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- dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+47At the university I go to the student IT deals with simple issues, such as lab assistance and dorm room issues. The actual IT deals with the actual network and computer infrastructure and I have a feeling this is how its done at most university's.
- Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -2/+47Yea, $11 just doesn't seem right.
If a bank can charge $35 for an overdraft and another $35 for a bounced check - to 'cover their costs' why can't a university? After all the microsecond it takes the banks mainframe to bounce or overdraft an item, along with the 15 cents worth of paper/ink and 39 cents for stamp adds up to $35.
A university is probably using actual labor hours, so the charge should be about $70 by banking standards right?
That could add up to an extra $70 grand a year per college if they each send out 1000 letters, enough for 2-5 full scholarships for needy students per school. - TroubleInMind, on 11/07/2007, -3/+46Dear RIAA:
Greetings, I am Mrs. Fileshare Nbunga, my husband was the late assistant minister of torrent hubs in my home of Nigeria and left the sum of USD $500000000 to settle with you for all filesharing violations. I will transmit to you upon receipt of your banking information and a cashier's check, and god's blessing upon you. - manova, on 11/07/2007, -2/+39I don't understand how any university can give away any student data. FERPA prevents a university from even saying your a student there without your consent.
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37This is actually how the legal system is supposed to work. 3rd parties who have been subpoened, etc can bill all costs related to fulfilling legal requests: time, labor, actual costs, and (where appropriate, so rarely) lost profits.
I'm surprised UNeb thinks their time is only worth $11. At a bare minimum, it should be: Time spent reading and responding to letter x hourly wage + time spent finding and preparing requested data X hourly wage + transaction and material costs. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+41Oh stfu, you don't know *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31mookie...no matter how many times you say it, you are NOT going to make "gnome saying" popular.
- diulei, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27They should use one of the RIAA's tactics - charge them a ridiculous amount, something like $2500 per letter. Isn't that ballpark what the RIAA sues for per 'illegally downloaded' song?
- drewperry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29The RIAA is a private trade group representing the recording industry. It is not an arm of the government, fascist or otherwise.
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Truth be told I prefer this method of fighting. If all they do is stonewall then they can be compelled to reveal data, but they can't argue with "we offered, they said no".
- growlzor, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25Just because its going to be said anyways, ***** THE RIAA!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Bless your eyes.
Sincerely,
Mrs. Fileshare Nbunga - headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"Are we an agent of the RIAA?"
No, you're not! So why are you even doing what they ask? - MagikOvenMit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15We've finally risen above Tommy Lee Goes to College.
- vwvwvw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Dude, I can't believe people actually dugg drewperry down. The RIAA is NOT a part of the government. Sorry, but it's a god damn fact. Hate 'em all you want, but they're an association of private record companies.
- sensia3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15GO BIG RED! Three cheers to UNL!
- canti32, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14@stevealford and dunezone
How about this, you're both annoying. steve, your need to clean that sand out of your vagina before it affects your WOW skills, and dune, you need to learn to take an insult like a man, instead of being a whiny bitch. - deadowl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15ISPs should follow this example.
- Tannerc27, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@ manova
yes, it allows them to give information for subpoenas, but the letters the RIAA issue are not subpoenas, they are just letters offering a settlement before they try to get subpoenas. - vwvwvw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14It's tactics. Someone asks you to do something you don't want to, act all enthusiastic about it, then proceed to create the biggest ***** you can. When they get pissed off, throw up your hands and say "I'm doing my best", then ask for $11.
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Legal requests are different, and federal law provides an exception for legal requests. But UNeb does get to bill for their time.
- manova, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@fatdog789
You are right. I had no idea that was a loophole in the law.
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html
Generally, schools must have written permission from the parent or eligible student in order to release any information from a student's education record. However, FERPA allows schools to disclose those records, without consent, to the following parties or under the following conditions:
*To comply with a judicial order or lawfully issued subpoena - sambtravis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Those bastards, making the RIAA actually pay for something... out of the thousands upon thousands that they make off of people.
- InfinitySnatch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Don't bother considering Purdue, kids. They're ***** snitches.
- dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Good, the less recruiting they do the better.
Hell, if they started recruiting the homeless, they could become a charity, and then our fines could be tax-deductible! - Raidendesu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Someone needs to mail the RIAA a few rolls of this:
http://www.jinx.com/images/products/285bgWhite.jpg - thejokell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@pottersquash
"they probably open your mail and read it irregardless of the sender"
Regardless of what you think, irregardless is not a word. - Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It's something that needs to be said over and over and over. Some sheeple just don't understand.
- j01101010, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I've loved the football team for as long as i can remember, but it was only recently that i started to love the administration too. i really like how UNL is handling all this.
- XdigitalXdeathX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You had to remind me -_-
- Borramakot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I can see how people would take that comment seriously with all the support Washington seems to be giving the MAFIA.
- Zaetha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The RIAA rips you off... "except in Nebraska!!!" (Steve Ballmer).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2992183880068262304 (It's in the end) - Huwawa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All it takes is to bribe one judge who'll give them a warrant.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I want to take a ***** on the RIAAs doorstep, and stick a CD on it, then set it on fire.
- tnvwboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Agreed. I think the administration is handling this very well. It covers the conservative values of Nebraska by not making any suggestion that they support piracy but they are also giving the RIAA a bit 'SCREW YOU'.
It's going to cost the RIAA a lot more than $11 per incident to subpoenas the records. Gotta love that good ol' University of Nebraska isn't falling for their scare tactics. - knyghtryda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4a very good way of making a point. My college needs to do that.
- Gaya2081, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am one of those student workers at a College's help desk. I do know though how much it costs our network administrator to find out who the student was. It takes him 2-5 hours depending on when it was (how long again/high traffic time of the day) plus all the other correspondence it ends up being $100-150 for each infraction. Now this was for the RIAA cease and desist (I think its what they said they were) letters last semester. Our small college (2,000 students) got about 30-40 letters. We fixed the problem by blocking certain p2p programs (aries was one) and putting most of the rest on a VERY limited bandwidth. We stopped getting letters last time I checked.
- griffix0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The university I work for has also stopped getting letters. It seemed that they had a big push once the fall semester started up, but they have backed off as of late. We haven't gotten anything from the RIAA since late November.
- FryedGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You mean millions?
- rkzda, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Hilarious!
- fcekuahd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@fatdog, I totally agree. $11 is way too low. Even if administration and IT staff wages are as low as $25/hour, they would still bill out at a rate much higher than this. And my understanding is that they are not just billing for time spent reading the letter; they also need to spend time checking their IP logs, firewall logs, etc. against whatever information the RIAA has provided to them. Personally, I'd expect to see a bill more like $500.
- griffix0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I work for a smaller university in Michigan and I actually handled the complaints we get from groups like the RIAA for a while. With our logs it takes about 15-20 min to manually find who was logged in with the IP and time supplied in the complaint email.
Now we have never given out any information on students, and the RIAA has never asked us to. Usually they just ask us to disconnect the user. So we just warn the user, and if it happens too much we disconnect them and make them sign something saying they won't do it again. Pretty harmless, but that step does take some time.
Although with all the SPAM complaint were were getting, from bot infected computers. I wrote up a program and I can trace the user in under a minute. So It now, for us, time is not a big issue, but I still don't like having anything to do with the RIAA - freshgrease, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Uni o' Neb should charge $100/letter recieved as that is near the actual cost of labor for most people for the amount of work that requires ... at a base wage. I work for Texas A&M University as a departmental Sysop and I'm sure that such a letter and the aftermath would take me atleast a day to give a ***** about and another to do anything about it totaling in at $77.5 for 10 hours of work at $7.75/hour. Then I would charge them for punative damages to teach them that it is wrong to terrorize college students who are still learning the "ways of the world" barely out of high school.
- garfvader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"We're spending taxpayer dollars tracking down RIAA problems," Weir said. "Are we an agent of the RIAA? Why aren't they paying us for this?"
Wasn't everything in this article, including the $11 price tag and the above quote FTA attributed to the University of Wisconsin IT department like a week ago? I'm pretty sure it was. I'm wondering if there's some confusion in stories here. - Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I'm surprised UNeb thinks their time is only worth $11. At a bare minimum, it should be: Time spent reading and responding to letter x hourly wage + time spent finding and preparing requested data X hourly wage + transaction and material costs"
You couldn't charge for reading the letter, they probably open your mail and read it irregardless of the sender, and answering a letter and sending it has been shown countless times in the context of legal billing to be no more than 1/2 an hour. So assuming they pay around 10-15 an hour, 11 is about right. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Right, because student don't download music illegally. Get a clue. Quit defending criminals.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Steve is a douchebag in real life and a liar on the net.
- turdigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Dear RIAA:
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- plamia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Wonderful! Sweet, dugg it.
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