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- 93TILL503, on 02/11/2008, -3/+55An independent record label from Germany! YES!!!!!111111
- anonatron, on 02/11/2008, -17/+59Sounds to me like the place was poorly run and decided to try to save face by blaming piracy.
- jakash, on 02/11/2008, -6/+44http://thepiratebay.org/user/Stefan_Herwig/
The best thing about legal torrents is that people are not afraid to seed... so super-fast speeds... The downside is that the music is mostly un-heard-of, nothing mainstream here... - Swarms, on 02/11/2008, -3/+35"Dependent Records, an independent record label"
My head just exploded. - DeFex, on 02/11/2008, -4/+32you say nothing mainstream as if it is a bad thing.
Eat *****! 1 billion flies cant be wrong! - kuppoppo, on 02/11/2008, -5/+32Somehow, the theft of intellectual property has been disguised as a populist crusade against the RIAA. In the process, the little guys like Dependent Records are the ones who pay for online piracy with the loss of their businesses.
- Shaman760, on 02/11/2008, -12/+38Eventually they will all acquiesce.
All your tunes are belong to us. - adooga, on 02/11/2008, -3/+25I can't believe there are people here cheering this. These guys are exactly the kind of small indy companies we should support. This aint the riaa, these are the good guys.
Shame on you. - inactive, on 02/11/2008, -13/+31Sweet, another win for pirate bay.
- fkr3, on 02/11/2008, -2/+19The record label closed down. That's not a step forward.
- Scaryclouds, on 02/11/2008, -2/+18This should be some at least some evidence that pirating music does in fact hurt the music industry. Properly making music IS NOT FREE, if the majority of music is pirated the quality of music will degrade.
- inactive, on 02/11/2008, -5/+20What do you mean playing fair? People illegally download music because they don't want to pay for it (among other reasons). So are you saying the record companies should sell their stuff for free?
- Peavey, on 02/11/2008, -0/+12Precisely. Whatever progress people think they might be making by downloading music/videos/whatever illegally, all they are really doing is annoying large record labels and killing independent labels.
If you don't like someone's business model, show your distaste by not purchasing it, not by stealing it. - riverstyx, on 02/11/2008, -5/+17@Jakash:
VNV Nation is very popular amongst the industrial scene. Suicide Commando won an award a few years back for one of the albums hosted, and Velvet Acid Christ is also fairly popular.
So no, you don't know what you're talking about. - SpyDerMann, on 02/11/2008, -6/+18And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the RIAA is facing: Upgrade or die.
- inactive, on 02/11/2008, -10/+22Very interesting decision. It's nice because we get the stuff for free, but it's bad because.. well, it's our fault that legitimate companies such as this one have to resort to such options.
- cheeseron, on 02/11/2008, -2/+14is any of it any good?
- srdrums, on 02/11/2008, -1/+12I always thought people were pirating music as a way to bring change to the music industry, as owned by the major labels. After all, it's the majors that rip off artists and threaten consumers, not small indie labels. And I was all for that ... until now.
What I'm starting to realize is that not many people really care about musicians anymore. Sure you listen to their music, but people just don't want to pay for it. That's fine, but don't try to justify it by using the RIAA as an excuse. It doesn't matter if it's crap industrial, or your favorite group, most people today don't give a ***** about the time it takes to write, rehearse, record and promote an album. There's a whole generation of music fans out there who are just too damn cheap to pay up, and somehow think it's their right to have free music. Just be honest and be truthful. It's not about screwing the RIAA or helping musicians get their share. It's just about getting something for free. - mGARANDEUR1, on 02/11/2008, -2/+12Yeah, paying the artist 5% is playing fair.
- annonimality, on 02/11/2008, -7/+17FTA: “A popular claim often seen on Internet fora maintains that the P2P culture weakens the majors and bolsters the independent labels. This is, we can assure you, 100% *****. Even if there are listeners who download first and buy later, they are clearly in the dwindling minority.”
- GliTCH82, on 02/11/2008, -1/+11He's such a conformist. Let's go to Starbucks, sit down and drink coffee and talk about how much of a conformist he is.
- hackop, on 02/11/2008, -2/+12un-heard of? Hehe, I have virtually all the albums from this label, legally purchased. I would highly recommend this music, especially now since the torrents are legal. VNV Nation FTW!! mind.in.a.box is good too. I noticed Crossroads is on there by them, which is a pretty new release. Perhaps, within the last 4-5months.
- inactive, on 02/11/2008, -1/+10This is not a just war on the greedy music industry majors, this is a war on just retribution and compensation of musicians in the first place, and then producers, and all the people in between under fantasy pretenses (Oh but what happened to listen first and pay later ! If you squint your eyes hard enough, you can almost see everyone doing it !).
This "cultural revolution" has ensured that no musician can now expect to make any relevant amount of money from his releases. Production will be cut back, distribution will have to be kept confidential and visibility will have to rely on volatile and unreliable medias. No one can reasonably accept the point that musicians should make their money on tours and not on releases. Besides the fact that not every kind of music is suitable to a live concert or gig, who are you to decide that ?
Even going beyond that, I don't see how anyone can morally justify sharing music of an artist that hasn't openly expressed his wish or neutrality as to his music being distributed by such means. You just know you aren't justified, and saying this only "helps" him by making his music more widely known only covers half of the problem, the other part being he has to now choose between making music or paying for food. - Mytzylplyx, on 02/11/2008, -0/+9this hasnt been confirmed by the label as being legit yet. there is already some speculation in the industrial scene on the validity of this article/action by Stefan (the label owner).
- MrSalty, on 02/11/2008, -2/+10This is nothing to crow about. Piracy has put another independent record label out of business, meaning we have even less "unheard-of" music to listen to, giving RIAA-backed major labels an even greater market share.
- FourtyTwo, on 02/11/2008, -0/+8Spoon fed riches? Do you realize how little money artists make off their work after the record companies take their cut? You seem to imply that artists are at fault for wanting to make a living of their creative works. So according to your logic; a musician spends years perfecting their craft such that they can make music you enjoy should just ***** off and give their life’s work to you for free? Don’t confuse the current music mafia that is the RIAA with the artists.
- dinostabOMG, on 02/11/2008, -5/+13Well, the reason that you haven't heard of that stuff is because the record labels have a stranglehold on publicity. Not any particular label, so it isn't a monopoly, but their business model - so it's more like a cartel. Undoubtedly there's a lot of crap on the high seas, but then, the same goes for industry albums. Anyway, we have the means for p2p distribution, now all that's needed is the marketing secret that will let some band or label come in and clean up.
- jenel, on 02/11/2008, -0/+8[hijack]
FTA:
Update: Stefan, and a colleagues from Dependent Records officially deny that they have anything to do with the leaked albums. They claim that the albums are uploaded by someone who pretends to be Herwig, and has access to the entire catalog of the label. “We never decided anything like that. The offer is completely illegal.The Person who create an account with the nickname Stefan_Herwig has absolutely nothing to do with our label owner of the same name.”
[/hijack] - burgermind, on 02/11/2008, -0/+8That has nothing at all to do with this.
- inactive, on 02/11/2008, -3/+11FTA: as Herwig writes: “A popular claim often seen on Internet fora maintains that the P2P culture weakens the majors and bolsters the independent labels. This is, we can assure you, 100% *****. Even if there are listeners who download first and buy later, they are clearly in the dwindling minority.”
- alx242, on 02/11/2008, -0/+8"Update: We received a response from Dependent Records’ Lothar, who wrote us: “We never decided anything like that. The offer is completely illegal.The Person who create an account with the nickname Stefan_Herwig has absolutely nothing to do with our label owner of the same name.”
Stop promoting these legal torrents, since it seems they ain't. - solidus636, on 02/11/2008, -1/+8Why must you be so picky? We all know what the submitter meant.
- mGARANDEUR1, on 02/11/2008, -1/+8Maybe the record company made torrent and posted them on the pirate bay.
- fkr3, on 02/11/2008, -1/+8I think you underestimate the label's involvement in producing music. They provide the training, studio time, find extra musicians or orchestras, license songs for the musicians to perform, etcetera.
Some guy sitting at home belting out a tune, recording it on his iMac and uploading it to iTunes is not an equivelent substitute. Some band saving all their money for a few hours in a studio and releasing an unpolished, hurried album is also not an equivelent. - crodragn, on 02/11/2008, -0/+7I'm a bit confused about how Dependent Records has the legal ability to do this, to be honest. My understanding is that the musicians sign over rights to their music in exchange for a share of the profits (if this share is fair or not really isn't relevant here). Doing this to their clients music essentially kills the profitability, so it seems to me they're ***** over their musicians without their consent. I know contracts are badly written against the artist, but surely they can't be THAT badly written.
- hackop, on 02/11/2008, -0/+7Huge VNV Nation fan :) I never miss their shows.
- SquigglyP, on 02/11/2008, -0/+6For every "artist" who makes "millions" of "dollars" there are 100 other "smaller" "artists" who make next to "nothing". My brother - apart from being IN a band which never got signed, but got close - works in the industry, and i can tell you that 99% of the work he does is with bands and artists who live in ***** neighborhoods and work a 'real job' or two so they can afford to make music. But then, you don't sound like the kind of "person" who's downloading indy music.
- down1nit, on 02/11/2008, -0/+6I am really going to miss Dependent. I can say with absolute certainty that I love everything they distribute.
- orp2000, on 02/11/2008, -1/+7Unfortunately it's not up to you. Or at least it shouldn't be. Don't you think the artists should be able to determine if they want to give their music away for free or not. Nice rationalization that you would rather hand them your "money personally," but that's all it is. It's a rationalization so you don't have to feel like a thief for stealing the work of the artists you like. Everybody who downloads music from the internet in any way that doesn't allow the artist to be paid is a thief, nothing more. They're not revolutionaries. They're not consumers on a "new front." They're thieves. They're little spoiled creeps with a feeling of entitlement that they should get whatever they want for free. And they're punks. Artists deserve their royalties, and they already get constantly ripped off by their industry, and now they're getting ripped off by their fans as well. Way to give props to the artists that give you so much. You call some folks greedy vampires. I suggest you and all your torrent friends look in the mirror, but perhaps there wouldn't be any reflection.
- bigt8dogg, on 02/11/2008, -1/+7I download CDs that I used to own all the time... I no longer have them due to being scratched, broken, lost and stolen, but I paid for them at least once... I have so many thousands of discs floating around that I just keep everything archived on my hard drive. Fair Use. And I know many people who do the same thing... However, we're all labeled as Illegal Downloaders... so if I'm gonna be branded as such, I might as well earn that branding.
- tango308, on 02/11/2008, -0/+6Their website doesn't indicate anything about closing it's doors...Fishy.
- burgermind, on 02/11/2008, -0/+6Damn, I wish the online hordes thought this through like you just did. It's depressing to see so many people think this is just about labels. People just take whatever they want and use their (well warranted) hate of the major labels to somehow justify not paying tribute to these artists. That's pretty Hypocritical! Whining about how the major labels screw over artists (and I agree, they do) while at the same time screwing over artists by enjoying their music without supporting them. Buying band merchandise and going to concerts is a great way to help (because the artists get a much larger percentage of said money), but I'd wager only a tiny minority do this with any consistency.
- Jibberwalk, on 02/11/2008, -1/+7I feel like such a vulture. Picking morsels of a carcass.
- Ryosen, on 02/11/2008, -0/+6That's why I always sneak into concerts. It's OK, tho, because I still support the bands by thinking nice thoughts and wishing nothing but ponies and rainbows for them. Oh, and cupcakes, too, so they can eat. With frosting.
Wait, you mean that's not enough? - Frnnkdlxx, on 02/11/2008, -1/+6This isn't a win for anybody. Record labels (businesses and investors lose) and the artists lose. I think that the best weapon of choice for suicide is here:
http://digg.com/politics/Blackwater_Develops_First ... - MikeSD34, on 02/11/2008, -5/+10I believe the implication is DRM, but if you can't get something the way you want it, you don't steal it, you just don't buy it.
- Aensland, on 02/11/2008, -0/+5@fkr3: Agreed. My own band records in a friend's makeshift studio, it's not the best but we've poured quite a bit of money into it, which I doubt all aspiring musicians can afford to do.
- iofthestorm, on 02/11/2008, -0/+5The difference with p2p is that it's a lot easier and there's no physical media to fiddle with, you just click a few buttons and there's the music on your computer.
- Matt2k, on 02/11/2008, -0/+5You tortured soul, you. Having to spend a few minutes ripping a CD. Jesus, I don't know how we managed back in the dark ages. And have you checked? Lots of music online is now DRM free and the numbers are growing.
- inactive, on 02/11/2008, -0/+5Right, 124.217.249.96 is the seeder. It is a box located in Malaysia. How is this legit?
Once again Torrentfreak spammed made-up stories to get ad revenue. -
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