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- forumsiphone, on 07/15/2008, -27/+95"Realising his mistake"??? What does that mean? Has the writer absolutely no understanding of British irony and, still more British PUNK irony???? I hardly think Johnny Rotten (and I thought he changed his name to John Lydon over twenty years ago...) "accidentally" said something so obviously tongue-in-cheek and meant to antagonize.
And another thing... WTF -- a crowd *booing* at what he said??? I guess people interpreted (probably rightly) that he was making a dig at them, ie, at Americans -- so a justified response in booing him in turn. Let's hope so, because if people have it in their heads that being pro-Islam is being anti-American, then the terrorists have already won by causing us to think of ourselves as divided into a clash of cultures, east versus west; as anybody who knows any real-life Muslims knows, Muslims in general are not anti-American (though probably anti-American-government, ie putting them on the same page as many *Americans*, and certainly anti-Israel). Most are in fact very much pro-democracy and pro-freedom -- because they want these things at home in their *own* countries!
Anyway, when it comes to Johnny Rotten, never forget one thing -- none of it is about anything except one thing -- SHOW BIZ. - jamangold, on 07/15/2008, -4/+69The Sex Pistols, The Hives, Ministry - sounds like an awesome concert.
You have to take Lydon's comments into context. His entire lifetime is based on being a total asshat to everyone around him. - Bowie, on 07/15/2008, -1/+41Lydon is actually fairly shy and even nice in real life... Sure, antagonistic and occasionally fairly dry in his delivery, but at least he's honest.
Try to keep the stage persona and the real-life person distinct---What you're seeing on stage is a routine, a cartoon character. If you judged Tom and Jerry by the same standards as Lydon, you would have had both of them euthanized on the spot. - anaesthetica, on 07/15/2008, -2/+25>I guess people interpreted (probably rightly) that he was making a dig at them, ie, at Americans
The EXIT Fesitival is held in Serbia. The crowd was European, and probably mostly Serbian. It was Serbians who were booing him in regard to his political and religious comments.
But thanks anyway for the knee-jerk criticism of Americans, stemming not from a correct understanding of the events, but from your own ignorance. - shinon, on 07/16/2008, -5/+21This is such crap. There is nothing wrong with the name "Allah". It is only the Arab/Muslim equivalent of the word "God". To us, it is well, God. "Allah Ackbar" simply means "God is great". I am a Christian and have no problem hearing the name Allah. I think Johnny's intentions were probably to poke fun on how we dumb Americans have associated mere language barriers with a terrorist war cry...too bad no one understood it. I think it's funny.
- queenstarsha, on 07/16/2008, -0/+11i'm guessing that the author of this article badly misread the situation. music fans are not gonna be huge american-military-occupying-iraq-forever fans. some fans would express that by booing when the topic arose.
or maybe punk fans are a special apathetic breed of music fans who don't care about politics? - EmitStop, on 07/15/2008, -8/+19I hate it when rants are this hard to read.
- PATSCRU, on 07/16/2008, -1/+12he was basically trolling the audience, and apparently he succeeded. Lrn 2 punk.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -4/+15question is: should the US still be in Kosovo?
- Ryan32, on 07/16/2008, -2/+12Anybody else pick up on the irony that is CryRightardCry's post?
Your against Americans assuming every muslim is a terrorist, so in turn you assume every "right wing" American hates muslims?
Darwin should be paying you a visit in the near future. - soulonice, on 07/16/2008, -1/+11AND WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!
- ordig, on 07/15/2008, -3/+12I know seriously. People at that show were soooo not punk rock.
- tightscrummy, on 07/16/2008, -1/+9Damn right, Ted Nugent needs to shut the ***** up and play Wango Tango!
- bunghole999, on 07/16/2008, -1/+9The real question is-- Should the present US government still be in the US ?
- alexra, on 07/16/2008, -1/+9no
- btschul, on 07/16/2008, -1/+9Is that a new stereotype? Conservatives like N-sync?
- source1984, on 07/16/2008, -0/+8wow. it must suck to be you.
- A Muslim aka THE GREATEST THREAT TO THIS COUNTRY!! lol - inactive, on 07/16/2008, -0/+8Lighten up, you'll live longer :)
- kenvsryu, on 07/16/2008, -2/+10I'm shocked. Oh wait.
- MikeFallopian, on 07/16/2008, -1/+8He tried some half-assed rabble-rousing at a festival that actually has a very legitimate political pedigree (started as an anti-Milosevich effort). No surprise that it fell flat and he got booed. Not a huge deal either; we all say stupid ***** about Allah when we're drunk.
- inactive, on 07/16/2008, -1/+8Yeah nobody in the punk scene gives a ***** about politics!!!! (I've lost faith, in humanity, so i will say, yes this is sarcasm)
- McWhiskey, on 07/16/2008, -2/+9you clearly don't know what old school punk is then. I could give you a long list of old school bands that have talent. Today's "Punk" however is what's truly white kids with no talent (i.e Blink 182, Green Day, Sum 41 etc). Those bands shouldn't even be considered punk but they are, sadly.
And, just because somebody's occupation is a musician automatically means that's all he's educated in? He can only speak on matters involving show business and music? - SRSco, on 07/16/2008, -1/+7Only mildy funny when said in the movie. Never funny when repeated by somebody, especially on the internet.
- HorseloverFat8, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6Didn't he go back to John Lydon in about 1978? PiL ftw!
- Charlotte_Web, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6My favorite Johnny Rotten story -- he played a concert with his band, P.I.L., one time, but had set up a white curtain between the band and the audience so that they couldn't see each other. The band proceeded to play. After several minutes of very loud boo-ing from the crowd (who had paid for this debacle), Rotten pokes his head around the sheet and curses out the audience for interrupting his song.
IIRC, shortly after that, security had to hustle Rotten and P.I.L. out of there because the audience started getting violent and tearing the place apart. - ATLien74, on 07/16/2008, -0/+6I would expect nothing less out of Johnny Rotten. It's punk to piss off.
- bitterbug, on 07/16/2008, -1/+7We tend to judge countries by their leaders, even if they aren't representative.
So Iranians are all thought to be hardcore Islamists when the generation under 30 is actually quite progressive thanks to (ironically) the excellent education system put in place back in the 80s.
And the world thinks that Americans are warmongering tools because of Bush/Cheney, despite the number of American's that obviously don't want a war.
And as for Canada... our leader is a boring, conservative ***** that nobody really listens to. Oddly enough, the world considers Canadians to be boring *liberal* ***** that nobody listens to. - PATSCRU, on 07/16/2008, -3/+8and that's why i ***** love him.
- dacodanelson, on 07/16/2008, -1/+6Praising imaginary friends is never a good thing. It's a sign of mental instability.
- Ryan32, on 07/16/2008, -11/+16[quote]It really pisses me off when Americans are anti-Muslim and see a middle-eastern person and automatically think "terrorist."
It's incredibly ignorant and it makes Americans look like rednecks.[/quote]
It really pisses me off when Muslims are anti-American and blow up American buildings with civilians in them.
It's incredibly ignorant and it makes Muslims look like terrorists. - johnboycanada, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5Easy answer to this question... Serbs and Kosovars have been at war. Serbia = Christian, Kosovo = Muslim. Over-simplified? Yes, but aren't all Arabs, Muslim after all? Start asking Serbs to Praise Allah like the way the Kosovars have been for the last 20 years after they kill Serb soldiers? Johnny was obviously relying on some anti-american sentiment (and he would be right to do so after the NATO forces bombed the ***** out of Serbia and lack of popularity of the Iraq war) but praising Allah was no way to go about it. Very punk rock to antagonize, also funny as ***** as it is a total display of his ignorance about Serbia.
- Gazzali, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5Mayb he is just an entertainer...
- Metaleks, on 07/16/2008, -0/+5Best comment here. Well done, sir.
- diwanifa, on 07/16/2008, -2/+6His name is Johnny ROTTEN. And you are shocked he said something inflammatory?
- mtrip, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4Dammit people this was in SERBIA. SER...BI...AHHHH.
- source1984, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4I read your first paragraph and I thought you had a good grasp of Islam and Mideast politics. Then I read your second paragraph. Would it be right to assume you get most of your information from wiki or rightist anti-Islam sources?
Firstly, the majority of Muslims didn't support an attack on Bhutto. Its an assassination -- plain and simple - has political motivations. If you know Pakistani politics, you know how crazy it gets. If anything its a lack of Islam, and an abundance of corruption and ignorance.
Secondly, can you name for me how many well known/mainstream Islamic scholars supported the Ayatollah's fatwa against Rushdie?
ALL religious books are dangerous when things are misinterpreted. Currently the middle east is plunged in chaos, a lot of it has to do with economics and a reaction to western imperialism/u.s. foreign policy and this results in extremism being manifested through religion. Don't forget while Christianity was in the dark ages, Islam was in its Golden Age (relative to its respective time period), being one of the only pluralistic societies in the world (again, relative to its time period). So its not the religion. And I'm not trying to be politically correct, I'm trying to be factually correct. I'm a Muslim, and I can confidently say Islam is not to blame -- its certain individuals. - Metaleks, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4Maybe he did it because he was playing in Serbia? Keep politics out of music.
- TheMoniker, on 07/16/2008, -0/+41) Old school punk != white kids with no talent. See Bad Brains, for example.
2) Everyone in a democracy is entitled to their political opinions. I think that they should be put out there and discussed. We need more of it. It's vital to keeping the populace informed and involved, which is necessary (and apparently, sadly lacking, if voter turnout figures show anything) in any democracy.
3) Yes, people pay way too much attention to celebrity opinions on various matters. We have a culture of celebrity worship and it's a sad, sad thing. Perhaps it was best summed up by the Roman satirist Juvenal:
" Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man,
the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time
handed out military command, high civil office, legions - everything, now
restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things:
bread and circuses." - CountBrass, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4kingmaniac: I'd have to disagree with you there. The Clash, The Dead Kennedys, The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees to name a few talented punk bands.
The only band I can think of that I would agree falls within your description is The Sex Pistols.
McWhiskey: I think the point is that why should anyone take any notice just because he's a celebrity? He has no special insight. - cheeseron, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4it's an opinion meant to provoke thought and conversation not to be some holy book of social commentary
- cdigioia, on 07/16/2008, -0/+4"then the terrorists have already won by causing us to think of ourselves as divided into a clash of cultures"
God I hate ***** statements like that. e.g. "Then the terrorists have already won by [insert terrorist non-goal here]"
What terrorists have the end-goal of causing Americans to think there's a culture clash? That's ***** retarded. - pagno, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3Ill just subtract the Hives. WTF at they even doing there?
- notoneofus, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3That's a ridiculous argument. I wouldn't ask those people to *perform a skilled job they're not qualified for* but I'd have no problem listening to their opinions, no matter who they are.
- williamlee, on 07/15/2008, -8/+11"***** off!"
- warsongs7, on 07/16/2008, -1/+4It also pisses me off when war casualty figures are broadcast by news figures releasing numbers of how many Allied soldiers died and how many militants, every time failing to mention even giving a ballpark figure for the irresponsible civilian deaths caused.
May we someday redeem ourselves.... - CountBrass, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3I think you'll find the "whole idea" of punk was to sell more of Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood's fashions.
- dr3n, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3Allah Save The Queen... oh.. I mean God Save The Queen...!!
it's a swindle... - inactive, on 07/16/2008, -0/+3talk about a case of hypocrisy... how many times have you had american citizens do 'minor' crazy stuff abroad (singapore, korea, whatever) like steal a bag of pot and smoke it in a local schoolyard, and then get a very local life in prison?? ...you want to tell me you would not want to have your citizens shipped back for a fairer (whatever) trial?
the minute you forget it works both ways, is the minute you have lost all the right to judge anything ... I know I as a serbian have quite a few rotten apples, so for you as an american not to see the same within your batch is the biggest insult to all humanity
the second you start to think you are better then me... you and me have a problem - yurimxpxman, on 07/16/2008, -1/+3He says stuff like this all the time. His whole career is built on the entertainment people obtain from seeing him act like an ***** to people. How else could a band with ONE record survive for more than 20 years?
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