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- mountie31, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1O&A PARTY ROCK!
both companies have a rough road ahead of them. The startup costs for a satellite radio company are tremendous. Each company has taken different roads in their business strategy. Sirius has pushed technology to the back of the line and focused more on hiring big names, and thus XM has far more technologically superior devices. However, in my opinion, Sirius signed its own death warrant when they signed Stern. He has admittedly been doing "sub-par" radio for the past 10 years, and is continuing to do the same on Sirius. Opie and Anthony are the "true" pioneers of satellite radio. I think XM can continue to win this war, however, they need to improve their programming. Oprah, Ellen, Snoop, MLB, and NASCAR are good commodities, but they need to keep pluggin...
p.s. Happy Birthday Lil' Jimmy - v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, this is a good example of why AM/FM Radio should remain, until these corporations can learn that public airwaves should not require subscriptions when you have to listen to advertisements as well.
We have enough useless information shoved down our throats as it is on TV, the internet, ads everywhere you look in the cities, etc. - iloveaudis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11 billion? what in south african rand?
- muleking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Heff- are you being sarcastic? The Sirius s50 is a joke on like every tech site, it doesn't even get live reception and you can't even record Sterns show in one shot due to the limitations on that piece of junk.
- muleking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Also whats with the "Baba Booey" thing, that was funny in like 1989, let it go.
- MeatFarley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HOOHOO Robin. I invented fanboys. Tell 'em Fred.
- Mach5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've used both systems, and I vastly prefer XM, better music channels and MUCH better hardware. Sirius doesn't even have a portable unit you can listen to live, you actually have to record music before you undock it. LAME!
- thelandlady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When I got satellite radio I looked at Sirius and XM. One look at the radios available for sirius and I was done choosing. I went with XM. In the past two weeks I have had it...I signed up for a full year. It has really been the bets investment in my life. I spend most of my day in my car and even if I had iPod with 2 terabytes of music...I could never get this good of programming by using the shuffle button.
Why is Stern such a big draw now...he was funny maybe 10 yrs ago, bu it is just re-hash of everything he has done. He says he is going to be a pioneer and bring more lesbians on the radio....wait...didn't you already do that?
Oh well...I guess Adam Sandler still has a career so why not him... - iloveaudis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1O&A party rock.
Seriously though, both companies are in it pretty deep, XM technically speaking is far ahead of the game, with nav traffic, live portable units, better coverage. Stuff that would most likely attract people to sign up, Sirus is banking everything on Stern, which is a gamble, but you can't avoid the fact that he is howard and can bring an audience. I dont see both companies merging, i do however see them branching out even more out to the Internet.
billyboobs, i'm with ya.. - Goatweed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1satellite radio is still in its infancy, and XM seems to be gearing itself to be more of a media company than a radio broadcaster (in the long run). XM seems to make smarted business decisions and also pours a LOT of cash into technology r&d.
I use my XM every day, and had given up on terrestrial radio years ago. - NoThnMoreAB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Howard Stern can suck my ass!! I have XM in three cars and i love it. Tons of channels, no commercials on music channels... news, comedy, etc. etc..
It has introduced me to sooo much music that i know for a FACT that i would have NEVER heard on local radio... a lot of it i have gone out and purchased to get the full experience. Plus, XM does a pretty good job of playing both signed and unsigned artists. My main receiver is a Pioneer Digital XM receiver direct into the Pioneer XM ready head unit. all digital till it hits the speakers! ... everyone who has ever sat in my car as wanted a XM receiver. Don't go to MC Donald's tonight and spend that money on Music !!!! - mandi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm actually really fed up with XM myself -- I had it because it came pre-installed in my vehicle with the first 3 months free, and then I continued it because I was honestly enjoying it.
BUT their billing department really made me angry. I had my monthly payments for the service auto-billed to my credit card. My card was expiring 12/05. At the beginning of December, when I got my new card in the mail that had the new expiration date, I went on to XM's website and updated my account information.
... Then at the beginning of February, my XM suddenly stops working. I call them. They say that I stopped paying my bill (!?!!) and that I owe $25 in back payments, plus the payment for February, and ... get this ... a $14.95 re-activation fee. Well HELLO it's not MY FAULT that it got shut off! I updated it on the website -- I was looking AT the website when I was on the phone with the guy. The expiration date I could see was good through 2007 -- on his end it said 2005. It's not MY fault YOUR website doesn't work. But the guy insisted I had to pay for everything, plus the re-activation fee. I said forget it.
Needless to say, I'm NOT a fan of XM anymore. Sirrius has better programming anyway -- so I'm planning to switch. - wireplay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1XM Rocks. Who are you guys kidding?
RAAAMOOOONE, BRING ME ANOTHER PUPPY TO SLAUGHTER! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Baba Booey to you all.
***** Opie and Anthony. Go back to your shanties.
Long live Sirius."
If you're a fan of Mr. Stern, why aren't you a fan of the guys he rips off? - Night201, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love the Satellite Radio Wars.
XM may be in the lead now, but Sirius will win in the long run...just wait...you'll see... - byronm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1XM blows
- terrya64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I bought stock in both of these back when they first started and all I can say is "thank you satellite radio".
- whitesanjuro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0O&A PARTY ROCK!
seriously, XM wins on so many fronts, i cannot believe the ***** lies propagated here.
RAMOOOOOOOOOONE! DARTH VADER HAS AIDS!!! - sremick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For a while I thought I wanted satellite radio. Especially out here in the rural areas, where all the mountains EVERYWHERE make reception of any FM difficult. But some stations I liked were on Sirius, and some on XM, and there was no way I was getting both.
My solution? Podcasts. Takes more work, but my listening while I drive is customized exactly to what I like and I can change the program order on the fly. And it's free. - VulnoX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you have any questions about my information, I would be happy to e-mail you my presentation from my Comp 270 class from last semester where I did a full comparison of XM and Sirius vs. Terrestrial radio. It has all the sources and everything you would need to know to no longer make poor biased reports about the technology.
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@g30oh
I haven't confirmed this (because I have sirius), but I heard C2C is played a couple times a day on XM on the ASK station. A quick search online seems to back this up. - dan0368, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And just so we're all on the same page, Sirius reported a loss of $311 million today for the fourth quarter. Go ahead and look it up if you don't believe me.
ona party rock - vaiod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sirius and XM offer similar music, they offer different talk shows, they both cost $12.95 per month. Sirius has NFL, NBA, Soccer, Stern and Martha. XM has MLB, O&A and Oprah. They both offer similar hardware and both give you streaming music on the web (included). The quality is not as good as CD or MP3, but it is much better than anything in the FM band, and you don't get static.
The people that say they will never pay for radio, are the same people that initially didn't want to pay for cable television, or that wouldn't want to pay for HD content... Once you experience it... you will typically change your tune.
If you haven't experienced it I urge you to really give it a try, as many have said, you will know why so many people do pay for radio. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am a Howard/Bubba/Sports Fan, so Sirius was the obvious choice for me. I have downloaded every song i can think of, but throwing it on a MP3 device and playing it never cut it for me. Since I started listening to Sirius, I never listen to FM radio anymore, I cut my TV time down to a few hours a week, and i get lots of ***** done, best choice i made in years. If you like XM, fine by me, a merger would be a bad idea though, competition is good for us consumers. *****, i made easy 4 grand from the Sirius stock itself, if Xm goes under, so does my potential profit, so I hope they stay prosperous on some level.
- DigiRaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0why do companies insist on over forecasting on how much they will make on each quarter. Pompous morons
- loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I get 20+ hours of Howard, (not including Bubba etc) a week and Oprah will do a 30 min a week radio show for 39 weeks a year! What a deal!"
nazihatinchimp....it maybe a bad deal for the customer who signs up for it but considering all the people XM will get from it....it was a great business decision....you people just do not seem to understand the force that is oprah....I used to work at a book store and trust me if oprah stamped her name on a toilet it would be the hottest selling toilet in the US......
and to those saying sirius and XM are the same technology wise....if I am not mistaken sirius has worse audio quality and at least in the northern states has spotty reception because of the way their satellites circle around up there....and on top of that XM is already starting to move channels to Dolby 5.1 as opposed to stereo..... - electromatic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1turn on Howard 101 at night. set os x to auto start at 5:57am and shut down at 12:03pm. set audio hijack pro to record 6am to 12pm (for west coast feed) and auto update itunes. update ipod at night. listen to it whenever.
xm is the walmart of satellite radio. it's "big city" for the hicks.
who's highpitch? - Ionik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ VulnoX
"You can't even record Sterns show in one shot due to the limitations on that piece of junk."
He said in his original post that you can't record stern in one shot. Hence his argument for having to record it in two blocks. Check your facts tard
- tdmckee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"and the S50 records for longer than anything XM offers."
...until March, when the next generation wearable satellite radios come out, with equivalent stats to the S50 _plus_ live satellite radio feeds _plus_ the option of marking songs you would like to keep and purchasing them from (the new) napster later. I like the last feature best - I can't tell you the number of times I have wanted to write down a song I like and forgot. And XM has a portable "lite" coming out which is identical to the S50, and can only dock and record signal, for a cheaper price.
As for sports, I would prefer listening to the MLB team of my choice as opposed to listening to a NFL game when I could be watching it on Sundays.
Whatever people, choose XM, choose Sirius - both are still losing money, both will have to turn it around, neither is going away or merging anytime soon.
$500 million for 16 hours of Stern a week (no, not 20, at least for much longer - he's not signed on to work Fridays, it'll be a "best of") versus $55 million for 30 minutes of Oprah herself, plus extended coverage from Oprah's friends who get limited facetime on her show - whatever, I could care less, but it is a good marketing move by XM, to be talked about on the biggest talk show on TV.
As for the O&A versus Stern thing - the comments about Stern ripping O&A off are ironic - of course Stern was first, but Stern now is not Stern in 95, when Anthony was on his show. O&A recognize that he is a pioneer in terrestrial radio, of course, but the reason they bash him is because he had a gag order on them while they worked at Infinity, when at the same time he made himself out to be this bastion of free speech who would never resort to dirty tricks to prevent competition. Stern has also admitted to doing 10 years of sub par radio while he bashed the FCC and Bush, while in those same 10 years O&A made a name for themselves, operating under the same FCC rules. O&A bash Stern for a minute fraction of the total 4 hours of radio they do every day, and do it because they are venting for 5 years of backdoor politics that were pulled on them by Howard and his buddy Mel. And O&A don't have to worry about internal censors, while Howard complained about Sirius censorship on his very own show. The price of infamy, I guess.
Neither company is going to "win in the end... you'll see" - both are running on billions in deficit, both are accruing subscribers at equivalent rates - sure, Howard made for a big quarter, but things will settle down now that he isn't getting all that free publicity, both have limited bandwidth, and both are going to continue to generate ways to woo more subscribers in the future, whether it be with better technology (XM) or better content (arguable, but I'll give it to Sirius).
I don't think 90% of stern fans have heard 5 minutes of O&A, and 90% of O&A fans have heard 5 minutes of Stern - whatever. But if you're in NY, apparently you can hear Stern for free still, due to pirate repeaters - and Stern is now asking the FCC to help him quash those... ahh, how amusing - "your enemies become your friends, and your friends become your enemies"
radio wars make for amusing bulletin board flame wars, at least. - freonchill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0anyone thinks their losses are b/c the RIAA got mad @ both of them for allowing download/recording of the "secure digital content" ?!
RIAA said they were going to up their "royalties" from like 5mil a quarter to 270mil b/c of it... looks about their loss this quarter to me... - kindrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sirius. Love it. The music selection is diverse.It's nice to not have to sit through Creed to get to a Flaming Lips track for once. Same goes for Creed fans who hate the lips, except they are in their mid-30s and still harbor a secret fear that their daddies think they're *****. ack I'm an *****, huh?
- g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Since C2C is on regular radio it would be dumb to get XM for it. Unless you're on the road all thru the night driving cross country. If that were me I would probably have both XM and Sirius for Stern and C2C. And then I would feel like a jackass for paying $25 a month for the radio.
- NaziHatinChimp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"If you're a fan of Mr. Stern, why aren't you a fan of the guys he rips off?"
Oh man what is this? Bizzaro world? Is that why Anthony appeared on Stern's show and Howard wouldn't even wipe his ass with O/A toilet paper?
Howard doesn't make his living bashing O/A.
Even people on the O/A board say Opie talks too much about Stern.
Stern spends no time talking about O/A.
Why don't you go to wackbag or call in to O/A and see how far a discussion about LOBSTER girl gets? Hows that for censorship? Howard doesn't tell me what I can and cannot talk about. - MikeCampo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oooh *****!
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Why the HELL are WE talking about Oprah? Who gives a good god damn what she's doing? There are a lot more aging house wives on Digg than I ever suspected! ROFL.
What's next, a digg article on Martha Stewart? - MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
I too steered clear of XM and went for Sirius before there was any rumblings of Howard. I actually don't give a rip about Howard. His show isn't nearly as funny as "Bubba the Love Sponge" which plays after Stern's post show crap.
Anyway, I enjoy Sirius. I can't remember the last time I listened to terrestrial radio (regular radio) for any length of time. Between my iPod and Sirius, I have music covered. One thing I personally would like to see is a station that covers science, and maybe one that covers fringe subjects sort of like George Noory, Art Bell (Coast to Coast). I hope XM dries up so Sirius can take over their content. - fridge2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0fa fa flunky!
- iloveaudis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0right he just wont talk to you..
- NaziHatinChimp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"the oprah deal was a great deal 55 million to get all of oprah's affluent housewives....as opposed to sirius's HALF A BILLION to try and get a college crowd that is generally broke all the time and can not afford satellite radio? bad business decisions my ass......."
I get 20+ hours of Howard, (not including Bubba etc) a week and Oprah will do a 30 min a week radio show for 39 weeks a year! What a deal! - xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@MikeCampo
hahaha, and don't forget the richard bikini wax "it burns, it burns, it buuurrrnnssss!" - g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Agreed all the Sirius hardware sucks balls. I still don't have a home unit because of that. I got a great alpine headunit in my car with sirius/xm and i got the sirius tuner for it.
I just want to listen to Stern and quite frankly I don't give a ***** about the future of satellite beyond Stern. - VulnoX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Loker, I know about the Customer Service, no this was older, about a year or so ago. It may have even not been JD, but it was along those lines, one of those general award companies. Sirius is known for better EQ, awards aside, even XMFan.com has threads that talk about it.
Its not even worth arguing about, its just a well known thing. XM isnt deathly worse or anything, but in many genre's of music, the EQ for Sirius outperforms XM consistantly. - g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's always obvious that the people who hate Stern have never actually listened to his show. Or maybe you heard 5 minutes and think you've heard the show. Do us all a favor and stick your head back in the sand with Sean Hannity.
- loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Actually Loker, Sirius has BETTER quality, JD Power gave them top honors for EQ, XM is known to have worse. " that has nothing to do with sound quality they were given an award for their customer service.....
- g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Heck, I chose XM because they *didn't* get Howard Stern."
Clearly you have a baseball bat up your ass. That's just stupid. I can understand signing with one or the other because one of them has something the other doesn't, but likewise if Stern were not a factor and I was only looking for commercial free music, the decision should be based on cost, availability and quality.
Then I could say I chose Sirius because they *didn't* get Oprah. That doesn't mean I have a stick up my ass, it means I'm a reasonably thought out person. :) - loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0g30ph I never said stern was bad....I used to listen all the time....
and to those underestimating Oprah's power look at the crop circles the aliens have made her!
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.225456,-111.595806&spn=0.004163,0.006781&t=k&hl=en - g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Lyph3
""Baba Booey to you all.
***** Opie and Anthony. Go back to your shanties.
Long live Sirius."
If you're a fan of Mr. Stern, why aren't you a fan of the guys he rips off?"
Yeah and Johnny Carson was actually ripping off Jay Leno. -
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