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- matriculated, on 11/12/2007, -9/+177More proof that the media doesn't really do any research.
- NuFadZoo, on 11/12/2007, -4/+16395% of stats are made up. 76% of all people know that.
- PabloIV, on 11/12/2007, -7/+74I am really interested in seeing these numbers because it could very possibly turn out that the "True Success" was a total failure. (hope not though)
- inactive, on 11/12/2007, -2/+51Article lacks substance.
You coulda summed it up in the description: "Radiohead says third party figures are false."
Saves the hassle of clicking the link only to read a few paragraphs that basically say the same thing with no further details. - fkr3, on 11/10/2007, -6/+47To summarise... Radiohead say the stats in the article are wrong then keep the real stats a secret.
Then the article makes the assumption that the real stats are better than the stats in the article. Based on nothing. - fribhey, on 11/10/2007, -0/+40the true success was the publicity generated by offering the album this way. the band didn't spend a dime on marketing or manufacturing yet created the kind of buzz in the music world that only happens in a music executive's wet dream.
- mlostracco, on 11/12/2007, -7/+38But Radiohead says the stats are wildly false, but doesn't supply the real numbers. So, what are they?
- IEatHamburgers, on 11/13/2007, -2/+33No, if you were 100% drunk you'd be typping lik thdis
- vulapine, on 11/10/2007, -0/+27People who want to know if the "pay what you like" formula is a viable alternative to the current methods of acquiring music.
- yunus, on 11/10/2007, -1/+25If Radiohead is trying to lead the way to a new business model or change the industry they need to release the numbers. We all assume that "total success" means better numbers than the article mentions but record companies are probably ignoring this because there is no evidence that it was successful.
- Bridea, on 11/10/2007, -8/+31MSM getting pwned? dugg.
- CraigJ, on 11/10/2007, -14/+37none of our business, really.
- riggs32, on 11/10/2007, -0/+22ok dont flame me if I'm way off here, but in highschool I had a class where we learned about the history of music. One week discussion turned to the record industry and I was told that artists make almost no money off album sales, because record companies keep nearly all of this money. The artists usually make their money off concert sales. So if this is true, it doesn't matter if many people are downloading radioheads cd for free, because the people that pay the 10-15 bucks for it online are giving that money directly to the band, instead of 90% of it going to the record label. I think that even if only a quarter of the people downloading this cd are paying decent cash for it, the band will still make more profit then they would distributing through a record label.
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -4/+25Clearly you are wrong, as 45% know that.
- revjustin2, on 11/10/2007, -4/+21I am 100% drunk right now.
- nicc, on 11/10/2007, -0/+13their management has allready stated that they would release the numbers after the new year.
they are probably waiting for the boxset orders to process/ship. - silveravnt, on 11/11/2007, -0/+13You obviously don't understand humor then
- vulapine, on 11/09/2007, -0/+13They may not be intentionally false, but the result of limited sampling. If I only survey the highway at rush hour, I might say the average speed is 25 mph, while the actual average in a 24 hour period may be 55mph.
- Arducius, on 11/10/2007, -2/+15I personally would rather pay $0 than £0, with the current exchange rate.
- zyl0x, on 11/10/2007, -5/+18I guess that "74% of all statistics are made up on the spot" rule applies to the media now too.
- Ziggygallaway, on 11/09/2007, -0/+12Then all stats would be at 911%
- Chirp08, on 11/10/2007, -6/+18The results are skewed anyway thanks to numerous massive donations by people thinking Radiohead was doing the right thing for a change.
- zanzzz, on 11/10/2007, -0/+12Sometimes music needs to be heard a few times to "get it". If I had deleted every recording I heard once and wasn't amazed by my musical collection and horizon would be very narrow. Like tasting food, give it time, try it again. Your efforts will be rewarded.
- inactive, on 11/12/2007, -3/+14Last night I heard a local radio station claiming what Radiohead did was a total failure due to these numbers. They should have released the numbers earlier so this smear wouldn't have happened. Now "Joe Mainstream" will never hear if they turn out to be positive.
- CthulhuDawn, on 11/10/2007, -0/+11Also, even if the statistics were accurate, couldn't it be that a huge percentage of people bought it for nothing, liked it, and then went back and paid them for it?
- mzwaterski, on 11/10/2007, -1/+12No. comScore provided results based on a sample of people that they monitor. In other words, they have *some* basis for backing up their analysis. Radiohead responded with the equivalent of "nuh-uh". If they really want to respond, give us some numbers. My suspicion is that comScore is closer than Radiohead would like people to believe.
- vulapine, on 11/10/2007, -3/+12I guess that's why bands hang gold records on their walls and show up for awards ceremonies when they sell large number of albums.
- shootdashit, on 11/09/2007, -1/+9is it not obvious that they don't want to release the figures right now? maybe ever? it was their experiment. they didn't announce that they would be doing this experiment to revolutionize the entire music industry and try to shape up everyone else's new direction on how to fix a broken system. i could be wrong, but i don't see them really thinking it's anyone's business about what they made. they could have easily stated in their response that the numbers were wrong and hre's the proof. but they didn't. i don't go around telling everyone how much money i make on ventures. if they put out another record in this same fashion, it was a success.
- meamog, on 11/10/2007, -0/+8Radiohead view themselves as artists, and their albums as their work. You don't expect to buy part of a painting, do you?
Your views may (and it seems, do) differ, but in the end, it's Radiohead's work. - gotterdammerung, on 11/09/2007, -0/+8Maybe it is kind of pretentious, but it's also kind of true (in my opinion). Typically, whenever a Radiohead song pops up on my iPod, I go back and listen to the parent album. A lot of artistic effort went into those albums; I don't think there's anything wrong with the artists wanting to control how they're distributed.
- ferndave, on 11/10/2007, -0/+8Why does this have to be termed in "true success" or "true failure"??? How about: Radiohead released an album where people could pay whatever the hell they wanted and as a result people were happy.
The only people who care about the success rate are the labels. If the point of this was to go around them, why use their definition of success or failure? - dgelinas, on 11/10/2007, -2/+10Gotta love it. Spouting false #'s to get attention is the new things these days.. especially when it comes to blame and revenue losses.
- AutomaticTLC, on 11/10/2007, -0/+7Correct, riggs. See. Success!
- Ziggygallaway, on 11/12/2007, -1/+8I'm curious as to what the definition of "true success" is. In my opinion, any actions, no matter how lucrative, that take money and power away from the record companies is success.
- dalittle, on 11/10/2007, -1/+8What is this great marketing are you talking about? The same old top 40 crap songs they push over and over and over. I am all for cracking that infrastructure into a million pieces so you don't hear the same songs over and over and over and have to make it on talent once again. And no distribution costs mean anyone can be a sensation over night on just word of mouth.
- suedepop, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Even if the median cost paid per customer was $3, they would still make more money than under the old model.
- Ziggygallaway, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6Additionally, since the album cost to the consumer is nil. More consumers are apt to buy/download and listen to the product. Increased exposure. Then, when the band tours they will have their regular fan base + those obtained through their "free" music give-away. More ticket sales=more profits.
- SolitaireRose, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6I listened to an interview with their manager who said if the median cost was 50 cents, they'd make more money than under their old deal with the record companies.
- revjustin2, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6I appreciate the response from the band. Their point that no outside organization can know the true sales numbers is a very good one. I also am pleased to see that the concepts of measuring success are being questioned as well. To assume that the release of any artistic material can be deemed a success based on net profits along is shortsighted.
That all being said: I would love to know what those numbers are AND I would love to know what Radiohead's vision of success is. - modernhumorist, on 11/10/2007, -0/+6Thing is -- they're going to have a lot of stats of people who downloaded but didn't pay. I downloaded but didn't pay because I wanted to hear the album first. Personally, I thought it sucked and deleted it right afterward. That'll skew the results in the opposite direction as well.
- zcreem, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6Younger people, come on I remember recording stuff of others LP's and the Radio in the 70's.
This is hardly a new thing is it, and BTW do you "Borrow" books from friends? - MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -0/+6I didn't pay for the album but if the numbers MIGHT not be great then that's no good.
annddd... I just paid right now. I really want this to be a success, even if I didn't like the album (I do like it though). - Bostocks, on 11/10/2007, -1/+7The stupid thing is, the damage is done. The original headline, that fans would pay nothing given the option, resonated across all the mainstream news channels, I saw it on my local news. The correction just isn't as interesting of a headline, most people won't hear about it at all. And, the myth that the RIAA's costly and unfair distribution network is the best way to make sure an artist gets paid for their work will live on.
- Jonjonjonny, on 11/10/2007, -1/+7The stats may be false but I think more people probably paid nothing. I did.
- bigsteve, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5He actually summed it up in the title.
- Peavey, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5I paid $0.02 so I could evaluate the album, and then paid $10 after I had decided on its worth to me.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4You're getting annoying, you came here to blast people for something you don't even know they are doing. Yes that's right, you said "you kids" and you don't even know who you are referring to.
If you hadn't noticed, this thread is about THE BAND selling/giving away their own album, and you want to bitch about stealing? - Peavey, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4I totally agree. And I'm glad that Radiohead has the artistic control over their work such that they can choose to only sell the complete album. It may frustrate me that I can't get their albums through iTunes, but there are other places to get their albums and in the end I am glad when artists can control their work and not labels
- plaing, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4is 'tech consumer' considered 'msm'?
- kingvik, on 11/10/2007, -0/+4That's o.k., 57% of people think that.
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