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sonnysaysJun 25, 2010
Yet those businesses they are protecting feel the need to charge its consumers 5K for a product....
pdiddleJun 25, 2010
But it's on the internet, it must be true.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
I think the biggest drain on the economy, besides income taxes (which take about 20%-30% of the paycheck of everyone I know, between Federal, State, SS, etc.) is our monthly bills. Gas, electric, water, cable, internet, cell phone.
People I know who have these services are paying:
Up to $150-$200 for Gas/Electric
Up to $120 for water
Up to $140 for cable
Up to $70 for internet (with all those fees and taxes)
Up to $350 for cell phone
Imagine how much more money people could spend if those bills were reduced.
marx2kJun 25, 2010
I can reduce it drastically for you in one month. Cancel cable, get the lowest tier broadband from the cheapest competitor in your market and get a pre-paid cell phone.
ruthlesspirateJun 25, 2010
Damn, they need to minimize, man. I'm paying about $120 for electric, $12 for water, and $25 for internet. I get some digital TV channels through a splitter because it's cable internet.
iforgotaboutitJun 26, 2010
1) Why do you have cable? The internet is better.
2) Damn, that's a lot for water.
3) Your cell service is pretty damn expensive too!
berkanaJun 25, 2010
What product costs $5k? Music and computer games?
The only software I know of that is that expensive is advanced engineering software that is actually worth that much.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anonthepyroJun 25, 2010
Products like Maya and Photoshop can cost hundreds of dollars if I remember correctly. And with photoshop, a new version seems to come out every year. So that means even more money to spend. I'll rather just pirate it cause I don't have money to spend like that.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
insomniacagentJun 26, 2010
@Berkana
Adobe likely prices their software so expensively because of all of the pirates. I think the real money maker is all of the corporations and businesses who buy their products. They don't seem as perturbed by pirates as say, the RIAA.
docholiday22Jun 25, 2010
There is so much other s**t that needs to be sorted out and these guy are focusing on Pirates?
insomniacagentJun 26, 2010
See, as a teenager enrolled in a Calculus and Physics program, I don't have time to work a job for a salary. On an average night I have about 6 hours of homework. I simply can't afford to buy new games, music or movies. At 60 dollars a game (for new releases), it's just ridiculous. I can hardly afford the $15 dollars per month to pay for WoW.
That's what drives me to piracy.
And, for music, if I care about the artist, I'll buy their vinyl. As for smaller bands, I try to pay for their music. For the most part.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
iforgotaboutitJun 26, 2010
You don't have enough time to get a job, but you have time to play WoW?
wjappeJun 26, 2010Submitter
Obama and the rest of the government, you have the nerve to tell the citizens not to "pirate" songs and movies while with out a thought you pirate our money, you copy it and copy it and copy it decreasing the value of what we hold and save you are such hypocrites. Stop copying our money! That's what really hurts everyone and the economy. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
It's beginning to seem as though this administration gathered all the issues a majority are against and decided to support them. WTF?
aplusjimagesJun 25, 2010
Ha ha you thought elected officials represented the people. Where have you been the last several decades?
torrangeJun 25, 2010
So, because the people want free movies and music, they are not represented? I knew I would find a bunch of people in here complaining because there will be a crackdown on stealing movies and music. Please justify to me your right to go into a site and download an album or movie for free - call it file sharing if you like, but it is still stealing.
Also, this article is a joke. Please tell me how this statement
Biden states, "Piracy hurts, it hurts our economy."
equals
According to the Obama administration, the RIAA, and MPAA, the world economy is pretty much doomed if we don't start prosecuting pirates at home and abroad. Without such a crackdown, businesses will go bankrupt the coalition argues.
waltaaronJun 25, 2010
I was a fetus, or not even conceived yet.
torrangeJun 25, 2010
So if I walk into a store and walk out with a CD that I did not pay for, I will be prosecuted in civil court? The packaging of a product dictates if it is a civil or criminal issue - good to know. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
travelsonicJun 25, 2010
"When you go on to sell that copy and do not give the legit copyright holder their cut THEN it becomes piracy and THEFT"
Actually, since we are talking about factual accuracy, even when you sell it, it doesn't change to theft, it remains piracy plus massibly steep[er] penalties.
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mrsurfboardJun 25, 2010
Change you can believe in!
bobosmitorJun 25, 2010
Anyone notice pirate bay is down?
frostekJun 25, 2010
Don't worry - shops are still open, so you can buy things instead... :-)
dtfinchJun 25, 2010
Who pirates things they can easily buy? Everything is region-locked these days. Want something from country X? Well too bad, because for no discernible reason, they don't want your money. It's better to be powerful than rich. Makes you feel important.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
travelsonicJun 25, 2010
Why says opponents to the RIAA/MPAA don't?
Well, obviously, those like you, Frostek, who don't give a f**k about intellectually honest debate as long as you delude yourself to thinking you're on the high ground. Silly me, how could I forget?
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
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arschgaudiJun 25, 2010
Piratebay blows
kate1240Jun 30, 2010
When does Entourage air again?
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
These bastards have been bought by the RIAA / MPAA since day one.
muffinmonkJun 25, 2010
When will they go bankrupt?
braininaboxJun 26, 2010
"This country has been bought and paid for for a LONG time"
-George Carlin
freemarketfairyJun 26, 2010
link your proof, loser.
factsahoyJul 10, 2010
And notice that they're perfectly fine with American innovation being killed by illegal patents.
superkendallJul 15, 2010
Well what do you expect when you vote in the party that Hollywood fully supports.
mitcheypooJun 25, 2010
I fully support the investigation (read: raiding), prosecution, and jailing of suspected pirates... so long as the RIAA and MPAA pay for every step of that process.
What we need is a revolution. We need to kill the music and movie industries. Any suggestions?
fullclipJun 25, 2010
Well if the tax payers are going to pay for all this, then shouldn't the tax payers pay the fines.. I'm a tax payer, and if my taxes are going to pay for my investigation then I wan't my taxes to pay my fine??
torrangeJun 25, 2010
this is what was actually said and not interpreted like in this nonsense article.......
Espinel.
"The Administration believes that it is essential for the private sector, including content owners, Internet service providers, advertising brokers, payment processors and search engines, to work collaboratively, consistent with the antitrust laws, to address activity that has a negative economic impact and undermines US businesses, and to seek practical and efficient solutions to address infringement."
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/06/ip-boss-calls-for-transparency-in-copyright-enforcement.ars
fullclipJun 25, 2010
Wow.. so very 1984..
BIG OBAMA IS WATCHING YOU!!
michichaelJun 25, 2010
This is what we call privatizing the profits and socializing the costs.
dc7407Jun 26, 2010
I agree with you completely Michichael.
cusomanJun 25, 2010
Maybe natural selection will kill off all of the people keeping the music industry on life support by buying crap like Black Eyed Peas, Justin Beiber, Katy Perry, 'Lil Wayne, Nickelback, etc.
...
A guy can dream, right?
thegreatone2009Jun 25, 2010
Dream big my friend dream big, I'm right along with you....especially lil wayne...being an underground hip-hop fan it really hurts seeing how the majority of the population listens to such crappy ass metaphors ugh...
shuaigexJun 25, 2010
It makes perfect sense to kill the record and movie industry, until you realize that you'd have nothing left to pirate.
thejman36Jun 26, 2010
Not true. Not all music and movies are synonymous with the RIAA and MPAA, ya know?
valynJul 8, 2010
@theJman
In fact, most of the best movies and music are outside of the big labels. Its just a bit harder to find them since they are not force fed to you through tv and radio, etc.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mobixxJun 25, 2010
Lets start with Bieber?
sheepboy13Jun 26, 2010
Support independent music labels and independent filmmakers.
staticpageJun 26, 2010
ya start with taking out the head, oh wait it just grew a new "head"
gnodyknokJun 26, 2010
We need zombies
brucealmightyJun 25, 2010
Obama & Co. seem to be getting only the Cliff Notes version on the piracy issues. Like, all piracy is evil and deserving of drastic punishment. Well, yeah...counterfeit pirated prescription drugs can kill people and should be shown no mercy. Pirated songs and videos on the other hand have never killed anyone and extorting people who 'share' them for $2500 or so per incidence is just plain obscene.
aaroncharlesJun 25, 2010
Pirated drugs actually save millions of lives annually, especially in places in Africa where true humanitarians have taken to eschewing international law in order to provide a life saving service for people who would not otherwise be able to afford it. This, of course, does not profit the pharmaceutical companies, which is why there are constant PR campaigns against the practice
shinobioliumJun 25, 2010
Piracy killed my father and raped my mother!
shaggy3Jun 26, 2010
If they started sending out $10 tickets to mass numbers of file sharers, it'd be much more logical, fair, and effective. Not saying that would work, but the $2500 an incident is just ridiculous.
spritomJun 25, 2010
Anyone excited to vote for him in 2012?
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
Do you think a republican would be any different?
fullclipJun 25, 2010
No but Republicans are going to be so busy for the next few years undoing this cluster f**k obama has crated most everything else will fall by the way side for a couple of years. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
Republicans won't have time to deal with it. They have to fix all the f**k-ups of this administration.
random12345Jun 25, 2010
@FullClip - Wait.. What?! What did Obama create? I don't get how f**ken ignorant and how little memory the Teabaggers have of who was president from 2001-2009, and what Obama inherited. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
all politicians are equally, corrupt, stupid people. caring for themselves and not for the people
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
I hope my state has a third party on the ballot this time. Anyone who thinks what Obama is doing right now is much different than the republican platform is an idiot.
oboshoeJun 25, 2010
Change?
njdoo7Jun 25, 2010
Democrat and Republican are basically one in the same. How about we vote for nobody and eliminate the government? It is immoral, unnecessary, and doesn't work.
To learn how anarchy would work (free books and videos): http://www.freedomainradio.com
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caramba421Jun 25, 2010
@pauldy
"and outing corrupt industries who had been cooking books and outright corruption coming out of the woodwork in various industries helped create the economic hole."
Oh, you mean like Enron? That company whose executives were meeting for tea and crumpets on a monthly basis with your boy Bushy?
And by the way, it's "you're wrong." Obviously, you missed the finer points of a high school education.
njdoo7Jun 25, 2010
"Obviously, you missed the finer points of a high school education."
All brought to you by the fine public education.
@pauldy - Look at you arguing over which dictator is better. Enjoy praising your 'leaders' that sell our children to foreigners, among many other evil things.
dream0weaverJun 25, 2010
Do you think republicans are the only alternative? No. I'm voting third party... libertarian.
yage2006Jun 26, 2010
I'd be really curious to see how Ron feels about this.
Don't know how libertarians position themselves on piracy.
Wouldn't be surprised the MPAA/RIAA would get to him too :(
The only thing that would put them in their place is a mass boycott. But I believe that would be impossible now to pull of in any meaningful way.
lormendiJun 25, 2010
I don't like him much anymore, but I doubt I'd vote for a Republican either. This whole lesser of two evils thing kinda sucks.
akhomesteadJun 25, 2010
Voting third party regardless of who you vote for is more a vote against the establishment IMO.
I'll take someone who speaks the truth even if I don't agree with them on everything over an establishment hack.
njdoo7Jun 25, 2010
You have it spot on. Our government is about picking the lesser of two evils. How about not picking evil?
Governments are immoral, unnecessary, and it doesn't work. This has been proven over the past 5000+ years.
To learn how anarchy would work (free books and videos):
http://www.freedomainradio.comComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lormendiJun 25, 2010
Not to be dismissive, but I thought Anarchy was a cool idea when I was 16. Noam Chomsky's Libertarian Socialism makes some sense to me, but people dont know how to behave without some sort of social contract. So, I agree that Government is immoral and doesn't work, but it definitely seems necessary.
mysql101Jun 25, 2010
Vote for a 3rd party candidate. It doesn't matter if you think it's a thrown away vote. The more the 3rd party support is shown, the more the republicans/democrats will have to take note.
This should especially be the case if you think you're voting for the lesser of two evils - then your vote can't be thrown away because you lose either way.
rhendalJun 25, 2010
Also, consider how many people don't want to throw away their vote on a 3rd party candidate. If they all stopped being pussies and voted for the person they actually wanted in office, they might see some results. Instead they're creating a downward spiral off of each other, or they're just lying about wanting to vote 3rd party in the first place.
mysql101Jun 25, 2010
Many people vote for who they THINK will win, instead of who they WANT to win. It's like some screwy mindf**k thought process. You do not get a prize for voting for the same guy 51% of the population also voted for.
rhendalJun 25, 2010
@mysql101: Yeah, I remember when I first turned 18 I could vote, and would hear stuff from my graduating high school class that was like, "Well, I want Candidate A to win, but Candidate B is probably going to win, so I'm going to vote for Candidate B."
I also hate the whole "A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Candidate (that you probably don't like or want to win)." No, it's a vote for the third party candidate.
@secrity: That's an issue, too.
hydesJun 25, 2010
@njdoo7
a third party does not receive anywhere near the same kind of money from lobbyist and would therefore be less inclined to appease them, at least for the first term.
njdoo7Jun 25, 2010
@hydes
Good luck with that. I'll be waiting to abolish the state when you finally realize / learn.
kotiyaJun 25, 2010
@secrity - f**k it, I voted for Nader. I didn't agree with all of his agendas, but the man has spent his entire life in workaholic servitude to the American people, and has proven thus far to be incorruptible. That's way more than any of the politicians I have seen running for election. I was also pretty hopeful for Mike Gravel and Ron Paul... anyone who calls out the complete illegality of the income tax and the fact corporations do not pay nearly their fair share of taxes gets major props from me. A fourth branch of government more directly controlled by the people may actually work, and it may be f**king awesome if people actually researched their s**t and weren't brainwashed by propaganda.
The hilarious thing about Democrats (Michael Moore, wtf) begging Nader not to run against Bush because it would make Republicans get more votes, was that he received more conservative votes than liberal ones.
Until I feel Republicans or Democrats actually stand by their claims and earn their votes, I will always vote third party. One vote is essentially nothing, a letter to a public official is worth at least one hundred of them, but I'd rather feel better about working toward a better future than feeling like I was cheated out of a vote.
hydesJun 25, 2010
you mean the truth in that corporations run this country and there is nothing the people can do about short of a revolution? delaying the inevitable is better than accepting it and doing nothing, depending on the candidate it may not be just a delay he could actually inform the people of what is really going on in the government. will that happen? highly doubt it but that doesn't mean its not possible
njdoo7Jun 25, 2010
@hydes
You are rightfully upset about how the government operates. However, this is what you get when you have a government.
I didn't say do nothing, I said eliminate the government. Your solution is the same as what our founding fathers did. Look where we are now..same spot they were...For the sake of our descendants...wake up. I gave you a link to learn all you need to know..for free
hydesJun 25, 2010
anarchy would not work simply because of human nature's desire to be in charge. that is why communism does not work. anarchy would lead to despotism which would end up far worse than what we are at now
njdoo7Jun 25, 2010
"anarchy would not work simply because of human nature's desire to be in charge."
Where did you learn this? Government..I mean public school? You claim you need a government to protect you from evil people. Who protects you from evil people in the government? Nobody does. Having a government is like giving a road map to these evil people, a road map of where to go and not face consequences for their actions.
You have no reason to be uneducated on anarchy, I provided a link where you can learn everything you need to know about it. Obviously, that did not happen.
njdoo7Jun 25, 2010
What do you need a government for then? What purpose does it serve?
You are completely wrong about Somalia. All proof for my argument as it pertains to Somalia can be found at these two links, parts 1 and 2 respectively:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtGkTRnocZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBuPECU0_P0
"better the evil you know, then the evil you don't know"
You know of all the evils in government? Government's foundation is on evil, aka violence. The system I am suggesting is founded on the philosophy that violence is immoral. Why guarantee and centralize the existence and use of violence, which comes at the expense of freedom? This gets back to, what purpose do you think government serves?
kotiyaJun 25, 2010
A simpler way of thinking of it... as long as we've had government, we, as a race, have been searching out the best way to properly govern a large group of people, while encouraging values such as freedom, equality, success, and progress, while still asserting a certain superiority of ideas and power (which doesn't have to be militant). It's a civic evolution. Modern governments may be really close to the ideal, they just need some tweaking from the citizens.
hydesJun 25, 2010
@kotiya
finally a logical argument. while i agree with you on most of that, what politicians are doing is not treason
from the constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
that being said, it is bribery and should not be acceptable. we need to remove these politicians at once and vote in those with no affiliation with the 2 primary parties
poesybeaterJun 26, 2010
The "third party" suggestion is always such a joke. What it says to me is that all we need to solve our problems is for everyone to change. Yeah, let me know how well that works out for you.
needcoffeeJun 25, 2010
Yes
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
I'm not sure what I'll do. He has been a major disappointment. I haven't agreed with almost anything he has done except for try for UHC, and even that was a f**k up.
But I know the republican candidate in 2012 will be even worse if recent history is any indication of the quality we can expect.
And I think a 3rd party vote is a waste without a real movement backing it up.
Man this country is f**ked up.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hydesJun 25, 2010
"And I think a 3rd party vote is a waste without a real movement backing it up."
a real movement cannot start if everybody has that same line of thought
kotiyaJun 25, 2010
If people weren't so crippled by fear then third parties would get a lot more support. It's going to happen, and hopefully soon. I think Bush was the breaking point. The candidate who won the next presidential term was the one who promised change. That's no accident, that's where people's minds are heading, especially with the younger generations who, thanks to advancements in communications, are more aware of what's going on and the stakes involved. They are finally sick of the bulls**t and I think within the next decade we are going to be seeing major third party influences.
Not to say it will really change anything, but it's a step in the right direction.
travelsonicJun 25, 2010
"And I think a 3rd party vote is a waste without a real movement backing it up."
No wonder it won't get done with this attitude, creating a catch 22 that keeps things from getting things done.
kotiyaJun 25, 2010
@mnemy
"without a real movement backing it up."
Better start facebooking that s**t, man. Seriously. After reading all the support on Digg today for third party candidates, I'm feeling a lot more confident and hopeful. Just have to let others know they aren't alone. A movement is very feasible in this day and age.
chiefbandit2200Jun 25, 2010
"Man this country is f**ked up."
Don't like the way the government is run? Vote third party and do something about it!
jjamminjonJun 25, 2010
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mrsurfboardJun 25, 2010
Betting at least 75% of Diggtards will.
reconfigurJul 9, 2010
Better a Diggtard than a Republican any day.
finalsword22Jun 26, 2010
I'm just excited to move to Hong Kong.
freemarketfairyJun 26, 2010
Yes I am. Are you one of those losers who thinks he has a right to free art?
howlingcoyoteJun 25, 2010
Then when it is all said and done, and the RIAA and MPAA are still losing money, what next? Conveniently forget it wasted our taxpayer money and find more lawsuits! These guys need to get with the times and realize their crusty old business model is now a failure.
rpatrick819Jun 25, 2010
Why do you need lawsuits? Obviously the correct course of action is to throw them a trillian dollar bailout. We need to save jobs!
darkwater37Jun 25, 2010
How about the massive government piracy scheme called "inflation"
where they can grab your money by printing more and decreasing the
value of yours? Talk about we can do it but you can't.
wjappeJun 25, 2010Submitter
I'd like to make a cartoon with the president, the fed guys, treasury guys and Biden dressed up like pirates, with a couple of them in the background with a printing press rolling out fed reserve notes, with the president saying something about you shouldn't pirate music and movies it destroys the economy, but pay no attention to the guys behind me with the printing press.
Biden states, "Piracy hurts, it hurts our economy" and inflating our currency doesn't?
louisstoJun 25, 2010
I don't know why but I imagined them in skirts... is something wrong with me?
shutaroJun 25, 2010
F**K THE RIAA!!!
cajungator3Jun 25, 2010
F**K CAMBODIAN WHORE MONKEYS
inactiveuserJun 25, 2010
The RIAA have been f**king congress all year, obviously the whores in the white house like sucking c**k for a pocket full of dollars. Who said prostitution was a bad thing? Oh the politicians did...
michaelman77Jun 25, 2010
I was waiting to see this comment just to digg it up. Dugg you up to 69. :p
louiscipher777Jun 25, 2010
"It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and reaching in and grabbing what's in the window." -- U.S. VP Joe Biden
except that instead of smashing the window, I instead make an exact duplicate of it. at that point my enjoyment of my newly created thing does not take away from Tiffany's, except under the false assumption that had I not created one out of thin air that I would have bought theirs.
wilf_brimJun 25, 2010
More like Tiffany coming out and demanding that you pay them 50 bucks for taking the picture of their jewelery, and want 50 bucks for every body you sent it to. Because if you weren't able to take the picture, then you would have bought it, right?
drdragunJun 25, 2010
To argue it's totally one way or the other is ridiculous. Every pirated copy is not a lost sale, but probably 5% are. I have a friend at work who just yoinked Rome:Total War. Seriously, dude, it's 10 bucks on Steam and you have an engineer's salary. You are going to play that thing for 50 hours. We just paid $10 for a sandwich at lunch and you can't be bothered to spend that much for weeks of entertainment?
evileddy60Jun 25, 2010
Is it odd that I buy all my games but never music or movies?
trainofthought6Jun 25, 2010
10 bucks? What the hell was on that sandwich?
sirfoxxJun 25, 2010
There is principalities involved here, Smokey!
trainofthought6Jun 25, 2010
evileddy - I'm the same way...it may have something to do with the more advanced DRM that comes with video games these days. If you want to get the full functionality out of a game, it's much easier to fork over the 10-20 bucks to Valve and play online legitimately. On the other hand, getting the full functionality out of a music or movie file is as simple as downloading it.
shinzenJun 25, 2010
Oh, gaming does have piracy problems, mostly with companies where their DRM "solutions" are really so terrible that you sometimes need to download a cracked version to PLAY THE GAME YOU PAID FOR without bugs, crashes, or random denials of service.
Ubisoft, anyone who uses Games for Windows Live, I'm looking at you.
tukaJun 25, 2010
Cheers to the day we can copy $10 sandwiches!!!
(notice i said copy, NOT share)
shozikuJun 25, 2010
not pirating does is not gonna make them ,more money at all. they can thank piracy for the money I pay for the DVD's I buy. If I like it then I'll go out and buy it but most of the crap is downloaded, watched, and thrown away with great prejudice. they're not churning out masterpieces at all.. Piracy is a consumer protection feature I am proud of. and we the people... invented it. f**k you RIAA MPAA communists and the muslim man you rode in on.
oyflaaaayvinJun 25, 2010
"It is sad but predictable to see John Prior (Letters, August 10) trotting out the old fallacy about music that we buy a product encumbered with a licence.
Let us walk through my most recent purchase. I strolled into the store, located the CD I was after, paid for it in cash and left. At no stage was I asked to sign a licensing agreement - not even a post-sale agreement like those for software. It was a simple transaction of cash for a physical product.
'No,' cries the music industry, 'you are bound by the licensing agreement that you did not sign and that we cannot produce for inspection.'
Fine - let's suppose I now have a licence for personal use applying to all the CDs I own. I should be able to take advantage of that. A CD I bought 10 years ago now has a scratch down the middle so that five of the 10 songs refuse to play. Luckily for me, this problem is solely with the physical medium. After all, my licence for personal use should allow me to reacquire 'my' content, especially since it is digital data and can be reproduced an unlimited number of times at virtually no cost.
'No,' cries the music industry, 'you bought a product, not a licence. You are not entitled to a free replacement, you need to buy it all over again. And when you do, you will be covered by another identical licence. Until something happens to this new physical medium.'"
~David Jack, Leichhardt, Australia (Letter to the Editor, Sydney Morning Herald)
trandafiraJun 25, 2010
In fact, I would say its more like seeing a necklace at Tiffany's through the window, then going home, grabbing some raw gold and uncut diamond and duplicating it from its raw materials.
majest12Jun 26, 2010
you sir are a god! that is the explanation that needs to be heard.
silentdudJul 1, 2010
That's awesome I can't believe you just said that.
hellzyeaJul 8, 2010
Copyright infringement is against the law so if you do pirate don't go around talking about how something else is against the law when you break the law or you're a f**king hypocrite.
visual77Jun 25, 2010
I voted for him, knowing his views on intellectual property ran the opposite of mine. I'm still glad I voted for him, but it does suck that those views are now being discussed.
waiting2awakeJun 25, 2010
and the Patriot Act?
FISA?
Iraq war?
Foreign Rendition?
goosemangJun 25, 2010
Someone that dumb should never be first in line to be the leader of the free world. Do you really need any more said than that?
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
Obama claimed to be against all of those things (at least for awhile). McCain did not. I knew he wouldn't follow through, given his action in the Senate, but without a third party on my state's ballot the guy who at least pays lip-service to reasonable policies was the best I could hope for.
peppermintpigJun 25, 2010
You forgot Obama's support for assassination and unlawful detainment of US citizens.
barnett25Jun 25, 2010
Don't forget the good things he tried to do that I voted for him for, like health care reform. At least I thought health care reform was what I wanted, before the conservatives told me how evil it was.
w1cked1Jun 26, 2010
Have some NoDoze buddy, yer gonna be waiting a loooooooooong long time. Hurts don't it?
Closed AccountJun 26, 2010
Yeah, because SO MANY other politicians would make a stand for piracy and defend it.
People are f**king retarded. And I'm always glad to remind them just how retarded they are.
OK, so the 'obama' administration is against piracy.
WHAT? You mean as opposed to all of those other presidential administrations that would SUPPORT it?
Name ONE f**kING politician who would stand up and publicly even suggest that they support piracy.
Would never happen.
Ever.
But you guys are all whining and crying like there is some mystery candidate out there who would coddle you and tell you that what you're doing is OK and it's not stealing.
I hate to sound like a broken record but you people are seriously f**king morons. The most irrational people to ever peck at a keyboard.
Seriously...justify that flawed thinking for me.
Do you think that any politician from any party at any level higher than local government would ever go on record and say that they support piracy and file sharing?
THEN WHY THE f**k ARE YOU SHOCKED THAT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS AGAINST IT?
apocadallJun 25, 2010
f**k Obama!
timthetaxmanJun 25, 2010
I cannot sever someone’s ownership of an idea, therefore no theft has occurred. Case closed as far as I am concerned.
This whole IP thing is a new and radical concept that has only been around for a couple of hundred years. In this age of information, it has proven itself to be more trouble than it is worth.
linuxpersonJun 25, 2010
Imagine if IP laws existed when the wheel was invented, we'd all be walking.
iph0neJul 7, 2010
Something tells me your opinion would change if it was your money making idea which was being used by people unwilling, but able, to pay for it.
hasahugedigJun 25, 2010
Does this surprise you at all? Obama kept appointing former RIAA lawyers one after another into office.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/04/obama-taps-fift/
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/obama-riaa-mpaa-doj,news-3786.html
yage2006Jun 25, 2010
I am not surprised only cause he had to bring Biden along :(
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
Lately it seems like Obama doesn't want to be re-elected.
oboshoeJun 25, 2010
Hey maybe I do agree with this bozo on something.
marx2kJun 25, 2010
Lately people have been believing pretty much any article they read because, after all, it's on the internet
yage2006Jun 25, 2010
In this case the article is true though.
He's gonna loose 90% of the voters on digg though.
marx2kJun 25, 2010
"In this case the article is true though."
What's true? What is it that you are referring to?
"He's gonna loose 90% of the voters on digg though. "
This statement is about as well sourced as the article you're telling me is true.
armageddon2012Jun 25, 2010
Where are the hordes of Obama apologists this time?
Only one this could possibly trump the reflexive apologists for Obama and their excuse making here in digg, and that's when someone (even Messiah himself) challenges their right to pirate software, movies and music.
lormendiJun 25, 2010
I guess the fact that Obama supporters don't agree with him on everything kinda f**ks up your whole "messiah/followers" narrative, eh?
For the record, I didn't vote for Obama or McCain. I just hate the right wing more than I hate the left wing.
marx2kJun 25, 2010
Armageddon2012: Obama apologists for an article that has no basis in reality?
selfprodigyJun 25, 2010
You fooled me once obama I voted for you. Fool me once ...... well you cant get fooled again....
Closed AccountJun 27, 2010
Yeah it's disappointing. But at the same time we would have John "Ban UFC, anti-net neturality" McCain and..a Theocratic Sarah Palin. Problem is the GD Corporations actually run the country
rsm33Jun 25, 2010
"It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and reaching in and grabbing what's in the window." -VP Biden
1. Tiffany's doesn't attempt to sell infinite goods. If Tiffany's were in the business of selling say, pictures of jewelry, would me taking a picture of that picture be theft? Record companies don't sell bands, they sell data copies of a recording of those bands, those copies have no value, they are infinite. For this analogy to make sense, the record companies would have to be selling us concert tickets and/or private concert sessions with the band. Those are scarce goods (like jewelry).
2. You don't destroy property (break a window) or deprive the owner of a computer file of any of its value when you download a copy of it. In fact, the owner would not even be able to tell anything had happened. Like you do when you break a window and steal a physical good from someone else.
theratdotusJun 25, 2010
they are ignorant f**ks
clayvisJun 25, 2010
"Record companies don't sell bands, they sell data copies of a recording of those bands, those copies have no value, they are infinite. "
Are you kidding me? Just because something is digital doesn't mean it doesn't have value and can be stolen. Piracy is stealing
The record companies and the bands are getting ripped off every day. Just because you can do it and not feel guilty about it doesn't make it right.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hydesJun 25, 2010
f**k the record companies and the bands have other means of making money, ie. doing live shows
shinzenJun 25, 2010
Let's say for a moment that I had a Star Trek Replicator.
With this magical device, which lets say almost everyone on Earth had access too, let's say I make a pizza, and then copy that pizza N times.
I keep the original pizza, and offer to sell you the copied pizza, despite the fact that it cost me literally nothing to produce, anyone on the planet could have made an equal or better copy than me for zero cost, and I am making Infinite profit on this, since any demand cannot equal the supply, I will never run out, and I have 0 cost to produce.
Now lets say you buy a pizza from me, and decide that you're just going to use one of the ubiquitous Replicators to copy it for zero cost, just as I was, and have some more every day. With this capability out there, what in the hell gives me the right to then scream at you, drag you before a judge, and charge you three thousand times the amount I sold that original pizza to your for per slice you copied or gave to someone else?
How is this difficult to understand? Financial Laws before the digital age were based on supply and demand, and having physical objects as the things being traded or sold. In that case, copyright law was invented so that someone couldn't invalidate all your work on creating physical goods which had a production cost, steal your methods, and undercut you by 15% thereby removing your entire market and leaving you sitting on your ass with 20 warehouses full of s**t you'll never sell.
What is happening now is a guy hitting Ctrl+C, then Ctrl+V and charging you $1.50 for it. And putting a bunch of restrictions preventing you from doing the same thing, even if you don't plan to sell it. That's not my idea of fair value.
manlyandyJun 25, 2010
The Star Trek replicator did not make food out of nothing. It works basically as a atomic resequencer. Like having a bucket of legos you can make anything with. Also, the Federation did not use money.
But regardless, saying there is no cost is not true. There are tons of costs that go into creating a band, making a song, signing to a label, recording, etc. It may take no money to copy a song, but that does not mean a song has zero cost.
This is not a judgement on what it Should cost or how the industry screws musicians or anything like that. I just want to make the point that it isn't truly free, which is why there are laws to tell you who gets paid for intellectual property
travelsonicJun 25, 2010
"Just because something is digital doesn't mean it doesn't have value and can be stolen. Piracy is stealing"
You just contradicted yourself, you can't say it can't be, then say it can be stolen.
Just by nature alone, your assertion is false - data does not submit to the same physical bounds as something that can be stolen.
Also, why is it that the two crimes [copyright infringement and theft] are in separate bodies of law, and one requires taking and depriving somebody of something while the other is infringing upon the right to control the distribution of a work? After all, according to you, they are the same.
"The record companies and the bands are getting ripped off every day."
The same ones that keep posting record sales/profits? You better be f**king kidding me.
hydesJun 25, 2010
according to dowling v united states, copyright infringement is not theft
freemarketfairyJun 26, 2010
You think you're part of a big movement. You're just a cheap nerd who wants free stuff.
quickgold192Jul 5, 2010
VP Biden... Wait - We have a Vice President??
/s
factorof13Jun 25, 2010
Par for the course. I voted for the guy, but honestly, he hasn't done ONE god damned thing for this country since he's been in office.
Better than Bush? Maybe. I don't really see a difference. Even if he is, it's still a bit like saying that a stab wound is better than a gunshot wound.
alexweiskerJun 25, 2010
I'm beginning to feel like the only "smash and grab" going on is with my tax dollars.
joejitsuJun 25, 2010
Another one of Obama's changes.
hewhopoopsJun 25, 2010
Obama has effectively alienated the youth vote. I'm highly disappointed.
spugemasterJun 25, 2010
How in the world is not paying for entertainment ruining the economy? Ruining the MPAA and RIAA, yes, but we're all well aware of that and there is no slowing this Mack truck down.
Why don't we try and focus on the real problems at hand such as the housing market, banking, and the gulf shore?
Oh wait... it all makes sense now. "Stop pirating movies and go to the theaters so you don't have to think about the FUBAR situation that is the gulf shore right now."
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
Smoke if you got 'em
errdayimhustlinJun 25, 2010
Well, what is the Internet going to do about it? Is /i/ planning anything?
diggwithaforkJun 25, 2010
f**k public opinion... f**k majority... let's take care of the giant businesses that lose profit from piracy. I think Obama needs to install "national firewalls" so they can monitor and prosecute people from pirating, and also they can block access to pirate websites, and block bit torrent traffic. Like China. It's the only clear solution. The government needs to protect us from ourselves. /sarcasm Isn't it about time we stand up to these ****s****rs and tell them that we're their bosses? Obama works for "US". He should do as WE say, not as some anti-piracy organization says.
suavek2000Jun 25, 2010
Relax guys , Obama is just on empty suit following orders.
i have a pop quiz for you .Go now and find a dollar bill , look an the back side and have a good look because people dont ever really look at the money they carry .On the right side you will see a eagle with something over it's head , connect the dots and you are for big surprice .Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
xetabyteJun 25, 2010
How's that "hope and change" working out for ya?
schmuckofniJun 25, 2010
Oh time to bailout the entertainment industry now? This administration keeps on getting better and better.
iceman21Jun 25, 2010
Are they serious?, i have an idea, lets go after all violent crimes with a renewed vigor, all the harmful ones too, bank robbers and, get this, *actual* thieves, burglars and so on, rapists, murderers, people who make fake drugs that are dangerous and sell them, people who make real drugs that are dangerous and sell them, but now, whats that?, you are going to *crack down* on people sharing things because the suits at the top of entertainment businesses get angry because the recipient of the person sharing doesn't need to pay for the product?
f**k you Obama and your administration, this is stuff the president of the united states should not even think about, there's 1000's of more important things than an outdated and obselete business failing, do you not know about the atrocious practices the riaa and mpaa have used against people?, innocent people?, even those with no home pc?, they deserve to crash and burn.
etx313Jun 25, 2010
I wonder if they've heard about that little oil thing going on down in the gulf?
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
"Top politicians on both sides of the aisle are firmly behind the music and movie industry anti-piracy and money-collection efforts."
Yeah, I should have voted for McCain because he would have done the exact opposite in this situation being the maverick that he said he isn't and a copyright violator himself.
mavmavvJun 25, 2010
Yeah, good luck, Hackers/Pirates live for challenges like this.
hewhopoopsJun 25, 2010
And just wait, this is the one f**king time the Republicans decide to be the party of No... But We Suppose We Can Say Yes Just This Once.
invictus125Jun 25, 2010
Despicable. They have better things to worry about, and yet as soon as the RIAA/MPAA get fussy / grease the right palms, the federal government heels like a show dog.
superhaas2000Jun 25, 2010
"Our internet anti-piracy detection system will become self-aware at 2:14am Eastern Standar... oh ****.........................."
tinzusaJun 25, 2010
The very day that it becomes a crime for me to search for a word online, is the day that I leave the Country and find a nice safe hut, somewhere in the middle of nowhere, to avoid the imminent revolution.
jjason1985Jun 25, 2010
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diguptruth77Jun 25, 2010
In a few years, when internet/broadband speeds are fast enough and reliable enough, we won't have digital "media" in blu-ray or CD formats. It'll ALL be streaming. Dreamin about streamin.
Then, it'll be strictly subscription. Digital distribution companies will get a piece of the subscription pie, and all content on the network will be free to download. Is this way too optimistic?
skyfyreJun 25, 2010
RIAA/Government: "We heard you singing "Sweet Home Alabama" in the shower this morning, and you did a pretty good job. That will be $1000 and a month in jail, please." *holds collective hand out*
"You were thinking about Lady Gaga's song "Poker Face" in your head while you were mowing the lawn yesterday. We renounce your awful taste in music, but we will gladly charge you $1100 and then take your computer from you."
Music was a product. Now it is a service. Major record labels, why you trying to hurt us?
anthony1124Jun 25, 2010
Allowing US Companies to Outsource I think hurts the Economy even more.
k1n6Jun 25, 2010
In fact, just the opposite is true. Allowing US companies to maintain a competitive edge in a global market helps us keep jobs here.
travelsonicJun 25, 2010
But not by buying laws like the RIAA, MPAA, and BSA did/continue to do.
k1n6Jun 25, 2010
yea I'm not advocating these kinds of "purchased" laws, just merely refuting Anthony's point of outsourcing jobs.
k1n6Jun 25, 2010
Yes we can! ignore the important issues, spend every dollar we don't have, and give big corporations blow jobs.
dccabsJun 25, 2010
yes, and apparently that one thing is making sure people don't infringe on the copyrights of musicians. He isn't doing much else.
phatfiendJun 25, 2010
I'd like to know where diggers draw the line. Say you have a company that makes a videogame, and you sell it in boxes in a store for $15 and this is your only channel of intended distrobution. Suddenly there are torrents and lime wire downloads of it all over the place.
Sure, not all the people playing would have bought the game, I get that. But a significant number would have. Who do we hold accountable? Surely filesharing in this way should be illegal.
As much as you may not like how a company chooses to distribute and price it's content dosn't give you the right to just take it from them for free. This is the primary reason I wont torrent things.
travelsonicJun 25, 2010
"Say you have a company that makes a videogame, and you sell it in boxes in a store for $15 and this is your only channel of intended distrobution. Suddenly there are torrents and lime wire downloads of it all over the place."
It is almost never that instantaneous.
"Sure, not all the people playing would have bought the game, I get that. But a significant number would have. Who do we hold accountable?"
The people distributing it, but the problem is that the methods used to find them ALWAYS take out the protocols themselves, and people unrelated to the one in question.
"Surely filesharing in this way should be illegal."
Depends, for example I feel no qualm if I buy a game, and then have to pirate it [w / crack] to make it run on my computer because of the overzealous DRM scheme on it.
"This is the primary reason I wont torrent things."
Because all torrenting == illegal & immoral. Right. /s
phatfiendJun 25, 2010
Sorry I should have been more clear. I used torrent as a slang there in the last sentence. I use bittorrent protocol often for non-infringing downloads. I meant "torrent" as in breaking copyright using bittorrent for distrobution.
k1n6Jun 25, 2010
Obama is a bigger liar and more of a sell out than bush ever was.
cajungator3Jun 25, 2010
Waiting for an Obama disciple to defend this.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
The article doesn't source anything except for one comment from Biden, and I don't see any 'announcement' from the administration.
The website is also huge on any conspiracy theory that comes their way. The site has zero credibility, and everybody is eating the headline up without reading the article because they favor freedom of information.
andersonxeJun 25, 2010
Interestingly, the statements seem to fly in the face of a recent Government Accountability Office study released to U.S. Congress earlier this year, which concluded that there is virtually no evidence for the claimed million dollar losses by the entertainment industry. That study suggested that piracy could even benefit the economy.
tangytengJun 25, 2010
Man, do Obama/Biden want to be one and done THAT badly? cuz it's working.