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crapolatimeFeb 5, 2011
If some people knew about how much B.S. world countries governments trade favors. So many secret deals and puppet el Presidents put into power.
Even Saddam was a CIA agent. Well until he cut his republican control strings. But it only cost 1 trillion dollars and about 120,000 civilians dead to vote him out.
Rouge77Feb 5, 2011
Probably several times that amount of civilian deaths. Iraq Body Count gives 99 000 - 108 000 civilian deaths based on at least two independent news articles, and scientific studies have shown that war time reporting in modern wars usually reports only 20 % of deaths - in Bosnian war 60 % - and this is based on single mentions in news sources.
Also, at least a year ago, there were officially 15 000 people missing because of the war according to the Iraqi government.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
superkendallFeb 6, 2011
Since Saddam killed far more people than that, and many of them horribly tortured to boot - a good trade. Especially when you consider it wasn't even the U.S. that killed many of them, but islamic fundamentalists trying to scare people into fighting with them. The U.S. is only responsible for civilian deaths that we caused.
heliosPR1M3Feb 6, 2011
This is the argument of personal responsibility. It is not a pretty reality that the American peoples government perpetrates great atrocities all over the world, and through out its history. Further more, the rest of the world does not see Americans as innocent bystanders, like their own dead or starving family. They see them as a blind and lazy bunch, willfully ignorant, even, of the harm their inaction allows.
You can say all you want, until you understand that countless little girls and boys have been killed by the madman Saddam Hussein, who was put into power by Washington politic, and by these pointless wars.
Conservatives have no right to point the finger at anyone and talk about responsibility until they look the mothers of a million dead sons, husbands, and daughters in the eye. Banners, slogans and flags flown in baseless pride were the fuel that justified the wars into public acceptance.
cosmicsurferFeb 6, 2011
"Saddam killed far more people than that, and many of them horribly tortured to boot "....
Might I add with the blessing of the US government who gave him the arms to do so and helped cover his crimes until it was no longer advantageous to do so.
...Then we took over his torture chambers (Abu Ghraib the most famous) and started it all up again...men, women and children abuse, sodomized.,..tortured all in the name of AMARUCUH.
We installed Mao, we kept Stalin in power - hell, we supported Musharraf and Mubarak More recently, we sent our "detainees" to Egypt so THEY could torture and keep OUR hands clean.
Your attempts to justify an action by a government to cover up for their crimes by deflecting..."but...but"...fall on deaf ears of the informed since they are no more than talking points fed to the willfully ignorant to justify our own criminal acts - helping you get through the night, it seems.
Closed AccountFeb 6, 2011
Gee...hard to believe there would be a level of distrust!
alanocuFeb 6, 2011
Oh, that poor, poor thang, Julie Assange. He's all upset cuz someone took a leak on him and released the police report about him raping a woman.
Poor Julie, he's just such a victim and so mistreated. It almost makes me want to cry.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
cosmicsurferFeb 6, 2011
Oh Alan, such a kind, justice loving soul...
Protector of all the down-trodden...
Now that you have tried, convicted and sentenced a guy to "rape" based on delusion, supposition, and a total lack of fact -
For a guy claiming to be a member of a group of one of the most oppressed of peoples, your empathy is amazing (or should I say total lack thereof).
It is one thing to be an honest idiot that will bravely claim your real issue, which is your fantasy that Julian Assange heads a group with which you find to be committing actions that are not in the interest of your beloved shadow government.
I could even have some respect for that admission (which I am sure you have ral concern but then one might hope that the image and person you project might be something one might wish to be proud) but instead you creep around the edges like a whining, gutless Iago, planting supposition and dark rumor into the ears of the willingly led. You try to under handed accusations based on self referencing and self perpetuating delusion...Projection And denial...two of your more endearing characteristics, as well as grotesque manipulation of the few facts that have been released. Those are very, very few.
Fact - 2 women after much pressure came to C.LAIM that Julian Assange is SAID to have agreed to coital relations but during the course of or after said intercourse something may or may not have arisen or arisen unprotected, therefore, as claimed by the 2 women, they were much afeared of impregnation or spread of disease (though this is still unclear)after the fact once discovered that said member unprotected was found to be unprotected either by inadequate cover with defective cover or by lack of cover which was not noticed until after the fact.
One of the two said claimants has now refused to follow through with any claim since she chose instead to run off to Palestine or other Middle Eastern country to further career with company that has strong ties to the CIA and has been employed more than once for the benefit of said governmental organization....
There is no proven fact as to whether or not there ever was such relationship with either, both or none of the aforementioned claimants and if there ever was, whether or not the occurrence of claimants description of events are even remotely true.
In fact, Assange and his attorneys have yet to be given the vast majority of information claimed to be held nor do we have a full understanding of what pressure has been placed on the accusers and the courts by the US government, its members and or agents of said government or organizations based in the US, who, along with other governments and their agents, has been known to work with that court on many other occasions to bring charges like this against individuals who were seen to be an embarrassment and./or threat to the diplomatic manipulations and the reputation of those governments.
Those, my l'il biased baby boy, are the facts as known.
Nothing more and nothng less...Everything else, tabloid fodder and supposition by those who have no life or wish they had one better....
Methinks you may actually straddle both camps
scout29cFeb 6, 2011
In the old world of journalism, the “Guardian” is airing dirty laundry. That’s what you do if you’re a trained, professional journalist. It’s an MSM thing.
The Wikileaker wants transparency in everything but news about himself, and if this “Guardian” piece is in any way true, he wants the power that information gives. Don’t need no stinking leak to see that.
The Wikileaks contained nothing new. They confirmed previously held beliefs and opinions as to what was actually happening. They are the results of the US government’s reaction to the complaint that agencies did not share information prior to 9/11, and forcing people to serve in a war that is becoming a running joke – and quite likely our next tragedy.
The news was the Wikileaks, and later the Wikileaker, and not any of the leaks involved.
MsBooty15Feb 6, 2011
unbelievable
chriscopywriterFeb 10, 2011
End the BS and Injustice!! Governments are for ALL, not the buddies desperately trying to control them!!