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- Trention, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Timbaland just dropped bigtime in my respect category.
Put side by side, these two stories tell the pathetic tale of the music industry. Hypocrisy through and through. - crimoid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21"When does artistic borrowing become a crime?"
Realistically, when you don't have permission and start to make money from it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20this is a video comparing the intros of the two songs(Acidjazzed Evening and Do It): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q&mode=related&search=
- skored, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20For DJ Drama it seems like it might be the best thing to ever happen to his career - I have heard A LOT about him this week as a result (never had before). Timbaland's theft is another story though - that will hurt his credibility pretty badly.
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19The submitter is VERY wrong, what Timbaland did was NOT "artistic borrowing," it was theft. He stole somebody's sample and turned it into his own song, you can not do that. He should be sued for the money he made off that cd/song and portions of it should go to the original author. I can't "artistically borrow" the Mona Lisa and then sell it to people saying it is mine.
- Ozzy73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13What Timbaland did was pitiful. He could at least acknowledged the original creator of the song or just changed it a bit.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Does it have anything to do with this?
http://digg.com/music/Timbaland_ripped_off_a_track_from_my_buddy - KF6BBL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Since when did copyright codes fall under criminal law instead of civil law?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Hey, can someone confirm this... remember that story that was dugg a few days ago about Timberland copying a song from some dude. That dude had like proof of Timberland copying his tracks. Is this the reason for his "theft".
- boson3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Two different situations. DJ Drama made mix tapes. Timbaland blatantly ripped off a previous work and claimed it for Furtado (ironic: supposedly means 'stolen' in Portuguese?) I have zero respect for the latter of the two.
- sideshowRAHEEM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is a joke Mixtapes have been around since the late 80's and the record industry looked the other way because they are great promotional tools, Mixtapes made artist like 50 Cent popular before he was ever on Mtv. Why are they picking on this guy.
- jizzimmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6He's "underground".
- GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@unicornhunter:
maybe he doesnt smack up bitches with dubs? - 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5exactly, its a promotional tool,
usually given away cheap,
by dj's looking for shows,
and labels breaking tracks in the underground
profiting from a 50,000 copy mix tape pressing
better have cleared tracks! - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think Moby, ATB, BT, PvD, Ferry Corsten, etc.. are all good artists and they use samplers extensively. For them it's like using a library of notes. You didn't steal the note E by playing it on your guitar, or did you? Every time you play E, that's my note and you should pay me royalties! There is a line though, I agree; it's just not denoted by a sampler.
- 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4what's funny, is I just copy and pasted this article [ironic] haha
Biz Markie v. Gilbert O'Sullivan
Is sampling theft?
When rapper Biz Markie sampled the melody of Gilbert O'Sullivan's 1972 hit "Alone Again, (Naturally)" for his song "Alone Again" on his 1991 album I Need a Haircut, he was only following in the footsteps of countless other rappers. Unlike the others, however, Markie went to court. After O'Sullivan denied Markie the right to use his song, Markie used the sample anyway, and O'Sullivan filed suit. Ignoring the nuances of copyright law and artistic creation, Judge Kevin Thomas Duffy likened Biz Markie to a common thief, stating, "Thou shalt not steal has been an admonition followed since the dawn of civilization." Upon rendering his verdict, which included an injunction against the future distribution of the album and the song, Judge Duffy referred the case to a U.S. district attorney for possible criminal prosecution. Although Biz never served time for his alleged violation of the Seventh Commandment, the case did set the precedent for viewing unlicensed sampling as a crime. - flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6and that has what to do with this story?
- twinklyJesus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Gosh, when I grow up, I hope I can be hip like him..." *sigh*
- ubisuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes he did.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Thats debatable.
However at least they went after a REAL pirate (someone who rips off other people's work for profit) rather than targeting dead people and grandmothers. - 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3laws of the "old US" do not exist in our current reality distortion zone
***** the RIAA
do not buy or listen to their corporate artists - Kenzan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I wrote: "the internet is blowin' up about this story. I'm still waiting to hear from Tim about it.." back in 1995.
You'll be hearing from my lawyers. - themaestro8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A lot of stuff is ripped off. for example I am a HUGE Radiohead fan. They are amazing but they have ripped so much off of other bands. Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Neil Young, The Pixies, etc. Every band got their ideas from another one. For example all rock based bands (whether they be direct or indirect influences) are based on Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Elvis. they influenced a generation of musicians who then influenced more musicians and this has continued since and will continuously do so. Its the evolution of music.
As a musician myself, I sometimes rip off someone off without even realizing it. Picasso once said (I can't remember if he had just been repeating someone else) "good artists copy, great artists steal."
I however feel you lose integrity when you steal something, however I don't fret over it as much as I used to. I don't completely rip a melody off, since a melody is a part the main part of a song. - chrisostermann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is pretty ridiculous considering the roots of hip-hop. What happened to the days of sugar hill gang? Sampling has always been one of the major methods of producing this genre of music and it’s a shame that the RIAA is doing this. Granted it’s a shame that credit for the samples is not given where due but that was never the case in the past. Times are changing I guess.
- unicornhunter, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7If it's the same mechanical beats, why don't you do it yourself and get rich?
- unicornhunter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That made me laugh. but seriously, there are plenty of ways that Tim could have come across that song and not have known it was not cleared. It's an obvious rip of course. Tempest claims it was 'stolen', so I'm inclined to believe it was. Just look at that Indian flute melody used in 'Big Pimpin'...that was controversy back then, but that was not completely ripped like this song.
- dmoney22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dra dra.....dra.....DRAMATIC.
- xister, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Quote indicas:"At a bare minimum Suni should receive the full amount Timbaland earned from the track."
Really? If it weren't for Timbaland and this little scandal, I would never have heard of Suni... - GonadHunter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did Vanilla Ice ever get in trouble for Ice Ice Baby?
- djnitro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've been following the sampling thing for a while, being a bedroom producer of sample-based music. There is definitely a line where it stops being "ripping off" something else and using that sound as it's own instrument. What timbaland did was definitely wrong, but the current (us) rules on sampling are very constrictive.
I view sampling (and explained it to my mother years ago) as "Sonic quilting". I don't think anyone in the old garment industry would be upset by some Grandma cutting up an old coat and making a new blanket out of it. There should be some kind of law that allows it to happen. I hope you don't see this as spam, but as an example on my site, listen to "ooh yeah" (http://www.djnitro.com/music.html) at the bottom of the page. I can't/won't tell you what song that is, but you know it. At least, you did before I got there. :)
There's a really great art project that was done on the subject at http://nkhstudio.com/pages/popup_amen.html (not my site) that details the history of one drum loop (the amen break) that has gone into a strange kind of public domain. really interesting stuff.
In response to your post, Crimoid, you're right, legally. Like I said though, there should be a way to make compositions like this. Maybe like the 8 consecutive seconds thing that was rumored to exist for years. - fresh27, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2DJ Drama wasn't doing anything wrong (maybe illegal technically but the RIAA is overreacting and killing an integral part of hip-hop culture.) The RIAA is so worried about their profits that they won't let their artists voluntarily release some music independently to improve their image and market themselves.
Timbaland however is a thief/plagiarist, whatever. - Peynis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2stealing != sampling
I wouldn't call it sampling when the whole track pretty much sounds like the original mixed with an acapella
for example, I think it's fine if you take a _part_ from another song and make a new song based on that sample...like it was done over and over again with the Amen Break
"and you wonder why music hasn't moved forward in years"
sampling is pretty much how HipHop and drum'n'bass were born...
if you think music hasn't moved forward, you probably should stop viewing MTV and start listening to real music - RandomSkratch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You're just a hater of the underground cultures because you rock a git box.
- dosterm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Who was from Sweden? There was a guy from Finland... (I might be missing something)
- thedi1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, first off this is about Drama and Cannon of the Aphiliates music group. They were NOT selling other peoples music. The Fox report got it all wrong. The RIAA guy on there did this purposely, its called misdirection. If you look into the budgets of all rap artists now, they actually set aside money specifically for mixtapes with guys like Drama and Cannon. These guys were legit, they were funded by the labels. They were selling their own mixtapes that they created on their website. Don't just quote verbatim what Matthew Kilgo (MKilgo@riaa.com) said. They were also producers, creating original music. They also put on mixtapes, as this is how they work, artists rapping over other peoples beats. You can buy any of these mixtapes for 6.99 on the Internet. This has nothing at all to do with Timbaland. Nothing.
- JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"When does artistic borrowing become a crime?"
How about when it's not "artistic" at all. These guys did produce "mix tapes" but according to a friend of mine in Atlanta, this isn't really about that at all. According to some in the local media, they are accused of running on-line storefronts selling verbatim copies of other artist's music.
Unconfirmed second hand info so take if for what it's worth or just wait for the trial, if there is one. - Koray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We went over this last night, the RIAA shouldn't of touched DJ Drama. DJ Drama makes mixtapes featuring artists who agree to be in these tapes. DJ Drama's mixtapes have launched and revived careers including Lil Wayne and TI. The artist's featured in DJ Drama's Gangsta Grillz tapes are often flattered to even be considered.
The RIAA has done what they do under the guise of helping the artist, but now they can't even keep that straight. Because these tapes are not only endorsed and hosted by these artists, the artists benefit greatly from them. The only thing the RIAA cares about is the fact that they aren't getting a cut of the sales.
Not to mention, DJ Drama isn't even one of the largest mixtape producers. There are several sources saying this was a setup, specifically aimed at DJ Drama because he won a lawsuit against a pretty big mixtape company who has contacts in the RIAA. If they really wanted to go after mixtapers, they would go after the big boys like Mixtape Inc. - unicornhunter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I"m talking about making beats, producing. The biggest name in the game right now is a white Jew, Scott Storch....so if it's not hard to do, then do it.
- datcrazydj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If Storch sucks..how does he get over 6 figures for each track he produces?
All that coming to a grand total of...a lot of money. - Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How can you just state that ANYONE who uses samples isn't an artist? I fail at following your logic.
- 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the publishing on these songs is so funny
(most Hip-Pop is a giant corporate machine for manufactured "street" music)
underground is where the real music lives
performers are lucky to get 5% sometimes (usually just for their "rap")
the rest usually goes to the record label that
owns the mechanicals on the 70's funk loop that was jacked - silga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2amen break: youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj0vfU0vFSs
- Prog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Now if they could only throw Nickelback in jail for copying themselves.
- error, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not all sampling is stealing. Using a sample doesn't make you any less creative than a guitar player. A sample in the control of a 'recording artist' is just another tool for making art. http://www.audioskull.com
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1when i said "ps. that original song is much better...", i was refering to the nelly fernanana track rather than madlibs stuff.
- bkraft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Honestly, it's about time some of these talentless dimwits got what they deserved. People I know have played songs off the 'gangsta grillza' compilations for me before, and it's literally rap songs that the guy yells the words gangsta grillza randomly during. To make money from and put your name on something like that is the kind of thing that makes me sick of the modern music industry.
And to the person above who commented on how rap doesn't suck because it's all over the world and dominates the charts, I guess you're a big Britney Spears fan then? Cause she's REALLY talented WHILST dominating charts. - drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mixtapes help Artist more than it hurt them B/C most mixtapes you get to hear music from underground artist who havent came up yet
- 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1and Hinder
- twinklyJesus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I dig "really hot yodeling promiscuous chicks," but only if they're with reindeer. They do have reindeer in Sweden, right? And automatic weapons. Yep, I dig "really hot yodeling promiscuous chicks" with reindeer that have automatic weapons mounted on their antlers. Yeah.,.. *shiver*
@_@ - 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1sorry guitar guy, but your not good enough to even be stolen from
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