of goods go up while their paychecks stagnate (and even if their paychecks rise, it only allows them to buy the same amount). Inflation isn't real growth.
rattelerJun 5, 2011
People can't keep more of the money they are NOT MAKING in the first place.
zeldaharrisJun 6, 2011
The real number of people in the USA who are currently unemployed is much higher this figure does not include the people no longer considered to be in the work force that is to say people who have been unemployed over 40 weeks.
crazedleperJun 6, 2011
True, plus, when you get data from people that you know, you also find that they're doing everything in their power to screw people out of UI to keep the count as low as possible. I know one person who is getting $66/wk. What could anyone do on that? Die.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
robertisaarJun 6, 2011
i'm pretty sure you can't even die on 66/week....
i guess if your funeral cost ~$2000, then after 30 weeks, then you could die.
irvman21Jun 6, 2011
If the intent of the 1 trillion dollar stimulus has been to create jobs, rather than to line the pockets of Barry's major campaign donors, millions of unemployed Americans would find themselves in much better shape.
gezuskJun 6, 2011
You mean the first stimulus from Bush, the one that went to banks and Wall Street?
irvman21Jun 6, 2011
The TARP bill Obama voted for when he was a Senator and Bush was President? No.
The one passed by Obama and the Democratic Congress in 2009 that was targeted for his campaign donors.
leroykJun 5, 2011
First the politicians have proven themselves useless. If we did our jobs the same way then we would have 91 percent unemployment. It is up to us to solve this problem and change what is needed. We can thank the cable errr, politician talk networks for producing a useless congress.
melthornalJun 5, 2011
Well, you have the uneducated American people who do not understand and actively refuse to educate themselves about 'variable rate mortgages.'
The banks who gave loans they knew would fail.
The investment bankers who labeled and traded these subprime loans as if they were AAA assets.
The banks on the receiving end of these trades and ultimately bought subprime loans, without doing the proper investigative work.
The government agencies that deregulated the system and allowed for these sorts of swaps to be legal.
The American people who, after all this information came to public knowledge, continue to support deregulation by way of electing congressmen who are continuing this trend.
I would say it is everyones fault. All of the American people, all of the banks, all of the investment banks, all of the foreign banks, and all of the foreign people for allowing their banks to do this behavior. It is EVERYONES fault. Look in the mirror, it is your fault. Look at people outside. It is their fault. Turn on the TV, every face you see. Yup, their fault, too. Everyone is at fault.
Now, what are you doing to fix it?
meedJun 6, 2011
Since s**t like this economic collapse takes years to happen, I want to blame Clinton and Bush, the various congresses that passed legislation that helped allow the banks to fail, and the entire board of the Federal reserve.
crazedleperJun 6, 2011
Clinton may not have known the effects of deregulation (though it's hard to see how he could not have known) but Bush definitely knew. He did everything in his power to screw the country that his grandfather hated so much.
bluto36Jun 6, 2011
cause his Grandfather was a ancient Aztec alien.
mistakenly sent here when his Mayan rubicon future chair was hit by stargate phonetic waves.
L Ron Hubbard wrote all about it
crazedleperJun 6, 2011
Well, I try to know as little about Hubbard as possible but it's a documented matter of history that GWB's grandfather was part of a scheme with some of the largest US companies of the day to overthrow the US Gov't and replace it with the fascist regime which has since slowly crept upon the US in the decades since.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bluto36Jun 6, 2011
is that the Bush from the Baked bean company or the Bush from the Secret Nazi Alien underground Antarctic spaceship Base?
crazedleperJun 7, 2011
The latter--only, due to the proliferation of the stupidest generation of Americans yet, they no longer require the underground base. They can hide in plain sight now--thanks to the incredulousness of people like you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
laurahoustonJun 5, 2011
The attack the President crap is such a time waster. Regular americans looking for work need something now!! to generate their own 'work' .
1) The local barriers against self-employment must be removed, suggest the President mandate removing all zoning laws that restrict self-employment. No license fees for self-employed.
2)Small family run businesses (under about 150k) can't compete with megastores- suggest tax free for the first ~150k income of a small business...income and state tax free. low employee taxes for first 3-4 fulltime employees.
3) must be kept on the low income level, low meaning less than 150k-200k...once a small business is earning 150k a year they can start paying their fair share of taxes and local license fees.
4) all morgage payments and gov loans both in and payments out- for 6 months...no interest charges, the payments continue and pay straight towards principal.
and/or the gov declaires bankrupt on selective loans and closes that part of the gov.
5) all open 'jobs' pull from the pool of unemployed (on unemployment)local to them. on the job training for example- a useless skill like 'travel agent' learns how to be a medical assistant.
6) open easement land both local and federal to small business farming. There is a ton of open land owned by Entex and other corporations, that sits fallow
7)drop the drug war except for border security and legal marijuana...all those billions saved, all the underground jobs into the taxpayer light. and the NEW tourist industry born.
aaa- what I would do to create a million jobs and save billions, and bring in revenue fast. just dreaming, answering the article without casting blame!.
the_pol3catJun 5, 2011
Heh, you make too much sense. Don't ever run for office.
crazedleperJun 6, 2011
That would be *this* particular president's job. Seriously, when has blaming the black guy *not* worked? There's a much bigger picture here but it's one that people don't *want* to see.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bdawg123Jun 6, 2011
STFU you paranoid prick.
apokalyps2547Jun 5, 2011
Republicans: "Government cannot create jobs. That said: it's totally Obama's fault he didn't create jobs."
And they expect us to swallow that malarkey.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
The President for not driving more bills through, and the congress and senate for purposely avoiding the issue (especially the republicans for openly admiting to having the goal of making Obama fail).
These people discuss debts and revise the patriot act in stead of helping our populace. Shows how out of touch with reality these people are.
frayedknotjeffJun 5, 2011
George W. Bush, he put us in the poor house.
JonathonFishenatorJun 5, 2011
Oh, but deficits don't matter, remember? lol
bdbrJun 5, 2011
Alan Greenspan should join him the list. The Fed dropped interest rates so low that it the financial markets were like credit on crack, and there was very little oversight on all that leveraging.
daiichiJun 6, 2011
Liberals: "Bush did it!"
Conservatives: 'Obama did it"
Libertarians: "Vote for Ron Paul!"
Harold Camping: "Lord, take me away!"
The last is really understandable as no matter how we look at it methinks we are royally screwed.
rocannonJun 6, 2011
so damn tired of people wanting to BLAME instead of FIX. (sigh)
drmangrumJun 6, 2011
I can sympathize with your frustration, but sometimes you have to know why something is broken before you can fix it.
Many democratic policies enacted by under Clinton's democratic congress were the catalyst to today's economic woes. Bush's spending spree and the democratic congress in power since 2006 have exasperated the problem. Obama's policies are feeding the beast. Hell, Obama won't even admit how serious the problems are.
jacquelynekJun 6, 2011
Although your aim may come from true intentions... the average american/global citizen has been attacked financially by bigger powers/global elite. We need to know what is going on, fix it and make it so it _never_ happens again or our efforts to fix things would be fruitless.
veganpaJun 6, 2011
Who cares? More tax cuts for the rich!!!
Closed AccountJun 7, 2011
another mindless marxist. Is "NOODLES" a dictator?
merainydayJun 6, 2011
Oh puhleeeeez... The big banks that had so very much fun packaging up people lives and dreams and homes into gabmling chips!... They the US treasury paid off their losses....and now they want to start all over again!
davedavisJun 6, 2011
I'm not to blame. I'm looking for a job every day. Anyone hiring an offsite mobile developer? Here's my resume http://www.davidbdavis.com/
laurahoustonJun 6, 2011
call curt, very nice guy talk to him. http://38studios.com/jobs
langfordJun 6, 2011
Jobs are scarce because fewer and fewer products are being made in the United States. Fewer products are made in the United States because they can be made for slave wages in other nations and purchased for dirt cheap back in the United States. Setting larger import terifs could help undo this, by letting locally made products compete with cheap imported products. The nation has to decide what it wants, dirt cheap Chinese blue jeans, or jobs to pay for food and shelter.
validopinionJun 6, 2011
Duh, the bankers.
When will people stop looking at the false left/right paradigm and look at the REAL people behind all the problems.
peschelnetJun 6, 2011
Because it's much easier for people to blame someone else for there problem than to look in the mirror. Maybe if people took a little more responsibility for there actions and stopped looking to the government to save them or fix there problems we might be better off.
barasawaJun 6, 2011
politicians and corporate lobbyists
at least that's my bet.
blackjackjesterJun 5, 2011
http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-all-american-problems-could-be-solved-by-jus,20515/
ITS SO TRUE. Stop blaming others and fall onto tried and true job creation methods. Increase grant money for education, improve public works, cut hours not employees, lower small business tax, lower property taxes, cut corn and oil subsidies. The list goes on, the only people who stand to lose are lawmakers. Dirtbags.
monvalleyJun 5, 2011
Whose to blame? The idiotic policies and spending and demonizing the private sector, of our sitting president; the community agitator. The private sector businesses have plenty of cash available to expand and grow, but will not go forward due to the uncertainty what expansion will cost them.
cryhavocgamingJun 5, 2011
It's only a matter of time before the government just decides to raise taxes (again) and hire more IRS agents, then take credit for creating more government jobs.
neaput1Jun 6, 2011
There are jobs out there! You must be a person that wants the job and will do the job. Before the Golden voice was discovered and splattered all over the media, I took a cardboard sign to the corner of Wal-mart in TorC NM. At the very spot where the bums ( same bums ) camp and beg for money. My sign read "Able bodied 40 and fit, needs a job, NO HANDOUTS"! I had a job that day tileing. Thinking that way will do well because most of the people in positions already, feel overworked, underpaid, and feel it may be a decade before they get any recognition. As it stands right now there is no way in hell to fix this without lies,theft,war, and then it's just something to buy more time. Sweep a road, dig a ditch, clean a restroom......yes it is in your job description. Pull the frikkin pants up, maybe cut your hair. Most of all, suck it up and pick a job and do it with a smile.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
Its basic economics vs complex regulated(dictated economy)
A)the u.s. government created the federal income tax
B)the u.s. government gave the ability to private banks to print endless amounts of currency (not backed by silver and gold)
C)that currency is then divided to provide inflated credit (money that doesnt exist),just a value on paper
D)the government borrows (steals) taxes to pay for endless warfare,weaponry,and lettuce pickers
E)the debts incurred are not repayable,therefore the government "defaults" (doesnt pay the money back)
F)The currency then gets inflated more so that special interest businesses can boom their stock and trade it off before the market crashes..or is aware of it.
G)tax payers get hit with inflation and devalued currency
H)small local business have to crawl through a battlefield of tax codes to maintain business and to hire new employees ,
I)there are alot of federal regulations on trade and business
J)jobs are lost because of the regulations driving up cost and slowing down production
K)private citizens are forced to pay more than half their yearly income in taxes,..which ultimately means they cannot buy that nice skateboard for little jimmy,or that brand new scooter for jamie at the local toy store
L)jobs lost because citizens have little money to spend (other than on bills)
M)the other half of yearly income ,citizens are paying bills with.
N)property taxes ....also illegal.You basically lease your "property" from the government.
I can go on and on and on. The u.s. government is the cause of job loss
and creating more government jobs,more retarded molestation squads aka TSA...all of that job hiring the federal government does adds to national debt and job loss.
Closed AccountJun 5, 2011
why is my comment buried?its legit knowledge.
ruyzJun 6, 2011
because things are the way they are for a reason, many smarter men before you have built this society your so bitter towards.
murxJun 6, 2011
No, many 'smarter' man have rigged the game long ago.
Just like the first village elder decided that his son and his sons son should be the next village elder... smart move. Wrong solution to good leadership.
Just remember how 'smart' they were in creating the Federal Reserve and the Fed Res Act under very shady circumstances....
Closed AccountJun 7, 2011
Ruyz has no clue what you speak of. You are too intelligent for conversation with him. I am fully aware of the rigged and regulated bank system.
Closed AccountJun 7, 2011
smarter men "built" society? lmfao where did you learn that?in a stalinist institution?
rudegarJun 6, 2011
Ok I admit it I'm responsible! :S
diggduggjoeJun 5, 2011
The REAL unemployment rate by many sources is over 20%!
igorunchainedJun 6, 2011
There was a very believable link yesterday that factored in those who were out of work and NOT looking and those who need full time but only have found part time work (along with the "out of work and looking"). That was at about 16% nationwide.
missinglinkJun 5, 2011
We have taken low unemployment and perpetual economic growth for granted as an inevitability of time. The majority of human history and the current status quo of most of the world belies this assumption.
Low unemployment and perpetual economic growth require a very specific - and very rare - set of conditions. Economic opportunity has to be combined with legal and regulatory stability.
My point is, if the United States alters these fragile conditions which have lead to low unemployment and steady growth we may never get them back.
Rouge77Jun 6, 2011
I blame capitalism.
ROGU3WAV3Jun 5, 2011
Jobs? Jobs???? I'm still waiting for the oceans to recede.
brsox2445Jun 5, 2011
It still amazes me that only 7 states in the United States actually have an unemployment above 8 percent (one point below the national average).
melthornalJun 5, 2011
Uh, what? I see 24 states with 8.0 or lower unemployment. 10 States between 8.0 and 9.1 (the average). 18 above 9.1 (including DC and Puerto Rico). WTF are you referring to?
jacquelynekJun 6, 2011
US unemployment: The bad news the US jobs figures hide
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12940054
melthornalJun 6, 2011
Oh those are April numbers about March? I was going by May numbers regarding April.
jacquelynekJun 6, 2011
Doesn't matter what month it is.. you missed the point entirely. The media does a good job I see.
melthornalJun 6, 2011
Do you even try to make sense? First you point to a completely irrelevant article, then you say something so stupid that it is almost mind boggling. It is like you are some sort of failtroll or something. Are you just really bad at trolling? I'm so confused.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jacquelynekJun 6, 2011
That is an incredibly relevant article. If you dont understand what it says then I can't help you.
All in all, the "Numbers" are bogus!
melthornalJun 6, 2011
Oh, so you are just really, really, really hung up on the idea of U3 unemployment? I get it. That is really your whole point? Please don't waste my time, you moron.
jacquelynekJun 6, 2011
You are the one referring to "U3" numbers not me.
jacquelynekJun 6, 2011
Thats if you want to buy into the fallacy that the "unemployment rate" is what it is. The numbers do not tell the whole truth of the matter.
US unemployment: The bad news the US jobs figures hide
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12940054
The information in this article should be common knowledge but unfortunately it is not due to the media/government BS on the "unemployment rate."