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- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't work for the RIAA, I don't even know what I would be doing there if I did. I just don't like foaming-at-the-mouth zealots from either end, and come from a middle ground that mosts around here can't even imagine anymore. I like to keep my ability to call ***** for what it is intact, regardless of popular opinion.
If she was infringing on the RIAA's copyrights, I want the RIAA to win.
If the RIAA actually 'h4x0r3d' her computer, or they're just making up IPs now, I want her to win.
As it stands, her countersuit is mostly BS except for the fact that her ISP might have logged her IP incorrectly, and I doubt the RIAA is stupid or desperate enough to start suing randomly generated IPs.
Also, like I said, the RICO case is interesting and might have some merit, but not a slam dunk. Having your own extortion agency, I mean collection agency, does seem like it's pushing it, but then again, they aren't fostering what's causing this.
They are defending their IP rights, and you're the one that's breaking them. They threathen you with a lawsuit, which costs you money whether you settle or fight, but this isn't like the Mafia that would burn your store down if you didn't pay protection money. You poked the sleeping dog, and he's just woken up. The court systems themselves are flawed, and I'm not going to start blaming the users of that system for that. - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1An Email I sent to her Lawyer:
>>Hi!, I'm a user of Digg.com, the tech news site. And I noticed that you're client got on the front page! Not only that, but many of the comments on the story requested an online tipjar. You would be surprised at how much community support is given by Digg & Other web sites. If you were to set up a paypal.com tipjar, (not a hard thing to do), and promote it adequately (by submitting/planting a well written story on Digg, from which the news will propogate very fast!) I'd say you'd be able to raise $20,000 minimum, possibly much more, within two or three days, to help you fight the battle against the RIAA. There are many avid RIAA haters on this large board of users.
Personally, I'd suggest that you ask for the price of a CD, as a symbolic thing, but take what you can get.
What's in it for me? Well, I'm not able to give you any money, so I just thought I'd help out. :)
Wish you the best of luck. - veneficus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, suing them under RICO. I like that. I like that a lot.
For the uninitiated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICO_%28law%29 - Neptuned, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I hope she ***** sues them and wins.
- cowgomoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Please let this go to trial.
Please let this go to trial.
Please let this go to trial.
Probably just wishful thinking but seeing the RIAA losing to a disabled single mom on social security would give me warm fuzzy feelings all over. - spirus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So first it says: "a 41 year old disabled single mother"
And then: "42-year-old single mother"
??? - Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not going to get involved in the "DOWN WITH TEH ARGH EYE AY AY" banter, but I will point to this:
"A minor for whom she was responsible stole music. Stupidity is not legitimate grounds for defense. The mother should have been held accountable."
honeycut, c'mon. I had two of the most in-everything-you-could-possibly-consider-doing parents, and I still discovered the joys of internet pornography at age 11, and was probably addicted for the majority of my high school career. Do you honestly think that a disabled woman is going to be able to keep her daughter from downloading the music?
Also... I find fault in that statement, on a legal grounds. Say, for example, you had a 13 year old son, and he stole three CD's from a local music store, would you be charged with shoplifting? - Trepan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0But where is Oregan?
- darkness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+01. The RIAA needs to get their asses handed to them somehow.
2. As much as I hate them they're not doing anything illegal. They get your IP by attempting to download protected files from your computer. The IP is logged and passed through a whois to see which ISP owns it. They file suit saying that their (really the artists who they stole it from fair and square) intellectual property is being stolen in order to get your information from your ISP. If your ISP is nice they'll tell you when this happens. If not, you get the letter from the RIAA. I could do the same thing right now if I had proof that you stole something of that nature from me. There is no "h4x0r" component.
3. The RIAA is charging the woman because she has ownership of the computer and internet connection and the kid is too young to be responsible. Because analogies are fun: if someone stole your car and used it to rob a bank it wouldn't be your fault. If your 11 year old kid stole your car and used it to rob a bank you would be at fault for not looking after your car, kid, and combination of the two.
p2p networks where you share with friends only and not with people you don't know? I don't know, that sounds like thinking...
Oregonians Oregan organs in Oregon. :P - xile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think they could have picked someone worse to sue.
- xioner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lets hope something good comes of this
- Ambimom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For those RIAA stooges commenting here, this suit has merit and you all know it! The jig is up. Figure out a way to cope with the new paradigm for distributing music and stop harrassing people for being practical. It reminds me of the movie industry haranguing people for watching television during the 1950s. They had to accept that the world had moved on and so will the RIAA. Of course the MPAA is re-learning that lesson now too.
- Forse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If more and more people will be sued then more and more people will use alternative p2p protocols which employ server-less (KAD for example) communication methods and have strong encryption. Here are some examples:
http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/
http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
As users move to applications like these it will require a LOT more work to gain any kinda of information about downloaders which will result in very few lawsuits and will not be at all profitable.
P.S. If they want to sue someone they should sue people distributing child pornography on p2p networks. - SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"....The Industry dont give a ***** about you
but The Industry couldn't make a dime without you."
"The average ***** makes like 26cents off a mother ***** record"
DMX - The industry ... A song you'll probly never hear on an album
I cant stand when people stand up for the RIAA. It's not about the artists, it's not about the fans, it's about The nice people at the RIAA making a buck... and it's sickening. - Tom_Riddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0BOO-YA DIE RIAA DIE. and BTW. I Steal Music of the Internet.
- jumjum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sounds like near extortion to me, hopefully the RIAA can be shut down due to this for mafia-like destructive frivolous activity, or the way they sue their potential customers can be regulated. There are definitely some TOSs being violated and lines being crossed here.
- valenciastudent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The record company will settle this before it ever sees the light of day. They know how much money they make through scared Moms and Dads settling, and just the "fear" that downloading music will have you thrown in Jail.
It's great to see people standing up for their rights, but she will drop her suit immediately when the 6 figure setttlement comes in from the RIAA. Thus, their scare campaign will still work, and the politicians are still going to find ways to make sharing both LEGITIMATE and illegitimate stuff online harder and more costly. - craigtheguru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm glad this woman is willing to take a stand, and rightfully so! Don't let them push you around.
Where is the defense fund? I would love to contribute. - chrishavel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"after she was identified with a nine digit code (an Internet Protocol Address (“IPA�))"
12 digit? Or are they just using the last three octets? - Twenty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bah, RIAA has too much money to be worried about 'laws' and such! Pfsht.
- BurntToast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good for her! Hopefully this will put the nail in the coffin and show the world that what the RIAA is wrong and illegal.
The RIAA's activities is no better then those of CAMCO (another "company" that also tries to scam folks)... shame on them! - thepope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this will be setteled out of court and we will never see our divine justice.
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey, just got done downloading a few movies and albums, wanted to check digg and go ahead and say '***** you' to RIAA. I got your files right here buddy!
***** YOU RIAA. You're goin down, bitch! - Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0She needs to take this a step further and contact her local District Attorney so they can criminally prosecute these people.
- 703_KN33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wow, this makes me hate the RIAA even more.
- Nessguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I just looked at your link veneficus... RICO looks good :)
- belcorriko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Could people please stop with the "leet speak"?? Just say Hacked... 'h4x0r3d' looks... well, it looks awful.
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The RICO aspect of this case is interesting, and they may be onto something here. The "Settlement Support Center" appears to be little more than an industry supported and sponsored collection agent. The method appears to be sending letters accusing of file sharing, then the Center attempts to collect money with the line "pay $3000 now or we will sue you, and you can't afford to defend yourself."
Humm, sounds like racketeering to me. If this does go to court, and RICO is successfully applied the RIAA won't be around much after that. - VampJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Finally! There is justice in the world!
- SonjaKelli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If all else fails, at least the word is out and people know it's possible to stand-up to the RIAA.
- joehodgson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I honestly don't understand how they can justify seeing who downloads what without permission, its digital trespassing
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0YEAH! Stick it to the man! ***** the RIAA!
- garf12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree with jasqwerty, something about this story doesnt smell right.
- Gringo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So basically if I understand this right, RIAA is paying someone to hack into our computers and take information from it? Because this person or persons call themselves a "Security Company" that makes it legal?
If I call myself a "security company" and say I am just collecting data, can I then legally hack? - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Oregon; come for the strip clubs"
Yeah, come for the butch-dyke women of Portland, who can easily and routinely cresh men in their bear-like theighs. Some of the ugliest women I've ever seen are in the Northwest. I don't know what it is about this place. - IraqManiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0riaa is teh s uck
- f1gm3nt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Once again the RIAA shows how greedy they are.
- Acill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good for her. For all of you supporting the RIAA you have no idea what they do to the groups making the music. They dont pay them *****. They make more money then you can ever know. Look at itunes music. They didnt care when it first came out. All they saw was a easy way to make some more cash. Now they have the balls to say ipods sell more then ever because they allow Apple to sell the music? Right! I say the music sells because Apple does it right! Screw the RIAA and the MPAA. They can both rot in hell.
- xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good For Her, RIAA needs to die.
- AuAndCs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0RIAA:
*slams fist on desk*
WE ARE ABOVE THE LAW!
(ten points for the 1337 haxor that can id reference!) - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0JKFAN>> They have every right to prevent people from stealing, and to sue the owners of the computers who do steal.
Very true, however they do NOT have the right to trawl through all of America's (or the world's) internet access records just to check allegations of stolen music. Nor do they have the right to create false records, harrass people, and generally ***** around. This is not on, and the person involved also has every right to complain, especially as they did not steal anything.
I see it like this. The RIAA has a guilty conscious. It's been stealing $$ from artists for many years now. So, it's just assuming that everyone is stealing from it, and 'arranging the facts around the verdict'. - astyler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i understand how much we internet users despise the riaa, but just stop and think. just because millions of people steal from someone doesn't make them right. there is a quote from Red vs. Blue that applies here,
"Does anyone have the new Creed CD?"
"I have it."
"Give it to me. Right now."
"Give it to you? Why would I do that?"
"You're not giving it to me! Give it to me faster!"
"Wait. That's illegal."
"No it isn't. I don't want it to be illegal. Therefore it isn't. That's the way it works."
Just because we want to distribute music illegally doesn't make it right. As you steal from the RIAA, what they do is legal. However, if the digital trespass allegations are true, which I doubt, then the evidence used against her was gained illegally and her case is valid. The RIAA should only go down if they are using illegal practices.
(and it is not just the RIAA or the artists losing money!, everyone in the entertainment business is losing money--when movie sales go down because of illegal distribution, even tech crew suffer and jobs are lost.)
I mean, we all wish we could get ice cream for free instead of paying for it. So why don't we just ignore the law? If everyone steals ice cream, then it's no longer illegal. And if people try to make locking freezers to keep ice cream secure and dairy cows employed, they are a bunch of bastards. - rookieone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hope she wins like that other guy that went vs. microsoft...man these are the days.
- Assiez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes!
- honeycut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A minor for whom she was responsible stole music. Stupidity is not legitimate grounds for defense. The mother should have been held accountable.
It would appear the RIAA employed questionable and probably illegal means to identify her and establish their case. They should also be held accountable. - Tom_Riddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0pardon me - Off*
- NexFlamma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oregon; come for the strip clubs, stay for the rebellious litigation against our corporate opressors!
- ihatepedro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0fight the power.
- M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0*big ass smile*
- antiTRACE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Could people please stop with the "leet speak"?? Just say Hacked... 'h4x0r3d' looks... well, it looks awful.
Not that I support it, but that's the idea. -
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