Submitted by
Users who Dugg This
DougCollins2011
12 Followers
Linda Dong
10 Followers
April Coggins
0 Followers
lightfallsup
1419 Followers
Kelly Shannon
1 Followers
bicolanoJan 8, 2011
FTV:
"Campaign rhetoric and war rhetoric have always been interchangeable for years."
Yes, but not to the heights it has reached these last few years. The rhetoric has become too threatening and borders on incitement. No matter what party or beliefs a politician may have, there is no justification for harm or violence to be ever directed at them, or even inferred.
I hope Congresswoman Giffords pulls through. From what I've read about her today, we need more politicians like her, a moderate centrist.
norman619Jan 9, 2011
There absolutely can be justification to try and kill some public/political figure but no such vile person exists today in our country's politics or public airwaves. We do not have a modern day version of Hitler around no matter how often the ignorant try to claim any given public figure is like Hitler.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
technopunditJan 9, 2011
Civil Wars are the Worst kind. And the bloodiest.
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson
I would willing risk my existence to defend the Constitution. Freedom can only be taken from my cold dead body.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
zirchxworldJan 10, 2011
worst? perhaps. bloodiest? what are you trying to mean by that?
spycatcherJan 9, 2011
What do you think about everyday violence? She is no better than any other person who has been a victim of a crime.
sanmanJan 9, 2011
Hopefully these poor victims of a pot-head loonie will make a speedy recovery.
It's really sad to see what pot-heads are capable of when they get their hands on firearms. Hopefully the pot-headed fringe will own up to the fact that one of their own committed this atrocity. Hopefully, they'll learn to take a harder look at themselves because of what's happened here. Pot skews your perception of reality, and takes you away from the real world.
Wake up and inhale some real life, rather than the artificial drug-induced stupor that you crave.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
laborerJan 9, 2011
All those god damned, no good, welfare usin, free lovin, pot smoking HOOLIGANS!!
Go get em grandpa.
theunlearnJan 9, 2011
you've made repeated references to this guy being a "pot-head loonie." Is there any basis in fact for it or are you just talking out of your ass to try to link this guy to something you morally object to?
sanmanJan 9, 2011
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/witness-he-was-just-firing.html
http://www.frumforum.com/did-pot-trigger-giffords-shooting
makushimirianJan 9, 2011
As a "pot-headed loonie" myself, I'd like to see your evidence that I am less capable of being a responsible member of society (and note that I'm not asking you to describe the clinically demostrable fact that cannabis exacerbates symptoms of schizophrenia sufferers, which is not the same thing as it making you crazy).
One of the reasons I enjoy smoking pot is that it puts me in a reflective mood, encouraging me to take a hard look at myself (as you suggest I should) and the world around me. This mood helps me - but is not necessary for - when I think about who I am, what I do, and how that affects the people around me and the world in which I live. It can often strongly increase my feelings of empathy.
I feel that it is as absurd to blame pot for this tragedy as it is to blame Palin, and I take great offense that you imply that I am capable of the same just because I enjoy smoking a particular plant.
I'm sure that you feel you're doing something good by denouncing pot-smokers - encouraging people to stay away from something that you believe is causing siginificant damage to the population - but it is my belief that your vilification of pot-smokers is unfounded, and hinders both the debate on the causes of violence, and the debate on drug use.
makushimirianJan 9, 2011
*significant*
hillsfarJan 9, 2011
I'm telling you liberals and libertarians and progressives:
Arm yourselves. Because the neo-cons are ALREADY armed for the coming conflict and banning guns will do nothing for you but only put you in harm's way.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
zenmastermojoJan 8, 2011
Sarah Palin's political action committee had this ad on their website. See image here: http://digg.com/news/politics/http_i_huffpost_com_gen_235408_sarah_palin_target_map_jpg
The SarahPAC ad recommends that supporters "target" Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) and 19 other members of Congress.
Within hours after the shooting,SarahPAC moved quickly to remove the gunsite map. Shame on you, Ms. Palin! Blood is on your hands! You should be prosecuted for inciting violence against a member of Congress.
cdw070Jan 9, 2011
A young woman in Arizona, Catie Parker, claimed on her Twitter feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
brewbeauJan 9, 2011
Well then. Case closed. Let's ignore all the more recent information provided by the shooter himself, that shows he's kind of all over the place, with an anarchistic tendency.
smotpokerJan 9, 2011
However, since she is from Arizona, chances are that she may have thought he was liberal for not hating Mexicans or not owning 300 guns.
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
Daily Kos also targeted Giffords.
jdenzerJan 9, 2011
But not with a clear crosshair on a map. Plus according to you and the right, nobody cares or even reads the daily kos. Remember they don't matter. But Palin is God like and everyone listens to her. She works for Fox, the only 'Trusted' News source w/ 100 Trillion viewers and the highest ratings in the history of television.
Now all of a sudden you want to make Daily Kos creditable and legit with actual readers to defend Palin.
How does using 'Daily Kos did it' defense excuse Palin and her lock and load crosshair map rhetoric?
You keep bringing that up in defense of Palin.
There have been many on the left who have been critical of Markos Moulitsas use of 'The American Taliban'. Yet nobody on the right has even said a peep about Palin's anti-government gun carrying, crosshair on maps rhetoric.
laborerJan 9, 2011
Why dont you stop being immature and use this as a time to cooperate with your fellow americans so that we can change this place. Make it so Gen X and Y have some hope of a career by the time they die.
We cant do that if we keep on alienating one another, increasing the likelihood of all out war between your fellow Americans. This isnt right. Stop the fanboyism.
jdenzerJan 9, 2011
fanboyism? WTF are you talking about we're not talking about xbox vs ps3? In case you haven't noticed quirk is not exactly a I agree with both the left and right.
And I am responding to her poor attempt at defending Palin, with a you do it to defense.
laborerJan 9, 2011
Party fanboyism you oblivious troglodyte. Stop fighting over trivial matters, and use the time to promote peace and cooperation in politics as Americans.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jdenzerJan 9, 2011
@laborer
Anti-Government rhetoric that can incite violence is not a trivial matter.
When you have politicians talking about 2nd amendment remedies and talk radio saying the same type of rhetoric.
Ask yourself what would the reaction from the left be if this violent was coming from Muslims and Muslims leaders in the country were talking about the blood of tyrant or putting crosshairs on maps of GOP member up for re-elction.
Basically that kind of rhetoric can have consequences. So stop acting like it is no big deal.
What more proof do you need?
laborerJan 9, 2011
I dont disagree with you. They are riot inciters. Dont give in to them. Dont feed fuel to their fire. When you alienate half of the country, we only make it more likely that this kind of event will happen again.
jdenzerJan 9, 2011
@laborer
I am not alienating half the country. I am only alienating those in the political spotlight that have influential power. If I am a digger spouting anti-government rhetoric, nobody really cares. But if I am someone like Palin of BEck, there are people who listen and might take that rhetoric seriously. Which is why it is important for them to be careful of such rhetoric. They need to take responsibility and help the nation. Single them out will hopefully make them realize the danger of such rhetoric. If Palin really loves this county she would issue some statement either admitting or apologizing for her rhetoric. Let those who listen to her realize that there is no place for violence. And sadly Palin will remain silent and just wait for this to go away. Why do you think she scrubbed her sight of the crosshair map.
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
"Plus according to you and the right, nobody cares or even reads the daily kos..."
You are quite incorrect. I have called Kos a hive of left-wing hate. I know that many liberals read the site. Under no circumstances have I ever said it didn't matter.
And I've never said Palin is a god. In fact, I've said, she'd never get my vote for candidate.
jdenzerJan 9, 2011
And how does any of this excuse Palin and much of talk radio anti-government rhetoric that can incite violence? How does daily kos use of the term 'bull eye' excuse thing like Palin crosshair map, Angle's '2nd amendment remedies', or Bachmann's 'want Minnesota residents armed and dangerous'?
Look I know you think that that people on the right and left are smart enough to know the difference. But what about those who are mentally ill, like this young person?
It is time for people like Palin to take responsibility for their rhetoric.
And you can keep grasping at straws trying to make the same connection w/ your daily kos example.
But I bet you anything that Palin, Angle, Bachmann and talk radio's rhetoric is far more dangerous than some daily kos entry of the term 'bull eye'
Like I said Palin needs to be responsible and speak out, but sadly she will remain silent and just frantically scrub any evidence of her rhetoric on the net.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dusanmalJan 9, 2011
Or is it sane conclusion that because murderer is Leftist AND Daily Kos ran an article saying she was “dead” to the Left just two days ago that he took instructions from Left Loons...
Where is "shame on you Daily Kos" blood is definitely on your hands?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
theunlearnJan 9, 2011
f**k off, with this bulls**t.
http://vocalminority.typepad.com/blog/2010/03/liberal-hypocrisy-guess-who-used-target-imagery-on-their-maps.html
It seems rather common for politically motivated groups to use crosshairs and targets to identify those opponents that occupy seats in contested areas. You're only pissed off about it now because it's a chance to take potshots at Palin.
jpfernandezJan 9, 2011
we all knew this day was coming with the hate talk coming from the republican party both on the radio and on tv.
readmymindJan 9, 2011
The nut-job that tried to justify this act based on Giffords' voting record only proves the point of those who point to right-wing intolerance and hate talk as inciting this kind of behavior. Only a very dangerous and insensitive person would make that kind of statement. For the rest of us, it's obvious which side of the political divide is more violent, and the tea bag crowd is the perfect embodiment. When you have this much anti-government hate being spewed over and over by the right, you're bound to get spillover. Constant war is another thing that desensitizes people to violence. The shooter, who is 22, has now lived with the killing of thousands of people, civilians and military alike, since he was a young kid. What do you expect?
laborerJan 9, 2011
All you do is alienate self described conservatives from a possible peace. This is not a way forward, nor is it to be sought. Please stop the party fanboyism, embrace all your fellow Americans, regardless of political persuasion, and work together to elect third party local candidates. This is the only way to change America peacefully, and will allow us to not have to worry about this sort of violence again.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
readmymindJan 9, 2011
I appreciate your point and apologize if it sounded like I was politicking. My tea party comment comes from direct experience with several of them in my area. One of them actually told me after Obama was elected that I should buy a gun for self protection because conservatives weren't going to stand for his liberal policies. Talk like that scares the hell out of me and I'm not sure it will be helpful to the body politic to simply embrace such people as good Americans and walk away. Good third party candidates make sense in theory, but some I've seen have been even more divisive and extreme. (ie. Lyndon LaRouche style). I do agree that people need to work together and look beyond politics.
laborerJan 9, 2011
Dont elect crazies. Elect sound third party candidates. Surely there is more to Americans than just democrat or republican, and so it should be in our countries legislation.
The reason the right is so angry is because they are poor too. The rural area of the united states is brutally poor. No one talks about it though. Everyone acts like only the cities are poor. Farmers are the most underpayed job in the US, despite these people being historically speaking the most productive people in the history of Earth (considering how many people their work feeds)
We need to stop blaming our poverty on each other, and see that the whole world wants to see us eat each other alive. Dont allow that to happen.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
readmy - I think locol is the Dilberto troll.
iriemeditationJan 9, 2011
When are we going to start holding the instigators accountable for prepping people to do such horrible things ?? Would she have been shot if Palin didn't draw crosshairs on her face ?? ARREST SARA PALIN!!! She was an accomplice to this event!!!!
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
Go back to Democratic Underground.
iriemeditationJan 9, 2011
i don't even know you're talking about LOL but it makes you look like a complete ass . . . do you really have nothing better to say, or for that matter, nothing better to do with your time ? you obviously lack any amount of intelligence or compassion and i honestly think you're out of your league commenting after me, you don't deserve to sit at the same table as me, i'd smack the sh!t out of you if you tried to enter my realm, so stfu. LOL
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
Yo, THREATS of violence are not cool.
chilidogsJan 9, 2011
Even if that were true it would be impossible to prove. I suspect that palin will pay politically and I hope that the right will wake up and realize that things like the liberal hunting license and talking about "2nd amendment solutions" are not responsible or acceptable.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=liberal+huntil+license&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=937
stallscribbleJan 9, 2011
Pointing fingers is useless. RIP to the families affected by this tragedy.
iriemeditationJan 9, 2011
yea, because, um, holding people accountable isn't worth it :o/ . . . huh ?
laborerJan 9, 2011
The only person to be held accountable is the shooter.
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568
From Daily Kos:
"Who to primary? Well, I'd argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I've bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis."
Giffords' name appears , then Kos adds:
"Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district. "Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sevenvtJan 9, 2011
It wasn't politically motivated, the guy is schizophrenic, he also killed a judge, and a 9 year old, maybe he hates 9 year olds and some site told him to.
iriemeditationJan 9, 2011
quirko is crazier than the shooter, pay him no mind.
laborerJan 9, 2011
quirk is a woman first off, second, this doesnt help. We need cooperation between fellow americans, not condescension and hate. Please.
jdenzerJan 9, 2011
pay her, I'm sure she is a female
technopunditJan 9, 2011
This was NOT a Random Massacre.
sevenvtJan 12, 2011
Shooting her was planned yes, the people that were present and shot afterwards are essentially random, or more specifically, coincidental. His mental problems are what make his motives pointless, he could've been anywhere and could have picked anyone. To believe that this is motivated politically would require someone of sound mind, yet to be proven, and if you read anything he writes and the obvious instability witnessed by classmates etc, the key component is not so much politics as it is pathos. Random would be the wrong assessment in any situation, everything is caused by something, but your response lacks the depth I think you imply and i think what you are implying is essentially wrong.
cyberprunesJan 10, 2011
agreed
iriemeditationJan 9, 2011
NEW DIGG SUCKS !!
maxamegalon2000Jan 9, 2011
Are you trying to imply that using the words "bulls eye" is equivalent to using an image of gun crosshairs and encouraging conservatives to "reload" in the face of adversity?
jdenzerJan 9, 2011
No she is just trying to either divert the topic or desperately defend Palin's violent anti-government rhetoric.
If Palin's crosshair map is no big deal, they Palin wouldn't have to remove it immediately, would she?
And if quirk is saying that daily kos is guilty of using the word 'bulls eye', then Palin is guilty of the crosshair map.
Sorry quirk you can have it both ways. You can't excuse Palin's actions and condemn the daily kos.
And I bet that the daily kos will apologize for their choice of words before Palin does.
Even Olbermann apologized for his poor choice of words, he said a while back.
cyberprunesJan 10, 2011
It's a big deal to her political career. She doesn't have to be responsible. Don't you know anything about politics? lol. All of politics is a game to alter reality in the minds of potential voters. So long as people believe X is responsible then X is responsible.
This is the nature of politics.
jdenzerJan 10, 2011
Yes I know this is the nature of politics. But when people start losing their lives, that is when we stop being cynical about it. And have our leaders be more responsible.
pharmaphoxJan 9, 2011
Some of you make me really sick, either by placing blame on whatever political target you hate, or by actually supporting this wacko and his violence. Place the blame where the blame is due. Saying that Palin or Kos caused this is ignorant and small-minded.
technopunditJan 9, 2011
I say let them answer for their actions in a Civil Trial.
jmewhite1Jan 9, 2011
very creepy
SPATIALGUYJan 9, 2011
Chilling!!
review4siteJan 9, 2011
Ha ha
nygenxerJan 9, 2011
This is what happens when you brainwash people with propaganda and then instruct them, "Don't retreat, instead RELOAD."
Palin, Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox "news" and the removal of the Fairness Doctrine from the public airwaves all share blame for these murders.
o76923Jan 9, 2011
If you believe the fairness doctrine would improve this situation, you don't understand what it actually said. It only required that broadcast news networks cover important stories in a manner that's not too biased. That means Fox News would be immune and they are allowed to present opinions however they want.
nygenxerJan 9, 2011
The Fairness Doctrine and the Equal Time Rule both promote the "fair and balanced" coverage which we do not currently have on the nation's television and radio broadcasts.
nygenxerJan 14, 2011
Waitaminute - did you write that Fox "news" is not too biased? Yes you did. Holy s**t, dude, you can't be serious!
o76923Jan 14, 2011
Of course fox news is biased. They just aren't a broadcast network, they are part of a cable our satellite package. The Fairness Doctrine only applies to terrestrial broadcasts.
nygenxerJan 14, 2011
We're obviously not discussing cable news networks but the four major commercial broadcast channels on television: CBS, ABC, NBC and FOX, from which FOX broadcasts "news" content on every local Fox station across the country that is clearly right wing propaganda.
(BTW, the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time rule also applied to radio broadcasts too.)
technopunditJan 9, 2011
If she was a Republican, they'd be blaming the Muslims.
arav07Jan 9, 2011
wow.
nconn360Jan 9, 2011
wow
thomasjosephslaJan 9, 2011
such a shame
jmunjrJan 9, 2011
Wow all this hate from the left is pretty insane... One serious act of violence against a Democrat by a complete loon and suddenly ever liberal out there is blaming the right and being very hateful about it. These nuts aren't setting a good example.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
chilidogsJan 9, 2011
Yeah this couldn't have anything to do with that could it?
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=liberal+huntil+license&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=937
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you, the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."
“Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office,’’ said Kelly’s campaign. “Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”
Show me anything even remotely comparable from Democratic candidates.
chilidogsJan 9, 2011
Sorry, link be broke. It was supposed to go to an image of the "liberal hunting license"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/rightwing-website-sells-s_b_214725.html
have this one too
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-progressive-movement-canc
lumberingoafJan 9, 2011
Hey, the conservatives... they love their guns.
chilidogsJan 9, 2011
loving guns and thinking that it is humorous to threaten other Americans with them are two different things.
theunlearnJan 9, 2011
You know this guy shot a conservative judge as well, right? A Bush appointee, no less.
jmunjrJan 10, 2011
Ummm, how did that have anything to do with it? Did the shooter express that was his motivation? I don't think so...
sexyteenagerJan 9, 2011
our society and political leaders expect pop stars and other public figures to act responsibly .... but campaign irresponsibly and cry freedom of speech ...... let's hope that one good thing can come out of this tragedy .... and that is that we can hold our politicians words to a higher level of responsibility ...
stevejinJan 9, 2011
good
whiteravenJan 9, 2011
A very common symbolic image conveying a well understood goal. That goal was to vote someone out of office. There was and is absolutely nothing wrong with this campaign. This terrible crime and tragedy had absolutely nothing to do with a little rhetoric. Crazy people commit crazy acts regardless of outside influences.
Let's focus on the victims and insuring we know for sure if there may have been anyone else involved instead of wasting time unrelated issues.
Closed AccountJan 9, 2011
"Let's focus on the victims..."
Translation: Let's not investigate the crime too deeply, because it's likely to turn out that the gunman was influenced by "Don't retreat, reload!", Sarah Palin's rifle scope style of "crosshairs" which "target[ed]" Giffords, and countless veiled and not-so-veiled threats of violence by the extreme right.
whiteravenJan 13, 2011
Nice of you you fail to quote the part where I said we need to insure we know for sure if anyone else was involved. Sounds a lot like an investigation, doesn't it, assh**E?!
jpfernandezJan 9, 2011
Sarah Palin Knows She's Responsible For This And She Could Care Less.
thudwhomperJan 10, 2011
Just from reading the comments in this thread, I can see that we are in for some dark, dark days ahead as a nation.
We have become a deeply divided nation, and a house divided against itself cannot stand. Gone is tolerance. Gone is compromise. Gone is doing what's right for the common good. The only thing left now is Us and Them.
The violence has started. We've been here before. We are regressing to our colonialist/cowboy past, a history full of bloodshed and destruction. Down this path lies no happiness for anyone, only pain and suffering for a long time.
Before we descend into full-scale rioting and anarchy, let me ask a simple question: Do we really need to go there?