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roguepirateApr 27, 2011
So do we get to see Trump's tax returns now?
bigjoedApr 27, 2011
I want to see the last ten years. TRUMP is a bigger flip flopper that GDUBYAH ever was.
davidg11Apr 27, 2011
What I find amusing is that TRUMP controls not only the media...but the president's actions.
The president of the USA succumbed to Trump's demands. That makes it clear, Obama is no leader. He is a follower.
With Trump, I see something I haven't seen in the whitehouse for quite some time:
Leadership.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hansolowApr 27, 2011
LOL. Good one.
maduraissaApr 28, 2011
See more! White house released digital photos copy of Mr.Obama Birth Certificate and Obama Report Today about his birth place controversy..
http://ow.ly/4IA9T
lumberingoafApr 27, 2011
You forgot the /s/
tehsilentcircusApr 27, 2011
that doesn't make even a lick of sense, I don't know where you crazies get these stupid comments...
zjbirdApr 28, 2011
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. Trump is a true leader. Have you see all of the businesses he's run into the ground?
prolikewhoaApr 27, 2011
Trump can now talk about how he uses bankruptcy to cut debts and leave other people holding the bag.
tdediggApr 27, 2011
Just like a Republican.
davidg11Apr 27, 2011
Yes he could. He could also talk about that with investment comes risk. And the investors knew the risks involved before Trump went bankrupt. Because if Trump's bankrupt ventures were instead successful, the investors would be making a large sums of money.
The thing is did Trump learn from going BK and become successful from the ashes of failure?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rjoplingApr 27, 2011
i guess not because he went bankrupt more than once. im also betting the "investors" didnt know everything that was going through Trumps mind at the time. he knew what he was doing and thats what REALLY scares me when he's thinking about running. he is the textbook definition of a scam artist.
jdenzerApr 27, 2011
Actually when you think about it. We can kind of thank Trump's bats**t birther talk to 'finally' settle this. But sadly the birthers won't stop.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
daimposterApr 27, 2011
that is not a reason to thank him.
Every future president and living presidents should now produce their long form birth certificate.
jdenzerApr 27, 2011
Well, I did mean 'thank him', like good job Trump. Personally I think it's sad that it had to come to this. And for those that say Obama brought it up himself, BS. This was brought on by the media and the American people, who hate him so much that they would not let this rest. Despite being presented with the truth.
insomniac8400Apr 27, 2011
Are you insane. This document is not extra proof. Both documents say "certificate of live birth" on them. They are both legally the same exact document.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jdenzerApr 27, 2011
Holy s**t, will the birther in you finally give it a rest. You got what you wanted and it's still not enough. Now you are just being sad and pathetic. What's next a signed statement by the doctor who delivered him, the nurses who helped, the orderly who discharged him, and the f**king janitor who cleaned the mess up?
insomniac8400Apr 27, 2011
Maybe you have down syndrome. But the point is that the document he released 2 years ago is his legal birth certificate. That is all anyone needs to show. This "long form" document is technically the same f**king document. He did not need to show it, logically it makes no sense to show both.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jdenzerApr 27, 2011
"This "long form" document is technically the same f**king document. "
That is what the birther were crying for, you dumbass.
"Maybe you have down syndrome.'
Careful, Palin might here you.
wpjmurrayApr 27, 2011
Downs Syndrome
ourcellardoorApr 28, 2011
I only have a Certificate of Live Birth. By your logic, am I not an American Citizen?
braddockApr 27, 2011
The Hawaii Department of Health who most people would believe is a lot more credible than you disagrees with your argument. The HDOH certified the document two days ago and the document also has more information than the original document released in 2008. How is this not extra proof given that 1. it contains more details about the birth and 2. the document is different in form and style from the 2008 document?
cyberprunesApr 28, 2011
It's not extra proof because all the proof one needed was given in the previous document. Seeing the doctors signature and seeing his father's race and birthplace are irrelevant as it is NOT needed. Look at a copy of your birth certificate, I guarantee it has no more information than Obama's "short" form cert. That form met all the criteria needed to prove citizenship. It's similar to what any American citizen would need. But noooo...the birthers need MORE proof than the govt. requires because they believed the bulls**t made up lies of "secret Kenyan militant Christian Muslim socialist" So they demanded to see the "long" form which no other candidate was called upon to show.
shoelessschippaApr 28, 2011
Yeah I just looked at my Birth Certificate...its says "Certificate of Live Birth." So im not quite sure what your problem is with it? You were wrong, get over it...go vote in 2012, thats all I can say about that!
crunchdiggApr 27, 2011
only if he's a man of his word
micahcApr 27, 2011
Or hairline?
luvlethalwhitesApr 28, 2011
Can I just HAVE his tax return?
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
As has been shown time and time again, this will mean absolutely nothing. Conspiracy theorists don't want evidence. They want scapegoats, fear, and excuses. They'll just move the goalposts again. Instead of "How come he won't release his birth certificate?" it'll be "How come it took him SO LONG took release his birth certificate?"
Unfortunately, this is very much like giving into the demands of a terrorist. I don't think releasing the certificate at this point does anything but (in their own minds) legitimize the Birthers. It's similar to a Richard Dawkins refusing to do live debates with well-known Creationists. Once you respond to them, you give them the false sense of legitimacy, even if they're completely bonkers and living outside of reality.
Because really, as of yesterday, the only people who questioned Obama's citizenship were the crazy Birthers. The average person really didn't have any question about it. You already had to be living in a dreamworld to press the Birther issue before this, so why would we expect them to suddenly become sane now?
Oh well. Thanks for proving (again) what we already knew, Mr. President. Unfortunately, it will never be enough for the crazies, so maybe you should stop trying to please them.
madmike1Apr 27, 2011
Very true! Every single word!
trusixApr 27, 2011
Right, but you really think this will not be put to rest as far as the main stream media goes? I think it will. Trump probably won't say much else about it besides trying to take credit for it.
I95guyApr 27, 2011
But it was because of Trump that this finally came out. If he never got up on his soapbox and got practically every single news agency in the world talking about these past 6 weeks this would never have came to fruition. Thank you Donald for finally putting the stupid birther issue to rest. Now you can go ahead and form that exploratory committee.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
trusixApr 27, 2011
Well when I said trying, I said it because a lot of people won't concede it. That is where pessimism is matched by skepticism on the opposing side. I'll admit that if Trump didn't bring this up again, it would have never happened.
But, I already see ignorant people on Facebook saying "What now Trump, you stupid teabagger". When Trump did say he'll be happy when it's released so it doesn't have to be discussed anymore. However, people seem to be expecting a rebuttal from him on it? It's just selective hearing and/or pessimism. Someone did try to bait Trump already on the authenticity question today, he said "I'm not one to decide that", which is the right answer as far as I'm concerned.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diefreeApr 27, 2011
Except you know Obama already released the same short form EVERYONE from Hawaii gets. But don't let facts get in the way of the pity party. Trump made himself look like the moron he is.
I95guyApr 27, 2011
Are you saying Obama re-released the same exact thing? Then what the hell is everyone celebrating about?
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
Obama originally released the Certificate of Live Birth, which is the document the state of Hawaii releases as its official proof of birth for its citizens. This was not enough for the Birthers, who decided that the long form birth certificate (which the state has a policy of NOT releasing copies of) was the only one that really counts, even though that was something they just made up.
So basically Obama gave them the proof, they decided it wasn't real, and now he's showing them another version of the same proof.
Because Birthers are like the DMV, after all. They require two forms of ID before they'll believe you.
torsionApr 27, 2011
I went to a liquor store that I had been going to for years than one day the clerk decided to ask me for ID. He realized I had just turned 21 a few weeks prior yet had been going there for years, he said next time he wanted me to bring two forms of ID or I wouldn't get serviced.
I flipped s**t on him.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
shark72Apr 27, 2011
@i95guy:
"Are you saying Obama re-released the same exact thing?"
Effectively speaking, yes. That's the entire point: the computer-generated copy released in 2008 was adequate proof. All the rest has been fabrication on behalf of the birthers. Whenever you see a birther stating that a computer-generated certified copy from the state is insufficient for, say, enrolling their kid in little league or getting a dog license, they are LYING, plain and simple.
"Then what the hell is everyone celebrating about?"
I don't see a lot of celebrating. Lots of birthers are already calling it a forgery or at least casting doubts on its authenticity, and the rest are busy attaching wheels to the goalposts.
Back in the world of the sane, a few of us are having some laughs at the expense of the birthers, but a lot of us know that ultimately it won't make a difference. Obama has effectively capitulated to the craziest, least mentally sound portion of the fringe.
I'll make a bet with you right now: when they do another "Do you think our president was born in the US?" poll a month from now, the results will be very much the same.
diefreeApr 27, 2011
@I95guy I am hoping you are not a birther and just misinformed, which is fine. Obama released the COLB(short form birth certificate) that EVERYONE from Hawaii gets when they request their birth certificate, same everyone has.
I95guyApr 27, 2011
@diefree Nope not a birther. Just trying to understand both sides the best I can. Clearly the birther's don't have it all together upstairs.
Now that my stance is officially out of the way, it seems Trump could have capitalized on this regardless the outcome. It's like a game of chess he's playing here. I see it's unpopular to say but it's the truth. Here's why.
Say for s**ts and giggles Obama wasn't a US Citizen, Trump obviously would have been vindicated because of all his efforts these past 6 weeks. Since it's not true he can now go the "I was just trying to appease my voter base because that's what good politicians do, my base had legitimate questions so I got the answers for them, blah blah blah route".
Kinda long winded but I know you get my point. I haven't seen him on the news yet today but I'm sure he will make this sort of announcement when he gets the chance. He kinda has to now to save face (if that's even possible, lol). Trump knows Americans have a very short attention span so I doubt this will have little effect as the election is still so far away.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diefreeApr 28, 2011
Actually I think this shows his lack of intelligence and will hurt him. It will destroy what little credibility he had.
crunchdiggApr 27, 2011
well, first he's got some tax forms to release. He says he'd love to.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/19/us-campaign-trump-return-idUSTRE73I5I520110419
note to DT: make sure you don't do something low resolution, or try to blank any parts out, including the back sides. You *are* a man of your word, right?
jbellaApr 27, 2011
@I95guy,
You are right. Trump did get him to do it. And it's because back when it was just the lunatic fringe calling for it, I agree the best course of action was to not legitimize them by acceding to their demands.
The problem is, like it or not, Trump represents a more mainstream voice. When he started clamoring for it it turned from a fringe issue brought up by people wearing tin-foil hats.. to a mainstream issue. It's sad, and the really sad part is that this will probably not really change a lot of opinions. Tomorrow top digg headline will be people claiming the document is forged.
When you release an official state document confirming your birth date/place, AND numerous elected officials confirm that they have personally seen the original document and that it is valid, AND newspaper clippings announcing his birth are found.. it's insulting that this is not enough proof of his eligibility to be president. No other president has ever had to produce more documentation. (In fact, I would venture to say that very few presidential nominees have ever even had to provide any kind of birth certificate)
publiclurkerApr 27, 2011
I don't know what's sadder, that these bigoted idiots thought that they had some actual reason to not consider Obama a legitimate president or that Trump is considered a mainstream candidate.
lumberingoafApr 27, 2011
Hey, this is a sad country. Sadder still, this won't even do it for some of birthers.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
at least maybe this retarded issue will finally stop showing up on the front page of digg every 5 minutes.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Thats because Trump does get credit for it
Even Hillary could not get the Birth Certificate
Trump accomplished exactly what he wanted to do.
4bitApr 27, 2011
They couldn't get it because Hawaii doesn't usually release them. This is a special case, and in essence, had to break the rules of Hawaii because people couldn't accept overwhelming evidence as 'enough'.
ermac88Apr 27, 2011
Trump accomplished exactly what he wanted to do.
-Rating for the Apprentice and get the dumb dumbs to watch his show
CharmeuseApr 27, 2011
I don't think it's so much Conspiracy theorists as it is uneducated people who don't have the intelligence to determine what is true or false.
michrechApr 27, 2011
People like KingBarry *is*, after all, why Fox "News" is so popular...
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
"I don't think it's so much Conspiracy theorists as it is uneducated people who don't have the intelligence to determine what is true or false."
Also known as Conspiracy Theorists.
moo083Apr 27, 2011
Trump was getting lots of extra press for pushing this birther thing. I don't think he can do that now. I think this was a reelection strategy on the part of the president. If this were 4 years from now and he wasn't running for reelection, I don't think it would have been released.
schmibApr 27, 2011
Agreed. You don't change the rules of the village to suit the village idiots, even if they are being loud, drunk, and obnoxious.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
This document, which is pixelated around all the vital names and dates, is proof that Obama is NOT eligible. The Constitution says a president must be NATURAL born, not NATIVE born. There is a difference and the difference is obvious, to be "natural born" BOTH parents must be citizens of the US and legally able to transfer citizenship to their child. Obama's mother was a minor at the time and unable to transfer citizenship. His father was Kenyan born, making Obama NOT, in ANY WAY , legally eligible to be POTUS.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Can you cite a credible legal interpretation of this particular bit of constitutational law you are claiming to understand? There was never any doubt that the President's father was foreign born...it seems to me that this would have stopped him from getting onto the ballot back in 2007.
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
He can't, because he just made that up. There are several Supreme Court rulings that say just the opposite. Basically, as long as you were physically born in the United States while your parents had a permanent residence (they do not have to be citizens) there, then you are a natural born citizen..
This is the relevant case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark and it was specifically referenced by the Indiana Court of Appeals when it dismissed a case attempting to claim Obama was ineligible.
So every legal interpretation thus far has been that as long as you are born on US soil to parents living in the United States, you are a natural born citizen.
I do predict this is going to be the new Birther argument though. Somehow the Indiana Court of Appeals doesn't know what it's talking about, but a bunch of crazy Birthers do.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
The document that is alleged to be Obama's long form birth certifcate EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS RIGHT ON IT "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH", and is obviously a FAKE; it is pixelated around all the vital names and dates, and has been layered and photo-shopped - is proof that Obama is NOT eligible. Why didn't Obama release his 'LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE'? Now, for the record, Hawaii releases the LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATES.
The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
The Constitution says a president must be NATURAL born, not NATIVE born. There is a difference and the difference is obvious, to be "natural born" BOTH parents must be citizens of the US and legally able to transfer citizenship to their child.
The Constitution says NATURAL born for a reason, because if it meant NATIVE born, it would have used just that wording, 'native.' It didn't for a reason. The reason is that not just being born IN AMERICA is enough to qualify a person to be eligible to be POTUS. One must have been born in the United States and BOTH of his parents. Legally and technically, only the man claiming to be "Barack Obama II" meets this requirement!
Obama's mother was a minor at the time and unable to transfer citizenship. His father was Kenyan born, making Obama NOT, in ANY WAY , legally eligible to be POTUS.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
Yeah, none of what you just said is actually true. I assume you're making the claim that the Indiana Court of Appeals dismissed the case against Obama because they're all part of the conspiracy, right?
Cause it certainly can't be that a judge, a LEGAL EXPERT, would think that your arguments are complete nonsense that you just pulled out of thin air.
Unregistered_CowardApr 27, 2011
Do you think they'd bother to Photoshop an exsting document when it would be just as easy to create one from scratch?
4bitApr 27, 2011
Not going to even argue most of this, but a quick glance at the certificate in question, puts his mom at age 18. Not a minor.
Now, if you're not even going to look at the damn thing when he breaks the rules to show it to you, then you really have no credibility, and need to shut up until you know what you're talking about.
caramba421Apr 28, 2011
Yeah, obviously "Natural Born" means we can never have a President who was delivered by c-section.
I mean, you don't want another Caesar, do you?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Try reading some actual laws and court cases. Your own personal interpretation of the US constitution (which conflicts with the court's) has no legal weight.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson were Supreme Court decisions too... this does not make them moral or honest decisions in any way, shape or form, it just makes them convenient and legal,,,, BUT WRONG!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
al3efromanApr 27, 2011
A couple of points and one question:
- Dred Scott was undone by fixing the Constitution after the Civil War. You should look up the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. This is a great example of using Constitutional mechanisms to fix the Constitution.
-Plessy is a little different, but it's fate was sealed with Brown v. Board of Education.
-Are you proposing that your gut instinct is a better way to interpret the Constitution? You keep using the term "obvious" Your statements are anything but and your Constitutional interpretation is woefully out of sync with currently accepted case law. Dred Scott and Plessy have nothing to do with this. They are excellent cautionary tales regarding the judiciary, but also excellent examples of how our Republic can be "self-healing" without relying solely on your interpretation of our laws.
Seriously, your point reads like that of a 9th grader with poor Social Studies grades who only listened to part of the story.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
You purposely misunderstand my point which was simply that Supreme Court decisions are not always the right moral decisions and Dred Scott and Plessy are just two examples. Of course they were overturned, who doesn't know that?
What makes you think that today's Supreme Court decisions are all perfect and moral? They are all appointed political hacks and their decisions are based on pay back.
Just because something is legal doesn't automatically make it moral, ie. slavery or segregation. Just because the Supreme Court makes a decision, doesn't automatically make it moral. Legal is not always or automatically moral. You knew that, but you pretend you didn't.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
caramba421Apr 28, 2011
"Just because something is legal doesn't automatically make it moral, ie. slavery or segregation. Just because the Supreme Court makes a decision, doesn't automatically make it moral."
You have unintentionally betrayed your actual feelings on the matter.
At first you started with "it is illegal for him to be president because x,y,z."
Then when that was shown to be incorrect, you counter with "well, what is legal is not always moral."
The upshot here is that you somehow think that it's not *moral* for someone who is mixed-race to be president.
I think we just got to the bottom of the birther mentality.
kaptainsteveApr 30, 2011
Digg is unbelievable, you make a simple point and then people purposely misunderstand it and call you stoopid. It happens every time.
The point I tried to make about Supreme Court decisions are that they are often bad. Sure Dred Scott and Plessy were later fixed (and this didn't help Dred Scott any), but they were terrible, inconsistent and completely political/agenda driven decisions and they were NOT "interpretations" of the Constitution, they were Orwellian horse-sh*t nevertheless, and that's my point.
Read "Men In Black" by Mark Levin. He cites countless examples of inconsistent Supreme Court decisions. He also devotes the 2nd (I think) chapter of the book citing example of example of completely incompetent and very often insane justices on serving on the bench.
hydianApr 27, 2011
You have a funny way of defining "Natural Born" that doesn't agree with the history of the term, case law, the founders, or the Constitution.
A "Natural Born" citizen is someone who is granted citizenship upon birth. Taken at face value, that would include anyone with at least one US citizen parent no matter where they were born as well as anyone born in the US no matter what nationality their parents were unless they were diplomats (and a couple of other exceptions.)
Citizenship is also not "transferred". You either qualify or you don't. The parent being a minor would have no bearing on it.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
Someone granted citizen ship upon birth is not a natural born citizen. That is a NATIVE born citizen and there is a BIG distinction which is exactly why the framers used the word NATURAL BORN instead of NATIVE BORN in the Constitution.
It's Orwellian, like a scene from Animal farm or 1984, how this term has been appropriated and changed for convenience. But, not matter what is is, it sure is DISHONEST and everyone knows this.
NATIVE BORN IS NOT THE SAME AS NATURAL BORN, PERIOD!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
UncleTogieApr 27, 2011
Unless you have some sort of *established* legal precedent that you're referring to, you're blowing smoke up our wazoos.
Hint: "Because I want it to be that way!" is not an established precedent.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
The point I tried to make is rational and logically flows. That point was if the framers had wanted to say the President needs to be "NATIVE BORN," then they would have said exactly that. You, I and everyone knows this. But, they chose "NATURAL BORN" instead because it had a different meaning. Everyone knows this too. Pretending like we don't know that there is a distinction between these two phrases is just blatant posturing.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
znineApr 28, 2011
Quite the opposite actually.
http://blogs.forbes.com/danielfreedman/2011/04/12/romney-to-trump-obama-doesnt-need-a-birth-certificate
jbarker6Apr 27, 2011
9/11 theorists anyone? perhaps the birthers and the other lunatics are the same crowd?
ajh16Apr 27, 2011
It won't be enough for the main backers of the birther claims, but for many who saw the lack of being willing to produce the document as suspicious, it will be enough. Sure Hawaii doesn't normally release it, but it could understandably seem hard to take that if the President asked for it, they wouldn't be able to make it happen. People tend to be distrustful of a lack of cooperation (even perceived) far more than they are distrustful of outright manipulation, so for many it will be enough.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
He held back the birth certificate for a reason. What that reason can be is only speculation. It could be that he knows the difference between 'native born' and natural born' and was scared to release actual proof he was not natural born. Or, it could be that there are inconsistencies between what's on his birth certificate and what's on other documents like passports he used to go to Pakistan in '81 or documents he used to get financial aid with for college.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
4bitApr 27, 2011
He didn't hold it back. Hawaii did. When he asked for his BC they sent him the COLB, the same anyone born in Hawaii would get.
So, if you're going to make accusations, at least base them in fact.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
and to all those who spout crap about the Supreme Court says this or that, well, the Supreme Court defended slavery and segregation in the South for years with numerous stupid and completely unconstitutional rulings.
The Constitution is clear on the qualifications for eligibility, and it did not say the President must be NATIVE born. It said NATURAL BORN which clearly meant at the time that both the mother AND the father be of American birth.
If you think or believe otherwise, that's fine, but that's your incorrect interpretation of convenience, and the Supreme Court has been known to do the same thing, interpret the Constitution any way that suits it.
Thurgood Marshall once said, we make the law we feel is right, and let the law catch up later. What a traitor to the Constitution he was.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
asielenApr 27, 2011
You sir, are an idiot.
Proof:
http://www.examiner.com/progressive-in-san-francisco/obama-is-the-seventh-president-with-a-foreign-born-parent
I guess Thomas Jefferson shouldn't have been president.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
@kaptainsteve:
"...It said NATURAL BORN which clearly meant at the time that both the mother AND the father be of American birth..."
Where does it "clearly" say that? I certainly can't find it in MY copy of the Constitution. And I can't find it in any laws or court decisions. So, why do you think that only someone with two American Citizen parents can, themselves, be a Natural-Born Citizen?
And what about the officials who certified the Presidencies of Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson and Hoover? Or are you saying you somehow know more than they did?
4bitApr 28, 2011
What's more interesting is I didn't even MENTION the supreme court.
But lets talk about the Constitution, the 4th amendment left it up to the states. Which means if Hawaii says he is, he is.
If you don't want to leave it up to the states, you can wait for the 14th amendment, which also makes him a natural born citizen.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
This makes his mother a citizen, regardless of how long she was in the US, and puts him in US territory for the same thing.
Yes, originally was meant to be passed on from father to son, but with equal rights, has been amended to include either parent.
So location, and lineage, make him a natural born citizen.
Enjoy.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
P.S.
I love how YOU claim the ability to interpret the Constitution better than people who do nothing but look it over all day every day.
Especially when it was the Constitution itself that gave them the power, not you, to do so.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
4bit says; "Not going to even argue most of this, but a quick glance at the certificate in question, puts his mom at age 18. Not a minor."
Wrong-at the time and place, Hawaii in 1961, 18 was a minor.
and...
It was OBAMA who didn't release it as he is the only one who LEGALLY can give permission.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kaptainsteveApr 27, 2011
asielen, you need to re-read the Constitution. Especially this clause "or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution." This qualified Jefferson.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
4bitApr 28, 2011
Then we can go a different direction. She MARRIED his father, before the birth, making him a citizen too.
Once married, she becomes emancipated, and not a minor.
4bitApr 28, 2011
And Obama had no means of asking for it to be released, since there was no form or method of releasing it in Hawaii's system.
What is so hard to grasp about that.
I can order anything I want from Burger King, but if they lock the doors, it's not my fault that I can't bring you your Whopper.
diggmepiggApr 27, 2011
I think it will at least be enough to stop the politicians who want to get elected for anything.
zirchxworldApr 27, 2011
people do this with every president though, just like how G.W. Bush 'didn't actually win the election in 2000'. there will always be some reason the current president is illegitimate.
rgb86Apr 28, 2011
Except the argument with Bush is that he didn't win the popular vote--which he didn't--but we elect by the electoral college, and not the popular vote, so it's legitimate, but still wrong.
Totally different situation from completely making up bulls**t about a person not being a citizen despite it being proven 3 years ago.
barackalypseApr 28, 2011
Sorry to disappoint you, all I wanted to see was this document. Now I've seen it. All that maybe remains to be seen is if there are any secrets in it made him spend all this time trying to keep it from being released.
Closed AccountApr 28, 2011
whoa there steven novella! Logical fallacies, sanity and a punch to the face to conspiracy theorists, it must be you!
Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree.
thundersnakeApr 28, 2011
Pfft whatever dude. Now the White House releases a .pdf document and it opens in Adobe Illustrator in layers so you can select/deselect dates turning them off and on and stuff it doesn't make me 'crazy', it makes me what to know wtf is up. If I uploaded my birth certificate is sure as sh*t wouldn't be in layers that turned on and off.
wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=Pt7oi2qfxlY
chongqingkingApr 28, 2011
+211 diggs... it's nice to see the sane are finally reclaiming the Diggsylum
loopbizApr 28, 2011
Forgotten Truth: Hillary Clinton Mother of 'Birther' Movement!
http://newsblaze.com/story/20091007152137lill.nb/topstory.html
kaptainsteveMay 7, 2011
There are eligibility requirements to be POTUS, and they must adhered to. Even ObamaMessiah, has to PROVE he is eligble, or any other candidate. The question is not whether he was NATIVE born, it's whether he was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The Constitution uses the term "natural born citizen" because it didn't mean "native born." There is a difference, and I really believe EVERYONE knows this, except the Obama-faithful pretend they don't.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
So, how long before the WND crowd finds something "suspicious" and declares it a forgery?
I'm putting the over/under at 90 minutes.
v3n0mApr 27, 2011
Well, the Mother's Mailing Address looks like it was 'shopped out...
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
It could have been redacted so they don't wind up plastering some random family's home address all over the news.
entroperApr 27, 2011
I'll take "under".
kyzzyxxApr 27, 2011
90 minutes? That's generous. I say -90 minutes.
jhbarrApr 27, 2011
Done http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/what-it-says-fox.png
shark72Apr 27, 2011
And:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/orly_taitz_obamas_long-form_birth_certificate_should_say_negro_not_african.php?ref=fpb
diggduggjoeApr 27, 2011
Though we should investigate and not take the document blindly, I find Taitz' argument to be invalid. I am sure Barack Sr was very proud of his African heritage and Obama's mother would have answered that question as African, not negro. Senior Obama was an African, not a black American.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
stevekratzApr 27, 2011
Ah, so there's the proof - Not natural born since only one parent was American. Thanks!
jhbarrApr 27, 2011
Two words: Andrew Jackson.
Your only proving your idiocy.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Please cite a court case or law to back up this definition.
publiclurkerApr 27, 2011
Somehow I think the word Taitz wanted to see was not Negro but her favorite N word.
rgb86Apr 27, 2011
Also, Trump's already saying that this new document needs to be authenticated:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/donald-trump-obama-birth-_n_854267.html
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Casually suggesting the President of the United States forged a legal document to perpetuate a massive conspiracy. If he's going to call the man a liar, come out and say it. Don't subtly imply it like a coward.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Many people saw past the birth certificate and didn't care whether or not he was born in the USA, because there's a far more solid reason why he can't hold office. Obama loves that people focus on his birth certificate, because it distracts from the real discrepancy.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
notice...
"or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"
It was specifically worded that way. The grandfather provision of the "natural born Citizen" clause provided an exception to the "natural born" requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. (The first several Presidents prior to Martin van Buren as well as potential Presidential candidates such as Alexander Hamilton were born as British subjects in British America before the American Revolution and this grandfather clause would cover them.
BUT to be a natural born citizen, BOTH of your parents need to be born in the USA, regardless of where you were born. Obviously, obama's father was not born in the USA. Therefore, obama is NOT a natural born citizen, he's classified as a 'born citizen'. The 'natural' part comes from both parents being american citizens. This is not a twisting of the constitution, this is the EXACT interpretation and the ONLY interpretation of it.
The constitution was created with hundreds of years of history in mind, meaning they knew anything other than a person born to two citizens could be an issue, since their allegiances and ideals could be derived from that of another country, which could allow the ideals of another country engrained into them, to subvert the will of the people. It's not different than if a born chinese citizen became president and started instituting ideals from china against the will of the american people.
This was all put there to protect american society and politics from outside influence.
You may not want to accept it, just like the birthers don't want to accept his birth certificate. So in reality, not accepting THIS truth, makes you look as ignorant and blind as the birthers look to you. Make no mistake, obama is not eligible for the office of president, period. You can't pick and choose with the constitution, otherwise you might as well throw the whole thing out.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
"...BUT to be a natural born citizen, BOTH of your parents need to be born in the USA..."
That's not what the law says. There is NO legal difference between "Citizen at Birth" and "Natural-Born Citizen."
If I am wrong, please provide the relevant statute or court decision.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
the relevant information is the constitution itself, higher than any court decision.
citizen, born citizen, naturalized citizen, and natural born citizen are all distinctly DIFFERENT, and the constitution specifically and on purpose uses the term 'natural born citizen'.
a natural born citizen is a person born to two citizens of the USA, no if's and's or but's, period. That should end the discussion right there, but like the birthers, you're just as easy to cast aside what goes against your argument, even if its the damn constitution, you know.... that thing that gave you rights.
You can not pick and choose what parts of the constitution you want to follow or not to suit your own agenda. obama's daughters are however, eligible to be presidents - but obama is not, never has been, and never will be. even if we changed the constitution, he wouldn't be grandfathered in because it doesn't work like that.
Saying this is wrong is like saying the right to free speech is invalid.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
"...a natural born citizen is a person born to two citizens of the USA, no if's and's or but's, period..."
Once again: Where does it say that in the Constitution?
ANSWER: Nowhere. You're making stuff up.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
the definition of natural born citizen is a person born to two citizens of a country. the constitution specifically uses 'natural born citizen', not just 'citizen', or 'born citizen'. the constitution is not a dictionary, do you see it defining other words? no, because the meaning of the term 'natural born citizen' was already established at the time.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jhbarrApr 27, 2011
@unstoppable Please look up Andrew Jackson
Jackson was born on March 15, 1767. His parents were Presbyterian Scotch-Irish colonists Andrew and Elizabeth Hutchinson Jackson, who had emigrated from Ireland two years earlier.
more recently:
Hoover's mother, Hulda Minthorn Hoover, was born in Norwich, Ontario, Canada
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
@unstoppable
First you said that your bizarre definition of "Natural-Born Citizen" was in the Constitution itself.
Now you admit that it's not in there, but then say that it was "established." By who? Where is the law or court decision that validates YOUR interpretation, as opposed to (given the numerous Presidents who were children of immigrants) 220+ years of precedent?
jhbarrApr 27, 2011
Here's the actual law: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Unstoppable, you need to cite this. Your word is simply not enough.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
even jhbarr's link slaps you all down.
it contains..
"Any one born OUTSIDE the United States, BOTH of whose PARENTS are CITIZENS of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S."
"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the OTHER parent is a U.S. national"
"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)"
The last one is the most important, since US Law very clearly stipulates:
"If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."
Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. citizen for more than 10 years, only 2 of them were after age 16. She would have to of been at least 21 before she could have a child with an alien, at best he could have only gotten 'naturalized' citizenship, which still disqualifies you for president.
when you look at it, obama is pretty much disqualified in every law at every angle that defines a non natural born citizen. every stipulation says he does not qualify for president. these aren't technicalities you can overlook and brush aside carelessly - but you will probably do it any way because it's easier to believe what you want than understanding the truth.
I honestly don't care whether obama is president or not, and I didn't care for the other candidates as well. I only seek the facts and truth, and here they are. this is how it is. deal with it and adjust to accept the truth or keep deluding yourselves.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
@unstoppable:
Everything you cited referred to people born OUTSIDE the United States. Obama, on the other hand, was born in Hawaii, which is INSIDE the United States.
The relevant portions:
"Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States"
And further down:
"Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President."
There you go. Obama is a Natural-Born Citizen, and thus eligible to be President, etc.
entroperApr 27, 2011
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
citizen, born citizen, naturalized citizen, and natural born citizen are all distinctly DIFFERENT.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
Wrong. There is NO legal difference between "Citizen at Birth" and "Natural Born Citizen." None.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
why? because you say so? because you don't want it to be true because it crushes your entire argument? law says different. there is no difference at all in that they aren't treated differently or receive different government attention or help, but when it comes to president - the difference is clearly stated in the constitution otherwise they would have just said 'citizen' or 'born citizen' instead of 'natural born citizen' and saved a few lines of writing. you are denying what is right in front of you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
@unstoppable:
Wrong again. I have read the Constitution, front to back, several times. NOWHERE does it state that a "Natural Born Citizen" has to have two citizen parents. It simply does not say that.
If I am wrong, please provide the relevant Article, Section and Clause.
caramba421Apr 28, 2011
"why? because you say so?"
No, because the Supreme Court, who unlike you is the authority on the interpretation of the Constitution, has said so on many occasions.
STFU.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Your word means nothing, unstoppable. You need to cite this.
jagedlionApr 27, 2011
No, only the president himself must be born in the US.
Example: James Buchanan's parents emigrated from Ireland (just the first I count find)
mredofcourseApr 27, 2011
Add to the list:
Chester Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
@unstoppableintellect,
Where do you see any case that challenged the interpretation of this line in the constitution and how did the courts rule?
For future reference, you can't correctly say, "that's the exact interpretation" unless the courts have actually ruled that. Apparently the courts haven't said that as we keep having presidents that conflict with that interpretation OF YOURS.
jhbarrApr 27, 2011
Both Andrew Jackson's parents emigrated two years before he was born.
mredofcourseApr 27, 2011
Yes, but Andrew Jackson was born 10 years before the adoption of the US Constitution and was a citizen at the time. Therefore, he also qualifies under the clause "Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution".
Sure, he qualifies anyway just as the other 5 presidents, but it clarifies the argument to leave him off the list.
jhbarrApr 27, 2011
True, but the law clarifies it as well. http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html but that will not convince them either.
wpjmurrayApr 27, 2011
Under your definition of natural born citizen, Trump would not be eligible to be President; his mother was born in Scotland.
tsuruchibrianApr 27, 2011
Or just cherry pick something interesting like...
It says right on his birth certificate:
"11. Birthplace (Island, State or Foreign Country): Kenya, East Africa"
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
It's fairly common knowledge his father was born in Kenya.
tsuruchibrianApr 27, 2011
yeah but i was not going to mention that section 11. was for his father. I was going to allow others to infer that this section was for Barack Obama himself.
paulbsaApr 27, 2011
Just ask Dan Rather about how quickly the internet can uncover a falsified document. Although, with 2+ years to fake this one, they probably paid closer attention to their font choices. lolComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ydennek07Apr 28, 2011
well, im not exactly saying "forgery" and im happy for you obama lovers as u guys get more pissed off at the birthers than the birthers are at the president...
but i must ask, why is the left not flush, while the right side is flush....it seriously does not look like its any official document to me...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
robertwrightApr 27, 2011
It's funny how Donald Trump is on TV Taking Credit!!
janinewallaceApr 27, 2011
that is funny, especially when this document was released during the primaries
ibdilbertApr 27, 2011
No, I disagree, the one he produced today looks to be real unlike the one we saw during the primaries. But one does have to ask themselves if it took him all this time to produce a simple birth certificate, how long will it take for him to fix the economy?!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thatmarioloverApr 27, 2011
As long as the Republicans fight him at every turn.
Schweppesale2Apr 27, 2011
never
AnonanimalApr 27, 2011
OBAMA SPENT MILLIONS COVERING UP THE LONGER BUT LESS OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE PROVING HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. WHAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AM I AN IDIOT?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
aronwyrthApr 27, 2011
YES.
torrangeApr 27, 2011
Millions, please provide a valid citation
jeffshaughtApr 27, 2011
In a word: yes'm
ibdilbertApr 27, 2011
Nope, your not an idiot, just one of few whom can think for themselves.
jeffshaughtApr 27, 2011
It's you're, not your. I guess I'm just one of the few whom can spell correctly in this thread.
effyochickenApr 27, 2011
The ones who can think for themselves logically came to the conclusion that he was a natural born citizen and thought this controversy was hogwash long ago. Those logical citizens were right and you were wrong.
Feel better?
saucygitaristakApr 27, 2011
jeffshaught: I know you think you're very smart but "whom" is used only as an indirect object. The word "who" would have been grammatically correct. Jerk.
ibdilbertApr 27, 2011
Actually I still feel I am right, I have always felt he was US born, you just made an incorrect asumption that I felt other wise based upon praising someone for thinking on their own. As for feeling better, I felt great to begin with.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jeffshaughtApr 28, 2011
@saucygitaristak: I am very aware of the correct pronoun that should have been used. If you'll notice though, the comment I was replying to incorrectly used "whom" and I was making a point of repeating it just to show it's absurity. You were right though on the fact that I think I'm very smart. If I wasn't, I'd be joining the rest of you boobs in trying to disprove the citizenship of my president.
jaydub99Apr 27, 2011
Yes. And you're requoting the same garbage that has been misreprented countless times. That money was spent on a TON of things, a tiny bit of it was related to this issue.
saucygitaristakApr 27, 2011
jeffshaught: I know you think you're very smart but "whom" is used only as an indirect object. The word "who" would have been grammatically correct. Jerk.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
saucygitaristakApr 27, 2011
And I'm the smart guy that replied on the wrong thread.
cosmicsurferApr 28, 2011
Another DP hive member - love the user name, So cute. Like a 2 yr old trying to learn comedy.
moducApr 27, 2011
I didn't know Obama's birth certificate was released or verified by an independent party. However, lately, I learnt that was the case. The republican had the right to ask those questions. However, once it's released or verified, they're insulting themselves for questioning it. If they know it was authentic verification, and still asking the question, they become a deceitful group of people.
trusixApr 27, 2011
it was verified prior but just never released today
ferretmanApr 27, 2011
@moduc - There was a release of a form of the birth certificate but it was never verified as representative of the longer one released today.
AnonanimalApr 27, 2011
This isn't even the "officially accepted by Hawaii for official business" version though, the one Obama released originally is. Oh, birthers....
diggduggjoeApr 27, 2011
It may not be used for official state of Hawaii business, however, the object was to justify the official requirements of the United States Constitution. Asking for the original form with witnesses is not too much to ask. We are not talking about flipping burgers at McDs. We are talking about our nations executive and commander in chief. Complete disclosure is a good thing.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
4bitApr 27, 2011
Except that the full release goes against what usually happens in Hawaii. No one but the President got it released, and in this case it's an exception to shut people up.
diggduggjoeApr 28, 2011
That is not true. I have seen reports of others getting the LFBC in Hawaii, if they ask for it. It is not the default for most people do not need all that extra info for simple job identification.
pnorth12Apr 27, 2011
Wrong. The long form was verified years ago (Oct 31, 2008), birthers just wouldn't believe respected members of the community of Hawaii (state's Department of Health director and the registrar of vital statistics). Later it was also verified by the governor ant the hospital director. (link for the first is below, from hopefully what would be considered an unbiased news organization).
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
Guess whatever news conglomerate you watch didn't deem it important enough to broadcast this little gem. Others just didn't want to believe it without seeing with their own eyes, which Hawaiian law prohibits outside the immediate family.
Now we just have to wait for the "it's forged claims" and we'll be right back to where we were last week. Good times...
pnorth12Apr 27, 2011
The long form was verified years ago (Oct 31, 2008
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
Republicans chose to ignore after the question was answered. So while they may have had the right to continue the to question, they didn't have the good ole' family values to end it when it should have been ended.
bobert5696Apr 27, 2011
By Republicans you mean birthers. Even Glen Beck was giving calling Trump an idiot for not believing Obama to be an American. (Though he initially questioned it, so he is a flip-flopper as well, but the point stands).
pnorth12Apr 28, 2011
You are somewhat correct. Birthers were the main instigators. However, my point was specific to republican leaders that failed to end the questioning.Republicans still said we should move on, but still had questions, Others failed to support at all. Boehner did this many times over the past 2 years. It's simple to find the information - think you can do it on this new website called google.
Glen Beck was pissed because someone was stealing his Thunder of Krazy.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
They have as much right to ask questions as we have to insult them for asking stupid questions.
drmangrumApr 27, 2011
He could be credited for putting enough pressure on the Obama administration to finally deal with the issue.
elipabstApr 27, 2011
You mean pestering the Hawaii department of Health so much that it became disruptive to the point the President decided to step in and put an end to this non-issue?
briangarceauApr 27, 2011
Or non-issue depending on your perspective.
torrangeApr 27, 2011
or creating an issue out of a non-issue
Hj1Apr 27, 2011
Amen!
ncmusicApr 27, 2011
It wasn't an issue that needed dealing with. I'm disappointed again because he gave the birthers a platform by placating them.
bigjoedApr 27, 2011
Why should he have to deal with it? Do you not think that our government is good enough to vet our presidents eligibility? Maybe we should privatize that too.
AnonanimalApr 27, 2011
I think Obama purposely trolled everyone by waiting until every kook and idiot had come out of the woodwork before proving (once again) that they are all a bunch of ignorant sheep.
brewbeauApr 27, 2011
I think if that were the case, he would have waited until we knew all the candidates for the presidential election. It would have had more negative impact on a birther candidate.
sophieabcApr 27, 2011
He is no stranger to fail.
brilo1Apr 27, 2011
If you've ever wondered what a smug arrogant prick who was born with a golden spoon looks like, google Donald Trump.
PyriteGenieApr 27, 2011
He deserves to.
tsuruchibrianApr 27, 2011
That's what the Donald is best at. Blame other people for the bad stuff and take credit for the good stuff. Succeeding by exploiting people.
tcbishop12Apr 28, 2011
Only a total ass of a man like Trump would try to take credit for being totally wrong. Like the prosecution taking credit when the defendant is proven innocent.
Birther cretins have only five words to say: "I was wrong. I apologize".
inajeepApr 28, 2011
Trump's spin is so high, look what it did to his hair.
nalexApr 28, 2011
Obama explained that media fixation was diverting America's democratic voice, and Trump has been right royally trumped.
You get elected leader because people think what you say. Everyone, except Trump, can now put this matter rest, to be remembered for the utter irrelevance it always held.
jaydub99Apr 27, 2011
Now we can move on to the more important issues facing America today. Why won't Sarah Palin release the results of her IQ tests? And also her report cards?
bigterguyApr 27, 2011
If Palin gets in the race she very well should release her college records. Same for Obama. More important than the birth certificate (since the newspaper accounts made that unnecessary) are Obama's college and law school records. He admitted to being a poor student. Was he at Harvard on affirmative action?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
I95guyApr 27, 2011
Affirmative Action Commander in Chief. Is that what you're suggesting?
jaxxbatApr 27, 2011
Socialist..
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
Oh for f**k's sake. Hooray for you and your not-so-hidden-racism. The only way for a poor black guy to go to a good school is affirmative action, right?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Barack_Obama_pay_for_college
He JUST finished paying off his school loans about two years ago, which you could have easily found out by taking two seconds to do a google search.
bigterguyApr 27, 2011
I wasn't asking about how he paid for his education. But how did his qualifications stack up against the 'typical' undergraduate?
reading comprehension is not your strong suitComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
No, you said he "admitted to being a poor student" then wondered how he went to Harvard. The implication there is that he couldn't afford to go.
As for how he got in? Uh, gee, I dunno, maybe because he's smart? He did graduate magna cum laude, after all.
But hey, let's say he got in because of affirmative action. So what? Does that mean he somehow didn't get an education? Does that mean he didn't have to actually work hard to get the grades he got?
I say again: hooray for your racism, you racist.
bigterguyApr 27, 2011
He admitted to being a LOUSY student, in grades, not income.
Racists see issues in the frame of race - YOU are exhibiting those tendencies.
atomheartmotherApr 28, 2011
ofor, One isn't admitted to top schools simply because he/she is "smart". The most likely scenario, since by his own admission his grades weren't good, is that Obama was admitted at least in part due to affirmative action.
That may be a "so what" matter to you but to many Americans--particularly those who are passed over for jobs or admission to colleges in favor of people less qualified--it is a big deal.
And as biter pointed out, people like yourself who play the race card at every opportunity are the lowest of the low.
jaydub99Apr 27, 2011
And if he did, I'd suggest it's an amazingly good example of the effectiveness of AA. From AA to Senator to President!
confuciussayApr 27, 2011
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!! ?
d4nie1Apr 27, 2011
Went over to wnd.com to just see what spin they're putting on it. The hard core birthers are now saying it doesn't matter that he was born in Hawaii because Obama was actually born a dual citizen because his father was a citizen of another country and dual citizens are not natural born citizens and therefor ineligible to be president. It's complete bulls**t of course but I have no doubt the right will gobble it up like candy and continue screeching from now to eternity that Obama is ineligible.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
And of course, if you try quoting US v Wong Kim Ark, or even ask them what law they're citing with their "Not a Natural-Born Citizen" crap, they just start name-calling. Birthers are so predictable.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Many people saw past the birth certificate and didn't care whether or not he was born in the USA, because there's a far more solid reason why he can't hold office. Obama loves that people focus on his birth certificate, because it distracts from the real discrepancy.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
notice...
"or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"
It was specifically worded that way. The grandfather provision of the "natural born Citizen" clause provided an exception to the "natural born" requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. (The first several Presidents prior to Martin van Buren as well as potential Presidential candidates such as Alexander Hamilton were born as British subjects in British America before the American Revolution and this grandfather clause would cover them.
BUT to be a natural born citizen, BOTH of your parents need to be born in the USA, regardless of where you were born. Obviously, obama's father was not born in the USA. Therefore, obama is NOT a natural born citizen, he's classified as a 'born citizen'. The 'natural' part comes from both parents being american citizens. This is not a twisting of the constitution, this is the EXACT interpretation and the ONLY interpretation of it.
The constitution was created with hundreds of years of history in mind, meaning they knew anything other than a person born to two citizens could be an issue, since their allegiances and ideals could be derived from that of another country, which could allow the ideals of another country engrained into them, to subvert the will of the people. It's not different than if a born chinese citizen became president and started instituting ideals from china against the will of the american people.
This was all put there to protect american society and politics from outside influence.
You may not want to accept it, just like the birthers don't want to accept his birth certificate. So in reality, not accepting THIS truth, makes you look as ignorant and blind as the birthers look to you. Make no mistake, obama is not eligible for the office of president, period. You can't pick and choose with the constitution, otherwise you might as well throw the whole thing out.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
There is NO law or court decision backing your interpretation. On the contrary: when the issue has infrequently been raised, courts have actually said that "Natural-Born Citizen" and "Citizen at Birth" are legally identical to each other.
ofoarheffinsakeApr 27, 2011
"BUT to be a natural born citizen, BOTH of your parents need to be born in the USA, regardless of where you were born. Obviously, obama's father was not born in the USA. Therefore, obama is NOT a natural born citizen, he's classified as a 'born citizen'. The 'natural' part comes from both parents being american citizens. This is not a twisting of the constitution, this is the EXACT interpretation and the ONLY interpretation of it. "
Just because you say that's the only interpretation doesn't mean that's actually the only interpretation. Especially since there's that whole thing with how that's NOT how it's ever been interpreted ever, and the Supreme Court has already ruled several times that being born in the United States to anyone who is permanently living there at the time (citizen or not) is considered a natural born citizen. This decision comes as an extension of English common law, and as a result of there being no specific explanation in the Constitution as to what a natural born citizen actually entails.
So basically you're just wrong. Whether you're wrong on purpose or because of ignorance, that's yet to be determined.
d4nie1Apr 27, 2011
"This is not a twisting of the constitution, this is the EXACT interpretation and the ONLY interpretation of it. "
You are absolutely insane and are a shining example of why birthers will never be satisfied with any amount of evidence. Just because you state something doesn't make it true. Please tell me where in the constitution it defines 'natural born citizen' as having 2 parents who were born in the US. Show me where it says that in the constitution or any law.
You can't because you're completely full of s**t and it doesn't say that anywhere. The truth is that the constitution never defines the term 'natural born citizen' and therefor it has been up to judges to interpret it and they have not interpreted as you have.
The truth is there have been other presidents who's parents were not born in the US. I did a quick google search on this. Woodrow Wilson's mother was born in England. Herbert Hoover's mother was born in Canada. No one tried to make a scandal over their parentage.
I say again, you are completely, utterly, 100% full of s**t.
ultar6Apr 28, 2011
My GOD you're a dips**t. Just admit that you hate Obama (for some "unknown" reason) and no matter the proof of eligibility provided, your hate will motivate you to escalate the rhetoric and claim he is somehow ineligiblack...errr, ineligible, to be be POTUS.
rev3lati0nApr 28, 2011
"They just start name-calling. Birthers......."
ummmmm....... ??????
chadster1000Apr 27, 2011
In similar news, the moon released official paperwork naming it Earth's natural satellite.
charlesdkraussApr 27, 2011
I won't rest until I get proof of Trump's Birth Certificate, High School Diploma, Drivers License and Registration, Titles for all of the cars he owns, Deeds for all of the property he owns, and verification from 100 doctors that he is not lying about his shoe size.
Why is he trying so hard to hide this information from the people??
crunchdiggApr 27, 2011
screw that, I want to see his rental agreements, err, prenuptuals with his string of gold diggers.
charlesdkraussApr 27, 2011
Agreed. What is he hiding!?
murrayc1968Apr 27, 2011
Why can't these conspiracy nuts come up with a USEFUL conspiracy like "Ann Coulter is really an Asian teenage boy in DRAG!" ?
revncliffieApr 27, 2011
In order for it to be a conspiracy it would have to NOT be believable.
novenatorApr 27, 2011
Well, that Adam's Apple sort of gives her away!
kyzzyxxApr 27, 2011
If you knew the details, you would understand. He had already proven it legally. By all required measures, by law, he had proven it. Anything after that would be just proving to those who CHOOSE to be ignorant about the situation. The long-form isn't even relevant from a legal standpoint anymore, the short-form has more legal validity, but NOooooo.. you idiots can't accept that. The only reason it is still an issue is cause most birthers thing the short-form was doctored. How is this ANY different. They are just going to think the long-form is doctored and nothing will stop.
From a legal standp[oint, McCain's citizenship is more in question than Obama's
No, I am not an Obama supporter. Just, this whole birther crap is a joke and makes you people look really, REALLY stupid. But you don't get that.
And never will
woodsjransomApr 27, 2011
He should have never done this. He should have waited until the 11th hour.
flpflpflpApr 27, 2011
Wow, this just made a whole bunch of people look really stupid.
(Alex Jones are you listening)
Great, now the Republicans can release GWB military record as
was requested for 8 years.
d4nie1Apr 27, 2011
They already looked stupid.
ultar6Apr 28, 2011
Thing is, everyone knew that GWB's military record would show that he got a sweet gig that kept him out of combat and that he never took that gig seriously, that no commanding officer actually held him to his military commitment, and that he was free to do as he pleased while "serving" in the "military".
The GWB apologizers never denied it and the GWB administration never denied it.
elbobogatoApr 27, 2011
This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
Wow. Not even an hour before someone declares it a "fake." You Birthers certainly didn't waste any time.
So what exactly WOULD you accept as evidence?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
neveroddorevenApr 27, 2011
did he really need a /s?
aronwyrthApr 27, 2011
Since his statement, sarcastic or not, is indistinguishable from the standard birther lunacy... yes, the /s is required.
ashmanonarApr 27, 2011
Poe's Law strikes again.
drewbaApr 27, 2011
Remember, digg is now serious business after all the cool people left last year.
zoxyApr 27, 2011
I see that someone didn't learn the concept of sarcasm growing up.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
I don't know if he was being sarcastic. If he was, I retract my unkind comments.
aronwyrthApr 27, 2011
Of course you didn't know, as it's not at all apparent from the words he posted. Any nutbag birther could have posted the same thing.
trusixApr 27, 2011
He used exact words from a popular photoshop meme
usarugulaApr 27, 2011
So did these people: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
irvman21Apr 27, 2011
Clearly, this is why you must always use a /s... for the sarcasm impaired.
mastercosbyApr 28, 2011
WOOOOSH!
NickCobbApr 27, 2011
Definitely shopped. I can see where they used the clone stamp tool.
aronwyrthApr 27, 2011
Uh-huh.
NickCobbApr 27, 2011
No, really. :)
aronwyrthApr 27, 2011
M'kay.
kyzzyxxApr 27, 2011
This statement is even more sane than the crap the birthers spew, so yes, a /s IS needed. But then. maybe that's why a /s wasn't needed.. cause it is more sane.. too obvious.
itsjustjenApr 27, 2011
mspaint in the (white)house.
/s for the tards.
pnorth12Apr 27, 2011
Yup, and that font, a modified MS Courier Roman font wasn't even out in '61,and they didn't have black ink, it was slightly bluish in hue. Good job on the eneven line like on the word Kansas. They unsed roman numerals in Hawaii for the file number as well. Now we need to verify the document just before Obama's can be seen, we need to match up the lettering going off the page to the left and then question that person to see if in fact they are also a citizen. Because if your born right after a non-citizen (AKA terrorist) then you aren't allowed to officially be born in the US.
/s
Damn, I think I'd be pretty good at that consipiracy theory job. Where can I get an application?
crunchdiggApr 27, 2011
wnd.com, foxnews.com, imdumbass.com
njdoo7Apr 27, 2011
I have seen claims that it has been. Are they valid? I'm not sure since I am no expert, but these images make me question it.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
njdoo7Apr 27, 2011
And here's a video showing 9 layers in the document when opened in Adobe Illustrator, as well as what is in each layer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo&feature=player_embedded#at=31
It seems odd that illustrator would pick up the layers like this on the image if it weren't edited. Anyone know enough about layers and graphics to comment?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
njdoo7Apr 27, 2011
Additionally, there is a birth certificate circulating where the # at the top right is within 4 numbers of obama's. However, the two birth certificates are different...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=532853197389&set=a.504530576149.2011181.162801126&type=1&ref=nf
I don't know what to think at this point.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jaxxbatApr 29, 2011
There are too many experts looking at it now for the truth not to come out ..
njdoo7Apr 29, 2011
Yea, i really don't know what I think about it. It is really meaningless in relation to the problems this country faces. A lot of people are acting like certain elements of the file are concrete proof of fraud, but I think it's too soon to tell. I'm sure graphic experts will be releasing reports on it. I won't take a side either way until I can read reports from experts and form a better opinion.
However, most people who question obama's background don't question whether or not he was born here. They question other details of his past. It's quite funny how the media has been successful lumping these people into "birthers" as soon as they bring up some interesting things. Now it will be even worse for those investigating and reporting his history now that this is out. It's seems like it may be a straw-man to defend his past.
ghengiskhan1Apr 27, 2011
Finally. Now lets move on.
On a side note, I think Obama made a tactical error here. He should have waited closer to next years elections to release it. That would have made birthers look stupid closer to the election. Now everyone will just forget about the whole thing. Nothing gained by Obama.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
Actually, I suspect the timing was motivated more by WND's impending release of Jerome Corsi's latest Obama-hating book (hilariously titled "Where's the Birth Certificate?"), which they made a HUGE press run for, bought TV ads, and generally spent a buttload of money preparing.
Now? Their big President-destroying magnum opus is instantly irrelevant even before its release, and WND is about to take a well-deserved financial beating. Well done, Mr. President.
d4nie1Apr 27, 2011
I doubt Obama cares what wnd or Jerome Corsi say. The people who read wnd are a lost cause. He will never win their support no matter what. He released it because the conspiracy theory as ridiculous as it was had gained some traction among the center.
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
Obama didn't release it to placate them, but I still wonder if the release wasn't specifically timed to cause WND some major financial pain; from WND's standpoint, it couldn't have come at a worse time, given all the money Joe Farah has poured into this now-irrelevant book. My guess is Amazon's seeing a ton of cancelled pre-orders this morning.
Not to mention the world now knows that Farah, instead of being "on to something," is simply a conspiracy-minded liar.
ghengiskhan1Apr 27, 2011
I had forgotten about that so you make a good point. Of course, now Digg is going to suffer a 9% decrease in submissions because this issue (hopefully) is over.
aronwyrthApr 27, 2011
NOW will Orly Taitz go away? Please?
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
Not possible. Orly Taitz will be around longer than c**kroaches...
aronwyrthApr 27, 2011
With a little surgical enhancement, she could easily be the next Mrs. Trump.
oxygnApr 27, 2011
ORLY??
drpostmanApr 27, 2011
Please?
ricksiteApr 27, 2011
I give some blame to the media for this whole mess. They shouldn't even give air time to people like Trump. If he had some proof that Obama was born somewhere else, let him talk. Otherwise, don't give him airtime.
mgxplyrApr 27, 2011
I love Digg comments way better than reddit comments.
theghoulApr 27, 2011
I'm sorry the president buckled at these birther idiots.
retardIQ70Apr 27, 2011
I agree, he should have just went Buzz Aldrin on them.
Schweppesale2Apr 27, 2011
nothing says 'merican like a punch to the face.
turbooApr 28, 2011
How someone like Donald Trump who wants to be a president can that Racist? He would never have my vote. Can he wins the election with only the White voters? I dont think so. I am a white man and at this point I am not happy with Mr. Trump wasted all that money for birth investigation and I am here dont have a job. Why can he boosts the ecnomy with all that money.
noidea107Apr 27, 2011
I will accept nothing less then Barack Obama's red, white, and blue, placenta.
thewriteguyApr 27, 2011
I wonder how many of us average Americans could fully prove we were born on American soil. What makes any birth certificate legit or not at this point? Can any one be easily faked?
gtophApr 27, 2011
I'm actually a little disappointed he released it. It would have been better to just let all the birther nut jobs self destruct over the issue and just kill their chances of becoming a legitimate candidate.
jdenzerApr 27, 2011
And suddenly all the birthers on digg remain absolutely quiet. Along with the half ass birthers, who said "He can put this to rest if he just shows his BC"
What's that, bu bu but . . . . yeah, I didn't think so.
I guess it's back to the old chalkboard to come up with some other crazy conspiracy to delegitimize the President.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
Exactly that is why the are quiet, he put it to rest.
WOW you grasp the obvious well !!!!
jdenzerApr 27, 2011
Too bad you need missed the obvious /S in the tone of my comment
Closed AccountApr 28, 2011
Yes TONE is so easy to recognize in a typed post....LOL
Your tone was typical liberal sarcastic meaningless babble....I got it !!!
jdenzerApr 28, 2011
Welcome to the digg comment section, noob.
Closed AccountApr 28, 2011
Noob?
LOL
Been at this since Obammy came around
CYA
jdenzerApr 28, 2011
"Been at this since Obammy came around"
Pay attention johnny boy, I said "digg comment section" not digg itself. And seeing as you have a whopping 49 comments under your belt, I'd say that puts you in the nooby class. Sorry the truth hurts.
novenatorApr 27, 2011
There you go birthers. After 3+ years of your racist whining, there it is.
How does it feel to know you've wasted the last 3 years on your conspiracy theory? Do you understand how this shines a light on how much legitimacy every other claim you make lacks too?
staticthunderApr 27, 2011
Its a fake birth certificate! Why'd it take so long if it was real??? Its obviously a forgery! I can see the pixels! If Obama had nothing to hide, he would have released it immediately. What is he covering up???? It doesn't matter anyway because he gave up his citizenship when he moved to Kenya!
stusghostApr 27, 2011
whaaa waaa, that's all I hear.
vitriolandangstApr 27, 2011
I think it was more like; "Hey, should we respond to the morons or not?"
After they didn't go away -- it's probably a good political strategy to let the FRONT RUNNING Republican -- like some opportunist like Donald Trump, to hitch is band-wagon to the Birther nonsense.
i'm sure it's a matter of Religions faith now, to NEVER believe the devil-born documentation that says anything contrary to doctrine.
jdenzerApr 27, 2011
And sadly they will continue to waste even more years, b/c they will deny the BC.
Closed AccountApr 27, 2011
yes...any time you say anything bad about a black man, it is racism. Gotcha.
That is why no one listens to yu anymore.
shermandyApr 27, 2011
It's embarrassing that so many politicians are worried about this more than actual issues.
pwhitebostonApr 27, 2011
Hey Hawaii only became a state in 1959, so Obama just made it! I don't think he'd qualify if born in American Samoa, FYI.
Thank God that Donald Trump wasn't too busy managing the bankrupt properties in his portfolio to get this done! Give that man a case of hairspray!
skippydoorknobApr 27, 2011
John McCain was born in Panama, so I'm assuming bing born in American Somoa would be ok too.
pwhitebostonApr 27, 2011
Not so much. According to Wikipedia, "The category of outlying possessions of the United States (whose inhabitants generally have U.S. nationality but not U.S. citizenship) is now restricted to American Samoa and Swains Island."
janinewallaceApr 28, 2011
Where's Trumps tax returns? Also the Earther Movement need to see Trump's birth certificate -- the long form
smacgApr 27, 2011
I think the reason why it took so long to release the long version of his birth certificate is that the crazy-ass birthers were doing a wonderful job of making themselves look like idiots. The longer he waited, the more dumb-asses were flapping their yaps about how President Obama is a phony President. I guess he must have figured he allowed enough people to put the nooses around their necks so he finally dropped the floor.
adeelarshad82Apr 27, 2011
Someone's got a birthday coming up
rotfoxApr 27, 2011
Who wants to bet that this will happen to every non-white president that comes into power? Anyone?
raiderduckApr 27, 2011
Sadly, you are probably correct.
dannyhirtlerApr 27, 2011
Can all those right wingers please go fist themselves now? Thank you
jacksons98Apr 27, 2011
Go fist yourself. It's the law. If you don't expect the president to follow the law how can you expect anyone else. Anyway it's about time.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lokcjawApr 27, 2011
The law doesn't state that the birth certificate should be released to the public.
Schweppesale2Apr 27, 2011
f**k you - he's black and his middle name is Hussein.
--
special case.
lol
paulekuApr 27, 2011
Right, but at the very LEAST it should be be checked and confirmed, considering it is a requirement for the position. And I think it should be public. It is stupid it took so long for this to come out.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
diefreeApr 27, 2011
Except you know he already released the one COLB that EVERYONE gets from Hawaii.
skippydoorknobApr 27, 2011
It was checked and confirmed back in 2008
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
dannyhirtlerApr 27, 2011
You really think someone could even run for president in the first place without someone checking that?
Not to mention that In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet. That birth certificate can be seen here http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf
So I'll ask nicely... please, pretty please with sugar on top, go fist yourself.
dimensioApr 27, 2011
To which specific law do you refer?
d4nie1Apr 27, 2011
Where is the law written that presidential candidates have to show their original long form birth certificate? There isn't one. He had already legally proven his citizenship years ago by providing the standard document the Hawaii department of health gives out to everyone.
bookantApr 27, 2011
No, "the law" is that STATES handle birth certificates and records. And "the law" in Hawaii says that the COLB that we've already been seeing for 3 years IS the birth certificate. All this "long form" bulls**t has f**k all to do with "the law."
betterthanyou94Apr 27, 2011
I was going to respond to your jackass comment, but I then saw your profile pic and thought, "It wouldn't be fair."
metalliheadApr 27, 2011
So all you birther morons can now officially shut the hell up. Mr. Trump, you're fired.
The President is an American. SO SHUT. THE f**k. UP.
guranaApr 27, 2011
not going to make a difference any way, any how... there's some made up technical reason this one isn't good enough. it's just an excuse to hate on him for being a [half] black guy sullying the oval office.
augmentApr 27, 2011
Why bother? Anybody that thinks your were lying in the first place is just going to say that this is faked. Changes nothing.
diefreeApr 27, 2011
Finally proof birthers are a bunch of morons. Of course they won't accept this proof either and continue being scared of the black man in office. The fact the President had to release the long form when he had already released the legal short form EVERYONE gets is simply pathetic, but at least it shows how idiotic the birthers truly are now.
sara2k1Apr 28, 2011
True..
cyberprunesApr 28, 2011
So I guess I won't believe all the amazing things that Trump's investigative team were uncovering that he said you won't believe. lol. Trump tried to jump on the bandwagon and the wheels just fell off.
derangedshamanApr 28, 2011
This will not satisfy the Teabaggers.
CorbettEquityApr 28, 2011
Great, now we can all get to the issues that really matter. I mean Trump has plans to turn the white House into a casino...LMAO
LiBra4687Apr 28, 2011
Why do I get the feeling the birthers won't stop?