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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+47The Who are absolutely 100% spot-on though. The Internet as it pertains to the music industry is just a means to get the albums out to be heard. Any artist who thinks they're going to make money on music song sales via the Internet is a complete fool. Artists make all their money from live performances anyway, and you can't download the "concert experience".... yet.
- mazerrackham, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27psst...they released their latest album in october 2006
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25They're probably just irritated that "the" and "who" were both labeled as common terms on Google for so long that no one could find them on the Internet :p
- Sandwiches_Time, on 10/12/2007, -21/+36Townsend believes in the Internet enough to download child pornography, apparently.
- cliffotn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Lets get away from the sensational writing and take note as to what Pete Townsend is saying here. He feels the future of Rock and Roll is in live performances. Who can argue with that? If bands were to take that opinion and make it their own, they may see releasing music as simply a way to fill up concert venues. Music could literally become as free as listening to the radio is, only the promotional aspect wouldn't be commercial breaks it'd be building up an audience to come see the band in concert.
- briguymaine, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24Pete Townsend believed in it when he was downloading kiddy porn.
- wbskeet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10He's on First...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Typical Digg community response...someone says something that they don't agree with (but is correct) so you attack the man with lies.
Don't let the FACTS of the child pornography case get in the way. He had NO child pornography on his computers and was not charged with anything.
UglieJosh...Not relevent? ANY rock opera owes its existence to Tommy. - Guard, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Is it strange that he says he's not into the internet on a live webcast on www.thewhotour.com?
- libertao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Not just on CSI, Who songs turn up all over TV soundtracks once you start to notice it.
- Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Clever.
You got d-d-dugg down 5 times in the first four minutes.
I guess they didn't g-g-g-get it. - Hamhock, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I know it's a bit crazy to expect anyone to read the article, but the headline is really just wrong. Here's what Townshend says:
"The Internet promises a lot of things - some it delivers, some it doesn't," Townshend, 61, told a news conference, adding one thing it does offer is the ability to sell tickets.
"It is probably the most powerful informational, promotional tool today. It's a very effective, focused machine for promotion. I look forward to using it for live events, there's a big scope for live music and live events."
Sounds to me like he "believes" in the internet. Daltrey just says he prefers festivals over the internet for music promotion. Which, given their stature, makes sense. They aren't a new band that no one has ever heard of. Obviously, if you are a new band, the internet is a great resource for promotions. But, if your audience is primarily over 40, then My Space is probably not the best place for you or your music. - joshua5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Free download today, paid concert tomorrow.
- CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I liked the Tubes
- libertao, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7But live performing requires all that "talent" stuff! No room for multiple voice overlays, rerecordings, digital voice manipulation...
- bitkari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Live Music and the Internet aren't mutually exclusive.
Sure, live performances are incredibly important, and nothing can replace the experience of going to a concert, festival or club night.
But the Internet is how a lot of people find out about live events. It's often how people organise parts of their social lives, including music events. - adcat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Call them old fashioned, but the founding members of The Who think selling out is the future of rock, are probably very happy whoring their songs to CBS on CSI.
- DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Duuuude, that was "research"!
- flxfxp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They are still mad at Google because of what happened in the past.
"The" is a common word, and was not included in your search
"Who" is a common word, and was not included in your search - CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Exactly. Live performance is the one venue where the artist is in control (or at least can be) rather than the RIAA.
Most bands that make real money do it through touring, sale of "genuine" merchandise, etc. Record sales benefit only the record companies. - BullTaco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@RuffRidr
and your opinions are irrelevant to their music. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Pete's innocent!!!
Free him :) - ntmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I had thought as recently as last summer Pete Townsend wanted to broadcast at least some of the concert footage over the Internet, but Daltrey didn't want to have to have the expense and hassle of it.... anyone else remember that? I thought it was just 6-8 months ago. And I know Pete has done other shows/performances/etc. over the web before as well.
- expatiom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Where in the article does it say "they don't believe in the internet?"
Reuters screwing with words again to make headlines.
Edit. Agree with Hamhock - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Investigations determined that he did not downoad one single picture, and that he reported the website to authorities.
But since you are on Digg, you never let FACTS get in the way of making yourself look like a total ***** idiot. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6you're right, no one reads notes off of a laptop, he MUST support live-internet-concerts!
- embo500, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm seeing a lot of bashing of The Who, but really they are incredibly relevant in rock music history. Please...all of you...sit down and listen to the entire Quadrophenia album. Or the entire Tommy album. Just once. They are very powerful albums, masterfully constructed, that have stood the test of time. I'll admit that the band was never the same after Keith Moon died, but I think most anyone would agree with that.
And if you think they don't still have it, watch them kick all sorts of ass at the Concert for NYC in 2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aSGeAaAg9M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWWxf0exYkw&mode=related&search=
Or at Live 8 in 2005:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zydAs5bRW1U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQqnzdVqJk
Trust me...a lot of your favorite bands not only are fans of these guys, but owe a significant portion of who they are to them. - moneyries, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7i mean, how much can a series of tubes really bring to the table?
- Essefgy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Good job on the misleading and inaccurate headline.
- hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Pete Townsend believes that the Internet is useful for *ahem* "research."
- aserer511, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, live music is where it's at, but how of ten do you wanna pay 50+ for a ticket and leave your house 1 hour before the show to get parking, etc?
- strangerzero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I usually lose interest in seeing bands if I have to go to a huge arena and see them. If I catch them while they are still in the clubs that's cool otherwise I just listen to the records if I like a band that is that popular.
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Darth...so, any time any band does a reunion tour it must be all about money?"
I consider Pete Townshend to be one of the great artists in rock history, along with the likes of Bob Dylan and Paul Simon (old school though he be). So I'm not here to rag by any means...
But, indeed, their reunion tour was about money. Townshend said so himself, something to the effect that "I was on a plane doing the math on how much money an American tour would bring..." It was basically a no-brainer, and within a year he had Entwistle and Daltrey on board and on tour. I saw the tour, and it was still pretty good... WAY better than their mid-'80s "Farewell" tour (one of the worst concerts I've ever seen).
For them, touring is about money, that was the point of the article after all! And frankly that's how it is for a lot of bands -- at least Pete's telling it straight. Tours make money, and tours sell albums. That's just the way it is.
-Pie - redheadguy719, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ok, the title is misleading, but read the frickin' article before you post dumbass comments that say "they believe in the internet! The have a website!!"
- HepSim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well said. It's kind of frustrating because they mock him for the child pornography thing (which was completely disproved), and they also don't bother to do any research and discover that Pete actually has lavished praise on the internet before and its ability to distribute music to such large numbers of people. He doesn't really even say anything in the article that would indicate he doesn't "believe" in the internet - it's just Roger saying he's not really into it.
And well, if people think the internet is better for live music than attending an actual concert, well, I guess that's just a fundamental difference of opinion. I've been to a Who concert. I know where I stand. - snapdeus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The police searched Townshend's house and confiscated 14 computers but after forensic investigation found no evidence of child pornography. As a result, the police decided to offer him a caution rather than charge him with an offence, issuing a statement reading "After four months of investigation by officers from Scotland Yard's child protection group, it was established that Mr Townshend was not in possession of any downloaded child abuse images."
-Wikipedia. - zubi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Live music is what its all about.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Buried as inaccurate.
RTFA - diggdick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2people try to put me down - just because my webservers down
talkin bout my generation. - HepSim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm assuming it was a series of colossal mistakes (a massive coincidence) that people are giving you the thumbs-up.
I don't personally understand why this whole child pornography thing is such a joking matter here. He was cleared of all charges because he an established alibi. Look it up (do some "research") and you'll be enlightened. Until then, it's incredibly disrespectful to mock him when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well the reasoning behind this is simple. For bands like the who, the payoff from live performances is much bigger for them than the Internet - and even from recorded media such as CD'.s
They don't have such a big problem with the recording industry bleeding them dry of their last red cent on CD sales and can pretty much (if they are smart enough) negotiate their own terms.
So it's all about economics really.
Having said which there is room for compromise - as I would certainly consider paying to see more streamed high quality live concerts - particularly from locations which it is difficult for me to go and see in person.
But if they really imagine that the Internet is not the future of media, then they are probably just behaving like the old rock dinosaurs that they are - as like a lot of people of 'their generation' they probably just don't get it. - omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So who do I call to find out when they're on tour?
- ZombieFlanders, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Live gigs are far better for bands to make money on. The internet is far better as a distribution system for the band's music (which can also translate into a revenue stream). However, a band needs to be able to cut it live in order to deserve any earnings/fame they receive on their internet tunes, IMO.
A lot of bands that are famous today are so because they're good looking and act like rock stars well, not because they rock live in concert. Ask yourself: Would Janis Joplin be famous today? I don't think so because she's not hot. Britney, you can stuff her in tight pants and have the computer make her sing good and overdub her on stage. Janis had actual talent, something that the britster, despite her prior hotness, just doesn't have. Sorry about the mini rant, but it's analogous to my point. - dragongrrl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2man, many of you cats are showing how young you are. bash led zeppelin next, whydoncha?
anywho....
yes, performing LIVE is the way bands make money. not from selling records. tickets and merch so the record company doesn't get a massive cut (usually 90% of a record's price).
and the experience of seeing a band live is so ***** awesome as a fan.
but the internet is awesome for promotion, ticket sales, and fans. fans love posting to message boards about the band. fans love sharing bootlegs via bittorrent. fans love buying merch over the Net.
luckily for the Who, they don't have to promote anymore. at least, "not so much" over the internet cos a lesser proportion of their fans geek out online only because so many of their fans are older. plus, these guys know damn well they'll sell out arenas without having to work hard at it.
their opinions on the Net are driven by the fact that THEY don't need the Net. as with many people, they are incapable of seeing that not everyone has the same experience as they.
i used to love The Who. they've become increasingly irrelevant since they decided to keep touring after entwhistle died. and cos they are so blatantly out of touch. - aaaleman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Live music IS what it's all about...
- HepSim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So when does the "internet age" start? Obviously sometime later than this past October, at least in your mind. And did you read the article? He doesn't say he doesn't believe in the internet. This is certainly an interestingly-titled article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endless_Wire_%28The_Who_album%29 - HepSim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree. The unfinished album behind Who's Next (Lifehouse) has been described by Townshend as what he envisioned the internet would be like back when he wrote it in 1971, and Endless Wire's entire miniopera is based off the notion of using the internet as a means to distribute music to massive numbers of people.
- DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@broomett
In your 60's? Yes. - sfrench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Tangentally related. The Who had an abandoned rock opera called Lifehouse that revolved around a network called the Grid. I remember reading the synopsis a few years back and wondering where the idea for the Matrix movies really came from. Wikipedia knows more... you can just read there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifehouse_(album)
Oh ya, and they are dead on. With a good band, live music beats the piss out of overproduced studio music any day (see: Pearl Jam). - cpuenvy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Pete apparently believes in the Internet...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/petetownshend1.html -
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