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  • skateboard1, on 03/10/2008, -37/+105Kurt at the top of the evolutionary ladder, as it should be.
    • rpgmaker, on 03/10/2008, -31/+114If Kurt hadn't killed himself he wouldn't be praised that much. Right now you would be posting how he sucked for selling out and being 'so mainstream'.
      • theradical, on 03/10/2008, -2/+90Your powers of determining alternate timelines intrigues me. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
      • ufia, on 03/10/2008, -1/+33Or maybe he would have won a Nobel Prize for discovering life on Mars?
        • Devotia, on 03/10/2008, -0/+16Maybe if he was lucky, he'd be presenting it to President Bowie.
          • edwartica, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Hell, maybe he would of been president himself!
      • Syphon8, on 03/10/2008, -3/+8Maybe he would've killed David Grohl instead.
        • Napalmhaze, on 03/10/2008, -7/+2Instead of Dave Grohl killing him?... Hmm I jest not, if he was murdered Dave Grohl had as much reason as Courtney. :p
        • Napalmhaze, on 03/10/2008, -2/+2Hey so maybe I was joking, but its food for thought huh? I mean would I have been Dugg down had I just said Courtney did it? I mean thats always a popular view! That'll teach me for saying something outside the norm on digg!
        • rilus, on 03/10/2008, -1/+1That's right. You should know by now that Digg is entirely a popularity contest.
      • Pillage, on 03/10/2008, -2/+28He's be ***** that he's responsible for nickleback and puddle of mud.
      • rompom7, on 03/10/2008, -1/+5Thats why he got out early. Maybe with a little help from a girlfriend...
        • Napalmhaze, on 03/14/2008, -1/+1Rest my case... Someone mentions Courtney did it and he gets dugg up. Heres an Idea! He ***** killed himself!
      • tecunx, on 03/10/2008, -2/+71. Back in 1994 all the "alternatives" were actually ***** all over Nirvana's new In Utero album, which was probably a better album than nevermind.
        2. Pearl Jam were actually more respected and selling more records than Nirvana, who had become over exposed
        3. Even though Nirvana´s modern praise could be attributed to Kurt´s death (or assassination), we can not forget that a few months later Blind Melon´s lead singer tried to pull the same stunt. Proving to everyone that sometimes death can not be the best career move. What was that guy´s name?
        • almostspastic, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2don't play like that, Hoon was the man!
    • headzoo, on 03/10/2008, -4/+27I can think of plenty of artists/bands that would go before Kurt. Specifically all the great bands that either influenced him, or bands that he copied.
      • Syphon8, on 03/10/2008, -1/+6Ya, but Black Francis would look out of place.
      • thefangedrabbit, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4The first band that was really labeled alternative was R.E.M, if I remember correctly. Maybe they should be first.
        • 5urr3al5am, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1yeah I was thinking this started before the 90s.. and to not put R.E.M. on the list is foolish.. kinda proves that it must have been written by the unexperienced
          • ConceptJunkie, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1Everyone thinks music started with the first group _they_ heard about.

            "Alternative" traces its roots back to punk, which was far more "alternative".
    • dext3r, on 03/10/2008, -1/+17Image is inaccurate; Cobain played left handed.

      Whoops. Its been said already down below. Oh well.
      • mahdaeng, on 03/10/2008, -10/+3Actually, Cobain wouldn't know what a guitar was if one jumped up and bit him on the face. Why is it that no matter how much a so-called musician sucks, if he commits suicide he becomes an instant martyr for the cause?

        Yeah, yeah, I know...digg me down.
        • sfrench, on 03/10/2008, -3/+1I never really liked Nirvana very much, but the MTV Unplugged performance was nothing short of brilliant. If nothing else, that performance is something worthy of remembering him for.

          I still don't buy that Kurt was a "great guitarist", and I always cringe when he's included in top 100 lists that say he is, but he was certainly competent enough to carry the guitar parts for their songs.
          • mahdaeng, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1[[he was certainly competent enough to carry the guitar parts for their songs]]

            Not a real technical feat, my friend.

            :^)
    • woofers07, on 03/10/2008, -10/+12If by Kurt you mean Eddie Vedder, then yeah I totally agree.
      • edwartica, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3Pearl Jam was good, then they put out a second album.
        • sfrench, on 03/11/2008, -0/+2Are you kidding me?! Their second album was VS which sold almost a million copies in it's first week, currently has sold over 7 million copies, got 3 Grammy nominations, and is considered by many to be one of the best albums to have come out of the Seattle music scene.
        • Innagadadavida, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1Y'know, it's funny. Most people tend to judge music based on their personal taste. Not by how many awards it won.
    • thatcrazycommie, on 03/10/2008, -1/+11Dinosaur Jr (his favorite band, my favorite band, and pretty much the founders of alternative rock) should be ahead of him.
      • rcran, on 03/10/2008, -0/+5J Mascis would look great on that chart, with the hair and all.

        • falafelkiosken, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2and cow stickers on his purple jazzmaster
      • Napalmhaze, on 03/10/2008, -0/+10You are totally forgetting Sonic Youth and the Pixies!
      • ohgr, on 03/10/2008, -0/+13The Pixies
        • Grova, on 03/10/2008, -0/+5Kurt openly admitted he ripped off Boston as well as the Pixies. When Smells Like Teen Spirit was released as a single, he himself described it as a 'bad Pixies song'.
      • falafelkiosken, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2if you hadn't wrote that, I would
      • ibeandy, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1I would agree but I think bands like my bloody valentine and sonic youth had as much infulence as them too
      • republicker, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Mother Love Bone
    • sfrench, on 03/10/2008, -2/+7Alternative is a horrible title to label music with (as is Grunge). But if you want to talk about the Punk/Metal hybrid that came out of Seattle.... all conversations must include Green River (which then split to become part of Mudhoney and part of Pearl Jam).
    • fugazied, on 03/10/2008, -0/+6Dinosaur JR weren't that influential. Frank Black and the pixes on the other hand.... Huge influence on cobain's punk with pop sensibilities.
      • Wonderama, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Dugg for Pixies reference. Damn laddies.
      • Funkleft, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Black Flag and R.E.M. are even above kurt...
    • cmiller1, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3Although I love kurt, the FATHERS of alternative really were the late underground punk bands and proto alternatives like TMBG (they started performing alternative like music in the early 80s in clubs in NYC, WAAAAY before nirvana got together)
      • edwartica, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1It surprises me that some people don't know this.
    • SpriteMV, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Is it just me or is Kurt wearing a Sega Dreamcast shirt in the picture?
  • fluidfoundation, on 03/10/2008, -13/+405Does it breakdown further into my chemical romance?
    • Fizban140, on 03/10/2008, -147/+6No because they are actually a good band, and here is a nice STFU if you don't agree:
      http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/mychemical ...
      • Scarfy, on 03/10/2008, -2/+69L
        O
        L
      • esteskid, on 03/10/2008, -2/+43wow that sure shut me the ***** up, now i love my chemical romance, they're so good now that i know that
        plus, 78% is only a C+
        • Fizban140, on 03/10/2008, -8/+2Funny, because the majority of albums are ranked under 50.
      • hammburglar, on 03/10/2008, -0/+69i base my likes and dislikes on metacritic. i have no mind of my own. all praise the all knowing metacritic.
        • Fizban140, on 03/10/2008, -6/+1Ya well he is basing his like or dislike of a band of stereotypes and most likely what other people like the band.
      • DJafrodijiak, on 03/10/2008, -3/+32this is a site that ranks nine inch nails lower than my chemical romance. 'nuf said.
        • Fizban140, on 03/10/2008, -11/+1Its metacritic retard, if you don't know what metacritic is you just lost the internet.
          • elbonito665, on 03/10/2008, -0/+5we all just lost the internet.
          • Fizban140, on 03/11/2008, -3/+1Wow you seriously don't know what metacritic is? You must be new.
      • Whaines, on 03/10/2008, -1/+19Heh, everyone join me in rating My Chemical Romance back down where they deserve!
      • jbrowng, on 03/10/2008, -2/+15Why won't Digg let me digg you down more than once... its just not enough!
      • tecunx, on 03/10/2008, -1/+14It cannot break down into My Chemical Romance because they are on the BOY BAND evolution chart.
      • weeFred, on 03/10/2008, -1/+6I had to stand through an MCR set when they supported muse at wembley, they were terrible but I managed to suffer it until muse came on.
        • Whaines, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2Wow. That's a tough call. Muse is amazing, but having to sit through My Chemical Romance? As long as Muse was the bulk of the show I can see myself doing that...
      • MattTS, on 03/10/2008, -1/+7That site doesn't even have many great bands such as Iron Maiden at all.
      • asauterChicago, on 03/10/2008, -1/+7Don't worry kid, don't let all these negative comments get you down. Someday, when your far out of middle school, you'll laugh at your musical tastes also.
      • edwartica, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3My chemical romance are the microbes who thrive on the fly poop found in puddle of mudd.
    • deff, on 03/10/2008, -0/+33I cut myself so I can sleep at night...
      • fluidfoundation, on 03/10/2008, -0/+9dear diary, I missed my favorite band play my favorite song, Stabby Stab Heart Stab.
    • slvrbullet87, on 03/10/2008, -0/+41The title said music
    • Charklii, on 03/10/2008, -0/+7NB. Alternative MUSIC.
    • h4mx0r, on 03/10/2008, -3/+28No, it breaks down to Panic at the Disco
      • iolo2007, on 03/10/2008, -1/+8Even MCR fans hate them
      • moletimer, on 03/10/2008, -1/+6Then into Fall Out Boy.

        And maybe THEN into My Chemical Romance. That's if you can actually call them a) alternative and b) music.
        • h4mx0r, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1Well I suppose they are "alternatives". You know, as opposed to gouging your ears out.
    • twrife, on 03/10/2008, -26/+6I like mcr. I know I'll get buried down to the depths of Hell itself.
      • jbrowng, on 03/10/2008, -1/+8Oh no no... Hell just isn't deep enough
      • thirty6chambers, on 03/10/2008, -1/+13Well, some people like to wear white socks with strap sandals, and there's nothing I can do about neither.
      • blast_flame, on 03/10/2008, -1/+10Please tell me you only listen for the "tune" not the lyrics. Please.
    • sirlancelot88, on 03/10/2008, -0/+24Pizzler is a dick for submitting this uncredited. This comic was taken from Subnormality at Virus Comix. Note to future submitters: Don't just put someone else's hard work on your photobucket and innocently try to let it slip by as your implied own.
    • allemande, on 03/10/2008, -2/+2Only if the puddle of mud evolves into a female species.
    • alan784, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3It would if my chemical romance wasn't emo, so they have their own level of suck
  • Tunguska, on 03/10/2008, -6/+49And here I was thinking the Queens of the Stone Age were our historical ancestors.
    • draegloth, on 03/10/2008, -3/+25Actually, it was The Pixies.
    • Andyschism, on 03/10/2008, -2/+8Actually it would be the Melvins.
      • kingp, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3This is true. The Melvins were playing grunge LONG before Green River or Mother Love Bone popped up. In fact, Matt Lukin (formerly of Mudhoney) was a founding member of Melvins back in 1983.

        Melvins are the godfathers of grunge.
    • TremorX, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3I'm sorry the other replies are so daft; I, however, truly appreciate the cut of your jib sir.
  • hellboy1975, on 03/10/2008, -9/+274because there was no alternative music before Nirvana....
    • christopheles, on 03/10/2008, -3/+145Maybe there are invisible Pixies flying around Cobain
      • theysayjump, on 03/10/2008, -5/+19I see what you did there.
      • MutatedNantuko, on 03/10/2008, -1/+13Cariboooouuuuu
      • cygnus2112, on 03/10/2008, -6/+9"The Pixies are an American alternative rock band formed in Boston, Massachusetts in 1985."

        "R.E.M. is an American rock band formed in Athens, Georgia, in 1980 by Michael Stipe (lead vocals), Peter Buck (guitar), Mike Mills (bass guitar), and Bill Berry (drums and percussion). R.E.M. was one of the first popular alternative rock bands, and gained early attention due to Buck's ringing, arpeggiated guitar style and Stipe's unclear vocals. "
      • ElectroOverlord, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3Per Allmusic -

        Alternative Pop/Rock is essentially a catch-all term for post-punk bands from the mid-'80s to the mid-'90s. Though there is a variety of musical styles within Alternative Rock, they are all tied together since they existed outside of the mainstream. In some ways, there are two waves of alternative bands, with Nirvana's success in 1991 acting as a dividing point. In the '80s, most alternative bands were on independent labels; if they were on majors, they didn't receive as much support as most of the label's mainstream acts. During the '80s, alternative included everything from jangle pop, post-hardcore punk, funk metal, punk pop, and experimental rock. After Nirvana's popularity in the '90s, alternative included all of these subgenres, but many of the edges were sanded off because the music was now being marketed as part of the mainstream. Hard rock and punk-derived music were more commercially successful than the left-of-center pop that dominated late-'80s alternative pop/rock, so alternative lost some of its quirkier tendencies in the '90s. Most experimental bands were relegated to indie rock.
    • userperson, on 03/10/2008, -0/+6Camper Van Beethoven
      (agreeing, just had to add).
      • zombies187, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3New Roman Times is an awesome record, if you have not heard it. Key Lime Pie is still my favorite.
      • userperson, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Key Lime & Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart are great records. If you consider when they came out ... they're probably still ahead of their time. I like some of the indie stuff too. I have 'Times', but haven't given it a great listen yet.
        • zombies187, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Check out Monks of Dooms Meridian. It came out around the time of key lime, and is a great record.
    • OpaqueMurdock, on 03/10/2008, -2/+18For a very long time "alternative music" was used as a catch all term to describe stuff that major record labels didn't know what to do with or wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole... then those exact same record companies borrowed the term and a "brand" was born. I get the humor of the comic... but I also gotta laugh at the irony of people allowing themselves to be sold pretty standard rock as "alternative". I happen to think Nirvana was a pretty great rock band... but not much about them was "alternative" from my perspective.
      • brownsound00, on 03/10/2008, -0/+9It's true. Alternative isn't really a genre... its kind of just like calling a band "unclassifiable" because no one is really like them. But once more bands came out of Seattle (AIC, Soundgarden, Mudhoney, etc.) The grunge movement was formed, and Nirvana is THE Grunge band, (the founders, but not the best). Nickback is pop-rock or whatever.
        Puddle of Mudd... i dont really know, and Bush, who i actually like, is post-grunge.
        So none of these bands are really "alternative" heck, even tool was/is classified under alternative. There isn't really another band like tool, so they are just out there in their own "alternative" world. But they could really care less about what genre they are
        • Sryden42, on 03/10/2008, -4/+5Usually I hear Tool classified as progressive rock/metal along with King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, and a bunch of really terrible bands that just make noise with their instruments and pass it off as new and interesting.
          • artliquide, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4I wouldn't call Porcupine Tree or King Crimson prog metal (perhaps neo-prog). I do call Tool prog metal though, as you say, along with Dreamtheater, Symphony X, etc.
          • mahdaeng, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Dream Theater FTW!
          • OpaqueMurdock, on 03/11/2008, -0/+2Oh bud, you gotta suffer a bit before you can really enjoy those bands... its like fine wine. It all tastes a bit like crap till you develop the "taste". : )
          • Stevethegreat, on 03/11/2008, -0/+2I don't know, but what's wrong with Porcupine Tree? I mean would you call Bob Dylan to be a noise-maker, there's certainly some quality there that cannot be reduced to mere aesthetic impressions. While I can't approve the wankery fest that some prog metal are reduced to, I can hardly say that is a noise-producing, in fact -I think- it's one of the few that keeps quality music to rock and metal.
        • ggacid, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1"A Perfect Circle" is probably the only mainstream band that I've heard with a similar sound to Tool.
        • precision256, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4ggacid, A Perfect Circle has the same lead signer Maynard James Keenan so that's why they sound similar if you were interested.
          • ggacid, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Didn't know that actually, thanks for the info. Makes sense now!
          • brownsound00, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1They also used to have Iha (guitarist of the smashing pumpkins). I don't know if they still do... but you could tell in some songs...
      • usingpond, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4Pretty much this. This is the only accurate comment I've seen so far.
      • saxreturns, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Well, you could say that the grunge movement as a whole was an alternative to the ***** rock/hair metal boom of the '80s. But yeah, you can't really call a band as famous as Nirvana 'alternative' in any general sweeping sense of the word.
        • ConceptJunkie, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1It was pretty sad when "alternative" became synonymous with "platinum-selling". If I want something truly "alternative", I'll put on music like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Microscopic Septet, Electrocution 250 or The Swingin' Tetrahedrons. They're alternative because they are truly different, not just "more of the same only worse".
    • 4d669, on 03/10/2008, -9/+3The way it should be in my opinion:

      Mozart/Beethoven/some gospel guy/Round the clock rock guy (***** him)/Elvis/Beatles/Rolling Stones/Black Sabbath/Guns and Roses/Nirvana/ Asteroid hits the earth/ Boy bands emerge as a consequence of mutations from radiation.
      • DrewBlood, on 03/10/2008, -0/+10Did you just say ***** Bill Haley & The Comets? You lose.
      • Myonosken, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3You're an idiot if you think Guns and Roses, good songs though they may have made, had a lasting effect on the musical scene.
      • SpencerMc, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3Muddy Waters.
      • thorstrongstone, on 03/10/2008, -0/+5Except, you seemed to have forgotten, blues, jazz, bluegrass, rockabilly, country, punk, new wave, dance, English pop, and a few others. Look, if you are going to pretend to know what the ***** you are talking about, you should present yourself in a way other than stupid.
        • 4d669, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Go ahead and make one with country, then shoot yourself for taking digg comments too seriously.
          • thorstrongstone, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1Awww, look at you. You are soooo cute. Just adorable.

            Give us another one, will ya?
    • digitul, on 03/10/2008, -6/+17i swear do you nerds have to take EVERYTHING seriously. it's a JOKE. read it and enjoy without having to throw in your smug "well actually...." 2 cents
      • arobicha, on 03/10/2008, -2/+1Maybe some of us didn't find it that clever. Not everything labeled joke is funny you know.
      • almj, on 03/11/2008, -2/+1Glad someone said something.....
      • gradeahonky, on 03/11/2008, -0/+2I think hellboy1975's comment might have been a JOKE.
      • OpaqueMurdock, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1The comic just started a conversation bud, no big deal. Its clearly something that has been on peoples minds for a while and they want to get a dialogue going to set history straight... if a comic is one catalyst to do that, then so be it. : ) Your the only one that seems to be yelling and insulting people. So how do you figure you are being less smug?
    • cruzlee, on 03/10/2008, -2/+4Like Nirvana was less mainstream than ***** ABBA.
    • gallagherFTW, on 03/10/2008, -0/+8Jane's Addiction never existed
    • bherring, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Yeah, what about all the other great "Seattle" bands that died because they didn't sound like Nirvana or Perl Jam?
    • SOCIO314, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1To quote Phil Spector: "There are two kinds of music...good and bad".

      "Alternative" is such a lame phrase to use....im sure Mr. Cobain would love that title....;I
    • twertyto, on 03/10/2008, -1/+1I think it is trying to represent the fact that since Nirvana "alternative music" was been on the downfall.
  • MakiMaki, on 03/10/2008, -3/+58Source: http://www.viruscomix.com/page328.html

    This picture is taken from Virus Comix.
    • Jaliyl, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2Yes, and it was also on Digg's front page about a month ago, Buried.
  • theysayjump, on 03/10/2008, -5/+274Buried as inaccurate.

    There's no way Chad Kroeger is that good looking.
  • ghgh1313, on 03/10/2008, -0/+118gotta love the fender downgrade to squier
    • davidrools, on 03/10/2008, -5/+6it should have been stratocaster to squier...they're both made by fender. but i gets the point across so still +1
      • davewho, on 03/10/2008, -0/+8I believe it's a jagstang in the picture
        • KevinRWright, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I have the same aqua Jagstang, those guitars are amazing.
      • VelvetoneFusion, on 03/10/2008, -0/+7Kurt didn't really play strats.
      • ComstockGordon, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3Well a good Fender is handmade over a period of several months and a Squier is cheap, outsourced version thrown together in Mexico in a considerably shorter amount of time with a lot of cheap assembly-line parts.
        • augustwest30, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2My Squier says "Crafted in China"
        • elhaf, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Yeah, fender puts stratocaster name on both, but it puts Fender only on the MIM and MIA strats (and Squier on the others). The Squier strats are made in Indonesia, China, etc. So the comic is right, and subtle.
      • Teaboy, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3it's Fender that's comparable to Squier.
    • Scarfy, on 03/10/2008, -0/+7Ah, subtle and clever.
    • connormcmenamin, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1haha, great observation
  • Goodbyeworld, on 03/10/2008, -46/+12False.

    1) Puddle of Mud was never huge, they just had a song that said "*****" and got major airplay (she ***** hates me). Not only that, they were around before Nickleback
    2) I highly doubt Colbain was smoking cigarettes
    3) Finally, don't degrade gorillas by making Chad Kroger look like one. That is offensive to them.
  • cl2yp71c, on 03/10/2008, -30/+2Haters!
    • solidus636, on 03/10/2008, -3/+16I suppose you enjoy Nickleback and their repeating beats?
      • cl2yp71c, on 03/10/2008, -18/+2Somewhat.
        =[
      • futebollounge, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4kill yourself

        no no im just kidding. go research music more. the more bands you know the more of an idea you will have on which ones suck :). nickelback for example. if its the only band i knew i might like them. but now that i know too many bands to list i feel insulted by their ***** music.
    • userperson, on 03/10/2008, -3/+1yeah, 'cause all those great bands/movements in rock music over the past 10 years like ... ?/S
  • jon30041, on 03/10/2008, -33/+7... Psycho is a fun song...

    C'mon, guys, just because your music icon growing up was enough of a douche to off himself when he was taking off doesn't mean you have the rights to degrade the stuff I'm growing up with. Hell, he wasn't even that great, deal with it. I love some of his stuff, but Cobain and co. wasn't some gift from God or anything.

    Aaaaaaaanyways... God damn Emo, cloggin' my radio tubes...
    • theysayjump, on 03/10/2008, -2/+11So we now have no right to degrade someone else's taste in music because you think Cobain was a douche?

      Also he didn't kill himself when he was taking off, they took off years before that.
    • TymonBrown, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1the music you're growing up with, i'm sorry to say, was created in a laboratory right next to lindsay lohan.
  • GinsuGuy585, on 03/10/2008, -8/+7To respond to goodbyeworld, Cobain did smoke. Funny enough, his reason for doing heroin was that we wanted a drug habit (to self medicate a chronic stomach pain.)
    http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/wp-content/photos/ ...
    • StolenLamp, on 03/10/2008, -0/+19Have a problem with clicking "Reply to this comment"?
    • zerosum, on 03/10/2008, -1/+5It's amazing how little people understand drug addiction to the point that they actually believed this story of Kurt's. This in no way takes away from his music or even his personal reputation, because I consider drug addiction to be a serious medical problem. When you are addicted to a drug as powerful as heroin, you will say crazy ***** like "Oh I purposely got hooked on it because my stomach hurt". Anyone that has had any experience with drug users or drugs themselves knows that this was just something Kurt was saying to the media so that he himself would not feel guilty... He was still a great guy and wrote great songs, but drugs definately took their toll on him. :/
    • tinotheelf, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3You know, I have chronic stomach pain. I use Rolaids.
  • MutatedNantuko, on 03/10/2008, -6/+144Nickelback isn't alternative anymore; they're a boy band.
    • quiznos, on 03/10/2008, -0/+43I don't think they were ever really alternative
    • jc7012, on 03/10/2008, -1/+48They were an alternative to good music.
    • sabach, on 03/10/2008, -0/+24Never made it in a good band
      Couldn't make it in an average band either
      So I joined this ***** band and
      Now I play for beer and pizza

      This is how
      I annoy you
      With my ***** band

      This is why
      I'm a loser
      In my ***** band
      • moletimer, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4It's not as if you
        Didn't know that
        We're ***** and I'm an asshat

        These five words in my head
        Are 'We're crap and we're Nickleback'
  • Gman1223, on 03/10/2008, -5/+101Cobain's Guitar is backwards...
    • Gman1223, on 03/10/2008, -1/+21http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8748/evolutiona ...
      I fixed it.
      • moletimer, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1He's walking away from alternative rock now : (

        Hmmm....metaphor for suicide?
    • YellowSnowDemon, on 03/10/2008, -3/+6Kurt Cobain is left handed, unless you were pointing out that he was holding a guitar the regular way. I'm not going to click the pic again, 'cause I'm a lazy *****. And I should be doing homework instead of writing about Kurt Cobain.
      • Gman1223, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2I was implying that Kurt was a left handed guitarist, and he is portrayed as a right handed guitarist in this picture, which is inaccurate. I fixed the image and made it so he is holding it left handed.
    • fayok, on 03/10/2008, -2/+4Good call, I don't even like the guy but i know he's left handed.
    • Magic0, on 03/10/2008, -1/+0owned
  • KWCool13, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4ha. chad kroeger has spurs on his boots.
  • theradical, on 03/10/2008, -11/+41Buried as inaccurate. Kurt Cobain played left handed.
  • akohut, on 03/10/2008, -3/+101Nickelback doesn't deserve third place. They're below Puddle of Mudd for sure (though it's a pretty ***** close race).
    • GhostyBoy, on 03/10/2008, -0/+8I second the motion. Hard to think of a band worse than Nickelback.
      • Syphon8, on 03/10/2008, -1/+7My Chemical Romance.
      • futebollounge, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2no no their not worse than nickelback... ***** no. i mean its nickleback!! i actually have a genre that i call nickleback music and puddle of mud is in it hahah. it all sounds the same. pure ***** *****. theres absolutely no creativity or talent needed for such *****.
      • Systembomber, on 03/10/2008, -1/+1Panic! At the *****
    • pr0t0, on 03/11/2008, -1/+2I wouldn't label either of them as "Alternative". Both get/got a large amount of play outside of college radio (that bastion of alternative). The college radio station here never played either. Joy Division, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Church, Ocean Blue, RHCP, Sex Pistols, TMBG, Pixies, That Petrol Emotion, Jane's Addiction, Nirvana, Coldplay, Radiohead, MGMT, Nickleback....one of these things is not like the other...

      Note: bands picked in no particular order or import to the alternative scene
    • Tetraca, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1Nickelback is like a virus: It's the thing that teems between life and things that aren't alive.
  • CVanO, on 03/10/2008, -1/+22A more appropriate title: The Evolution of "Alternative" Music
    • TheWorm, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3Things usually get better as they evolve...
    • forensicmeteobo, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Indeed. Or maybe: The Evolution of the RIAA's "Alternative" "Music"
  • troycott, on 03/10/2008, -1/+9so that would make Elvis Costello an android?
    • nerdtek, on 03/10/2008, -0/+6No that would be Mark Mothersbaugh, and the rest of Devo for that matter. We must repeat! D-E-V-O!
  • Eyesolate, on 03/10/2008, -19/+71Kind of forgetting The Pixies and Dinosaur Jr.


    ....plus, Nirvana is overrated.
    • Horseboiler, on 03/10/2008, -5/+6So true and it should be known that Smells Like Teen Spirit as Kurt's attempt at making a song like Debaser by The Pixies.
      • Syphon8, on 03/10/2008, -0/+7And out of that, we get two awesome songs. Dugg for mentioning the greatness that is Debaser.
      • ghandi69, on 03/10/2008, -4/+4So I went and popped Dolittle in my CD player to see if I just never noticed the relation.... but nope.. Debaser is a casual relaxing enjoyable little rock song.

        Smells like the Teen spirit is one of the most epic, climatic, all out rock songs of all time....

        They don't even share a beat....

        I don't see the relation.
        • mggs, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3The relation is the Slow-Hard-Slow-Hard tempo that the Pixies pioneered and Nirvana spent their entire career emulating. Not that Smells wasn't a brilliant song.
          • nitramlliw, on 03/12/2008, -0/+1actually, if you listen to ANY classical music, the same dynamic persists. its been around for ages, not that any of you ***** would care to notice.
        • onionoino, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Kurt Cobain himself said that Smells like teen spirit was an attempt to emulate Debaser
      • johnfn, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Try Gouge Away, it actually sounds pretty familiar.

        and I know I'm going to be dugg down for this, but I've listened to Teen Spirit for a long time and it always seems like it lasts 3 minutes too long.
    • Icecream, on 03/10/2008, -4/+45Little known, but in fact, Smells like teen Spirit is not the only Nirvana song.
      • Eyesolate, on 03/10/2008, -12/+7Without the Pixies there would have been no Nirvana.

        Cobain completely ripped their quiet loud quiet dynamic.
        • hammburglar, on 03/10/2008, -2/+21everything is a ripoff of something else
          • Horseboiler, on 03/10/2008, -2/+12It's not really a ripoff it's an influence.
          • hammburglar, on 03/10/2008, -1/+12thats the point i was trying to make
          • DogBotherer, on 03/10/2008, -0/+6Some more obviously than others... Influenced is different from derivative.
          • futebollounge, on 03/10/2008, -2/+1il never understand why people give no credit to influenced sounds. these bands are ripping off sounds and making them sound better. whats the big deal? its ***** genius and its a formula that you know is going to work.
          • nynety, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Even Led Zeppelin has been accused of plagiarism.
        • GhostyBoy, on 03/10/2008, -1/+15"ripped their quiet loud quiet dynamic"

          Those are just called dynamics. They were around before the Pixies.
    • JoeB4ever, on 03/10/2008, -7/+2Just curious, how old were you when Cobain killed himself?
      • Eyesolate, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Like 3 I guess.
      • TremorX, on 03/10/2008, -0/+3You were only 9, so you have no moral high ground.
        • JoeB4ever, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2and I owned most of their albums. and yes they were cassettes.
      • stillasleep00, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2How is that even relevant? Beethoven's still pretty popular.
    • chicken59, on 03/10/2008, -4/+2Yeah, I totally agree. Whoever made that could've put a lot more thought into it.
    • cygnus2112, on 03/10/2008, -2/+14Kind of forgetting REM, Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, U2, XTC, Bauhaus, Echo and the Bunnymen, Social Distortion, Husker Du, Cocteau Twins, Depeche Mode, New Order, Sisters of Mercy, Meat Puppets, Ministry, Sonic Youth, Butthole Surfers, 10000 Maniacs, etc etc that all existed 5-10 years before Pixies and Dinosaur Jr.
      • Eyesolate, on 03/10/2008, -1/+0Eh, I didn't feel like writing out a huge list, I just named two of my favorite, older alternative bands.

        ....I was even named after Husker Du.
      • thirty6chambers, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3why is social distortion in that list?
      • fugazied, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Hey old man shouldn't you be in bed by now? nah just kidding, good list of great music a few of which I don't know enough about (sisters of mercy for one). Personally I prefer the black flag, minor threat, bad brains scene when talking US punk.
      • stillasleep00, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Pere Ubu before that. This can go on forever...
    • Shelter22, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Slint
    • tas08, on 03/10/2008, -6/+4I really was going to digg you up, then you said Nirvana was overrated as though they didn't have dozens of great songs. So, no digg either way.
      • mahdaeng, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2No, he's right. Nirvana is extremely overrated. Weird Al's parody of "Smells..." is, in my opinion far more creative than the original.
    • FecalHurler, on 03/10/2008, -7/+4I agree- Pearl Jam was better (Ten= greatness)
  • hugeposuer, on 03/10/2008, -7/+4Buried as inaccurate. Kurt's got no track marks in his grungy knee-hole.
    • hugeposuer, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2So, I see we have some disciples here..
  • lFinnyl, on 03/10/2008, -8/+7But Kurt was left handed...
  • dpgranger, on 03/10/2008, -13/+5Puddle of Mudd's Blurry was a real good song
  • rippin1700, on 03/10/2008, -22/+11Kurt Cobain.............the "savior" of rock and roll....................by screaming and mumbling incoherently. I never understood why the world thought he was the "modern day" John Lennon.
    • brownsound00, on 03/10/2008, -2/+5Its not as much about the music but about the time period. he took music that was so revolutionary at the time, and people were really looking for a way out of the glam rock stages of the 80s, that they looked at Cobain as a breath of fresh air. The Seattle scene was the complete opposite of Glam rock, and people loved it. So i guess you could say people were so happy, that they got a bit carried away. But Cobain (and Krist and Dave) did influence alot of other good bands/allow alot of other good bands to break free. If it wasn't for Nirvana, who knows if Alice in Chains, Soundgarden or other seattle bands would have gotten big. I mean, they were good before, but once the Grunge phase started, record companies wanted the most money... and just got whatever grunge they could get their hands on.
      • rippin1700, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Very well put. I wasn't into Nirvana, STP, Pearl Jam, or Bush. But damn it, I jammed to Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. Now that I think about it, maybe it was just forced down our throats and I tended to resist. Hmmmm, kinda like everything on the radio today.
        • danomagnum, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Honestly, alice in chains isn't very grunge.
  • maja742, on 03/10/2008, -0/+7nice fender vs squire kick
  • employeeno5, on 03/10/2008, -13/+4These are/were all just pop bands. Nothing ever was or is alternative about any of these bands other than their lable at your local big box department store. The only real difference is Nirvana isn't completely artless garbage.
    Still it's not much different than making a cartoon comparing the relative quality between The New Kids on the Block and NSync.
    • brownsound00, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2Depends what you mean by Pop. They were/are pop bands in the sense that it was Popular Music. Meaning, they got airtime on MTV (when it was a music channel), but even Led Zep is considered "Pop" just because it was Popular Music. So you can't really compare them to N Sync just by that.
      • employeeno5, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1There's nothing wrong with something being pop music. In fact you're only boisturing my point.
        Most of my favorite music is pop music including things like Led Zepplin and Nirvana. I think you missed what I was trying to say, (which may well be my fault).
        I'm not comparing the those bands to NSync,
        I'm comparing a snooty cartoon like that as being about as rediculous as trying to look clever and snooty making cartoon about boy bands. You can't take Bush more seriously than Puddle of Mud; whether one is better than the other or not (which I would say not) the only reason anyone's ever listened to them is because a marketing director decided to tell the kids it was cool on given week.
        Feel free to disagree still, I just thought you misinterpreted my comment.
        • brownsound00, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1Oh ok, yep, i know what you mean there.
  • Epicurious22, on 03/10/2008, -12/+3Nickleback and Puddle of Mud are alternative? Seem more like Pop Rock and Radio Rock to me.... I'd go with Cold then Breaking Benjamin, although I think those bands are good so I guess they wouldn't work for a de-evolution chart. Maybe Incubus then Sum 41...And wasn't Nirvana grunge? Damn labels
    • JoeB4ever, on 03/10/2008, -1/+5you should really take a music history class
      • Epicurious22, on 03/10/2008, -1/+0I have, It taught only Baroque, Classical, Reneissance, and Romantic era music, no modern. I'm curious to know what part of my comment is in need of a music lesson. The Nirvana grunge band remark was meant to be a joke about an overwhelming array of labels today. I would consider any grunge, new wave, electronica, post punk, Brit pop or any other deviation from the main musical genre's of rock,pop,jazz,blues,country as Alternative.
        • krisscofield, on 03/10/2008, -0/+6I like how your vocabulary magically upgraded from your last comment.
        • chicken59, on 03/10/2008, -0/+5You need a music history lesson because all the bands you listed did not remotely contribute to alternative music. Unless you were being sarcastic, you have ***** taste in music.
        • Halsfield, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3@ chicken59 "good" music is an opinion, different people like different things, and there is no one band that every single person likes, get over it.
          • WallnutBoy, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1What about Rick Astley!? Millions listen to his hit now!
  • inspecality, on 03/10/2008, -0/+9How about some credit to the author.

    http://www.viruscomix.com/page328.html
  • etherreal, on 03/10/2008, -2/+13"Devolution" is more like it. Regardless, every couple of decades a breakthrough in music happens and it is fresh and fun (grunge, alternative, rock, etc) for a while and then the recording industry latches onto it like a tapeworm, runs it into the ground until the cycle starts all over again. We are just on the bottom of that cycle.
    • HotDogBun, on 03/10/2008, -3/+4alternative and rap have been at the bottom of the cycle so long, there is really no longer a cycle. This is the garbage we are stuck with until the end of civilization. People have been wearing the same baggy pants and crisp size-to-fit-and tilted-to-the-side hats since i was in high school.. like 17 years ago.

      One of you faggots has got to grow some balls and try something new, and no, i don't mean a new set of diamond earrings.

      • Sryden42, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2There is absolutely tons of music out there worth listening to, it's just sad that so few people bother looking. Sure, the ***** seems to naturally rise to the top, but it's pretty easy to ignore now that MTV & VH1 no longer play music.
        • ConceptJunkie, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1Agreed. It's the 21st century. It's so easy to find new good music out there it's not even funny. Between and eMusic subscription and being on a couple of prog mailing lists, I find more stuff than I can afford to buy. Back in the 80's it was a much different story, but I was in college then and that was always a good place for discovering music.
  • alenox, on 03/10/2008, -13/+3we all hate bush...
    • dxgg, on 03/10/2008, -1/+7If you're referring to the bastard in the White House, then I agree with you.
    • Lemm, on 03/10/2008, -6/+4But if your referring to the band in the comic, the I disagree with you.
      • brownsound00, on 03/10/2008, -2/+3Seconded.
        Bush is probably one of the best post-Grunge bands out there

        And I would also like to add.. if someone has some other obscure bands and prove me wrong, I would love to know.
  • SkaAgent11, on 03/10/2008, -1/+98Leave it to digg users to complain about the accuracy of a joke.
    • kipmartin, on 03/10/2008, -2/+1im amazed no one mentioned Hillary, Linux, or Tucker.
    • leopardflames, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1and then there's the same response about what's wrong with the joke written five different ways at least three times each...funny since sometimes the inaccuracy is the funny part...
    • dannydyer1000, on 03/10/2008, -1/+1it's what we do man
  • Gman1223, on 03/10/2008, -2/+15Fixed: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8748/evolutiona ...
    • therodersabides, on 03/10/2008, -2/+3Dugg for the lefty reversal. Kurt was left handed like Hendrix
      • mahdaeng, on 03/10/2008, -1/+1And that's where the similarity ends.
  • holyreality, on 03/10/2008, -2/+24alternative music didn't exactly start with nirvana.
    • TremorX, on 03/10/2008, -1/+1No, but as the cartoon illustrates, it was the start of it turning to crap.
  • TheHeat, on 03/10/2008, -11/+10Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I care for none of these bands. They're all overrated to me. Kurt hated himself for how "alternative" he was by the way ... verse, chorus, verse, so alternative indeed.

    People sing praises where they're told to sing praises and don't question it. Nirvana were sort of pioneers, but lost their way. Nickelback is garbage, 100%. Puddle of Mudd are pathetic leeches on the teet of rock music as we know it. I don't really have much bad to say about Bush, but I don't listen to or like them really.

    There are many problems with this chart.
    • inspecality, on 03/10/2008, -3/+9How did Nirvana lose their way? "In Utero" is certainly as good as "Nevermind", if not more authentic.

      It sounds like you are just basing the band's talent off their mainstream success.
    • mrhedges, on 03/10/2008, -4/+10It's a ***** comic, get over yourself.
  • jessebeans, on 03/10/2008, -1/+7this made me smile and thats all i care about....

  • 22justin, on 03/10/2008, -19/+5bush X was actually a decent band...im sorry but nirvana was ***** almost as bad as nickelback
    • GhostyBoy, on 03/10/2008, -1/+10I didn't know an opinion could be wrong until now.
      • brownsound00, on 03/10/2008, -1/+6I was with him for the Bush part.. but nirvana - nickelback? no.

        man, even if you don't like Nirvana's music, which i don't really care if you do or not, you still have to respect them for starting a whole generation of music, or at least playing a part in it. They are amoung bands like Led Zep, Kraftwerk, the Beatles, and Blues Incoporated (Alexis Korner) for the fact that they pretty much started awhole genre themselves
  • elizabethb221, on 03/10/2008, -6/+6I like Bush better than Nirvana, but the last two are definitely portrayed accurately.

    Except...Chad has spurs on his boots? Spurs are way cooler than Nickleback.
    • krisscofield, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1I'm assuming it's a hint at his sudden turn for the worst into a more country-esque sound (ie the "Everybody wants to be a rockstar" song).
    • acefactor, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1If you think Nickelback is *****, you should see the town they're from: Hannah, Alberta. If you like cowboy hats, obnoxiously large pickup trucks and inbreeding, this is your town of choice.
    • tecunx, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2The dude from Bush chose Gwen Stefani to breed with, while the dude from Nirvana chose kurtney luv.
    • mahdaeng, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1Dugg for "Spurs are way cooler than Nickleback".

      Nice.
  • paulmer2003, on 03/10/2008, -7/+11RIP Kurt :(
    • PurgueFlantar, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2I hope she rots in hell for doing that to him.
    • Teh1337Pirate, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1At least he went out with a Bang!!!
  • tdogzthmn, on 03/10/2008, -2/+13Alice In Chains!
    • inspecality, on 03/10/2008, -2/+3Also known as "Alice 'N Chainz" back in the day. Yeah, they are really alternative.
      • goffy59, on 03/10/2008, -2/+7Alice In Chains was more "hard rock". The term Grunge is pretty pathetic. The media made up the term. "Grunge" music is just rock music from Seattle. It has no special ingredient besides its great musicians. Alice In Chains was probably the most under appreciated band. And one of the Seattle's best. And no, not just Man In The box. They had a lot of great songs. The entire Seattle scene were awesome because they have all made music together. Right Turn is a song by Alice In Chains which features band members from Sound Garden, Pearl Jam, and Mud Honey. I think some others but anyhow. I don't really like any of the artists in that picture. Nirvana has some cool stuff but he wasn't some genius. I'd say Layne Staley had a much better voice. But they are both dead and they will be missed.
        • brownsound00, on 03/10/2008, -0/+6And died on the same day OMG!!!!!!

          But yeah man, AIC was sick. Too bad I never got to see them live. At least Jerry Cantrell is still doin' this thing.
          And also, Temple of the Dog and Mother Love Bone were some sweet bands that didn't last long enough.
          • goffy59, on 03/14/2008, -0/+1I totally agree with you. Mother Love Bone is ***** kick ass, etc!
        • mahdaeng, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2There is a very subtle line between orchestrated noise and all-out chaos, and Alice in Chains somehow got it right. They teeter on the verge of musical trash, but maintain the delicate balance in a way that is both excruciating and addictive. Good stuff!
      • tdogzthmn, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2Are they under appreciated? I think everyone who knows them understands how awesome they are. I dont think they are as well know as they should be. They had much more talent than Nirvana, and Lanye best rock voice ever.
  • FriedTurkey, on 03/10/2008, -4/+12Bush killed Grunge. Just like Warrant killed metal. Bush is the Warrant of Alternative Rock.
    • brownsound00, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Nah, I think when Cobain died, and then AIC started to fade with Layne's problems.. grunge died down. Plus with the rise of Boy Bands and all that... grunge was replaced by the next "hit thing". Bush was a good post-grunge band, but they were not part of the real grunge movement. They had nothing to do with it's downfall
    • tecunx, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2FriedTurkey is right. When Bush started to get airplay we all knew the mosh pit era had come to an end.
  • MajorLeague, on 03/10/2008, -21/+11Buried as inaccurate. Cobain = Puddle of Blood
    • inspecality, on 03/10/2008, -3/+4How incredibly insightful.

      Can I please get a link to some of the songs that you have written?
      • HotDogBun, on 03/10/2008, -5/+4can i get a link to some of the songs YOU have written?
      • HotDogBun, on 03/10/2008, -2/+3apparently not since you buried me.

        please, by all means, keep championing the cause of music that appeals to 13 yr old girls.
    • MajorLeague, on 03/10/2008, -1/+1Sorry I try not to submit garbage and call it music. Cobain didn't have that same pride.

      Oh yeah, best part is I'm still alive lol
  • dxgg, on 03/10/2008, -1/+3What exactly is "alternative music" anyway? Not very "alternative" really.
  • sfriedlander, on 03/10/2008, -0/+43nickleback= alternative?
    more like

    nickleback= ***** ass pop rock
    • futebollounge, on 03/10/2008, -0/+4nickleback = nickleback rock = a genre where everything sounds the same = really bad music = not appealing to me
    • thewayigetby, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2I agree, I never viewed Nickleback as alternative music.
    • moletimer, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1They're early stuff was. But Nevermind wasn't really alternative.
      • aztak, on 03/12/2008, -0/+0it was an alternative.to the crap before
    • dannydyer1000, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1is spelling nickelback's name wrong some new meme i don't know about? btw ***** them :)
  • littlejoe, on 03/10/2008, -1/+24Pixies FTW
  • ShawnMattCraw, on 03/10/2008, -1/+16Cobain was ***** good but he isn't the only good musicians in alternative rock. REM, Violent Femmes, Alice in Chains, Pixies, Butthole Surfers, keeps going...
  • NonLeftistDiggr, on 03/10/2008, -4/+41Hey, whatever it took to kill glam rock and glam metal was worth it. Thank you 90's.

    Men with makeup, leather, and intentionally made holes in jeans should have never gotten laid.
    • tecunx, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2I agree, but ironically when you think of Motley Crue, Poison and Guns N Roses, you cannot forget the hordes of hot, hot groupies around them, whereas the chicks were not all that excited about Mr. Cobain, Vedder or Cantrell.
  • CogitatorX, on 03/10/2008, -12/+5Nirvana was the first nail in the coffin for alternative music.
  • blacklilyninja, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2Bush was alternative?

    i thought the singer was just a clone of curt that courtney made for a sex toy.
  • goffy59, on 03/10/2008, -0/+14As Alice In Chains Jerry Cantrell puts it; *****.
    • tdogzthmn, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Did he really say that? I thought nickelback was largely influenced by alice in chains?
  • willy1234x1, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1etherreal your powers of observation are astounding!
  • soupzilla, on 03/10/2008, -5/+3would Soundgarden be in the creationism equivalent?
    • zunkus, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1I hope your saying that in a positive manner.
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