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veggieslaveAug 6, 2010
Fact: I attend school there. I guess I need to start stripping.
thetardisAug 7, 2010
RUN!!!!!!!
Drop out now
It's a con job
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/
ninjadolemiteAug 7, 2010
yeh man, don't pay money to get that s**t.
polycount.com <========= the best art school is free.
ninjadolemiteAug 8, 2010
wow. I got dug down for suggesting he go to poly count to learn how to make video game art?
wtf?
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
so i just finished some computer science college myself. i was searching for a programmer job, something, anything. should i consider stripping myself..?
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
If you are hot then YES!
lordofshadowsAug 7, 2010
Depends, did you learn anything while attending classes?
mrcacaAug 7, 2010
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stormcommanderAug 7, 2010
it's the same
cyclonusripAug 7, 2010
Your C professor was a cross dresser with a beard too?
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
almost the same. if you're asking about the guy-girl percentage, it's kinda like 5-7 guys to 1 girl - please notice i didn't say chick. if you're asking about the smart guy - smart girl percentace, it's more la 50 to 1. i'm not even going to go in the guy-chicks percentage area...
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
Send us some pictures so we can give an informed decision.
wf80diditAug 7, 2010
Check Craigslist. They always have postings for programmers.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
Yeah for 10/hr
dustoutAug 7, 2010
"programmer needed to develop facebook competitor, will pay after job is complete, $100"
lbcdreAug 7, 2010
@Gremline I thought that it would be pretty easy to get a job in the computer field, since technology is the new way of life. Did you major in just computer science or did you specialize in something?
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
nah, i actually quit the idea. i realized i wasn't really made for it - don't really see myself as a geeky girl programming all day long... right now i'm trying to find a job in photography, my biggest passion.
lbcdreAug 7, 2010
O ok.
chileangodAug 7, 2010
It roughly depends on the weight to height ratio.
ell0boAug 7, 2010
Generally speaking, a female programmer has a leg up on most male programmers when looking for a job, but you have to know your stuff. I had a few woman that went through college with me, and they're not programming now because they got through college getting the guys to do their work for them. I know whenever I have a chance to have a female on my project team I snatch one up, assuming it's one that can hold her own weight. They bring a different mindset which expands the teams ability to look at problems. I recommend when interviewing, you focus on the same.
strangehumorAug 7, 2010
Seriously? There were women who went into CS and got guys to program for them? Really? In all honestly I can't imagine this happening where I went to school, but I was pretty much the only woman there, and I did my work myself. I can't imagine being in a degree program I was so disinterested in that I got other people to do my work for me...
/female with a degree in computer science who is currently using her degree.
ell0boAug 7, 2010
Really? You never heard of it? Must have not gone to a big engineering school. It's a pretty standard phenomenon.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
so true! this is the way it goes down these days. i mostly tried to do my projects alone, asked for help only when i really needed. but 90% of the girls in my group put on a pretty face and just asked for the already made projects from naive virgin geeks. it worked most of the times for them...
but as i already mentioned it to lbcdre on a comment above, i quit it - i'm not that good at programming anyway, didn't even enjoy it that much either - and now i'm trying to make something out of my biggest hobby/passion - photography.
kestasjkAug 8, 2010
"and now i'm trying to make something out of my biggest hobby/passion - photography. "
eep
strangehumorAug 8, 2010
I went to a big engineering school, but really there just were NO women at all there studying CS, I only knew one other one that was in like 2 of my classes and she kept to herself, and I never talked to her. She seemed hard working though.
moordrikAug 6, 2010
It's a sad state of afairs....and stories like this seem to be coming up more often now. I earned my BS in Game Design in 2008, I gave up and went into government contracting, has absolutely nothing to do with what I went to school for =/
bloodwineAug 7, 2010
It is pretty typical that most people have jobs outside the scope of their college degrees or areas of focus.
lordofshadowsAug 7, 2010
Thats because you got a bachelors degree in a joke major. Game design? Really?
moordrikAug 7, 2010
Yep, a complete joke. Any degree program that offers a solid foundation in C and C++, Project management, and as well as game design and theory is a complete and total joke. Seriously? You matter of factly dismiss my degree without any facts. You expect me to take YOU seriously?
dillowayAug 7, 2010
It's not a joke degree, but you have to admit you're severely limiting yourself by targeting one very specific industry with your degree. A Comp. E or CS degree would give you the same foundation and you could target the embedded systems industry which spans Automotive, Aerospace & Defense, Bio-Medical, and consumer electronics. Or, if you're truly set on making games, why aren't you developing your own games?
ell0boAug 7, 2010
It's a good time to start up a web game company. Just a thought.
lordofshadowsAug 7, 2010
When HR sees a computer science or computer engineering degree from a state university they know you have taken the typical abet accredited course load.
If you really wanted to make a game you can easily teach yourself the required api's on your own. But let me know what school you went too and I'll compare their degree requirements to the typical computer science degree.
herojonAug 7, 2010
@lordofshadows
I can say with good knowledge that a large number of HR people don't really care what degree you have. It's the relevant experience that is their main focus. In the business world, work experience always trumps a degree. In that respect, just about every degree is a junk degree (if you don't do the right internships in college, that is.)
commonwealthAug 7, 2010
If you go to art school, it's very common to get a degree in game design. There are degrees more specific than that, really. The thing is you have to be seriously dedicated, because if you don't have the skills to get a job in games (against ridiculous competition) your major can be pretty useless.
cubicledroneAug 7, 2010
Please list all non-joke majors. If you manage to cover even five percent of human knowledge, you win the Internet.
gzalziAug 8, 2010
@herojon Except when it comes to pay. You can be the best codemonkey or network admin, but bushinesses won't pay you as much unless you have a good degree.
whoreableAug 7, 2010
Recently I have been considering taking my BS in accounting out of the frame and wiping my ass with it.
tgc1Aug 7, 2010
I s**t you not, you'd probably make more money per year than the BS is worth.
chileangodAug 7, 2010
It would make sense given your username.
kronos6948Aug 7, 2010
They don't call it a BS for anything.
energyxAug 7, 2010
yes. i've heard accountants are getting pushed into temp-worker zone so it's hard to get any real benefits like health insurance
thirstykoalaAug 7, 2010
What was your GPA like? Where do you live?
I'm currently working on a BS in Accounting. The job market out here seems to be strong.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
I love strippers! You can get some great deals on lapdances right now in this economy.
freeridstyleeAug 7, 2010
Not to mention great deals on other extra curricular stripper activities.
richmomzAug 7, 2010
It's a real buyer's market out there I'm sure.
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
Plus, they are skinnier because they don't have money to eat regularly.
phrawghAug 8, 2010
The lap dance is always better when the strippers crying (and has a degree).
trizzleatlAug 7, 2010
Thank god for this economy
bloodwineAug 7, 2010
It is hard to have a lot of respect for women who turn to stripping and/or prostitution if anything goes wrong for them. They cry about equality and that they are just as qualified or moreso than men, but then they jump on their backs at the first hiccup.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
anteyekon4mystAug 7, 2010
Maybe it's because things are so unequal that "jumping on their backs" is necessary. I'm sure it's not after the first hiccup.
blqysmgAug 7, 2010
The sad thing is that anyone makes any money for stripping. We have a f**ked up society where it's illegal to walk around bare chested (for ladies) but it's okay for men to pay for women to dance naked? I don't mind naked, I just mind the money associated with it. It takes something that should be normal and natural and turns it into something dirty.
I suppose there will always be prostitution, because there will always be hot women that loser men can never sleep with who are willing to allow the losers access for money. Stripping, on the other hand, and strip clubs, are very strange to me. I've been to several, but they bore me. If you can't touch them, why even go?
Now, if they were dance-with-naked-chicks-then-f**k-them clubs, that might be worth the visit.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
doublebaconsodaAug 7, 2010
They can't sell sex if you get it for free. Hence, everything you see with a hot girl in revealing clothes.
lordofshadowsAug 7, 2010
You can so touch them...
tsothaAug 7, 2010
I have a lot more respect for women who turn to stripping or hooking when they can't pay the bills than the ones that expect my tax dollars to support them.
richmomzAug 7, 2010
Some of them don't have to whore themselves out because they can just mooch off their parents (like a lot of guys do).
dennycraineAug 10, 2010
Yeah like me! ........*sob*.......
fuzzynyankoAug 7, 2010
I talked with a company recently that says they will land me a job, though the catch was that you get $16,000 into debt with them. This article makes me glad I avoided it
pstrollAug 7, 2010
was this company based in nigeria?
fuzzynyankoAug 7, 2010
New Jersey.
tgc1Aug 7, 2010
That sounds an awful lot like an MLM (Multi Level Marketing Scam). They are EVERYWHERE. And prey upon gullible people who really believe that these people are legit. Don't fall for the hype.
richmomzAug 7, 2010
There's a lot more of that going on these days - they're basically headhunters that try to find jobs for employee's that no employer would pay for, and make their money by taking a cut of the employee's salary.
falserAug 7, 2010
WTF? This is not new and is not a sign of the apocalypse. Women have been doing this for... like... ever.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
BREAKING NEWS: A woman addicted to crack has resorted to prostitution!
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
See? Woman will always have some form of job available to them, which is godamn fortunate concidering the state of the economy.
wiseguy1020Aug 7, 2010
Does anyone really expected a job right off the bat in this economy with an ART degree?
doublebaconsodaAug 7, 2010
Media art design is the only thing that would land you a job. Everything else is like learning an instrument. You may be good but so are 1298e47843487873x2 other people.
dustoutAug 7, 2010
dugg for 1298e47843487873x2
tgc1Aug 7, 2010
Technically, NO DEGREE will ever warrant hundreds of thousands right off the bat. It's not even the degree that matters, it's YOUR ABILITIES. What you bring to the company who happens to need your expertise, experience or knowledge. People seem to forget that.
wf80diditAug 7, 2010
Except 99% of companies (like that) are looking for someone with a Degree and X amount of years experience. So the problem is how do you gain the experience needed when you can't even get your foot in the door without a Degree?
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
In Art, talent will trump a degree anytime. Requirements like art degrees are put there to thin out the applicants, and most likely it's the HR department that put that requirement down in the job description, but if you send them kick-ass work, they're not going to care where you went to school or what kind of degree you have or don't have. Conversely, it doesn't matter if you have a Master's degree if your work isn't excellent.
eezyvilleAug 7, 2010
She needs to improve her abilities and build a portfolio. She should join an open source project to improve.
paulsaboAug 7, 2010
MD?
endomlikAug 7, 2010
Pretty much why I advocate the military so much. four years and you'll have a skill set and experience. I'm not saying go be a grunt. I did research on what the civilian equivalent jobs. My top two choses were Non-Destructive Inspection and Precision Measurement Equipment Laboratory. I got PMEL. I've know many people that have got out to work for power plants and calibration labs making very good money after four years. Four years you have the tech training and experience to get a job rather than debt and a degree. Plus if you worked hard enough you can get a degree for free. (off-duty ed)
atroxodisseAug 7, 2010
Indeed, one of the biggest things that determines your starting salary is how much you're making right now. They always ask. And no matter how good you are, they won't know until you start working. I started at the low end of the salary range for my position because my previous jobs were pretty crappy but by the end of two years of working at my current position I received two raises, 9% and 11%. Do your job well and you will be rewarded. Assuming you work somewhere good...
midtownerAug 7, 2010
Well, no liberal arts degree will warrant great pay right out of school. Nurses do pretty well, engineers do alright. An MD or DO is a hell of a meal ticket once you deal with your student loans. When I finished my J.D., I immediately had a fairly high paying job, so there are degrees out there, but a major in photography or modern art just ain't gonna cut it.
doublebaconsodaAug 7, 2010
@EndomlikEndomlik
+you get to die for something that doesn't completely add up. Of course, you could get lucky but most people will be hauling cargo or logistics which are very prone to an I.E.D
Nothing against the soldiers because you guys do what you have to do but the people sending strangers over to die for little to nothing is heartless. If we weren't at war right now all of Americas soldiers would be relatively safe. Not now, not during war.
Also, I wish they had to implement a draft so the population would tell the government "Not this time!"
At least I would tell them they can keep this war and if they don't f**k off then I will give my life for true freedom against these needless slaughters.
yansanAug 7, 2010
only morons i suspect. for most art careers degrees don't really matter, there is a s**t ton of terrible "artists" graduating every year by just skimming by with god awful work. then they're confused when no one wants to pay them. most art schools nowadays accept the majority of applicants with the knowledge that they'll be too s**tty to land a job in the industry. but they don't give a s**t, you just gave them ~$30,000 a year. they all want your money and don't give much of a s**t otherwise.
fungowskiAug 7, 2010
If they know what they're doing, they should be able to get into the 6 figures pretty quickly. It's called web design. Don't worry you won't need programming skills, you just outsource that to indians and losers that can't find a job because of the "economy."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
cubicledroneAug 7, 2010
Art Degree.
Advertising.
Film.
Publishing.
Marketing.
Video Games.
That's roughly $400 billion worth of economic activity every year. All of those business disappear without art.
Have a nice day.
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Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
pshh, they've been claiming they just do it to pay for college for years
pstrollAug 7, 2010
i went to school to become a stripper but landed an exciting career in information technology
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
logically there is something wrong with your statement.
factorof13Aug 7, 2010
Advertising majors make the best strippers.
laxpantherAug 7, 2010
There's no clear heels in biology!!
freeridstyleeAug 7, 2010
I wish I was given the luxury of stripping.
user500Aug 7, 2010
I was paid not to strip, apparently the folks didn't want to see a naked underemployed electronic tech.
wabblesAug 7, 2010
'wonder how University of Phoenix will fare?
kammisanAug 7, 2010
She isn't a "College Grad" by most definitions. She's just a high school grad and a victim of a diploma mill.
Also: http://tinyurl.com/2wcutje
emeraldclaw4Aug 7, 2010
i went to the art institute of philadelphia and i make $800 a month and have $650 a month in student loans. The problem with art institutes is that when you sign up the tell you that its 15 grand a year when its really 25 or 30 grand a year.
vbschotenAug 7, 2010
you only make $9600.00 a year?????
i'd look for another job
herojonAug 7, 2010
Must be working part time, if that were a full time job, it would be violating the federal minimum wage laws.
theworldisflatAug 7, 2010
Who sets these unrealistic expectations for kids these days? An art degree? You aren't going to come out with an art degree and be hired on as a creative director, ever. You're going to eek out an existance in a field that pays very little from the get go.
I'm tired of these college nehire candidates I've interviewed in the last few months that think they're somehow special.In this econ, I'd be *JUMPING* at anything that came my way, especially at a solid company. It is somehow insulting to them to hear they won't be making a six figure salary and have rank their first day. Stupid parents babying their kids has led to this generations of gimmies.
eraidersAug 7, 2010
Well, not all of us are like that....I graduated with a degree in MIS and I'm looking for anything, ANYTHING, and I do not expect to get paid half of a six figure salary.
bloodwineAug 7, 2010
The generation of, "you can be anything you want to be. there are no losers. we're all winners!"
This is what happens when you take away dodgeball from grade school recess. These kids grow up not understanding failure or pain.
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
couldn't have said it better myself.
user500Aug 7, 2010
we had a job opening at the plant for a management potion nobody in the company would touch, still we had 76 applicants.
jimpbblmkAug 7, 2010
The people in the company probably mixed the potion themselves.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
The colleges and society in general set these unrealistic expectations. That was the whole point of the article, that the for-profit degree mills are flat-out f**king lying about the job prospects for their students. It's fraud to bilk people out of their hard earned cash.
Academia is pretty much a scam, and it's not limited to art institutes. I spent a total of ten years in school to graduate with a science PhD, amassed massive amounts of student loan debt, and my prospects were to spend four or five more years in low-paying postdocs so I can finally get a high stress job in a tenure track faculty position (if I'm lucky), and work 60 hour weeks with no overtime trying to get tenure.
I ran screaming away from academia. It was hard as hell. People see "PhD" and they either assume you are over-qualified, or that you have no practical experience and can only understand theory. It took a LONG time to find a decent job, and a lot of effort too.
All of that is with a science degree. A degree which I obtained while being CONSTANTLY promised great salaries, awesome benefits, my summers off to do things I enjoyed, the freedom to explore whatever interesting problems caught my fancy, a wonderful standard of living, etc etc etc. It's bulls**t. The system needs the cheap labor of postdocs and grad students, so they romanticize the process and very few people are willing to come forward and admit just how s**tty life is as a typical person pursuing an academic career. I have known many other people in the same boat as me, and I'm actually one of the lucky ones in that it took me less than a year to make my escape. Others are not so lucky.
I can only imagine how f**ked I would be if I had an art degree instead of a science degree - things were already stacked against me, and I had a ton of skills that are useful in a workplace. Any institution that promises high salaries or wonderful lives to art students should be criminally investigated, because they are flat-out defrauding their potential students.
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
A degree is just important because people THINK its important. At the end of the day, your going to be working from the ground up. Your REAL training starts when you start your first job. Thats where you learn what you really need to. Both my brother and i agreed that everything about the industry that we've learned thats usefull was done by ourselves and not from the university. They teach you theory or outdated crap thats not used anymore.
I'm only doing it to make my parents happy. I'd urge ANYONE to seriously think about wether or not its worth getting a degree and a MASSIVE debt or simply learning on your own what the industry needs and working your way up anyway.
herojonAug 7, 2010
@theworldisflat
"Anything" is a bit pushing it. A lot of the jobs out there now are commission jobs which expect you to pay for your own licensing. A recent college grad with barrels of debt can't afford to take on extra costs with no guarantee of immediate pay off. A lot of these "professional" jobs have you worse off financially than a minimum wage fast food job short term.
I'm not sure what positions you are hiring for, but if your company is offering jobs paying $10 an hr or more and isn't demanding people to pay for their own training, then hey sign me up!
bipolarruledoutAug 7, 2010
You know it used to be that if you had a degree this was the case. It was for baby boomers who "foolishly" sent their own kids off to college expecting the same thing.
Not that I disagree with your statement, I'm just making a point. And of course art school.... well that's different discussion.
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
Well said right on the money....a generation of Gimmies..
cad420Aug 7, 2010
If you ask me, she's one ugly stripper --> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1572489781&ref=search
She's got more URL's about this on the FB page, including one video from Bloomberg.
lordofshadowsAug 7, 2010
Im surprised she got hired as a stripper
eezyvilleAug 7, 2010
Good work detective.
kronos6948Aug 7, 2010
Watch the youtube vid. She's not THAT bad. I've seen uglier strippers.
grampanoopAug 7, 2010
Having toured the local Art Institute for my own kid, I have to say that while I saw a lot of talent, the courses where very expensive and not justified by the ciricullum. Despite their claims of sunshine and unicorns for all grads, reality is obviously much different for most. While I do think everyone needs to choose wisely and there are no guarantees, these kinds of schools need to be held accountable for the bs they pitch to potential students.
bipolarruledoutAug 7, 2010
If you have talent in the arts you don't have to drop 100k on art school. You DO have to work your ass off for years, and years and network and be willing to promote yourself. You STILL have to do that anyway even with an art degree so why not just skip the being massively in debt part?
grampanoopAug 8, 2010
There are many crap game schools out there (so many bad tv ads) but unfortunately that's the hip thing to pitch these days.
Whether it's code, design, or art, you need to drive yourself and do it everyday, and hope someone notices.
If you don't want to get pigeonholed in a job, there are no shortcuts and the fundamentals have to be learned so you can evolve with the times. Fancy game schools aren't needed to do that.
That said, digipen is an awesome school and far from the most expensive ( or cheapest).
link2999Aug 7, 2010
I was going to go to college at an Art Institute, but then I heard the prices. The degree was about 70k, not including the cost of living. Instead of offering financial aid to their students, they use the money for advertising. Overall, I wasn't very impressed. I am going to be attending community college this fall so I can save the 100k+ dollars I'd be wasting if I went there.
bosskeyAug 7, 2010
Where I live, if you ask professionals they will tell you that the comparable programs at the downtown community college are actually more highly regarded in the industry, and yet cost a fraction of the price of the Art Institutes.
dmcbrideAug 7, 2010
No Gremlina - just move to the correct area - think Redmond or Seattle if you really want a job. A huge recrutiing community there for a number of large companies. They will hire even if you aren't exactly qualified - looks great for stats.
On another note, the ratio has gotton much better. I graduated in December - it is now around 35 men to two female.
nonymous666Aug 7, 2010
When I went to college (about 25 years ago), there was a strip club called "Cricket's" and about half the girls there were students.
cowboy1015Aug 7, 2010
she can video game me
avsfan1Aug 7, 2010
It pays the bills
kasha34Aug 7, 2010
Thank Obama for this. There's billions of business dollars sitting on the sidelines.
Why? Because people don't want to risk their money when they don't know which kind of doomed fascistic high-tax job-killer scheme he'll ram through next.
PS - For those who don't know: Any time you hear a politician of either party talking about a "public-private partnership" or anything where business and government work together? That is fascism.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
lol
user500Aug 7, 2010
fortunately wen the repbs get back in the blank checks to big business from the government will go back into style.
dayal911Aug 7, 2010
Thank Obama for Florida's economic state? Really?
You, sir, are an idiot.
kasha34Aug 7, 2010
It's Obama who's digging us deeper and deeper into the hole. It's Obama who took our national VISA card, already too high. And ran it over the limit.
You, ma'am, are an imbecile.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dayal911Aug 7, 2010
Explain to me how borrowing money is causing the job market to be bad.
kasha34Aug 7, 2010
When you borrow money, one day you have to pay it back.
That means more taxes. Everyone now acknowledges that ObamaCare will cost a tremendous amount too. More taxes. Climate change laws, or cap 'n trade will cost even more.
There are billions of dollars now "on the sidelines". In business accounts. Money that COULD be invested. But it's sitting. Why? Because smart businesspeople and smart investors won't risk their capital until they know just how terrible the new taxes and regulations will be. And if the punishing taxes and regs are as bad as they look now, why invest just to lose it?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
plaguesterAug 7, 2010
Like... the Federal Reserve?
sealaAug 7, 2010
Yet its always the Right Wing here in NZ, thats promotes the benefits of and supports PPPs
and the Left that calls them bad - "business should be involved in making money from doing what should be the governments job. Thats why we pay our taxes.'
kasha34Aug 7, 2010
I don't know NZ politics. Sometimes the Republicans here in the U.S. push PPPs. Mostly PPPs are a left-wing phenomenon, which makes sense as Communism, Socialism and Fascism are next to each other on the political spectrum. All on the opposite end from free-market capitalism.
BTW, big businesses often like PPP, especially if they can write the rules.
sealaAug 8, 2010
@kasha34. I would describe Fascism as being on the opposite end of the scale to Communism. It is right wing authoritarianism as opposed to left wing authoritarianism While both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality.
Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing. (The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy)
Your last sentence is totally true. PPPs often mean the business gets all the benefits and the taxpayer all the risks
kasha34Aug 8, 2010
@seala
I would describe Fascism as being on the opposite end of the scale to Communism.
>> Yes. You've been lied to on this subject.
It is right wing authoritarianism as opposed to left wing authoritarianism
>> That's the rewritten history you've been taught. In truth, Hitler was a world socialist for years. And migrated to the similar form -- national socialism.
While both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production,
>> That's true. They learned that telling a business what to make, what to charge, what to pay, who to hire, etc was just as good.
nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality.
>> It claims it is, just as socialism and communism do.
Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.
>> Yes. In the rewritten history. In the 20s, 30s and 40s it was universally assumed that fascism was the opposite of free market capitalism (which is right wing). Back then, before the war and before the Holocaust, it was almost universally considered that FDR, Mussolini and Hitler had similar economic policies.
If you are actually interested I will include links next time.
sealaAug 8, 2010
Kasha: Who has lied to me?
"That's the rewritten history you've been taught"
Actually Ive never been" taught" history beyond high school. I have read a huge range of history books and the published diaries and letters of historical figures and I'll read your links if you post them
kasha34Aug 8, 2010
Anytime you read a comment like, "further to the right than Adolph Hitler," you were being propagandized with the lie that fascism is right wing.
Actually "left wing" means believing that more of the "means of production" should be nationalized. Or take their orders from a central government authority, which is the fascist variation.
And "right wing" means believing that less should be nationalized. And should take their orders from their private owners.
I'm sure you know that the word "Nazi" is short for National Socialism?
Time Magazine 1939, on Nazi Germany :
"Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. ... Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."
Fascist Italy was the same From wikipedia: "Mussolini pushed for government control of business: by 1935, Mussolini claimed that three quarters of Italian businesses were under state control. That same year, he issued several edicts to further control the economy, including forcing all banks, businesses, and private citizens to give up all their foreign-issued stocks and bonds to the Bank of Italy. In 1938, he also instituted wage and price controls"
Wage and price controls. State control of business. Control of profits. Collectivized farms. The fascists called it "the third way". Brilliantly, they put a new name on socialism and added minor tweaks. Still the same doomed system.
You probably also know that Hitler was a big proponent of eugenics -- just like the "progressives" back then. FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Margaret Sanger and all the rest.
kinjutsuAug 7, 2010
You can blame the school all you want but ultimately kids like this go there with unrealistic expectations. Having gone to school for game development myself I know that a lot of people there go in thinking a degree will get them a job in games, when in reality the field is super competitive and you need skills, a lot of hard work, and dedication to get in. I can imagine this would be even worse in places like the Art Institutes where pretty much anyone who can pay can go. Yes, a degree is important but in anything creative your portfolio comes first.
eezyvilleAug 7, 2010
I've always wanted to design videogames. I just got my BS in aerospace engineering and still want to design games. I think I'll learn to program in a few more languages and join an open source game.
Are you a game designer? Can you guys start making quality games now plz?
vladikoffAug 7, 2010
In other words she wasn't talented enough to make it in games. The whole point of going to design / animation school is to build a portfolio or reel, not get a degree. You could go to the best art school in the country and no-one will talk to you unless you have a good reel to show for it. Some video game studios do pay very well but you need skills to get into those places. Obviously she came out of school with nothing to show for it and she expected someone to hand her a high-paying job based on a degree and a smile.
carlososAug 7, 2010
I know of someone that that also goes to one of those schools and he uses his free time to work on third party mods to build up his resume to get one of the good jobs when he is done. There is nothing better to show than having a finished product and saying how many thousands of people played the game/mod.
pe5t1lenceAug 7, 2010
What, no one has posted the obligatory "Pics or it didn't happen"??
rudegarAug 8, 2010
lapdance or it didn't happen?
eezyvilleAug 7, 2010
I respect that girl for working hard in college and trying to get into a difficult industry to crack (video gaming). I hope she makes it through hard times and pursue her dreams. Work hard.
kestasjkAug 8, 2010
Did she work hard in college?
ciarAug 8, 2010
I don't respect her because she went to a school that is advertised on television.
7king7kingAug 7, 2010
Sad Story
chileangodAug 7, 2010
I can see the potential situation here...
"Hey baby. I would like a dance. I find you pr.... hey... Didn't i had an interview with you last week?"
wf80diditAug 7, 2010
If I could go back and do it again I'd go to a Tech College and get a degree in HVAC. It'd be cheaper and if you stay with it you'll be making $100/hr in a matter of years. But like most Diggers, I don't like to get my hands dirty or do any kind of manual labor.
dayal911Aug 7, 2010
She should have gone to a better university than the Art Institute of Fort Lauderdale.
This is what happens when you repeatedly chose the easy way out.
wakkyweedAug 7, 2010
I don't know about you guys, but a stripper who like video games sounds fun to me!
pinchduckAug 7, 2010
So the government wants new regulations "that would force them to prove that they placed students in worthy jobs after graduation and that their students were able to pay down debt."
I think that's awesome, as long as it applies to state institutions, as well. And if a department can't prove that grads get a job with a high enough income to repay their student loans, then the department should be defunded immediately and the tuition refunded to the students.
fuzybunyAug 7, 2010
I attend an Art Institute and it is sad how unrealistic some people are. Some think they are going to work at pixar, win awards for the films, work at top design firms,etc. I have seen some land good jobs but that is because they have something called talent.
I do not know why these people go to the Art Institute. I personally attend because I could not get into the school I wanted and even though I can learn everything from a book which I have been doing since they do not teach s**t I still want a degree so I can move onto my masters which I need as a back up plan.
In Florida we have Ringling,UCF, and UT all schools offer the programs that the Art Institute does and UCF has a partnership with EA.
Closed AccountAug 7, 2010
You think the jobs are going to be there after a masters? I am not trying to be rude but there are hundreds of thousands of other people with the same back up plan as you and I don't think it works as well as you are hoping.
holdemrulesAug 8, 2010
education failed
so more education must work!!!!!!
fuzybunyAug 8, 2010
The field I am interested in requires a masters degree. Yes. I will be able to get a job because it is in demand even if I don't I still will be able to another thing that I want to do which also requires a masters degree.
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
unless your field requires a PhD (such as research or Science in general) a masters is useless. No one cares about a masters. Its a stepping stone to a PhD.
Sorry to tell you this, but getting a masters doesn't mean a thing :/
fuzybunyAug 8, 2010
One of the fields I am interested in requires a masters degree so yes it means something
kangarouxAug 7, 2010
I'm ok with this.
fuzybunyAug 7, 2010
ROFL I just got to class and the school is swamped with new people signing up. Should I tell them to run?
/facepalm
bipolarruledoutAug 7, 2010
Yes, you'll be competing with them eventually.
goatmonkey2112Aug 7, 2010
Stripping IS art if she does it right.
marconiusAug 7, 2010
I went to the Art Institute of CA - SF and graduated with a BS in Media Arts and Animation. You only get out of the school what you put into it, and it gives you a great chance to find a good ability and network yourself with it. In this case, she probably needs to move to a part of the country where there are actual game companies...Austin, San Francisco, LA, San Diego, etc. All in all, the Ai system only wants your money, and the recruiters couldn't care less about your actual talent and drive when going into the school, and highly inflate the expectations of your outcome.
The schools even have Career Placement services that guarantee aid when it comes to finding a job. Unfortunately, they stretch the truth; working retail at an Old Navy store counts as "a job in the industry!" or working as a lowly tester in the gaming industry, which is where the majority of the students go. You only find that out near the end of your time there, after all the extremely hard work and crazy schedules you are put through. Some people catch on early...we had an 80% drop-out rate in the first 4 quarters of the school, but they still had your money by that point.
thegreatone2009Aug 7, 2010
I have a friend that attends the Art Institute in Houston and she seriously regrets it. Shes up to her neck in debt, many of the administration there are useless, some of the professors are useless, and she has serious talent in animation but it really sucks seeing her go through so much crap at a private for-profit institution, she would have better job prospects going into graphic design and doing animation as a side gig. But overall though, its not what degree you earn but what you do with it and how you apply yourself for the career you want. Can't find a job here in the states, f**k it, go look in another country, the jobs are there, you just need to make some sacrifices pursue what you want. I'm a graduate with just a B.A. in Media Production and Linguistics and have worked in multiple countries making pretty good money and just enjoying life. I worked my way through school because my mother refused to take out loans, yes it was hard as hell to do but it was in my best interest. People need to stop being afraid of working hard, because without working hard and making sacrifices, you won't succeed no matter what university you attend and no matter what degree you earn.
gsxrmike04Aug 7, 2010
pics or it dident happen!
aeronAug 7, 2010
I went to this school: http://www.digitalartschool.com/
They were horrible greedy bastards that just wanted money. Thanks to them I started out 20grand in debt, other people were 60grand in debt and still have s**t jobs, but I dropped out half way, went an flipped burgers for $8/hr for a whole year. Then I started from scratch and by some miracle got into the game industry using skills I developed on my own.
Closed AccountAug 8, 2010
s**t you teach yourself > s**t you learn from college.
Seriously, the s**t they teach you at college is all theory and outdated s**t. They never have anything up to date and anything apart from the basics to teach you. Its VERY rare you learn something thats actually useful for industry.
unitthreeAug 15, 2010
I left college at the beginning of my junior year. I'm 26 now and make right under $90k in IT.
Started off small time doing little contract work, then knew someone at a company who convinced their boss to hire me, stuck around for experience, and then moved on. I was lucky so I wouldn't recommend to alot of people to drop out like I did.
richmomzAug 7, 2010
FTA: "After graduating from the Art Institute..."
I think I found the problem.
menosdabearAug 7, 2010
soooo basically, all the article needs to say is "grads wonder why they cant find jobs after getting a useless degree from a no name school. Then fall back on being a whore." Dont get me wrong, the arts are definitely important, but you have to be fully aware that you need to get very very lucky to find a decent job with an art degree. And compounded by the fact that you went to a s**tty school makes the odds even worse for you. Its her own stupid fault, enjoy whoring yourself out.
commonwealthAug 7, 2010
All that matters in art school is your portfolio or reel. I went to art school and nobody gives a s**t where I went, they just want to see my reel. The idea is that the art school will teach you the skills you need because the degree truly is useless.
phrawghAug 8, 2010
What of the art of being a whore? Or an artful whore, even? Or whoredom for whoring sake?
johndiAug 7, 2010
What's interesting to me is a link on this page shows that traditional universities are exploiting students who aren't going to make it either. I had no idea they are taking on so many students who have very little chance of graduating.
ttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/zac-bissonnette/for-profit-colleges-hardl_b_568975.html
nepidaeAug 7, 2010
nice~