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- Walkboss, on 10/11/2007, -5/+114Sorry for the double post but.... I wish more mainstream artists would open their ***** eyes and speak up against ***** like this. Maybe then could the music industry shake the downward spiral (har) they're on. Or are they too busy being blinded by fame and choked by money?
I'm very interested to see what Trent is going to do with his freedom after his contract with Interscope is up (one more album). - maexus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+110@orientis
Wow, with an attitude like that, it's no wonder so much TALENT is unnoticed by record companies or even consumers. I'm sure if an official remix compilation was released from fan works, it would be cream of the crop, the talent you are writing off because it's not "brand". - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+98wow people still use limewire
- solarsavior, on 10/11/2007, -2/+89The bottom line is that record labels are scared to death that they will soon be without a job.
A relatively free distribution vehicle is already there: the Internet.
Soon, groups such as NIN will sell directly to the Internet and completely circumvent record labels. Do we really need CDs?
If DVDs with complete audio, video, and special features can be sold for $10 and still make money, why do CDs cost more when the content is obviously less?
Charge a reasonable price and most people won't steal. - TeKwheat, on 10/11/2007, -5/+75"We are planning a full-length remix collection of substance that will be announced soon."
Perhaps a showcase of the garageband remix results with a few personal mixes on a cd? - tacvbo83, on 10/11/2007, -3/+64Great!!! Can't wait to see them again. Trent is the best!
- Walkboss, on 10/11/2007, -2/+54I wonder how long it will take for this to get on the front page and all the Reznorphobes come out of the woodwork to complain after they click the story as if someone forced them to.
- joshGwyther, on 10/11/2007, -12/+57I wonder if Trent reads digg? He's a pretty tech savy guy so he might. Trent if your reading this, your the man.
- halohunter, on 10/11/2007, -3/+46We always get screwed in Australia. Late releases, rip-off prices; we have it all.
However, no one has been sued for copyright.
Now you know why the Australian mainstream is using limewire. - SlvrEagle23, on 10/11/2007, -1/+37If they sell more records because they illustrated that they hold the fans in the highest regard, then not only is that what they deserve, it will be an even greater incentive for the rest of the industry to shift its practices in favor of the consumer.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+37I think this is great, I like how they have their stuff up to mix with garage band. They could be ***** like other bands, but they are really making a difference.
- Stonedonkey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+34"If DVDs with complete audio, video, and special features can be sold for $10 and still make money, why do CDs cost more when the content is obviously less?"
A few reasons. One, DVDs are typically the second-level revenue stream, after the film has had its theater run. They can price them lower than expected simply because the money has already been made (hopefully). With music, it's CDs, then attempting to support this first-level revenue stream with a tour. That means a lot of up-front costs. If you're lucky and have sufficiently aggressive people behind you, one of your songs ends up on a soundstrack.
Oh, and CDs were also price fixed until a class-action slap on the wrist a few years ago. There was, basically, no price competition among the five major labels (now four). Always keep in mind that 70-80% of the music you listen to is owned -- legally OWNED -- by Warner, Sony BMG, EMI, or Universal. Not the artists, not the imprints masquerading as labels, but four corporations, worldwide. Everything currently in print.
Interscope, the imprint Reznor operates with, is but one of Universal's many faces. - Snarfy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+35Counterfeiting money isn't stealing either that's why the call it counterfeiting and that's whay piracy is piracy. If I counterfeit a billion billion dollars, it makes the dollars in your pocket worth less than before i counterfeited. I didn't steal the money from you, I just made your money worthless.
No it's not stealing but it's not exactly harmless either. ***** semantic war. - Ridikul, on 10/11/2007, -0/+31You have to when your ISP doesn't allow torrents.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29 The record industry has engaged for years in organized theft of artists. The whole system is set up so that the artist retires broke and the executives reap the lion share of everything generated.
Read Courtney Love's excellent article about how this works.
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/print.html - kidd3ckz, on 10/11/2007, -10/+38*le sigh*
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you ALMOST made it. - stephenwq, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27Actually, limewire is really popular for the average person (read: not nerdy) who wants to grab some music. They probably don't know of better alternatives.
- hifiDesign, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27My question is: Why has integrity become and undervalued commodity?
I was sitting in a theater tonight getting ready to watch 28 Weeks Later, and these two ghetto ***** come in screaming and stomping and swearing. Eventually one gets to optically perusing the female audience goers behind him and another guy calls him out for looking up his girlfriend's skirt. So the thug hops up and berates him face to face. "What the *****. Issatcho girl? Issatcho dawterrr?" After he sits down, he goes, "*****. Better be *****' Neo to step to me like that. Must've thought he was 'da One'!" So the movie starts and of course this motormouth is screaming at the screen as the zombies tear people limb from limb. Total attention seeker.
So I bought into his BS and snapped. Told him to shut the ***** up, and stopped short of throwing my overpriced drink on him (didn't want to get shot after all). Then my wife runs out, embarrassed, and of course I get an earful on the way home. But why has integrity and decency made people who speak up the bad guys? Sure, I know I could've walked out and asked for my money back, but when did we become so pussified?
There's no more accountability. This world has become a caricature. People do whatever they want and all these marketing ***** are to blame. They pimp the MTV image, so people like Akon can hump 15 y/o girls, and young punks think it's cool to debase women like that. They idolize insipid 16 y/o kids whose parents have run out of ways to blow money so now they're building the Taj Mahal and buying Range Rovers for the twerps' birthdays. You almost wish "Children of Men" would come to fruition because I really shudder at the thought of what today's high schoolers batch of kids are going to be like.
/quasi off-topic rant - timdorr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+24Bathroom USB flash drive dispensers, apparently :P
- kevinrose, on 10/11/2007, -5/+25Listened to the latest album on his website...just purchased it on iTunes.
- timdorr, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24No, it's not when you buy music you like; it's when you say won't buy music because it's people you've never heard of. My statements were referring specifically to the comments about the AU release being priced higher because people are willing to pay more for the NIN name, rather than the pop *****. In either case, the RDJ/Vrenna release or a Garageband release, you're still getting the NIN name and the guarantee that the extra content will be stuff favored by Trent. In theory, the quality of either release should be comparable on average (obviously some people will like one more than the other, but, on average, the people who like NIN will like the stuff Trent picks), but you have placed a higher value on the "pro" release vs. the "amateur" release. As a result, the record labels can place a higher price tag on the pro release, even though it's of the same aggregate quality as the amateur. *That* is the marketing ***** I'm talking about. You're free to like RDJ and Vrenna. I like them as well. However, I find it unfair to discount the work of others as lesser when you don't know what it sounds like and if you don't like it. It's like when we were kids and didn't want to try new food because we had the preconceived notion that we wouldn't like it. I say give the broccoli a try for once.
- timdorr, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23Yeah, I'm with you maexus. RDJ and Vrenna are good, but I wouldn't say they're the only source of musical talent on earth. If you want to buy the album for the names on it, you're buying right into the kind of marketing ***** that Trent is talking about in this post!
- etnu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19"Mainstream" artists usually suck at the tit of the corporation, because their fans are mostly teenagers who haven't been exposed to anything better, and stupid adults who just have poor taste. If they spoke up, they'd stop getting promoted. If they stopped getting promoted, they wouldn't be able to make any money from their concerts.
Reznor can afford to tell his label to go ***** themselves because he has no trouble selling out his shows. He could have given away Year Zero for free and would have still profited millions from all the ticket sales when he toured for it. Have you ever been to a NIN concert? It's always sold out, whether it's a small club tour or a giant arena. - mudsown, on 10/11/2007, -9/+28That is an excellent idea. What better way to show what good can come from distributing music freely like that.
- weareallzombies, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20The angsty peppermint flavor makes a nice change of pace from when we're tired of sucking off Kevin Rose, Steve Jobs, Shigeru Miyamoto, and Ron Paul.
- bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19@walkboss
copying something is not stealing it. it's copying it. that's why it's called copyright infringement, otherwise it'd be called stealing. only the riaa and mpaa will tell you otherwise... - dustinmacdonald, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14When I went to purchase Year Zero the day it came out at HMV in Canada, it was $9.99. I'm not sure if this was a first day special or something, but it definitely felt like "right price" for an album. I recommended it to friends who were not necessarily NIN fans, and they purchased right away simply because of the price.
iTunes got this album price point right when it launched. Maybe distributors will pay attention. - chukd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13NIN doesn't see that money. It gets a very small fraction of that $35, the vast majority of it goes to the record company. Bands make their money by doing live performances. Trent keep up the great work and music, you have a life long fan here.
- pokerisleuk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Darn, I would hate to have that happen to me. Any idea who stole it?
- fritzon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Wow. That was awesome. You could have added "I am the Great Destroyeeeeeer!" at the end there.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13I was strongly against stealing music until the RIAA started pulling it's little stunts. I decided that they just weren't worth giving my money to. So thanks RIAA for convincing me to steal music.
- vampiregabe, on 10/11/2007, -10/+22While I admit upfront I am a Republican, I have been a loyal NIN listener since my sister introduced them to me in 1990. I do not agree (and never have) with Trent's political beliefs, but I think the music he makes is extremely sexy and far ahead of the average musician. "The Good Soldier" has an amazing bass line, "Capital G" just blows my mind musically not lyrically, same with "My Violent Heart" which is simply amazing.
I applaud NIN's success and wish them the best. I also have purchased every Halo, and will continue to do so (official releases only). I do this because I enjoy the musical talent he has. I feel his musical compositions have been 5 years (on average) before their time.
I just do not agree with Trent's opinions. He exercises his opinions, and so do I. - Araxen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12I still say Trent will put out 1 more physical CD to satisfy his Interscope deal and anything else he puts out will be via Digital Download without the labels involvement.
- merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12By definition, theft deprives the person being stolen from of property. Copyright violation does not deprive anyone of their property. An exact duplicate of the work is made, and the original owner's copy is unaltered.
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Theft and copyright infringement are different acts. The former is criminal, while the later is a civil offense -- they're so different, they're handled under totally different classes of laws. - Genthree, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11yeah, but most artists make an assload more with tours than they ever do with record sales, so shouldn't CDs also be considered a second-level revenue source?
- trevorsm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9@genthree
Yeah, tours are how the artists make money; since the artists only get a small cut of the CD sales, the CD sales are secondary to them. On the other hand, labels don't get money from tours, but they do get money from CD sales (the big cut of it). Since the labels (and not the artists) are the ones selling the CDs, it's their primary income source. - darkphate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9its good to see someone in his position saying things like that
- jollyroger814, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8i cannot complain, got year zero for 9.99 at a cd exchange in pittsburgh brand new. retail everywhere else was around 15 bucks.
- Narrator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7""It's because we know you have a real core audience that will pay whatever it costs when you put something out - you know, true fans. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy."
The whole world is turning into three-card-monty. The record companies are failing because they expect their customers to play the little pricing/licensing three-card-monty games that they've created. DRM is also just a big boring game with lots or rules that the record companies make you play in order to suck money out of you as you get annoyed with playing their game and just give in and pay whatever they want you to. Other examples of "fourty-card-monte-games" are what the credit card companies do with moving due dates and terms around. Mortgage companies do something similar with offering ridiculously low rates and then screwing people over a few months later when they jack the rates up. The trend lately by companies has been to construct big rube goldberg like mazes of terms and features that is just put their to confuse people and make them spend more money. Customers start to realize that something is wrong and that the game is a huge cost in itself far above the actual cost of the product. - consonance, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10It would be great if Nine Inch Nails submitted their tracks to ccMixter for remixing. ccMixter is THE place to go for remix-friendly sampling, with not only their own library of samples but links to repositories such as The Freesound Project and Jamglue. They've had several contests involving artists such as the Beastie Boys and Fort Minor, so a NIN contest would really propel ccMixter into the limelight, reward the fans, and build NIN's fanbase.
- Dorepoll, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Man, I would hate to have bought Year Zero at that price. I nabbed mine for $27AU, and a few days before the actual release.
Good for Reznor for seeing both sides of the argument. Great for Reznor to join ours. - Volatile, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7...No he's not.
- DigitalJester, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Frostwire > Limewire.
- stevealford, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Recorded music was a promotional tool to bring people out to see live shows when recording first began. I'm glad to see things coming full circle. I hope that Trent will be the first artist to give "free unlimited downloads" as part of the price of admission to a live show. That way, recorded music will be a promotional tool again, live shows will be how artists make their living (instead of the ***** concerts we've come to know from most bands), and the record labels/RIAA will be a thing of the past.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Geez, what kind of environment is digg where you have to "admit" that you're a Republican? You can have whatever political beliefs you want, and if people give you crap about it because OMG IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THEIRS, maybe they need to try being a little more objective and realize that their political affiliation is not the only one in the world.
- FishPoisonCon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7"Good job, Trent. Too bad you're still rich. It discredits you."
i'm sorry, but how would being poor make him any more credible? is it because that would make him more like you (minus all the music and talent, of course)? can *anyone* seriously defend this statement? - lazyeyesam, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8For all the grammar bullies out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLtm8i6rX0Y - Shwenk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6God bless you Trent Reznor
- LewisBreaker, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8slow down there, I like CD's i like having a product to hold and flick through whilst im listening to it on my amazing stereo. MP3's are ok but they cant beat the real uncompressed format that is a CD.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Trent: "Me, I'm not".
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