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Trent Reznor Does NOT support an ISP tax
nin.com — "I left the conversation thinking I'd cleared up the misconception that I thought the entire release of "niggytardust" was a failure. Well, it appears the story was written before I was involved, and I woke up the next day to find out I'm a supporter of an ISP tax. Thanks, CNET."
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- Artemisian, on 01/22/2008, -1/+46I'm glad he came out and laid the law on this. CNET changed their headline, but it wasn't enough to stop everyone all over the Internet copying the entire article, original title included.
This really sinks all the bloody articles I've seen spring up about implementation of an ISP tax - I'm looking at you, TechCrunch, and COUNTLESS others. I love that Reznor communicates frequently and clearly to fans and anyone interested; it's an advisable move for artists, or anyone involved in the public sphere who doesn't want to be misunderstood.- Araxen, on 01/22/2008, -0/+5Here is the audio of Trent's support of the tax:
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9855319-7.html?pa ... - Instrumental, on 01/22/2008, -12/+2since when did trent become the bono of the internet? no one gives a ***** what he has to say
his music sucks ass now too, which is more of a reason to not pay him attention..he thinks he's the ***** because his crappy music is famous- Araxen, on 01/22/2008, -4/+6^
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- Araxen, on 01/22/2008, -4/+6^
- Zuggy, on 01/22/2008, -1/+1I personally think he has a good idea there. As he mentioned in his blog it would never work, but I wouldn't mind something like that, an extra $5 for all the music I could grab.
in the audio he does say "ISP Tax" but those were just his choice of words for paying a monthly flat fee for all the music you could digest.
- Araxen, on 01/22/2008, -0/+5Here is the audio of Trent's support of the tax:
- bat-21, on 01/22/2008, -2/+33Thank God. For a moment, I was afraid Trent had suddenly turned stupid.
- igetnospamatall, on 01/22/2008, -2/+77this just in: the one man in the music industry that actually understands the music industry is still on our side
- geekee, on 01/22/2008, -9/+2If he understands the music industry so well, why did he flop as a record label for Saul Williams. He knows as much about music distribution as most of the pundits on Digg, which is very little.
- zerobackup, on 01/22/2008, -0/+11Damn everyone needs to slow down on all this hate. Saul Williams sold slightly more than his previous album (and made 5 times more than his previous album). I would not consider that a flop.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3If it was a RIAA label (I know, humor me) they would have said if not for file sharing, it would have sold 5x as many copies.
- zerobackup, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3True, but they would be lying.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1That was my point.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3If it was a RIAA label (I know, humor me) they would have said if not for file sharing, it would have sold 5x as many copies.
- zerobackup, on 01/22/2008, -0/+11Damn everyone needs to slow down on all this hate. Saul Williams sold slightly more than his previous album (and made 5 times more than his previous album). I would not consider that a flop.
- geekee, on 01/22/2008, -9/+2If he understands the music industry so well, why did he flop as a record label for Saul Williams. He knows as much about music distribution as most of the pundits on Digg, which is very little.
- SaxxonPike, on 01/22/2008, -1/+35"Of course in reality this would never work because it would require accurate accounting, agreement among thieves, etc."
Love that reasoning.- Eeqmcsq, on 01/22/2008, -0/+11Also an ISP tax for music would open up the doors for other taxes, like a tax for movies, software, video games, books, newspapers, and anything else that can be transmitted over the Internet.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -0/+6Also...it is a RIDICULOUS idea to make everyone susidize the tastes of others.
And I hope the Reznor apologists realize that he is NOT backing down from wanting this to happenb. Just that it could never work.- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Something tells me you didn't listen to the audio byte of the full interview, which CNET conveniently left out originally.
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9855319-7.html?ta ...
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Something tells me you didn't listen to the audio byte of the full interview, which CNET conveniently left out originally.
- CYG101, on 01/22/2008, -22/+1Trent makes awesome music but really who the ***** cares what he thinks about it (his words)
- Luminoth, on 01/22/2008, -1/+9People who care what he thinks about it, I would assume.
- sockpuppets, on 01/22/2008, -2/+6...and you are?
- MrNexus, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2What would you say if I said I care?
- koft, on 01/22/2008, -8/+1I don't give a ***** what trent has to say. Put out tracks and shut the ***** up trent.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/22/2008, -2/+1yessa masstah.
- marsh283, on 01/22/2008, -15/+3This just in, some musician cares about politics. on another note: no one important really cares.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3This really isn't about politics.
- MrMillerTime, on 01/22/2008, -1/+62"And, who the ***** cares what I think about this, anyway?"
Dugg. - buildbyflying, on 01/22/2008, -1/+24I think a lot of people care what he thinks because he's becoming one of the most forward thinking recording artists of today. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if his current ideas on the future of music distribution were to eclipse his music as his contribution in the last half of this decade.
- sirloin, on 01/22/2008, -1/+3i think his point is the industry will do what it wants, reguardless of what he thinks.
- rarson, on 01/22/2008, -1/+1But ultimately, the people buying the music will decide whether the industry remains successful or not. If enough people get fed up by the crap that is pushed on them and the RIAA constantly trying to sue music fans, then maybe enough people will wake up and reject the suits that have their heads up their asses, and support the artists directly instead.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -8/+1Ask 1000 music fans on the street about it and 999 will not give a *****. You think that you are everyone? You are not. Peopel don't give a ***** aboutTrent Reznor for ANYTHING. Most never did.
- sirloin, on 01/22/2008, -1/+3i think his point is the industry will do what it wants, reguardless of what he thinks.
- Corrosionx, on 01/22/2008, -15/+3Maybe Trent Reznor realized that proposing new taxes publicly will make people hate you.
- sirloin, on 01/22/2008, -2/+4yeah so much less likely he was misquoted?? sorry but if you've been following the man lately, you'd see how rediculous your comment sounds.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -6/+1If you would take his ***** out of your mouth you would realize how ridiculous YOUR comment sounds. He thought he was going to show the world that the RIAA is not needed. He FAILED miserably, only strengthening their position. Then he makes a ridiculous statement and is not backpedalling.
It all stems from his ignorance (and yours, and many onn Digg) of why people pirate. It is not, and has NEVEr been their way of "sticking it to the man". People pirate becuase it is free and relatively risk free. Make that free and 100% risk free and they will simply do it that way...still for free.- SiNN4R, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2"Hi I'm bingobongony and everything that comes out of my mouth is retarded."
- Corrosionx, on 01/22/2008, -1/+1Yup, you can't even leave a vague impression you would possibly be for a tax, or people will hate you.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -6/+1If you would take his ***** out of your mouth you would realize how ridiculous YOUR comment sounds. He thought he was going to show the world that the RIAA is not needed. He FAILED miserably, only strengthening their position. Then he makes a ridiculous statement and is not backpedalling.
- sirloin, on 01/22/2008, -2/+4yeah so much less likely he was misquoted?? sorry but if you've been following the man lately, you'd see how rediculous your comment sounds.
- joshua5, on 01/22/2008, -16/+1This whole crusade Reznor started on sounded good, at first. Now with every new thing it is coming off as an annoying whine. Waa waa, why didn't fans pay for the CD I gave away for FREE?! Waaaa.
Get a clue Trent, we love you but your utopia doesn't exist. If music could save the world Bono would have done it long ago.- XxATAROTHxX, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2Bono is a self-serving queef.
- tripzz, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1Bono makes me sick with overinflated ego and rightousness. At least Trent keeps it real instead of running away from his home country so he doesn't have to pay taxes. Bono is such a loser in my opinion. Trent doesn't fake who he is, sad Bono can't do the same.
- MWeather, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2Screw Bono. Bob Marley would have done it long ago. Even dead the man is more influential than Bono could ever dream of becoming.
- zerobackup, on 01/22/2008, -1/+1Bono? Really? He's too busy with his "Elevation Partners" media group to give a ***** about the music industry...and also Darfur or something.
- MavRevMatt, on 01/22/2008, -1/+13Trent's the man.
- rankftw, on 01/22/2008, -2/+0Trent Reznor is the man tbh.
- rockstarr26, on 01/22/2008, -7/+1always was an innovator. always will be. somehow i knew trent wasn't down for that *****.
HTTP://PLUGGEDIN.COM - JamesMorris, on 01/22/2008, -3/+3Trent is the man!
- Kethinov, on 01/22/2008, -11/+5Did anyone actually RTFA? According to Trent himself, he did in fact make the statement that very clearly implies an ISP tax. His backpedaling and admitting pessimistically it probably would never work is NOT a reversal of his position.
- koft, on 01/22/2008, -9/+2You got it right, but you are gonna be dug down for not going with the dig flow. Heres a +1 at least.
- bennyboy371, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2Maybe you should have RTFA. "perhaps an additional 5 dollars on your ISP bill that allowed you complete, easy access to all the music in the world would work". Personally, if I was offered a subscription to all music in the world for $5, I'd take it. How is that a tax if it's optional?
- Kethinov, on 01/22/2008, -1/+1He did not imply that it was optional. Moreover, even if that's what he meant, services like that already exist.
- clickwir, on 01/23/2008, -1/+1It simply would not be optional. Optional would mean that 1 person could sign up for it and then download and share everything. So how do you get around that? DRM? Naw, that doesn't work. I know, lets put the "optional music" fee on EVERYONE! Opps... tax. I have to agree with kethinov.... trent basically said he supports, or at the very least suggested it as a possibility, a music tax on your ISP.
- AustinMeoang, on 01/22/2008, -3/+7Often times I find myself asking "wwtd?" (What would Trent do?)
- Bense, on 01/22/2008, -9/+1He's just a musician, I can't think of any CEO's or VP's behind any ISP that is going to take him seriously. Buried.
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Umm, isn't that exactly what he said?
- acidpolly, on 01/22/2008, -1/+3first Trent leads the movement against majors and for new innovative ways of releasing music and then he wonders why people care what he thinks :) surprise surprise, we all care!
I didn't have a single doubt that this isp tax stuff in that interview was just nothing. hope cnet learned the lesson well.- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -5/+2Actually, in the real world, NO ONE cared.
Please don't think you represent a majroity, let alone "all"- acidpolly, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2"we all" was not about the mankind. I meant the community we have here.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -5/+2Actually, in the real world, NO ONE cared.
- rjmoriarty, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5I can't believe this required clarification in the first place. The whole of Digg was after Reznor's throat over this thing when it was cleary that he was never really advocating an ISP tax. Christ.
- DiggUmFrog, on 01/22/2008, -2/+16Trent Reznor 2008!
- koft, on 01/22/2008, -5/+5Trent is great but niggtardust sucks, glad he gave me the opportunity not to pay for it.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -8/+3damage control.
- clickwir, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1Exactly. "Hey what are they writing!??! I didn't say that.... well kinda. But I didn't say... well yea I guess I did say that. *****.... Dear People, I never said that. Or at least I did but I didn't mean it."
- HedwigDies, on 01/22/2008, -4/+1Phew, for a second there I was worried about the sudden lack of Trent Reznor articles.
- gmoney23, on 01/22/2008, -5/+7Greg Sandoval here from News.com.
Trent Reznor has accused me of misquoting him. This is untrue. I taped the interview and transcribed the tapes. The words in the story are as he said them. You can listen to what Trent said here :
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9855319-7.html?ta ...- nanzs, on 01/22/2008, -1/+4Wait a second. You have to admit you took this statement our of context. Yes, he did say the words exactly how you quoted it. However, you neglected to mention how he immediately followed up by saying the ISP tax wouldn't work and gave the example of the tax we pay on 411 services. I mean Greg, your headline on the original draft was bull *****.
- paulg2000, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5Except that he hasn't accused you of misquoting him. Clearly he's upset about the way his statement was presented, but nowhere do I see the words "misquote". So, two wrongs make a right?...
- acidpolly, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5Trent didn't accuse cnet of misquoting him. Guess nobody was thinking that he didn't really say what was written in the article. He accused you of making him isp-tax supporter in people's eyes because you made a headline out of it. And although you changed it later it was all over the internet already.
Actually what's going on now is the same situation: a couple of phrases about cnet being too absent-minded to extract the main idea of the interview instead of making something big of something little and here we are - everybody thinks that Trent accused cnet of misquoting him.
What goes around comes around, Greg.- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2This is exactly the issue here, but all the flamers here won't let that come to be because they are ***** shortsighted to the point of retardation. Trent never accused of 'misquoting', basically he's upset (as he should be) that a very minor comment he made which sounded more like an afterthought or what have you was blown COMPLETELY out of proportion due to the fact that it was a headline.
I will be very cautious in reading anything from CNET anymore.
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2This is exactly the issue here, but all the flamers here won't let that come to be because they are ***** shortsighted to the point of retardation. Trent never accused of 'misquoting', basically he's upset (as he should be) that a very minor comment he made which sounded more like an afterthought or what have you was blown COMPLETELY out of proportion due to the fact that it was a headline.
- phaseblue, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3Glad to see this - it was starting to get frustrating reading all these articles putting words in his mouth that all of a sudden NiggyTardust was a "failure" and that he was "pro ISP tax" after making some quick reply to an on-the-spot question.
It sounded like he and Saul Williams made the album they wanted and were happy with it. Using it to test the market for the "pay what you want" model was a useful experiment and (while I love Radiohead and all) releasing the numbers is a lot more useful way to show people the reality of where we are in terms of music and money these days.
I think, if anything, the whole NiggyTardust-numbers thing showed that it's really, really hard for smaller musicians to make money these days - people don't want to pay for it directly, and the labels are purely out to screw people over. Hearing all of this from a musician I've liked for a long time is continually awesome to read. - scisam, on 01/22/2008, -2/+1whew, for a minute there I thought Trent supported an ISP tax, but then it turned out that Trent doesn't support an ISP tax.
- bingobongony, on 01/22/2008, -3/+1His own words says that he DOES support the tax. But that he feels it would be too difficult to implement.
Difficult or not, it should never have even been mentioned by anyone. Everyone should not have to subsidize the acquisition of music for the minority.
I want a Porsche. Will al of you contribute $25 a month for a few months and get me one? Don't get me wrong...I will contribute that same $100 a month too. - geekee, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/gadgets/Don_t_miss_lessons_Radiohe ...
Their attempts to promote and distribute albums online without the backing of a major record company proved the labels do have value. - retawd, on 01/22/2008, -3/+1Phew!! That's a relief! I awoke with a start this morning worrying about TR's opinion on this subject and now I can rest well tonight. Crisis averted!!!
/sarcasm- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Yeah, good thing you went out of your way to comment on it to give you even more relief.
- trunk8, on 01/22/2008, -0/+2Anyone read the article Trent linked to? Long, but well worth a read IMO:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,224154 ... - markgl, on 01/22/2008, -5/+1Good Cause I was worried he did....
WTF? Who cares! - Nigmatic, on 01/22/2008, -0/+2I absolutely love how he handles this stuff. Especially the time he called out his record label for over-pricing his own CD! BTW - NiggyTardust is awesome!!!
- clickwir, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1"perhaps an additional 5 dollars on your ISP bill"
WTF.... he just said it right there. He offered it as a viable solution! Tax, fee, unfairly butt raped.... whatever you want to call it, he suggested we all pay more to our ISP so some people can download music.- Nigmatic, on 01/23/2008, -0/+0I wasn't necessarily arguing one way or the other. I just prefer his method of speaking directly to the people rather than hiding behind a lawyer or a record label.
Ultimately, however, I will always give the benefit of the doubt to Reznor over any media outlet. I accept his comment that they took his words out of context to misuse in an inflammatory headline.- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1All of the 'take everything literally because they have never exaggeratted or mispoke before' jagholes here will disagree with you, unfortunately.
- Nigmatic, on 01/23/2008, -0/+0I wasn't necessarily arguing one way or the other. I just prefer his method of speaking directly to the people rather than hiding behind a lawyer or a record label.
- clickwir, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1"perhaps an additional 5 dollars on your ISP bill"
- b8man99, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3The music industry doesn't realise that the game has changed - instead of grabbing a good offer and creating good will with recording artists and buyers, they fight and claw for more money and make the pirating more tempting.
Trent is one of the smartest people in the industry. He sees how things must change and really should be in charge. - callampa, on 01/23/2008, -2/+0"Will someone PLEASE pay Trent?!"
-tonz the great - ChooChoo3000, on 01/23/2008, -6/+1Hitler. Trent Reznor. Rasputin. George Bush. Charles Manson.
Evil people? Or just people who all have brown hair?
You be the judge.
- PhoenixAgent, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2pretty sure Trent has black hair there bud.
- solid12345, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1I like Trent and what he is doing but at the end of the day, this utopian "sell your music online" gig just doesn't work. It appealed to hardcore music nerds who are aware and online all the time but the mass public is just not going to care about most bands unless they are hit with a marketing blitz.
Does it make them stupid? No. Even the folk and rock-and-roll bands of the 60s who radically changed the music world required promotion to get to where they were. With the capitalist market becoming more saturated with products, advertising is needed now more than ever. - Todamont, on 01/23/2008, -3/+1Can I just get some good old fashioned metal/industrial instead of the elevator/pop music he's been putting out since further down?
- wpc33, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Yeah, me too. I would also like to be fed candy while I watch He-Man, and wear OshKoshByGosh...waitaminute...those days are OVER! NOOO...
j/k
- wpc33, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Yeah, me too. I would also like to be fed candy while I watch He-Man, and wear OshKoshByGosh...waitaminute...those days are OVER! NOOO...
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1All because a bunch of reactionary morons read "ISP Tax" in the headline, not like CNET didn't know this would happen.
Noticed how they are blaming him of him blaming them of misquoting him? Way to miss the point entirely, CNET. - PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Also, did anybody click the audio link in CNET's response article? Reznor did say ISP Tax, and shortly thereafter (excluded from the original interview) pretty much shot down that idea with a counterpoint anecdote. So CNET only gave you the first half of Reznor's statement, basically positing him as a fan of taxation, rather than showing him playing devil's advocate with his own suggestion.
- IMISS, on 01/24/2008, -0/+0thanks sor the link trunk8
- Parapadrifter, on 01/25/2008, -1/+1well hey... support those candidates who oppose regulation of the internet!!!! you gotta get involved to stop this *****.
-oppose this tax because it'll tax those who want nothing to do with music... it is not needed!!
Please I implore you all, if you care about individualism and free markets and no income tax! take a look at Ron Paul. Quickly mofo's!
>>>>>>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=vyT3SBiTbpc&feature=rel ...- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/26/2008, -0/+1Are you reading anything? Or did you just see the word "TAX" and your 'Libertarian Man' alarm went off?
- TaintedTux, on 01/27/2008, -0/+0Listen to the audio all he said was IF there were an ISP tax then in his mind all music is now able to be downloaded, and put in your car, your iPod....Im paraphrasing obviously. He wasn't misquoted, he was misunderstood. He did not say he supports or opposes the tax, he just stated how it SHOULD work if it were to happen. Trent Reznor is not a genius, nor is he a blithering idiot, he is just a man who speaks his mind and stands up for what he believes. We are lacking too many people like that these days.
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