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- michaelpinto, on 12/12/2008, -9/+217Yeah it's iTunes fault that so many "artists" filled their CDs with piss takes to fill up space. Thank God that era is over!
- OSXpert, on 12/12/2008, -4/+152My brother was at a show in Chicago a few weeks ago and Billy Corgan came out after the first encore and said "Do you want to hear more of our music?" Of course the crowd starts cheering, etc. So then he goes, "If you really wanted to hear our music, you would have bought the album." And then walked off the stage.
He's a dick, and needs to get over the fact that bands get less popular after a certain point in time. - kelchm, on 12/12/2008, -21/+142Honestly, they have a point. Most people I know listen to tracks, not albums.
Personally, I listen to music in album form. It's just better that way.
Also, If you are so convinced that CDs are always filled with mostly junk you are clearly listening to the wrong music. - ploik, on 12/12/2008, -7/+91Maybe it didn't sell because Corgan was a dick to people across the country..
http://www.prefixmag.com/news/billy-corgan-brings- ... - codyman, on 12/12/2008, -1/+69I like the Smashing Pumpkins but their last album was so-so to say the least... it didn't have any arch, it was an EP with a few filler tracks on it for book end / length's sake
Melon Collie and Infinite Sadness - Double LP that you can listen to all the way through.. THATS when buying an album is worth it... - thenativeraver, on 12/12/2008, -18/+83What about the fact that Billy Corgan is a whiney little bitch?
Tell me, what other "rock star" stops playing when people start moshing?!!? - TheWriteGuy, on 12/12/2008, -6/+70Maybe it didn't sell because the album isn't good. Another possibility is that, even if it is good, there are just not enough people who are into the Pumpkins anymore. Maybe, Billy, your time has passed. You know, the whole pop culture thing is finicky and all. You might as well blame High School Musical and "these damn kids today and their awful music!".
- alandickson, on 12/12/2008, -9/+71They blamed Britney Spears for their previous break-up.
- Fallout911, on 12/12/2008, -17/+62Am I the only person that has never used iTunes?
That ***** sucks. - shadowmoose, on 12/12/2008, -1/+45"They put it on their iPod, they drag over the two singles and skip over the rest." Well now I feel bad.
- Autodidaddict, on 12/12/2008, -7/+48It's so easy and trendy to bash Billy Corgan. He has a point though. The only thing is, everyone understood this point many years ago.
I love The Smashing Pumpkins. OK - some of their efforts were not SD or MC&IS quality, but what major band has NO bad albums? I even liked Zwan and some of his other works.
The man isn't as crazy or evil as some of you think. Like his music or not, he is truly an artist. He is a person. He has flaws. But he also has talent. And a lot of it.
He isn't blaming iTunes. He is blaming listener patterns. This is true. How is radio doing as a medium these days?
What he should be thinking though is how lucky he was that he did come along when he did. Back in the 90s when people did still buy albums. If he was releasing his major epic albums these days, then he would have something to complain about, because the music industry has really changed due to the digital age. No doubt about it. - sugarazor, on 12/12/2008, -5/+45"When you see moshing going on in the new Offspring video, you know the fad is dead" - Billy Corgan
Not to mention someone died at a Pumpkins show in a pit. It's the dumbest facet of rock music and the idea needs to be put out to pasture. Sure, it made sense when you crammed fifty people in a room built for ten for a punk show, but nowadays people are moshing at Hawthorne Heights and Paramore shows - it's time to retire the pit. Along with the "metal horns" and all the other douchebaggery that goes along with concert-going. - Akairenn, on 12/12/2008, -11/+51"So why are we killing ourselves to do albums, to create balance and do the arty track to set up the single?"
Because you suck?
Seriously, if people are skipping over your 'arty' track, it's because your 'arty' track sucks. Maybe people don't appreciate it. Maybe they don't 'get' it. Maybe they need to spend more time in coffee shops sipping mochafrappacaramelcinos, wearing goofy hats and bemoaning the uncivility of man.
Or maybe you just don't have the talent to put out an album full of quality music. Few bands are capable of being brilliant all of the time. Nothing wrong with that. Until you start whining like a bitch about how people only want to hear your good material. :p - SheVibe, on 12/12/2008, -0/+40There is an easy fix for this. Sell you tracks at 99 cents like everyone else and then sell your album at a discounted rate so it makes sense for the person to buy the full album at 7.99 or something reasonable.
You can't use the same pricing structure for digital downloads as you do with retail.
And how do they even know the revenue they made from iTunes somehow affected there retail sales for the album, iTunes revenue could have been gravy on top. - Orbitrix, on 12/12/2008, -0/+34im weird like that myself... i always feel like i have to 'absorb the whole album the way the artist intended'.
but he does make a point... for mainstream commercially viable music, the single is the way to go.
its sad thats the way the pumpkins are going.... sure they were always mainstreamish, but ugh... - eqisow, on 12/12/2008, -2/+31That is without question the gayest music collection I've ever seen, man up son!
- danwgre, on 12/12/2008, -2/+30Its more believable to say you used it ONCE and it sucked, rather than NEVER used it and it sucked.
- benologist, on 12/12/2008, -1/+28I always buy albums because if I like artists not just songs. If you only know one song from an artist then you're missing out.
- drifty914, on 12/12/2008, -1/+27If you had people die at your concerts multiple times you probably would too.
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/45905-f ...
They also had another fan die at The Point Theatre in Dublin in 96' due to moshing. - andregriffin, on 12/12/2008, -1/+24Maybe it's because the album was terribly mixed.
- rukeypoo, on 12/12/2008, -2/+25They did Mellon Collie and Siamese Dream. As bad as Zeitgeist is, you can't discount those albums.
- ThinkIcouldburn, on 12/12/2008, -6/+27Dear Billy,
Please listen to a NIN CD. Most of those "artsy" tracks have become serious fan favorites. Most people won't listen to ***** songs. There is a difference between "artsy" songs and ***** filler. Stop filling your albums with ***** filler and maybe people will listen to your entire albums. - ReeseSV, on 12/12/2008, -12/+33I don't agree with the author that Siamese Dream would fare better in this climate, but I don't fully agree with Corgan either. The truth is somewhere in between
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -8/+28I still love you James Iha.
- SolarUpNote, on 12/12/2008, -0/+20Fugazi
- DirtyBurger, on 12/13/2008, -1/+21The fans paid money to go see them live and play their music. That should be justification enough to put on a quality rock show.
- septicmadman, on 12/12/2008, -1/+21Not mainstream? Don't kid yourself.
- d0nkeym0nkey, on 12/12/2008, -16/+35I blame iTunes for my hemorrhoids
- wpc33, on 12/13/2008, -1/+20That was a joke. This time, he's serious.
coo-koo - niner9, on 12/12/2008, -3/+22Video killed the radio star.
- hamobu, on 12/13/2008, -1/+19Your comment does have some truth in it, yet it is also overly general. Therefore I am not going to digg your comment or bury it.
- dissolutionman, on 12/12/2008, -9/+26I blame the fact that their new album sucked balls.
And ***** Billy Corgan. He used to be cool, now he's just a douchebag. Watch as he calls up a fan onstage only to insult him when he leaves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nLwRerd8II
Not to mention, the guy even apologized first. Jeez. - edwartica, on 12/13/2008, -1/+18No, it didn't sell because It SUCKED! Seriously, I am a pretty big Smashing Pumpkins fan, and I was pretty stoked to hear they put out a new album. But when I listened to it, I was like "what is this tripe?" I'll stop there, because I could rant for hours about this, but it didn't sell because it JUST SUCKED ASS!
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 12/13/2008, -2/+19Wow, now I don't feel so bad for pirating his ***** music.
Not his recent stuff though. Zeitgeist was just rotten. I listened to it twice and deleted it. A waste of even hard-drive space in my mind. - maddskillz, on 12/13/2008, -0/+16That is true for some (maybe even most) artists. But there are some albums there that are just awesome. The way the music progresses through the album seems to tell a story. That will be lost in the world of singles. Sometimes the whole is greater then the sum of it's parts.
- Striss, on 12/12/2008, -5/+21I didn't realize there was even one track on there worth copying over to my ipod.
- skunkman62, on 12/12/2008, -4/+19thank you for your comment that means absolutely nothing.
- Paal, on 12/12/2008, -4/+19This isn't a new point, and people who think it is are retarded. Most of my friends were only listening to singles off of albums, even long before Napster, iTunes, etc.
Sure, there are the music aficionados, like myself, that worship the album format. But we've been prattling on about the importance of listening to the entire album since the beginning of the LP, and nobody listened then.
Don't blame iTunes for just giving people what they want.
Blame humans for taking what they want.
Better yet, let it go, because this is the 21st century. Just do whatever you like, and stop making me hear about it. - FACEmugger, on 12/13/2008, -2/+17I couldn't possibly agree more with kelchm. artists should be judged on the strength of their albums, not individual tracks.
- alpharaptor, on 12/13/2008, -2/+16i torrent the whole album and put my mp3 player on random/shuffle, i'm always hearing something interesting.
- sugarazor, on 12/13/2008, -0/+14Oh I'm sure plenty of meathead fratboys that go to hear Sober and Schism would try.
"I KNOW THE PIECES FIT *****!"
*takes shirt off, finishes plastic cup of Bud Light*
"***** YEAH!" - kelchm, on 12/12/2008, -4/+18I'll never buy media digitally. Well, I'll at least hold out as long as possible. I like having physical media.
- orinacko, on 12/13/2008, -4/+18The 'breaking up the band because of Britney Spears' thing was a joke. People take a guy who wears a dress to shows way too seriously.
- prodigitalson, on 12/13/2008, -0/+14I agree im an album listener as well. There arent many albums i dont like in totality that i have in my collection. Of course there are my 5-star tracks and my 2-star tracks but theres never one i wouldnt listen to. I rarely if ever use shuffle or playlist.. i prefer to listen from beginning to end. If im anxious to hear a track i may skip to that one, but then ill listent to the rest of the album fro there and let it repeat back to the track i skipped to.
Of course most of the artists i listen to tend to create a story or an overall journey with the music on the album. - santiago1, on 12/13/2008, -0/+12 Internet killed the Video Star
- jwarttman, on 12/12/2008, -1/+13their last album was pretty good actually, but there were a few stinkers that are clearly throw ins to make it a full album.
- randyzaia, on 12/12/2008, -0/+12It's not that he doesn't have a valid point. It's that he thinks that he has a god-given right to have an adoring fan base that listens to sixty-minute CDs from start to finish to appreciate his precious, unique artistic vision.
- docholoday, on 12/12/2008, -2/+13I logged in just to digg your use of "bemoaning the uncivility of man". Well done sir.
- herriojr, on 12/13/2008, -1/+11The problem is, there really isn't mosh pit etiquette anymore. Any real punk knows the etiquette required for a mosh pit. And a real punk wouldn't mosh at a Pumpkins concert, nor be at one...
- mal1964, on 12/13/2008, -0/+10Artist like the SP want to tell a story and you cant do it with singles. The tracks on an album may be related by subject, mood or sound, and may even be designed to express a unified message or tell a story
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