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- UK31337, on 03/09/2009, -0/+80As usual, the only people benefiting from this are the pirates.
Good job, music industry. Kicking your own profits in the balls is fantastic for business during a recession after all. - digghasnoethics, on 03/09/2009, -1/+32These are promotional videos for artists songs.
Frankly the PRS and the music industry are lucky to get anything - they need to get a grip. Youtube can do quite well without them, the converse is no so true. - Barton71, on 03/09/2009, -0/+24The music industry overvaluing their product yet again. When will they ever learn? If the music isn't there legitimately it will be there illegitimately and they will not make one red cent.
- harrydeac, on 03/09/2009, -0/+16What the *****...looks like I'm going back to TPB
- Jamminn, on 03/09/2009, -1/+15Well played google for not bending over.
- nobody98, on 03/09/2009, -1/+14The PRS are the clear losers in this case. Good on Youtube for not playing their game.
- dogstylee, on 03/09/2009, -0/+11Why are the PRS trying to make like they're an innocent wounded party. They hassle ordinary people for royalty money for doing stuff like listening to the radio at work. ***** them.
- s1ade, on 03/09/2009, -3/+13The PRS are as bad as the RIAA, they are in it purely for themselves under the pretence of "protecting musicians rights". The upshot is it keeps them (the PRS) all in nicely paid jobs, and the last thing they want to see is music set free. At work we constantly receive letters worded in a threatening manner demanding we get a licence.
- dabeezkneez, on 03/09/2009, -0/+8*Hand to face*
- unitedkronos, on 03/09/2009, -1/+8The PRS should present their case by showing us how much of the money they take goes to the artist(s). They're better than the RIAA, but not by that much from what I hear.
- j035u5, on 03/09/2009, -0/+7***** it, we get spotify anyway
- Naryuu, on 03/09/2009, -0/+7just a greed issue. Hilarious that PRS claims to be "outraged" at youtube when its their own faults for hiking up the royalty rates on youtube.
- abajaj2280, on 03/09/2009, -0/+6go ahead.
people use youtube as an on-demand music library.
they simply search for the song they want and listen to it without having to download it.
remove the video, and they'll start downloading through torrents and p2p programs. - xcrex, on 03/09/2009, -0/+6You guys in the UK can use anchorfree (google it)to view youtube. I'm in Canada and I use it to go on hulu since we are on their blacklist. Some sort of proxy software, not entirely sure how it works but it does!
- borez, on 03/09/2009, -1/+7***** idiot PRS, as an artist and PRS member I have tunes on youtube that I don't want to be taken down. I'd rather somebody was listening to my stuff ( minus royalties ) then not at all.
- squareears, on 03/09/2009, -0/+6There are alternatives to youtube, and because of this new regulation the UK community will start to explore them
- inactive, on 03/09/2009, -1/+6No, PRS is not analagous to the RIAA at all.
The RIAA represents the holders of copyright in sound recordings. PRS is a performing right association, they are the UK equivalent of APRA in Australasia or BMI and ASCAP in the U.S.A.. They represent the people who write music, not the people who own the recordings.
These non-profit associations are one of the ways that musicians and songwriters can actually make money without being beholden to a record company.
Please make an effort to know who your enemy is. - thewoodgnome, on 03/09/2009, -1/+6I'm glad Google decided to ban the videos. Lets hope it hits the PRS where it hurts. It's about 1 thing only GREED!. Pure and simple.
- iticu, on 03/09/2009, -1/+6wut?
- djpray2k, on 03/09/2009, -0/+4Does anyone know how the PRS works? I used to DJ while at Uni and the places I played had to pay for a PRS licence and then one night we had to fill in a sheet of all the music we played because the club thought they were being over charged. To save time we listed most as white labels.
But if we played a track by some random unknown of artist, how do the PRS decide how much he gets? The same question for the likes of the big guns too. I know radio stations may submit playlists but what about shops that play CDs? It seems to be a system that just can't work. - waydee, on 03/09/2009, -0/+4Both parties will lose out because of this.
As far as I can see the only solution other than coming to an agreement would be for Google to bypass the PRS entirely and forge deals with individual members - certainly possible and within their rights but a logistical nightmare. - dvsbastard, on 03/10/2009, -0/+3It happened where I work... we got an angry demand to pay royalties for using a commercial radio station as our hold music. They argued that "we were using their artists music, so we should be paying for the usage"... I then asked them, when would we get paid when our clients inadvertently listened to an ad that the commercial radio station might have been playing at the time?
- jdb1025777, on 03/09/2009, -0/+2I dugg you up so I could bury you twice.
- blipblipbeep, on 03/10/2009, -0/+3Touche!
- beerbarron, on 03/09/2009, -0/+3This is so stupid, how is it that I can view music videos on yahoo music? You Tube I dont blame you, but our regulations are f*****
- pprkut, on 03/09/2009, -2/+5The only people who this effects is legitimate users. Anyone who wants the song that badly is just going to torrent it instead. As someone who bought a few songs last week as a direct result of watching the music videos on YouTube, this is an idiotic idea.
***** THE RIAA! - JivePode, on 03/09/2009, -0/+3***** THE etc.
- zaprowsdower, on 03/09/2009, -2/+4This could hit hard. It's a shame, but youtube is losing its relavence, and fast.
- Jennefah, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2I might get dugg down for this but hell, I need to voice what I think...
I do have major qualms with the heavy handedness we've heard about from organisations like the RIAA. A year ago I was saying "***** THE RIAA, PRS, etc!" with the best of them... because I feel they should not be criminalising the people who are only downloading because they love music.
On the other hand... a website like Youtube is making money from people visiting their site, money from adverts and such. Why should they get easy profits for having someone else's music on their website and not give a fair percentage to the musician? I don't think the musicians aren't the greedy ones here, they just understandably think that if money is being made from their music that don't they deserve a percentage? The PRS are a "not-for-profit" organisation... if a musician weren't signed up to the PRS, Intellectual Copyright Law would involve a user of their music having to contact the musician personally to ask permission to use it. That's why having the PRS is a huge time-saver. Can you imagine radio shows having to ask every songwriter permission for the music they broadcast?
I know musicians who have discovered their music being streamed on a site with ads (where the site owner is making a profit from said ads) while all the while the musician themselves are totally alienated from the process. Is this really fair?
Like I said, my opinion is probably in the minority but my course has included a topic on music law this year so apart from having had a guy from PRS come do a lecture, I've done an alright amount of research on the subject. If you do bury me please reply as to why because I'm not closed-minded to the other side of this argument. - inactive, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2I do understand your comment and it's 100% ignorance with a side order of fail.
If you're not against musicians making money then you should be in full support of performing rights societies as that's exactly what they are - many many music writers combining to enable the blanket licensing of their music.
Beyond admin costs these societies return every cent collected to their members - totally transparently - and that's why almost every music writer in the world is a member of one of these societies.
The society of which I'm a member is a democratic organisation, meaning we as members vote to appoint the board of directors who are responsible for running the society. I don't know if all societies operate in this way but I suspect it is so.
If you are receiving "threatening letters" it's because you are using music in your business. You have to pay a fee to use my music in your (money making) business. You use my music, you pay, they collect and I get paid.
Again, you simply don't know what you're talking about. - doc99, on 03/09/2009, -0/+1Loving Asian women is fine. Putting it as your digg username and then saying it all around digg, is worrying.
- j0hnglist, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2amen
finally somebody had the balls to say it. The reality is, most people have come to expect everything for free from the internet. That doesn't necessarily make it right. Forget the labels and corps, what about the artists themselves? They don't deserve a cut but Google does? - s1ade, on 03/10/2009, -1/+3I didn't say the PRS perform the same function as the RIAA, I said they use the same tactics and the same strong-arm techniques such as overly threatening letters to pressure individuals.
As for being non-profit, I'm sure all the management etc work completely altruistically. Thus my comment about them wanting to keep the status quo.
I'm not against paying for music or musicians making money, I'm against large organizations claiming to care for the little people.
Please make an effort to understand the comment. - Chris1280, on 03/09/2009, -1/+2Yes? We say bloody hell well done. Its weird that you don't.
- Stryke, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1Well this takes the piss... first muting everything and now this. Half the reason I even use YouTube is to quickly sample a song to see what it's like; the PRS totally screwed me out of that little convenience.
Damn I wish YouTube was owned by TPB. :( - Smegzor, on 03/09/2009, -0/+1Performing Wrong Society
- Meocross, on 03/09/2009, -2/+3Keep killing yourself youtube, the more you fail the more p2p prevails.
Seriously where the ***** do you think people are going to go if a video site fails to provide music on the INTERNET? this isnt rock science geniuses. - Brighton38, on 03/10/2009, -1/+2As a full time musican/writer I really rely on PRS royalties to live on. I think they've got this one ( and online licencing in general ) totally wrong but please don't confuse them with the likes of the RIAA. They are genuinely, if misguidedly, trying to help support artists, not screw them for every penny they can get away with.
- MrChunks, on 03/09/2009, -0/+1He said he's worried about you, not that he cared about you.
I care about you, though. - borez, on 03/09/2009, -0/+1Shops, bars, venues etc. Buy a PRS licence and then the PRS distributes that money, minus a fee to all PRS member artists on a pro-rata basis ( i.e. the more plays you get, the more money you get ). It's not exactly rocket science and yes, you do get a cheque and statement every so often, so it does work. It all adds up in the end.
- inactive, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1Or having swap meets with terabyts of hard drives full to exploding with music, movies, games etc....
Setting up a Linux wireless network across cities, dumping gazillions of data into the pool.
Private encrypted PTP that no one but the fortunate can log into..
Push it underground and underground it will go. The further it goes the less any single artist can benefit from it.. - waggy27, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1Probably better to wait a while before using the Anchor Free service, which has recently released an unstable automated update which causes BSODs (at least on Vista). Its also difficult to remove if you decide not to want it anymore - so I would advise against it to be honest! It's called Hotspot Shield by the way.
- darkmagician777, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1This is not news - There is also the reverse true, Some videos are blocked fom USA People too.
ZAZZIE (french) has a video that when I click says " were sorry this video is not available in your country" - inactive, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1Yeah just like that really cool band I stumbled across yesterday which was removed, I wish I could link to it but I can't~!
- evergrim, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1More internet censorship. I'm starting to get worried about the fate of the internet. Maybe one day it won't be good like it is right now.
- Jennefah, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1If you wrote the songs and own them then as the copyright owner you can contact Youtube and tell them you grant permission to have your music videos up there, as far as I'm aware.
- blipblipbeep, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1The internet that corps are offering is almost dead to me. Im going to find another way to get my free content. Hello P2P. More concerts please ill pay more direct to the artists pocket no problem at all. Think of all the people that get employed to make that concert happen, looks like win win to me. Youtube sux now anyway its only good for Charlie the unicorn and the like and thats like what four videos in total. Im over this new controlled internet we have now, I mite go for a walk in the park. Have a good day all.
- Jennefah, on 03/10/2009, -0/+1There's always last.fm, I find that pretty good for sampling new music.
- dansai, on 03/11/2009, -0/+1They haven't taken ours down :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTwO2604wR8
And I completely agree, ***** the PRS! -
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