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- Rahodeb, on 11/05/2007, -13/+101Plus, I like popping a record into my car record player and jamming out on a long road trip. I mean, who needs cd's. Plus, I just remember where each song break is on the record and move the needle there when I want to, it elevates song changing to an art form. I am sooo cool.
- Seph7, on 11/02/2007, -11/+69So audiophiles don't like barely noticeable compression that allows you to fit CD's on iPods cause they sound bad. But pops on records are amazing and make it sound more personal. You people are ***** up
- patthew, on 11/03/2007, -19/+71While a lot of people will say that there's a huge quality difference between vinyl and CD, I think you'd really find that on most consumer end stereos the difference is negligible.
That being said, I still find the whole vinyl listening experience much more fulfilling than listening to a CD. I love seeing the album art full sized, and I don't care who you are but those damn pops make it so much more personal feeling. Plus everybody loves making their favorite band sound like the chipmunks, which is done much more easily with a record than with any other format. - puddlegum, on 11/05/2007, -16/+56I would agree! Vinyl will outlive the CD. It has outlived every other music media. Vinyl + digital download will cover not only the consumer but the collector as well.
- jeremyduffy, on 11/01/2007, -11/+46Oy. Audiophiles.
CDs are cheap, durable, and can be filled with music in just a minute or two. They also have dual use as data storage and backup. It's because of this that they won't go away until something better comes along.
What you'll actually find is that small memory devices are going to replace CDs (as soon as they get a little cheaper). No normal person cares about vinyl (and I bet most people under 20 don't even know what it is).
This is just like when I tried to convince my photographer friend that people would stop using film (which has happened). - ScornForSega, on 10/30/2007, -15/+48Meh, this is a bunch of crap. Most people don't give two ***** about sound quality. As evidence, I present all the damn 128k mp3s you find on the net. They simply can't hear the difference.
Can vinyl sound better than a CD? Definitely. Are people going to put forward the extra effort of dealing with vinyl to experience that quality? I seriously doubt it. - HollowMarkeD, on 11/02/2007, -4/+31Its nice an all, but there are a few statements in the article that are plain not true
"Another reason for vinyl's sonic superiority is that no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove, Nyquist's theorem to the contrary." Fact remains a human can listen between 20-20,000Hz, psychoacoustics means doubling that will be indistinguishable from reality, then they add a bit on top just to be sure i.e. 44.1kHz, the CD. So sound quality isn't a good argument.
However, for having a thing to cherish, love and to hold Vinyl is great and I use it at home whenever I have time to relax and go through the ritual of brushing dust off the grooves :)
they really should get out of the loudness war on CD's its ruining their sound and I'd cite that as more a reason they are getting less popular; at the moment a lot of CD's have as little bit rate as 128 MP3's - Tyr7BE, on 11/01/2007, -8/+34Most people who collect vinyl won't be skipping any tracks. I don't have a collection, but I know a lot of people who do, and they unanimously agree that one of the best parts of the vinyl experience is choosing the record to play and playing it to its completion. It's the same mentality that prevented foobar2000 from having a song progress slider for the longest time. If you're listening to music, you're going to listen to it the proper way, not like some kid with a 20 second attention span. You listen to the album in the way it was intended to be, not just playing your favorite tracks, and not skipping to that really catchy part of the song. It's almost a ritualistic thing - you commit yourself to the record and don't change it until it's finished. If you don't understand this, then vinyl probably isn't for you, and you're more likely to gravitate towards the CD. Keep in mind, it was the ability to easily skip tracks that led to the whole 'two good songs and 12 filler tracks' mentality that has wormed its way into modern music production.
As for cars, do people seriously still play CDs in their cars? Just about everyone I know has moved on to MP3 players and RCA jacks. - HappyScrappy, on 11/02/2007, -6/+29*****.
Vinyl has to be manually started, stopped and flipped over. And they stopped making changers for them in the 70s. And you can't play them in the car.
It's a remote control world. - Phyltre, on 10/30/2007, -3/+25I find it disturbing when increased flexibility in an entertainment medium is somehow portrayed as a downfall. It's what old fogeys have been doing for thousands of years--"Back in the day, we didn't skip tracks! We sat down, cleared our schedule, and took it all in as the artist intended...a solid block of music! And we liked it! You kids and your track preferences...listenin' to the musics and the skippin' with the jello and the pudding..."
- Winters, on 10/30/2007, -9/+31That leads to another point. If there was REALLY a market for vinyl other than DJ's and fanboys, don't you think the recording industry would be all over it?
- bryantee, on 11/10/2007, -2/+24Did you bother reading the article? Lots of vinyl comes with coupons to redeem the album in a digital format online. Winning combo I think.
- MiDri, on 11/02/2007, -1/+22Audiophile... that exactly why it will never be mainstream -- most of the population are not audiophiles and vinyl is just to inconvenient.
- liquidhalcyon, on 10/29/2007, -0/+20There are a couple of ways. USB record players or Using an audio capture card and software are popular.
- griz, on 10/30/2007, -2/+22Amateur!! With the record in your car, you just hit the right combination of bumps to get it to go to the track you desire.
- FlashBazbo, on 10/30/2007, -1/+18"Plus everybody loves making their favorite band sound like the chipmunks"
ZOMG, you've just articulated the absolute bestest, most terrifically amazing argument for vinyl!
And I'm dead serious about this. - ISurfTooMuch, on 10/30/2007, -4/+20Yeah, the same way they were way out in front on the digital download thing. Yep, they saw that one coming years before it became popular.
- SkippyDoorknob, on 10/30/2007, -0/+13I want a front-loading vinyl record slot on my computer!
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -6/+19Vinyl will outlive the CD but will never be mainstream as the headline implies.
Its day has come and gone. - banq59, on 10/29/2007, -1/+14And Nyquist's theorem for sampling rate is only used to determine the minimum needed sampling rate for a given frequency. Why this is mentioned in the article at all is baffling.
- chrispen, on 10/30/2007, -2/+14Do you have dialup? Because with most broadband it probably takes less time to download a lossless album than it does to drive to a store, find what you are looking for, purchase it, and then drive back home.
- jd72277, on 10/30/2007, -1/+12if you are "old school" shouldn't you already have a turntable?
- techmaster, on 10/30/2007, -2/+13Records sound better than CD's, WHEN THEY ARE NEW. But after you've listened to a record many times, because a needle physically makes contact with the record surface, the record's quality degrades. A CD simply has a light beam reading it, there's no physical contact. If you treat a CD well, it will far outlast a record, and 10+ years later it will sound as good as the day you bought it. THAT is why they switched to digital formats in the first place. The only reason records still exist is because the hands-on physicality of the medium makes it easier for DJ's to queue songs. Next, somebody is going to try to claim that the Victrola players are making a comeback.
- honus, on 11/01/2007, -1/+12I'm a race car driver.
Right after I read his comment I looked for a Ford GT on Craigslist. - DangerMouse9, on 10/30/2007, -14/+24There are grooves of silence on the vinyl so you can tell where the song breaks are.
- Kyderdog, on 10/31/2007, -5/+15Wax Cylinders have alway a better sound than Vinyl... I think Wax Cylinders will kill the CD.... Buried
- minorthreat, on 10/30/2007, -1/+10vinly has RCA outs. Convert that to a 3.5mm jack with a $2 cable found at radioshack. Which plugs into your computers sound input. Record the sound using windows sound recorder.. or your favorite fancy pants audio software that you paid $200 for. Then use your favorite software to covert .wav to .mp3...hell you may even be able to skip that step.
I'm honestly suprised a digg user would not be able to do this with a blind fold on. Whats next? How do I plug my xbox into the TV? - burnttoast11, on 10/30/2007, -2/+10If CD's do die, it's not going to be because vinyl. Ridiculous.
- Drexus, on 10/29/2007, -1/+9I'm all for the record. I would suggest a new LP format to combat the digital control age. A high density LP the size of a 45. Standards would specify that the player find the edge on it's own and read some encoded information as to the position of all the tracks. So the user can simply tell it to skip to the next song - reducing the chance of damage.
- edicius, on 10/29/2007, -1/+9How are you "techie" enough to be on digg, and not know how to do that?
- dafragsta, on 10/30/2007, -1/+9The recording industry hasn't been out in front of anything since they had a hand in killing the public domain.
- VictoryGin, on 10/30/2007, -0/+8You shouldn't stack your records... it's bad for them
- ISurfTooMuch, on 11/01/2007, -0/+8You could even eliminate the stylus entirely. There's absolutely no reason the tracks can't be read by a laser instead. That would prevent the album from being worn down each time it's played.
In fact, I believe such a turntable was already developed. I seem to remember seeing one on sale years ago. - betobeto, on 10/29/2007, -1/+9Mainstream? Definitely not again. Healthy niche market? More like it.
- maxsunset, on 10/30/2007, -1/+9"at the moment a lot of CD's have as little bit rate as 128 MP3's"
What? This makes no sense!
Music mastered for CD's gets compressed to be louder, data compressed a-la mp3s. The actual data streaming off of a playing CD is uncompressed. Different definitions of compression. - subwoffers, on 10/30/2007, -0/+7Don't you just love the awesome album cover art, posters and inserts they came with?
- Hittman6, on 11/02/2007, -0/+7This is nonsense. The only reason some vinyl sounds better (for the first few plays) is because it's more carefully produced, not mashed/crushed down into a "louder" mix like too many CDs are. CDs have MORE dynamic range than vinyl, and, properly produced, can sound better than a record ever could.
Those who claim the vinyl sounds "warmer" are either listening to a poorly produced CD, or fooling themselves, something audiophiles are VERY good at. - SocialPoison, on 10/29/2007, -0/+7If you already own a decent record player:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/mp3/85fb/
And if you don't:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/mp3/90a0/ - therightclique, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6the composition is all in you. the camera has ZERO bearing on the composition. if you know what "composition" means.
- Tyr7BE, on 11/02/2007, -2/+8When you read a book, you have to manually go buy the book, open the covers, and turn the pages. And you can't read a book on any computer. I'll call ***** on anyone who says books will make any sort of comeback against eBooks.
It's an Internet world. - parkerhiggins, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6I think I saw the same one. It was $15k. Until that comes down (which it would, of course) I don't think it really has any place except in the audiophilest of households.
- scottschiller, on 11/05/2007, -0/+6Vinyl I think has been reduced to a "specialist" format these days - primarily DJs, collectors and lastly (and most amusingly,) audiophiles. I'm a DJ and have a decent collection of records because I enjoy the hands-on format and mixing music that way, but I have found some quality issues with records. They won't be replacing CDs or MP3s due to the convenience factor, and the average person isn't terribly picky about music quality from an audio perspective. The dynamic range (most quiet to most loud sound volumes possible) and digital-ness of CDs mean they never lose quality, as opposed to records - so ultimately, they win, "loudness war" arguments aside.
Nifty BBC thing on this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic/distribution/ ...
There's a term, "Inner Groove Distortion", which refers to the way in which a record quality degrades as the needle moves toward the inner-most parts of a record. High-pitched sounds, "C", "S", "T" letters, cymbals, high-hats and so on are some of the most noticeable elements which are audibly distorted, sort of like when you have a radio station slightly out-of-tune. (Radio sometimes exhibits this phenomenon by itself I think, due to its own frequency response limitations.)
Getting back to the record realm, I have noticed that some records are pressed or produced better than others and sound quality varies - some have little or no noticeable IGD, whereas others are terrible. I still like the hands-on aspect of DJing and mixing records, and I guess I'm willing to accept some format limitations in exchange for the "real thing." (Even if it was some trip-hop band that was recorded digitally in the first place, then pressed on wax, etc.. amusingly enough.)
Oh and digg me down if you must, but there was a green-themed site about 10 years old that had some quite informative comments on this same article just today, for anyone who's interested. - thecontinental, on 11/01/2007, -1/+7Sorry, I'm from the days of vinyl and if I never had to handle a record, buy/change out the needle cartridge, flip a record to the other side or worry about scratches and pops it would be fine with me. Yeah I can hear the difference and know that a cd can be scratched and an mp3 can be lost. The crappy mp4's from iTunes sometime shred (new foo fighters anyone?) and they can sound kind of harsh..but the ease of downloading, burning to cd, playing from an iPod, burning an mp3 disk for the car out weighs a bit of sound improvement. I figured that the vinyl fad would come back and that's cool for those who have not experienced it...but for me you can have it. I was done with vinyl when I bought Steely Dan's Gaucho cd in '88.
- FreakyT, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6But remember, since we're now in the digital age, it should also have a complex DRM scheme. For example, the record's encoded information could include a unique ID which is bound to the first turntable on which it is played.
Also, it self destructs if you try to bypass the encoded section. - WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -7/+13Lies!! Even your vaunted "digital lossless files" will never be able to imitate those wondrous hissing/crackling sounds you get with vinyl!! Music just isn't as enjoyable it isn't overlaid by the sound of a cat losing a fight to a bowl of Rice Crispies ;)
- chsbrgr, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6On a $50 turntable that 'original' format is going to sound like a wood chipper.
- WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -0/+5I thought the coupons were a fantastic idea... It's nice to know that some bands are actually still in touch with their fan base.
- HollowMarkeD, on 10/30/2007, -0/+5I''m sure top professionals do do that, but (I guess) thats more to do with that has been the reference they've chosen, rather than it being an endorsment vinyl has superior sound. If they always use pink noise vinyl from even before CDs were invented; they'll still use it today. They need a "reference" sound with which they can recognise different rooms harmnic resonance and such. Other top professionals use Cd's of their favourite tracks for the same purpose.
- conrail, on 10/30/2007, -4/+9It's not the convenience, it's the experience. I've noticed my listening habits have changed ever since I started listening to music almost exclusively through my computer and iPod. I've ripped hundreds of albums, but keep skipping through the tracks when they come up at random.
As for photography, as much as I enjoy digital and my DSLR, I've noticed that the quantity of pictures has increased greatly (taking 10 where 1 would have been taken in the past) but the quality (composition, etc.) has diminished. - ISurfTooMuch, on 11/02/2007, -3/+8Why digg this post down? I totally agree that many people either can't hear the difference between a ***** MP3 and a higher-quality sound recording or simply don't care.
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