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- j1337, on 10/10/2007, -0/+59Sounds like the name of a disease.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35A terrible idea from a terrible industry. Get with the times.
- DarkEnder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+31Money turned an art in to business.
- RoundysSince, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28Ringtones = For Mobile Phones
Mobile Phones = Wireless
Ringles = A Physical Product Sold in Retail Stores
Illegal Downloads = Easy Access From Home
What part do they not get? - Ademuth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+27Thats retarded. Ring tones are short clips, which are considered "fair use" under the DMCA. You can make your own ring tones from whatever song you want, legally, for FREE.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10If you buy ringtones, then it's probably a good sign you should get a new ***** phone that you can actually own (read: customize). They've been out for years now.
Also a good sign you need a smack across your face for being an idiot. - ThreeDee912, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10They are basically trying to start selling CDS again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_single
The record companies really are stuck in the last century... - zengonzo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Many people don't mind buying things for a reasonable price. You beat the pirates with quality of experience, decent price and ease of access. They often blow it on all three.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7What's wrong with a little civil disobedience? I think we should make it clear that we are interested, but that we're sick of draconian copyright laws. I get the whole piracy thing, but why the ***** should I have to buy multiple copies of something I already own?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Before Napster, nobody made a fuss over what I did with my own music that I purchased legally. I'm not gonna get into the whole file-sharing business, but before Napster, if I wanted to copy my own CD onto my computer, nobody ever said a damn thing, and nobody tried to stop me.
Now, because I might illegally share it with everyone on the Internet, suddenly I don't have the right to do anything with the music on my CD. I can't make back-up copies, I can't use the songs to make a mix CD... In general, the concept of fair use is dead. - zengonzo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Yes, they did.
- AJH16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Because Napster showed that there were alternate forms of distribution to paying a giant company to take over half your rights and give you almost nothing back but the offer to distribute your music.
- PersonX2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Didn't you read, the ringtones ARE "free." You know, on the $6 single.
- 1ofMany, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5When it fails the RIAA will blame piracy.
- mapez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4***** the RIAA.
- jeriqo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7I wonder why nobody called it a "terrible" industry before Napster...
- carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4ask nintendo, I'm still buying metroid and super mario brothers 20 years later.
- qpdb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5DRM'd ringtones...
- ArmchairAthlete, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4People who have to pay for ringtones are dumb =P
- Arramol, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Which is part of why some of the studios are dropping DRM. And lo and behold, it hasn't caused some piracy apocalypse like they kept pretending it would - they still make their money, but now we don't have to hassle with their DRM ridiculousness.
- ArthurSucks, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I said of this Sony, ignore it, and it will simply go away.
- AJH16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They could make LEGAL for a REASONABLE price from your HOME. Some of us still believe in upholding the law even if we think it is being abused by corrupt power hungry organizations because ultimatly the real legitimate way to "stick it to the RIAA" is to not use their music at all. If people are illegally downloading, they figure they are doing things right and people are just stealing from them. If people stopped having any kind of interest at all in what they were offering, they would know there is a problem.
- cloudyprison, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3CDs? Stores? 3 songs for 6 bucks ON A CD? Who is their target audience? Honestly.
- goodoldharris, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"Apple is also not thrilled about letting users make unencrypted music of their own into custom ringtones and has taken steps to prevent this by updating the iTunes software."
Has Ars Technica read the license agreements between Apple and the labels? Apple has some leverage to bargain, but the labels control the content. It's not to hard to imagine that the labels may have required Apple to not make the ringtone tools available for non-DRM'd music as a condition of licensing. - carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3too bad they have no chance of having "ease of access" that can compare to piracy until they drop DRM.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Phase 3 is ?????
Where the hell have you been? - chrismgtis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If you just said EFF in a negative way, you deserve a punch in the throat.
- Antwan718, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2there is seriously a problem in America when people are willing to pay 6 dollars for a CD with 3 songs and 10 dollars to see a movie in a theater, but then complains when they spend more than 5$ on a meal...
the idiocy of the general population makes me want to vomit. - luchid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Wait... will the CD also include fun rootkits from Sony? Otherwise it's not such a good deal.
- enigmaneo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I agree totally. I have vowed not to buy any music from labels under the RIAA but I have also vowed not to download their music. I feel this is the only way I can hurt them in the pocket, and not give them a legitimate reason to cry about how piracy hurts them.
- bbardlbradd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The sad thing about this is... people that shop @ wall*mart (the same people that buy all of those crappy eMachines without knowledge of what a computer is or does, and willingly installs AOL (dial-up), and then rarely ever use it just to see the windows start up and show their ignorant friends that they have an internets and that they are cooler now, but then calls their grandkids to come fix it b/c somehow it's not functioning properly w/ windows xp with 32Mb of RAM)... will still buy this *****.
People that don't know what's going on in the rest of the world, don't know that when they buy this ***** they are purchasing support for the limitation of human liberty. Sadly enough, this happens daily. No matter what comes out, there will be a market for it, even if it's their own asses being handed to them in an "AS SEEN ON TV" labeled box. - BaxterK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Less ***** music might "stem the blood loss" of the music industry.
- MedHead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I don't really remember the other options. I thought one of them replaced the ring tone with a music video, but I'm not sure.
- mabhatter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1most people make under $100 per day. For a family of 4 how many meals do you need to buy versus CDs you MIGHT buy? Another way, you go to lunch every day for $10, do you buy 7 CD's every week? I'd doubt it.
- BaxterK, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2He was knocking Apple's ringtones you moron.
- tomis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What I want someone to explain is why singles became so popular. Even back in the days of vinyl singles would have been heard all over the radio, negating the point of buying them in physical form.
So why would people buy just one song at an inflated price when you can wait for the complete album to come out and overall get better value for your money? Seriously. Can someone explain this to me? - Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2heh... Some people have probs with premature ejaculation, others with premature aggression..
- jgrossma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"I'd rather pay $6 for a few songs with three songs that I want to hear and a ringtone"
Or you could pay $3 for the same three songs (or $0.99 for the one you want without the filler tracks, remixes, etc) and make your own ringtone for free - totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1the term "bereft of imagination" comes to mind :p
- chriskzoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No, Napster showed that there was an easy way to steal music rather anonymously. I'm sure most of my mostly computer illiterate friends were thinking "whoa, why didn't the RIAA think of THIS for of distribution!?" *rolls eyes*
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because the iPhone has apps that let you put your own ringtones on it.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Isn't Apple doing sort of the same thing with the iPhone and iTunes? They're totally locking the machine down to anything other than ringtones bought in iTunes for $1 more. So....how is this different? Am I missing something?
I hate the RIAA too, but there has been too little complaining about the iPhone ringtone *****. - slappynutz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Pretty sure the reason people buy singles is because most complete albums are terrible. Typically 1-2 tracks per album ever hit it with the general population, so if they just buy the two "good" songs they're saving money on buying the rest of the album which probably stinks.
I don't do that, but then again I only buy albums from artists that I actually like. - airj1012, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This has to be on of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Lets see our customers 3 1/2 songs for $6. I guess it's better than buying the CD single but I still wouldn't want a remix version of the song, nor would I want some random old track that I may not even like. I'd stick with iTunes and make my own ring tone. I'm not really pleased that their service is so expensive ( I thought it would be priced better) but it still beats a lot of other services based on price. Plus you get to choose the section of the song you'd like to use. Sorry, ringles, anti-digg. - http://www.cdnoise.com
- ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1***** ringleberries. The free market at work ... what they can charge you for, they will, and if they can't, they'll sue you until they can.
- mabhatter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1the last court ruling tended toward "fair use" being allowed only because nobody was using that particular item (ringtone, placeshifting, timeshifting, etc) as a business model. If they start selling ringtones outright with the music, then they have a leg to stand on to stop other forms of "fair use" in the future.
On the other hand, I think this is great. They should have done this 7 years ago. For instance if they put the song and the iTunes/WMA/Real? download right on the disk it would reduce piracy online a bunch. They wouldn't even have to encode it, just require an account with one of those places to unlock it. It would make a great marketing tool to track where songs go even if they didn't get paid... but of course if YOU pay $5 for something you're not going to share it for free.. you'll persuade your friends to pay for it too so they can "have" the shiny disc. But mostly it would kill the illegal download market quickly by "allowing" casual piracy but not online piracy. - MedHead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I was part of a survey about this, and saw it go from a basic idea to a retail product. Every step of the way I thought it was a bit silly, yet it was the best of the options available.
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1The RIAA doesn't realize...we get it. We did the math.
Movies cost from $10-200 MILLION and thousands of people to make. DVDs are sold for $6-20 and include 2+ hours of video and 2+ hours of 5.1 audio plus DVD bonuses, extras, etc.
Music CDs cost from $50,000-$2 million and a few score people to record. CDs are sold from $10-20 and include 45+ minutes of stereo audio.
DVDs are more expensive in media and printing costs, unless the CD has a booklet, in which case the costs are probably comparable.
So, RIAA, we KNOW you've been ripping us off with HUGELY overpriced music CDs and we KNOW you aren't giving crap back to the actual artists to created this art for US, the consumer. And yet, the movie industry seems to be able to pay their artists (thousands of them) very well indeed at the time of creation AND residuals for key creative talent AND make one hell of a profit year after year.
Why can't you do the same?
Because the RIAA represents a breed of dying dinosaurs. If you listen closely, you can hear their screams as they sink in the online distribution tar pits, wondering "where did all the easy to catch and eat food go?" Don't bother to explain it to them. It's impossible for lean, intelligent mammals to explain evolution to reptiles with huge appetites and brains the size of walnuts.
- mabhatter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1original 45's with just 2 songs were more than that cost adjusted for inflation. But manufacturing costs were higher then. Actually if this worked we'd see more EPs out. Just 3-4 songs + the digital stuff, music video, MP3, cover art, website... it's called MARKETING and if they did it correctly the kiddies would love it! And most people still like to buy stuff.. most kids don't have online payment methods without asking mom and dad anyway,
- billymeade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Do you remember any of the other options? That would be an interesting read...
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