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- Alfyx, on 11/07/2008, -3/+52Not being able to purchase music by Kid Rock is always a good thing.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Kid Rock makes music?
- shortkid422, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Or you can go buy their CD now and burn it at much better quality (and convert that to go on your iTunes), but hey, why use logic?
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23no. That's why he's not on iTunes.
- parislemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7sorry not sure why it went dead
find it here again:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/ITUNES_HOLDOUTS?SITE=NVLAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT - AXNJAXN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I want Jethro Tull, darn it all!
- admirabumblebee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I know for sure that if Radiohead got on intunes, apple would have quite a bit of my money.
In fact I think I'll set aside some money for that eventuality now. Put it next to my Wii fun (which is intop of my xbox 360). - spkaine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Not sure why these artists are holding out, but I can tell you this: Once I got my ipod I listened to music much more and am many times more likely to buy more music just because of the ipod.
Apple makes it so easy to buy online and download - these guys are just missing revenue because of it. I suppose the could end up like those 2 brothers with the NBA/ABA Contract though. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-aba31jul31,0,917243.story - scratched, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I wouldn't go that far.
They're a great band with lots of talent, but I don't think I'd consider them the greatest. There are too many other great bands from around that time period to consider them the greatest.
I'm looking forward to seeing them on iTunes though. I already have all their CDs but I'd like to see a band with such huge popularity try a new business model. Bands like Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, etc. are what will push iTunes further into the mainstream.
Think about it, the **AAs fear the internet because they see it as the death of their business model. If bands like LZ & The Beatles were on iTunes the RIAA might see how it is possible to make money online...
Or it could make them more greedy. Who knows.... - gothicx00, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Exactally what makes the junk that Creative puts out better than any iPod?
It's more expensive, a pain in the butt to transfer stuff, and has a horrible interface!
If i'm gonna plop down $400 on a HD based mp3 player, i'd rather get twice the space for my money and a better interface, backed by *the most popular* online music store. - MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -20/+23Led Zeppelin = greatest band of all time.
- bash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@MacDork: I think the Beatles would be a pretty agreeable choice for the best band ever, although I could be mistaken...
- roadies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A better title would have been "Metallica: Well, Guess iTunes is Ok"
- iamexcite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree that disabling autoplay is a good idea, and that ideally every computer user would know how to avoid rootkits and spyware, but that's never going to happen. Nevertheless, I don't think it's a reason to avoid buying CD's.
Note: in this particular case, I think "Hail to the Thief" was the first Radiohead album to have copy protection (though not a rootkit). My copies of the other ones are pre-HttT, so I don't know if a copy of OK Computer fresh from Best Buy will have copy protection or not.
Anyway, go out to a used music store and I'm sure you can find everything from Pablo Honey through Hail to the Thief for under $10/each. Lossless, cheaper, and you get the artwork and actual disc for your car rather than a CD-R labeled with a sharpie and thrown in with a bunch of lookalike discs.
IMO, if you're after a single song, single, b-side, etc., then ITMS or an alternative will get you what you want to hear with a minimum of fuss. If you're after a whole album, then buying a product in its original form has some advantages. All that said, perhaps the "original form" will change to downloads within the next 5-10 years. - rdoger6424, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@disposablerob
They sell albums for $9.99 also - vhmalex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4*cough* http://allofmp3.com *cough*
- DigDugDigger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"But the artists argue online distribution leaves them with too small a profit."
I'd think that online distribution leaves them with more of a profit. CD's need to be stamped then shipped around the country, and with the gas prices the way that they are, the cost of shipping is increasing. When they aren't being shipped, they are held in warehouses, where you have building costs and personnel costs to cover. Then they are shipped to the store where the store (like iTunes) makes a profit.
With online distribution, doesn't the data get sent from the label to the online retailer and that's it? - iamexcite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've heard the iTunes model still gives the artists a pretty small cut. This is largely the music industry's fault, but there may be reasons for holding out.
Disclaimer: blog links below are not from my blog, and the sites are not my sites. I'm not sure if all of the facts are right (it's a blogger's attempt to estimate after all), but I have yet to see a story of how the iTunes Music Store et al are making artists happy. I would personally be more suspect of the RIAA or Apple walking me through calculations, but I won't pretend that these sites don't have bias. That said...
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/06/14/weird-al-yankovic-says-digital-is-a-raw-deal-for-some-artists/
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/04/28/cheap-trick-allman-brothers-sue-sony-bmg-over-digital-distribut/
http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/ - MacDork, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Stating that any musical band is the greatest of all time on the internet is pure trolling.
- cky3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2AC/DC would be heaven for me. I think this is actually Sony's fault as I believe they own the rights and we all know Sony.
- Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2nikhilnidhi, you shoulda ordered from Apple. I got a refurbished 30gig for $200 just yesterday. Should ship tomorrow. And like many others I had the same idealogy, the iPod was overpriced, hyped, but after playing with a few, they are just better and more widely supported.
- dexOtaku, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Heheh... here I thought, reading "last of the iTunes holdouts" that the article was going to be about people who are still using iTunes as a player.
- Aniz-Ansari, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3No Husker Du
- trancient, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's all a matter of time till these hold outs come aboard.
The future is obvious and unavoidable. - AMSRay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Tull is on Rhapsody.
- chandrasonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why those songs aren't available on iTunes? Because bands like Radiohead and Led Zeppelin consider albums as a whole. And, I think, if they used the "album only" option on iTunes they would be booed with comments like "all they want is money" and such. So they prefer not be be on it, at all. After all, they don't need that to make profit... for now.
- biglouddrums, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about the Meatmen? When are they going to be on itunes?
- PrincesChik, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1I just feel sorry for the people at itunes who have to compile those Essential lists (especially those about the 60's) without the Beatles. I hope they'll hurry up and just get them and AC/DC on there already!
- imightbewrong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Thom Yorke is the ***** man
- iamexcite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@rdoger6424: I think the 9.99 option isn't always available, though I'm not 100% on that. Nice when it is there, though.
@disposablerob: In terms of money, the artists probably don't lie awake at night worrying about people who are only going to download only select songs, since they're still getting a pretty low percentage of the profits and have to deal with advances, baseless deductions (I believe the compact disc format still gets a deduction for being a "risky new technology"), and all the standard record industry tactics. Even so, they make more money from the sale of an album than the sale of two songs, so they'd probably prefer you buy the album. Whether or not the rest of the songs are worth anything to begin with depends largely on which artist's music you're buying.
From an artistic point of view, I'm sure that many artists would prefer fans listen to a work as a whole and own/copy the entire album rather than a single song. I've heard that some musicians are even against the "Greatest Hits" concept of music because it slices up their work and throws it out to consumers just to get people to buy or re-buy songs they hear on the radio. There are some greatest hits and live albums out there that were made largely to get one step closer to getting out of a bad record contract.
You can argue that's because they'd prefer you buy three albums rather than one, but I'm sure most of us have favorite albums that we'd consider complete only with all the tracks present and in a certain order.
Sorry for jumping all over the place here, but I'm trying to say that the album as a format isn't dead yet. - emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0that whole rootkit is mostly a concern for people who don't know how to protect their computers, as in people who don't know much about computers. Disabling autoplay and a few other measures are the first things you ought to do.
- knightrider1919, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sorry to burst some of your Beatle lovin bubbles, but due to the fact that Apple ( the beatles famous music label) sued Apple ( Steve Jobs baby) over the Company name they came to an agreement that Apple computers could use the name as long as they NEVER got into the music bussiness. So i wouldn't think we will ever see any Beatles music ( other than covers) on iTunes in the furture.
- pterodactyl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ emorphien: don't be a douche, rootkits are not simply a computer configuration issue. you are downplaying a bigger issue. is it alright to bundle a rootkit if it isn't installed using autoplay?
- Duke218, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seger just added his new song, not any of his older work.
- chromium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good, I hope Radiohead and The Beatles never appear on iTunes. All of Radiohead's catalogue can already be purchased on warchild music (a charity organisation).
- xcheats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Not its not.
- theiss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Article should read "Last of the marketing morons that don't realize that people will easily pay what iTunes is asking but instead go out and find the songs on fileshares 'cause they're not on iTunes." Hello.... you guys are losing money! If you're gonna be so boneheaded about the new state of music, why not go back to releasing yours on 8 track?
- AICkieran, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Its illegal, Doesn't that really defeat the object of BUYING music? If your going to listen to illegal music dont sugar coat it just ***** download it free.
- AICkieran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, We all know sony, Money talks.
- treleung, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why those songs aren't available on iTunes? Because bands like Radiohead and Led Zeppelin consider albums as a whole. And, I think, if they used the "album only" option on iTunes they would be booed with comments like "all they want is money" and such. So they prefer not be be on it, at all. After all, they don't need that to make profit... for now."
Excactly. If I was an artist that had a comfurtable living (making good money), I would not release my music out into a world where Lil Bow Wow can put my music on his celebrity playlist. - modafekshen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Thom York is on iTunes because his album is with a record label,
radiohead is no longer on a lable, i dont see them on iTunes any time soon. - Topsnack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1radiohead is not under contract with a label right now. this is part of the reason they aren't on itunes.
- emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@pterodactyl
it's absolutely not alright, but being an audio snob CDs can have enough drawbacks as it is, I'm not going to pay more for less.
This whole rootkit nonsense shows how easily the RIAA and compatriots can pull the wool over our eyes and get away with murder. What happened to consumer's rights? The lawmakers are forgetting that we exist and the companies are glad to take advantage of us. - Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Um...Radiohead doesn't use rootkits. Only copy protection they've used on their CDs is just to keep you from ripping it, easily bypassed and not crazy over-the-top.
- MacDork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"It was overpriced, has no radio, and doesn't support WMA playback. But I still like it." -- nikhilnidi
Sounds more to me like your other mp3 players were budget-priced.
You get what you pay for. - hrdcregmer808, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1honolulu advertiser.... =p i live in Mililani on oahu
- sdore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Fort Minor is on iTunes...it's Mike Shinoda from Linkin park
- DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Not to mention that at $.99 a song, it still costs more than a CD in most cases. Or do the artists prefer that people buy whole albums for the two or three goods songs that they want?
- nikhilnidhi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I'm not gonna lie..I used to have the exact same ideology. In about 2001 or so I was trying to decide between an Ipod mini or the creative zen micro..and at the time I hated Apple and all their "overrated" stuff, so I decided to go with the creative. Bad choice. I'm now on my 3rd zen micro, and it has started messing up also. A headphone jack problem, a display problem, and now it seems as if i have a hd problem, but Creative refuses to replace it. So now the only way I can start it is to bang it on the table a few times before it begins to play any music.
My new black video 30g Ipod ships tommorow from Amazon..
It was overpriced, has no radio, and doesn't support WMA playback. But I still like it. -
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