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- rpdillon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+56Wow. No.
The article never mentions AllofMP3.com, and is probably refering to rampant "OEM" software piracy in Russia. AllofMP3.com operates legally in Russia.
The article is talking about enforcing Russia's exisiting copyright laws, not changing the current laws. Again, it says absolutely nothing about AllofMP3.com, either directly or indirectly. - lnxaddct, on 10/12/2007, -4/+55AllOfMP3.com is not illegal. Instead of paying the RIAA's outrageous greedy demands, AllOfMP3 pays the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society (ROMS), which is the Russian equivalent to the RIAA, the difference being that they aren't as greedy as the RIAA. Everyone still gets paid that is legally entitled to get paid. What this article is referring to in no way affects AllOfMP3. Report it as innaccurate, nothing but sensationalist nonsense. If you don't believe me read: http://music.allofmp3.com/help/help.shtml?help=on#top . They even give you the license numbers that they use. Everything on AllOfMP3.com is distributed with full permission of the recording industry. Nothing illegal about it. Best part is, they have a wider selection than iTunes, most albums can be bought for around a dollar, most songs average like 10 cents, there is no copy protection, and you get to choose the format and bitrate you want to get it in (you can even get it lossless). They charge based on the size of the song. It is the best service I've ever used.
--Steve
http://krenzel.info - DanAtkinson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+48This is just supposition and some inference.
While allofmp3 closing could implied by this article, it is not stated. - brainspout, on 10/12/2007, -11/+49Putin wants very much to get Russia into the WTO. I believe that he will finally give in to RIAA pressure to close AllOfMP3.com in order to increase his chances of WTO membership. And when I say "give in to RIAA pressure" I of course mean - give in to pressure from U.S. Congressmen who are bought and paid for by the RIAA.
- saleens281, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26@AndrewMayne
How many artists have been paid by iTunes?
You have no clue, just like you have no clue how many have been paid by allofmp3. You have no idea what deals they have worked out with their local equivalent of the **AA's. Stop spouting off when you don't have a clue. - meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Sooooooo, does the WTO membership make it easier to get mail order brides from Russia? Isn't that the main export there?
- alcimedes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Or you simply buy the songs from AllofMP3.com, give no money to the RIAA, and go buy a T-shirt from the band that you just downloaded.
The band sees more money than if you'd bought the CD, the RIAA gets nothing, and you get your music in an uncrippled format. Everyone wins, other than it's illegal. - Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19>> Great way to support the artists for their creations.
Doesn't ***** matter because you buying a CD doesn't support the artists at all. Don't you remember how the cartel works?!!? - clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Actually the CC processing is done by another 3rd party company that does lots of CC processing for other legit businesses in and around Russia. So.... no.
- Braxo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15You support the artists better by attending their concerts, not buying their CDs
- pwallroth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I would think that since allofmp3.com is such a big succesful company that if Putin made them cease and desist all they would have to do is incorporate somewhere else where they are once again protected. This would potentially be only a minor setback.
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Soo, I guess it's time to finish off my remaining $9 of credit. Damn, another ~750 songs, that's going to take a while to download
- gronne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12They'll just move to the Cayman Islands or some other place.
- Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11They're not selling pirated music...what they do is legal, wether by loophole or not, its fully legal so no piracy at all.
- jads, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"Can you tell me the number of American or non-Russian artists that have been actually paid by AllofMP3 for their work? The answer is zero. While it may be quasi-legal under Russian law, it's bad karma in my book."
Whether or not royalties from any music sold on allofmp3.com eventually get to the artist or label in question isn't up to allofmp3.com. They pay ROMS like other music distribution channels in Russia. Now whether or not ROMS forward that money to the right people is their business, but legally there isn't anything more allofmp3.com can do. For example, a British company wanting to distribute music on the internet may pay someone like the BPI royalties, they wouldn't pay the RIAA as it's American. It's the job of the regional music copyright society or company or whatever to forward royalties on to the relevant parties. - Wolfghost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+91) AllOfMp3.com is operating with in the laws of Russia.
2) Show me one article, from a reputable source, where AllOfMp3.com was named for selling credit card info. True, there were articles that stated some Russian sites were selling credit card info, but I do not know of a single one that named AllOfMp3.com. I'm serious...show me. - dancurranjr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9AllofMP3 is a legal site: http://www.danielcurran.com/2005/03/allofmp3com-still-legal.php
Basically the catch is in the definition of "distribution" under that law implies actual physical sale of pirated cassetes and disks, in case of downloads the DA office said that "Allofmp3 does not distribute copies of CD's, but creates conditions for its users to use the content themselves", - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10All of mp3 is not a pirate site. Under Russia's recordings law it should still be around.
Dont let the WTO get you down. - TellarHK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Let's see, be a "moron" by spending my money with a site that's legal where it sits, and getting high-quality AAC rips of whatever music I want (that AllOfMP3 actually has) and give a big *****-you to the extortionist blackmailers at the RIAA? Sign me the hell up.
Oh, wait. I already -have- signed up. No credit card problems, either, and I don't expect any. Why? Because if Russian law changes and AllOfMP3.com gets shut down, they will likely not face any charges because they'd shut down when the new law took effect. Why would they risk fraudulent credit card charges which would remain criminal acts, if they're not in trouble? And if they were that kind of crooks anyhow, we'd likely have already seen the end of them. They're too high-profile to pull a major swindle and get away with it, even in Russia. - clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Really? You've actually seen or have proof of something they are doing that is shady? Or are you just assuming that since it's in Russia it has to be shady?
- lnxaddct, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Not to mention that AllOfMP3 operates with licenses from the music industry, granted its the Russian equaivalent to RIAA called ROMS. Regardless, AllOfMP3 is breaking no laws, and everyone is getting paid that is legally entitled to get paid.
- frojo56, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Brides and Vodka
- dieseltravis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"The availability over the Internet of the ALLOFMP3.com materials is authorized by the license # LS-3%u041C-05-03 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society (ROMS) and license # 006/3M-05 of the Rightholders Federation for Collective Copyright Management of Works Used Interactively (FAIR). Under the licenses' terms, MediaServices pays license fees for all materials downloaded from the site subject to the Law of the Russian Federation "On Copyright and Related Rights". All these materials are solely for personal use. Any further distribution, resale or broadcasting are prohibited." - sounds like they're getting paid to me.
- crapman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8ArcusOfSV - You STILL are an uninformed jackass: allofMP3 is not shady, just because is in another country doesn't make it shady (maybe to your geographically challenged education) and there are no proof that they have misused any client credit cards. Just because RIAA began a discredit campaign by fear (worked well for WGB) doesn't mean we all will swallow the rumors, run under our beds and ask Almighty RIAA to defend us selling us their overpriced DRM'ed music files...
- Fashion_Nugget, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I love that comment from brain spout... Our congress and house are all bought by either the RIAA, MPAA or some other big business. I have been a hard core republican for many years but I have seen the light now, and I will most likely vote for anyone backing term limits, because it takes along time to become as corrupt as our Senators.
- 0x1B, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I've used allofmp3.com fro a little over 3 years now. I use my "online" credit card, which is one that has a low limit and no yearly fee. It also has fraud protection and a maximum liability for fraudulent charges (like every other credit card in the US; you did know that you're only liable for fifty bucks at most if your card is stolen, right?). I've had nothing but good experiences with AoM.
In addition, you give your CC info to a Swedish company. They process the payment and then create a "balance" in your AoM account.
Having said that, this isn't "getting around the system". AoM pay all the license fees it needs to pay -- in Russia. And in Russia a CD costs the equivalent of $2-4, in rubles. A full CD download from AoM at a decent quality is about exactly that much. You're specifically allowed to import phonographic recordings into the US for personal use.
So if you traveled to Russia, bought a few CDs and brought them back with you, it woudl be perfectly legal. You've legally paid you rubles for them, and you're allowed to import the goods when you come back. Nobody, probably not even you, would claim that any piracy was involved.
When you buy things on AoM, you are doing the *exact* same thing as the above. You've paid, in rubles, for a recording. Legally. The vendor you bought from paid all the royalties it had to pay, and was in fact entitled to sell it to you to begin with. But that's the key: You paid in rubles. After buying it, you import it. Same as above.
AoM isn't about pirating. It's about *exchange rates*. Nothing more. An American buying a CD off AoM is paying just as much as a Russian buying that same CD. And rightly so.
So yeah, you're being a jackass. Or, at best, you're merely woefully uninformed. Normally such folk tend to remain silent about their ignorance, but at digg they tend to be fairly vocal. - clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What so creepy about it? Just cause it's in Russia and we haven't heard of anything good about Russia in a long ass time? That's no reason. It's a perfectly fine site and it's very well put together. Hell I must have laid out almost $100 by now. It's a great way to get music in a format and quality that YOU want, not that some company thinks is good for their business model.
- Menel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Title 17 Chapter 6 Sec. 602 of the U.S. Code covers %u201CInfringing importation of copies or phonorecords%u201D. You can find this title here
Subsection (a) tells us:
%u201CImportation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under section 501.%u201D
So it's illegal you may think. But take a close look at sub (a)(2):
%u201CThis subsection does not apply to importation, for the private use of the importer and not for distribution, by any person with respect to no more than one copy or phonorecord of any one work at any one time, or by any person arriving from outside the United States with respect to copies or phonorecords forming part of such person's personal baggage;%u201D
If MP3%u2019s, OGG%u2019s etc are in fact considered phonorecords, U.S. citizens can legally buy these as long if they are for private use and not for distribution. If MP3s, OGG%u2019s etc. are not considered phonorecords, no import laws apply. The sections of digital audio recording and sound recording have no mention of importation.
So in layman's terms the bottom line of this discussion is:
***** "Downloading from Allofmp3 is legal for U.S. Citizens, as long as the files are for private use and not for distribution. "*****
--musketeer.com/allofmp3faq.htm - sabor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8NO....you create a disposable Virtual Card with a limit of $10 and use THAT one...rookies.
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Good points. The RIAA and its rackets have been abusing the law to extort money. Still, under no justification can anyone download copyrighted goods illegaly. You are still indirectly supporting bad music and bad business by doing this. Go buy some tickets and see a local concert. Music used to be made by people long before these digital inventions came out. Stop thinking that the only way to experience music is to purchase/download hardcopies.
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6From what I heard, you can buy the same things on the streets of NYC, no?
- Chive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The intent of copyright law was to strike a balance between the rights of the creators and the need of society to have open access to ideas and concepts and artistic creations. That's why the writers of the constitution put in the very important phrase "for a limited period" and why copyright was originally for a term of something like 16 years.
But now business interests have paid for one-sided and unconstitutional changes to copyright law. Current insane laws where copyright extends to 100 years after the death of the creator are not balanced nor fair. They simply exist to reward the big business cartels that pay the politicians.
Sure, downloading music is illegal. But so was tossing the tea in Boston harbor. When laws become unjust it is the right of the public to break them and rebel against them. Go ahead and be a sheep if you want. Meekly obey any outrageous law that big business buys from congress. - Chive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The "intellectual property" cartels want nothing more than standardized copyright laws throughout the globe.
So they have paid the politicians and now copyright is linked to trade policy. Want a trade treaty with the US? Then screw your people and follow our lead on copyright. Want to join the WTO? Rewrite your laws so that you follow our system of copyrights and patents.
Multinational Corporations now effectively have veto rights over the legal systems of almost all the nations of the world. The one true global law is the law of corporate dominance. So sad that people have forgotten what freedom means. But, then again, they have their bread and circuses so what does it matter? - Wolfghost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Come on ArcusOfSV, show me where AllOfMp3.com was named for selling credit card info (besides your fantasy). Time to show good solid proof.
Also, I never stated I gave AllOfMp3.com my credit card info, so don't make any foolish assumptions. - elfguy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Ya but even if right now he just wants to enforce current laws, you know that the US wont let them join WTO without enforcing the DMCA. They already forced all of the last members to do just that, I don't see why Russia would get by without it.
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7ArcusOfSV - yet another uninformed digg-idiot.
- dizzee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Use a card that gives users the ability to generate temporary numbers.
MBNA offers ShopSafe see http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y205/m02/abu0137/s02 - jads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ cazabam
actually, under Russian Law anything that is aired on the radio in Russia and is available to purchase is applicable under Russian law as being sold through russian companies to anyone, anywhere in the world. If it were a case that it is stated under Russian Law that you cannot sell to people outsde Russia, then the site probably wouldn't have bothered creating and English version of the site too. - cedars1974, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Oh the poor artists!!! Screw that. Every time I turn on the tv (i.e. Cribs) all I see is some artist that has been around for like 3 weeks showing off his new $300,000 Bentley at his second 12,000 Sq foot home. It's sad that the Riaa and the likes have got everyone thinking that songs are even worth anymore than what Allofmp3 charges. These guys are grossly overpaid and it makes me feel all warm inside when I pay exactly what the music is worth on Allofmp3. One day the United States will figure out what every 13 year old with a computer learned right away, you can't control the internet (much less the world). If Allofmp3 closes with my $10 balance it's ok by me. I felt like I got my monies worth a long time ago.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15Oh well... guess I'll have to go back to stream-ripping net radio.
- bentman78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5allofmp3.com is not a pirate site. Do your research before making comments. They are perfectly legal and legit. And because of import laws, you can buy music here legally from them.
- aB0z, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10This story is not about some music pirate site. It is about major economic change in Russia. If one of the side effects is reduced piracy, then well, I guess you'll have to find someone else to pay for music that will never reward the artists fairly. (RIAA music label?)
I hate the RIAA, I think they are a bunch of motherless bastards these days, but stealing music is not legitimized by their misdeeds. Instead of pirating music, buy it from a source that supports innovative musicians and lets you enjoy it how you choose. I use emusic, because they have the best policies in this regard. - toddomatic, on 05/20/2008, -3/+6Nice marketing move for AllOfMP3. Front page digg... rush to download and buy more MP3s. (Maybe Putin's a shareholder?)
- cyclotron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I wonder how this benefits Iran?
- cedars1974, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, nice sob story Courtney Love. Maybe she can also mention that she sold 25% of her share in Nirvana for $50 million. That's right just 25%. http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/06-04/03.shtml
Never mind what else she makes from her music. Cry me a river. I'm going to go find a homeless guy and tell him that my steak wasn't done just right last nite. - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3and just think, those "poor artists" are only getting about 10%, who do you think is getting the rest? (hint: R**A). "oh if the artists don't get paid, there will be no quality music" - *****.
- jordan314, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7>You support the artists better by attending their concerts, not buying their CDs
Since when do record companies not give a small percentage to the artists, and Ticketmaster not take a HUGE percentage of the ticket prices?
I hate the RIAA too but this logic perplexes me. - dizzee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Check out http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y205/m02/abu0137/s02
MBNA offers ShopSafe that generates user specified limits and expiration dates. - Sandwiches_Time, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Just a head's up, guys: The possessive form of "it" is "its." There is no apostrophe.
I see this mistake on Digg all the time, thought I'd share. Rather get corrected on Digg than on your resume by a potential employer. - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9you people buying cds and dvds and itunes or anything else withe DRM are ***** idiots, morons, and "sheep".
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