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- bowe, on 02/10/2008, -0/+35Without this deal going through, it's clear that the RIAA already operates as a cartel. How else do you explain CD prices continuously going up, despite numerous advances in technology? How much price competition do you see between Universal and Sony?
- frasermoo, on 02/10/2008, -1/+23all the more reason to listen to independent music instead of the lame-ass crap these big boys churn out.
- starfisch, on 02/10/2008, -3/+24***** the RIAA
- Justice101, on 02/10/2008, -1/+15I paid $25 for a CD once, it had about 3 decent songs on it. This was before online music stores, and as much as I like having something physical that I can hold in my hands, that price is just ridiculous. It's almost as stupid as stores bundling bad games with good consoles to force you to buy them.
- inactive, on 02/10/2008, -0/+13"U.S. law often comes down hard on price fixing" LMAO HAHAHAHA let me catch my breath.
gas companies. cable companies phone companies, etcetcetc - inactive, on 02/10/2008, -0/+11You must live in some kind of Clear Channel blind spot.
- crownedgriffin, on 02/10/2008, -0/+10Who needs a tape? If you're listening to the radio, they'll just play the same ten tired songs again after the next 15 minute commercial break.
- SemiSarcastic, on 02/10/2008, -2/+11I do.
- goldenratiophi, on 02/10/2008, -0/+9I paid $4 for a CD once, and it had 12 awesome songs on it.
It was used. - K4Lic0, on 02/10/2008, -7/+16Wait, people still buy CD's?
- schnikies79, on 02/10/2008, -0/+9They want more than money, they want control of the distribution.
They won't be happy until they have control music from the mic to the listener. - Chiliap2, on 02/10/2008, -1/+9Its called an oligopoly. How much price competition do you see between Pepsi and Coke? Its all about advertising and product differentiation.
- spc4, on 02/10/2008, -0/+8
nothing like a 90min casset and youe fave radio station.
- JasonMath, on 02/10/2008, -0/+7Actually, artists (from the major labels) earn very little money. On average, the royalties they receive per record about about 1 cent on the dollar. Therefore, for an artist to earn $30,000 from a CD (at $15/album), he/she must sell 200,000 copies. Independent labels give a lot more money to the artists. There was one independent label selling only about 1000 copies of an album at a convention, yet there were still able to give 40% of the album price to the artist. There is absolutely no excuse for a big record label to not be able to give a decent amount of money to the artists.
- lougoose, on 02/10/2008, -2/+8Can someone please tell me why all of these companies want to destroy the very thing that is making them a crapload of money (rapidly approaching the sales of physical CDs)? Steve Jobs and Apple did it right and have given the record labels a plenty good deal, and now that they are making money, they want to get rid of it.
The only thing getting rid of iTunes will do is increase piracy. End of story. - Marmeladov, on 02/10/2008, -0/+6I don't.
- cr42yr1ch, on 02/10/2008, -0/+5$25 is nothing, try living in the UK - new albums can often be £17 - £18.
- goldenratiophi, on 02/10/2008, -0/+5Of course! Do you expect me to burn albums on DVDs?
- schnikies79, on 02/10/2008, -1/+5There are other stations other than "top 10" stations. We have classic rock, oldies, top 10, mixed, etc.
You go days on some radio stations and not hear the same song twice. - worthone, on 02/11/2008, -0/+3I'm wondering why these particular businesses gain government protection? It seems especially odd for a country such as USA to restrict competition. Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I just don't understand, explain me – I'm from Europe, by the way.
- adooga, on 02/10/2008, -0/+3gudiablo, that's the biggest pile ***** I've seen today.
Artists are rich? You don't know any artists, do you? Look around, there are literally millions of artists selling their songs for cheap and giving them away for free - they are not getting rich doing it. - kidlinux, on 02/10/2008, -2/+4All the time.
- RetlawST, on 02/10/2008, -1/+3Why should we help an industry that is killing itself and has no intentions of "helping" the consumer? With technology as it is, small and locally produced albums have the ability to sound as good or better than the over-produced crap that major labels are putting out. There is no reason to help them out and we as consumers will get better music as soon as they're gone.
- samdu, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2In general, CDs offer much better sound quality than downloaded tracks, regardless of where you've downloaded them. In general.
- KungFuJesus, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2hey samdu, i think that he was kidding...
- Spuy767, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2Yeah, but the tape back then didn't have the data density of the The tape today. Seriously though, I wouldn't trade a reel to reel for anything when it comes to rich analog sound. Digtal recording is cold and lacks the warmth and TBH resolution of analogue. The above statement was more for emphasis than an exact parallel.
- OpaqueMurdock, on 02/10/2008, -0/+2If people really want to see an end to the music industry as we know it, then they should seek out and SUPPORT artists that are 100% independent. Hand the power to the people that have refused to make content under the old system. Most independents freely distribute their work hopping that people will see the worth of it and pay a modest amount to help them cover costs and continue. But the number of people that actually come through is very small. Without the economy of scale that the large old school record companies have, a handful of people chipping in a few cents now and then won't cut it and most of these often very talented people simply give up, go get a job doing something they are less good at, and no progress is made.
Please consider... thanks. - gudiablo, on 02/10/2008, -4/+6Artist earn enough money already , only this mega corp like Sony etc..
are the ones tryin to over price the entertaiment business ..if artist wil sell there songs online directly with out any corp as an intermediary with about .10 a song they will be rich (still).. - bratpack8, on 02/10/2008, -0/+2First you have to understand that a trade ONLY occurs if BOTH parties believe they are getting something better in return than what they are giving up. In a free-market, if a company tries to raise their prices too high, people will naturally find alternatives to that product or service. Economics is not rocket science.
- Spuy767, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2I good recording set up would run you about ten grand. Course, you'd have to have natural talent, you wouldn't be able to go in later and make it sound like you didn't suck after the fact. Think about it. If albums like Axis: Bold as Love could be recorded on what was essentially a mantz four track tape deck, I should think we'd be able to make some music that didn't suck ***** on reasonably priced hardware without all the overhead.
- bdbr, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2Pepsi and Coke are constantly put on sale by resellers, and that's where the price competition comes in. How often has iTunes put music on sale?
- TheConman, on 02/10/2008, -1/+3I can't read.
- Spuy767, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2::Cough:: iTunes/iPod ::Cough::
- doctor49152, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2Or the Oil companies setting up a to set the price of gas to whatever they want and use any excuse to justify that price.
Oh.... um... nevermind - Spuy767, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2Woooooosh!
- capiCrimm, on 02/10/2008, -0/+2That overpriced ***** is such a rip off. Bottled water has so much more bang for the buck.
- adooga, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1I agree with the thrust of your comment, but I gotta point out that the "4 track" machines that albums like Axis:Bold as Love were recorded on were pretty serious hardware, not at all like a 4 track tape deck. We're talking about big old beautiful sounding valve powered desks and big, fat reels of tape - probably 1" or 2" wide, I'm not sure exactly - but it's got nothing to do with the ***** little cassette machines that we know today as "4 tracks".
- OpaqueMurdock, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't see that I contradicted myself in any way. Let me simplify my position for you.
A. Independent artists=good
B. Big old school record companies=bad
C. People buy from major labels not because its "good music" but because they are easy to manipulate. (note: I didn't say that I am easy to manipulate... I am not.)
What part of that seems "weak and easily led" to you? I assume you miss understood something I said, because you make no sense. - astrotrain, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1I stopped buying years ago, and I only purchase high quality DRM free music (no not from iTunes, thats just renting low quality, DRM infested music).
I am happily enjoying eMusic and AmazonMp3... both high quality music, and I can play my music on what every I want without having to tell the seller. - inactive, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1And what is the difference between the record industry getting together to fix prices, and the banking industry creating the Fed and fixing interest rates?
- astrotrain, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Its interesting to see how the RIAA justifies the pricing of making a CD album (but by now we know how much the price is really, and its under a $1.00 to burn, and package a CD). So these outlandish prices are merely pulled out of the RIAA's ass. Its time to just stop buying CD based albums, and stop renting your music from iTunes, and go back to independent artist support or a 'pay if you like' system.
If this was done, then the existence of the RIAA would just fade away, leaving artists to choose how they want to market their music, for anyone to play their music where ever they want to (DRM would be a thing of the past). - astrotrain, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Years ago... I enjoyed shopping at used CD shoppes... but since then they have disappeared, and you have artists (i.e. Garth Brooks) who cried foul about not getting paid full price for a used CD. But now
I can just shop anytime of the day, no more CD's to find room for (back up all my MP3s to DVD). - Spuy767, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1I don't know, but we should all know that the government has a serious boner to prop up industries that are unable to adapt aging business models to new technological paradigms.
- bdbr, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Nobody said anything about getting rid of iTunes. They're looking for "an attractive iTunes alternative" (quoted from the article). This should stimulate competition and make online music sales a serious business. There are two competitors with iTunes now - eMusic and Amazon, and both are cheaper than iTunes.
- bdbr, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I'm daft enough to pay people to give me good music. By paying them, I enable them to keep making it. Of course, it won't be coming from RIAA labels.
- bdbr, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1If you look at the sales numbers from 2007, about 80-85% was CDs. That's down from 90% in 2006.
You DO realize that this article had nothing to do with CDs, though...? - bdbr, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1As long as they fund the RIAA thugs, I really have no interest in what these labels have to offer.
- diggdiggerid, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Yet the government doesn't seem to care when it's getting a cut of the deal. See: Florida Power and Light.
- lougoose, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Yeah...they want to weaken iTunes. That is what competitors do. They compete. Since basically nothing is competing (at least very successfully), they want to weaken it.
- astrotrain, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Don't forget Apple, Yahoo Music, etc... they are also in that DRM Orgy with RIAA and Congress.
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