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- igetnospamatall, on 01/22/2008, -2/+77this just in: the one man in the music industry that actually understands the music industry is still on our side
- MrMillerTime, on 01/22/2008, -1/+62"And, who the ***** cares what I think about this, anyway?"
Dugg. - Artemisian, on 01/22/2008, -1/+46I'm glad he came out and laid the law on this. CNET changed their headline, but it wasn't enough to stop everyone all over the Internet copying the entire article, original title included.
This really sinks all the bloody articles I've seen spring up about implementation of an ISP tax - I'm looking at you, TechCrunch, and COUNTLESS others. I love that Reznor communicates frequently and clearly to fans and anyone interested; it's an advisable move for artists, or anyone involved in the public sphere who doesn't want to be misunderstood. - SaxxonPike, on 01/22/2008, -1/+35"Of course in reality this would never work because it would require accurate accounting, agreement among thieves, etc."
Love that reasoning. - bat-21, on 01/22/2008, -2/+33Thank God. For a moment, I was afraid Trent had suddenly turned stupid.
- buildbyflying, on 01/22/2008, -1/+24I think a lot of people care what he thinks because he's becoming one of the most forward thinking recording artists of today. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if his current ideas on the future of music distribution were to eclipse his music as his contribution in the last half of this decade.
- DiggUmFrog, on 01/22/2008, -2/+16Trent Reznor 2008!
- MavRevMatt, on 01/22/2008, -1/+13Trent's the man.
- Eeqmcsq, on 01/22/2008, -0/+11Also an ISP tax for music would open up the doors for other taxes, like a tax for movies, software, video games, books, newspapers, and anything else that can be transmitted over the Internet.
- zerobackup, on 01/22/2008, -0/+11Damn everyone needs to slow down on all this hate. Saul Williams sold slightly more than his previous album (and made 5 times more than his previous album). I would not consider that a flop.
- Luminoth, on 01/22/2008, -1/+9People who care what he thinks about it, I would assume.
- inactive, on 01/22/2008, -0/+6Also...it is a RIDICULOUS idea to make everyone susidize the tastes of others.
And I hope the Reznor apologists realize that he is NOT backing down from wanting this to happenb. Just that it could never work. - Araxen, on 01/22/2008, -0/+5Here is the audio of Trent's support of the tax:
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9855319-7.html?pa ... - paulg2000, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5Except that he hasn't accused you of misquoting him. Clearly he's upset about the way his statement was presented, but nowhere do I see the words "misquote". So, two wrongs make a right?...
- acidpolly, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5Trent didn't accuse cnet of misquoting him. Guess nobody was thinking that he didn't really say what was written in the article. He accused you of making him isp-tax supporter in people's eyes because you made a headline out of it. And although you changed it later it was all over the internet already.
Actually what's going on now is the same situation: a couple of phrases about cnet being too absent-minded to extract the main idea of the interview instead of making something big of something little and here we are - everybody thinks that Trent accused cnet of misquoting him.
What goes around comes around, Greg. - AustinMeoang, on 01/22/2008, -3/+7Often times I find myself asking "wwtd?" (What would Trent do?)
- sockpuppets, on 01/22/2008, -2/+6...and you are?
- rjmoriarty, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5I can't believe this required clarification in the first place. The whole of Digg was after Reznor's throat over this thing when it was cleary that he was never really advocating an ISP tax. Christ.
- phaseblue, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3Glad to see this - it was starting to get frustrating reading all these articles putting words in his mouth that all of a sudden NiggyTardust was a "failure" and that he was "pro ISP tax" after making some quick reply to an on-the-spot question.
It sounded like he and Saul Williams made the album they wanted and were happy with it. Using it to test the market for the "pay what you want" model was a useful experiment and (while I love Radiohead and all) releasing the numbers is a lot more useful way to show people the reality of where we are in terms of music and money these days.
I think, if anything, the whole NiggyTardust-numbers thing showed that it's really, really hard for smaller musicians to make money these days - people don't want to pay for it directly, and the labels are purely out to screw people over. Hearing all of this from a musician I've liked for a long time is continually awesome to read. - nanzs, on 01/22/2008, -1/+4Wait a second. You have to admit you took this statement our of context. Yes, he did say the words exactly how you quoted it. However, you neglected to mention how he immediately followed up by saying the ISP tax wouldn't work and gave the example of the tax we pay on 411 services. I mean Greg, your headline on the original draft was bull *****.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3If it was a RIAA label (I know, humor me) they would have said if not for file sharing, it would have sold 5x as many copies.
- inactive, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3This really isn't about politics.
- b8man99, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3The music industry doesn't realise that the game has changed - instead of grabbing a good offer and creating good will with recording artists and buyers, they fight and claw for more money and make the pirating more tempting.
Trent is one of the smartest people in the industry. He sees how things must change and really should be in charge. - zerobackup, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3True, but they would be lying.
- sirloin, on 01/22/2008, -2/+4yeah so much less likely he was misquoted?? sorry but if you've been following the man lately, you'd see how rediculous your comment sounds.
- sirloin, on 01/22/2008, -1/+3i think his point is the industry will do what it wants, reguardless of what he thinks.
- acidpolly, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2"we all" was not about the mankind. I meant the community we have here.
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2This is exactly the issue here, but all the flamers here won't let that come to be because they are ***** shortsighted to the point of retardation. Trent never accused of 'misquoting', basically he's upset (as he should be) that a very minor comment he made which sounded more like an afterthought or what have you was blown COMPLETELY out of proportion due to the fact that it was a headline.
I will be very cautious in reading anything from CNET anymore. - acidpolly, on 01/22/2008, -1/+3first Trent leads the movement against majors and for new innovative ways of releasing music and then he wonders why people care what he thinks :) surprise surprise, we all care!
I didn't have a single doubt that this isp tax stuff in that interview was just nothing. hope cnet learned the lesson well. - PhoenixAgent, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2pretty sure Trent has black hair there bud.
- trunk8, on 01/22/2008, -0/+2Anyone read the article Trent linked to? Long, but well worth a read IMO:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,224154 ... - Araxen, on 01/22/2008, -4/+6^
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Don't feed the trolls - gmoney23, on 01/22/2008, -5/+7Greg Sandoval here from News.com.
Trent Reznor has accused me of misquoting him. This is untrue. I taped the interview and transcribed the tapes. The words in the story are as he said them. You can listen to what Trent said here :
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9855319-7.html?ta ... - Nigmatic, on 01/22/2008, -0/+2I absolutely love how he handles this stuff. Especially the time he called out his record label for over-pricing his own CD! BTW - NiggyTardust is awesome!!!
- wpc33, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Yeah, me too. I would also like to be fed candy while I watch He-Man, and wear OshKoshByGosh...waitaminute...those days are OVER! NOOO...
j/k - PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Yeah, good thing you went out of your way to comment on it to give you even more relief.
- tripzz, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1Bono makes me sick with overinflated ego and rightousness. At least Trent keeps it real instead of running away from his home country so he doesn't have to pay taxes. Bono is such a loser in my opinion. Trent doesn't fake who he is, sad Bono can't do the same.
- solid12345, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1I like Trent and what he is doing but at the end of the day, this utopian "sell your music online" gig just doesn't work. It appealed to hardcore music nerds who are aware and online all the time but the mass public is just not going to care about most bands unless they are hit with a marketing blitz.
Does it make them stupid? No. Even the folk and rock-and-roll bands of the 60s who radically changed the music world required promotion to get to where they were. With the capitalist market becoming more saturated with products, advertising is needed now more than ever. - PoopfaceMorty, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1All because a bunch of reactionary morons read "ISP Tax" in the headline, not like CNET didn't know this would happen.
Noticed how they are blaming him of him blaming them of misquoting him? Way to miss the point entirely, CNET. - MrNexus, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2What would you say if I said I care?
- MWeather, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2Screw Bono. Bob Marley would have done it long ago. Even dead the man is more influential than Bono could ever dream of becoming.
- XxATAROTHxX, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2Bono is a self-serving queef.
- geekee, on 01/22/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/gadgets/Don_t_miss_lessons_Radiohe ...
Their attempts to promote and distribute albums online without the backing of a major record company proved the labels do have value. - PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Also, did anybody click the audio link in CNET's response article? Reznor did say ISP Tax, and shortly thereafter (excluded from the original interview) pretty much shot down that idea with a counterpoint anecdote. So CNET only gave you the first half of Reznor's statement, basically positing him as a fan of taxation, rather than showing him playing devil's advocate with his own suggestion.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1That was my point.
- SiNN4R, on 01/22/2008, -1/+2"Hi I'm bingobongony and everything that comes out of my mouth is retarded."
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Something tells me you didn't listen to the audio byte of the full interview, which CNET conveniently left out originally.
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9855319-7.html?ta ... - PoopfaceMorty, on 01/26/2008, -0/+1Are you reading anything? Or did you just see the word "TAX" and your 'Libertarian Man' alarm went off?
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Umm, isn't that exactly what he said?
- PoopfaceMorty, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1All of the 'take everything literally because they have never exaggeratted or mispoke before' jagholes here will disagree with you, unfortunately.
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