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- DuxDucis, on 11/20/2007, -1/+74"I am profoundly perturbed with this stance as content owners continue to stifle all innovation in the face of the digital revolution, it is consistent with what they have done in the past."
That to me is the most powerful statement in the whole article and I think sums it up. Go Trent, find us a loophole! - chicoer2001, on 11/20/2007, -0/+54But I thought the record industry was there to look out for the artists.
- Kronos6948, on 11/20/2007, -0/+27Trent gets it. Why can't the record companies? I'll tell you why...they only see loss. They see no profit in it. So, they tighten the leashes on the artists even more.
- 5DMT, on 11/20/2007, -1/+14What a bunch of *****. The record companies are playing their game with youtube, and are trying to kill off a whole submarket that actually provides them with free advertising for their artists as well as additional revenue streams.
There was a very interesting article a while back about the Japanese manga industry and the fan-based manga's that use copyrighted characters. Many upcoming artists make a name for themselves with fans and the main companies through the use of already popular charecters and writing "spin-offs". The difference here is that the publishing companies have left those people alone, since it has been proven to actually improve their sales indirectly. It turns out that people who buy these home brew spin offs tend to go buy the "real" comics, and thus make the publishing companies more money.
On a similar note, fan based video's that are posted on you tube, or in this case remixes, could actually provide an additional stream of income for the record companies as well as the boost sales of NIN CDs. If you heard an awesome remix of a NIN song, wouldn't you be more interested in buying a NIN CD as well? - happyfundave, on 11/20/2007, -1/+10Sir, I think you are lost
However you are correct - ozydingo, on 11/20/2007, -5/+13AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
- iruber1337, on 11/20/2007, -0/+8Despite not enjoying NIN's music, I really support their ideals and hope they eventually are able to put up their remix page. Seems Universal is putting themselves in a position where they'll be able to go after NIN in lawsuits over their own music in the instance anything happens. Damn bloodsuckers.
- implied, on 11/20/2007, -1/+9Torrents, anyone? That would supremely piss off the record execs.
- patientXero, on 11/20/2007, -1/+8I have always loved NIN and I'm so ***** happy that Trent has his ***** together and is healthy again, is producing fantastic new music, and hasn't turned into one of those stodgy, washed-up, has-been, pro-establishment "rockstars" like so many others have. Give 'em hell, Mr. Reznor.
- br0ken1128, on 11/20/2007, -0/+6What I really think is a shame is that he can't go back to his past catalog of work, he doesn't own those rights.. so we'll never see a multi-track release of closer, or if Trent wants to release his own "greatest hits" work in 5 years with some of the new work, we won't see his past catalog unless they get a big cut.. the way they act in this particular case just backs that up.
- tmslak, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4You need to kill yourself rather than support the RIAA.
- Kronos6948, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4Only if by saying "artists" you actually mean "profits".
- lasko, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4so Trent read Ars Technica as well as (possibly)Digg? good to see one of my musical heroes is as much of a nerd as me
- patientXero, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4***** finding a loophole. Damn the man and just buck the system like you have been Trent!
- Kethinov, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4http://ninremixes.com
- Scheissen, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3Samuel Clemens (known better as Mark Twain) has said that while writers die, publishers don't and for they do what real pirates do: they "take" that aren't "theirs" and profit from it.
- jdavid, on 11/20/2007, -1/+4i hear the problem from everyone over 35, they see all of this content on the web for free, and they do not understand how money is made.
People in these positions look at googles billions of revenue a year, and they just wonder where the money comes from, how do you do it, i have no idea how its done.
so they sit back and hope that for the next 20 years they can hold out on the business models they learned in school. - banq59, on 11/20/2007, -1/+4strychnine
- michaelGregoire, on 11/20/2007, -1/+4Ditch the mainstream publishing model altogether. Creative Commons!
- br0ken1128, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3Off topic, but I did just buy the remix album and there's some pretty good stuff on there, I particularly love "The Great Destroyer" .. it showcases Trent's vocals, even if they are doing a lot of pitch adjustment..
- scooterbaga, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2It'll happen, just a matter of time.
- vsaint, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2maybe they will learn their lesson and switch to lax-10
- adooga, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2You said analogy.
- Cinaga, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2I find it very ignorant that they would want to restrict copyrighted material on Youtube and Myspace. There are many artists right now that are building a huge fan base on Youtube. Some can write original material, but some are having to rely on copyrighted material, even though they are still very talented. The biggest example I can think of is Esmee Denters from the Netherlands. She has been discovered and is now working under Justin Timberlake's label. The only reason she got that chance is because of Youtube. Why would record companies want to destroy this way to discover new talent when they could be seeking it out and nurturing it. It's a win situation for the artist and for the record label, because it will be bringing lots of money into both of their pockets.
- plizard, on 11/20/2007, -1/+3just when you don't think the record industry can get any lamer
- hablabla, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2This already exists. It's called GARAGEBAND.COM. Much of the music on this site is under Creative Commons.
- fragilityv2, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2If you knew what was going on, you would know that it was already "released". "Closure" is online over at the pirate bay. It is unofficial, but in full DVD spec with full menus. His, as you put it "crybaby attitude" is what allows you to go DL it for free. While I'm at it, so is the "Broken" movie. They were put out in December of last year as a gift, since the label dragged their feet on the project.
- Eddiecoaster, on 11/21/2007, -1/+3Trent is the *****. He'll show Gene Simmons, Lars, and the RIAA a thing or two.
- TheNik, on 11/20/2007, -1/+3No he doesn't, shut the ***** up.
- jdavid, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2this is only for trent to host on universals site, or for universal to be liable. trent can still do it, but he needs to be liable.
i say trent go for it. - Dhalgren, on 11/20/2007, -1/+3What we need is something like the Podsafe Music Network for radio stations. A place where radio stations can find songs they can play on the radio without going through the labels. The problem with the PMN is that it sucks, it's very difficult to find good music on it. What would be awesome is a combination of Digg and the PMN where mass communities of people can rank songs by genre. The Record Labels are middle-men, and with the current marketplace of the internet we don't need them anymore...
- djadamjay, on 11/21/2007, -1/+3i wouldn't be at all surprised if the next NIN album is released OFFICIALLY by Trent Reznor via .torrent file
just out of spite. - antitab, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Dugg for introducing the idea of an eventual multi-track release of Closer.
- BearinG, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I never knew him that much besides that NIN existed... but I like him even more everytime
- thailand1972, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1These are not "new systems" for the unknown, unsigned artist. These "new systems" (I guess you refer to Radiohead / NIN offering their music for free / contributed funds) are new to established artists. Unknown, unsigned bands have been offering their music for free, or begging for donations, for 10+ years on the internet, without success. Sorry to break the news to you, but it's very difficult to make a living off the internet if you have no publicity (which usually involves money, agents, labels sadly).
- hansk, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1that'll teach him to drop his label and make it just about the music.
- chokeaduck, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Didn't I already digg this story? Shouldn't it showed that this was a duplicate story when you posted it? I'll digg this one too anyhow, because I think it deserves to be heard and read.
- DNUmbra, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Are you mentally challenged? They finished the DVD long ago, it's the label's fault that it never got released officially. So Trent did something about it.
- F1R3DUP, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1***** THE RIAA?
- thailand1972, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Yeah, all those unknown artists should ditch the mainstream model......wait a minute...
- Ronnie, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1When the record company owns your ass you have no leg to stand on legally to share what now is property of the record company. If Reznor wants to open source and play in the user created pond, he needs to break from his captors and create some new content to give to his open source internet fans that the record company has no legal right to. $.02
- DNUmbra, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1If more artists, new and old alike, joined Trent on this, then it definitely wouldn't take long for a music revolution to happen, where everyone will be happy.
Otherwise, let's bring back another Nothing Records (as its own independent label) and have everyone go there for fair deals, shall we? (Except no John Malm. That guy is a douche.) - lazyfisherman, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1I have no idea what you just said but if it involves giving rich music executives incurable STDs that prohibit them from having unprotected sex with music artists ever again, that sounds like great idea!
- slashpslayer, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2I can't wait until this whole thing cannibalizes itself and music runs naked in the streets.
- eanbowman, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1This and all other recent recording industry mis-deeds have saddened me...
- DrAtheist, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1It all comes down to the DMCA? I may be wrong here, but isn't the DMCA a US law, and thus only enforceable in the US? Basically all that will happen if these lawsuits succeed is that all main websites move outside the US, while the world sits back and watches the US gang rape itself with it's intellectual property laws.
- funkytaco, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1If only we could remix the music of all of our favorite artists so easily.
- icanrule, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I've read some articles about Trent before. He would like nothing better then to bail on his label but he has a contract to make at least 1 more album with them and then he will be a free agent.
- reqage, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1Step 1: Leave a vulnerable PC with the tracks connected to the internet and maybe TPB will end up with it.
Step 2: ?????
Step 3: Profit! - WoollyMittens, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Screwed over his own music. Was that really the intent of copyright? How is this supposed to ENCOURAGE creativity?
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