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- adam8281, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Favorite Quotes:
From Nelly - "As an artist you hate for someone to break into your home and take everything that you’ve accumulated over the last how many ever years you’ve been in this game. It’s like a dream to get here, and then once you get here to have someone take it from under you is real tough to deal with. We really look at it as stealing, because, that’s just it, to us it’s black and white, either you pay for it or you don’t. And, you’re not paying for it."
Wow, Mr. Nelly, that must really suck for someone to "break into your home and take everything you've accumulated over the last however many years." I wasn't aware that this had happened. Be strong, man, even if they have "taken your dream from under you," they cannot take your freedom!
From Missy Elliot: "Hip Hop has always been about the attainable dream – about running your own business, your own club, your own fanzine. Turning your back on the bootleggers helps us pave the way for the next generation of entrepreneurs. We do our best to bring you the latest, hottest beats, and we appreciate it when our fans show their love and respect by going in that record store and buying the finished product."
Ms. Elliot, is it fanzines, is that what the hip-hop dream is about? OK, I was confused, I guess I didn't realize that what the tough brothers we see on MTV really want is to have their own little magazine.
From DMX: "It was a rough road but I made it. I got to where I wanted to be. And, part of being where I want to be is getting paid for my work. But, when you download songs off the Internet it’s stealing. It’s taking away from those 19 years of writing, it’s taking away from those 19 years of struggling. Because straight up and down it’s stealing. My fans, my real fans, they got love for me. [It]’s stopping new artists from getting where they need to be. It’s killing the industry as we know it. Stop stealing. Go in the store and buy like everybody else."
It's funny to see these artists whose music is often filled with strategies for breaking the law (I think of a DMX song that was popular when I was in high school: "How many niggaz will get high with me?!") whine like little schoolgirls over the prospect of someone downloading a song.
From P. Diddy: "As an artist who has dedicated his life to music and the music business, I have seen what illegal music copying has done and continues to do to new and established musicians. I understand why people download music, but for me and my fellow artists, this is our livelihood. When you make an illegal copy, you're stealing from the artist. It’s that simple. Every single day we're out here pouring our hearts and souls into making music for everyone to enjoy. What if you didn’t get paid for your job? Put yourself in our shoes!"
Unbelievable, a man who's livelihood is actually predicated upon the ability to make people imagine how cool it must be to be in his bling-encrusted shoes is now begging us to to imagine how uncomfortable those shoes can really be.
From Vanessa Carlton: "I think it’s great that there are even more avenues today to expose music and new artists. And I’m all for getting a taste of something before you buy it, but when it becomes more than a taste and people begin hoarding the entire work, it becomes piracy which results in a system in which artists are not being rewarded for their works. Works which they put everything they have into creating and then working their asses off to support and promote."
First, it's a little disillusioning to hear Vanessa Carlton swear. She had such a "good girl" image going. Second, how did this quote make it onto the site. You can "take a taste," but "not too much?" Isn't this precisely the message the record industry is trying to couteract? You can't "sample" before you buy; you can't "try a track to see if you like the artist."
And a final quote from Eminem, with no comment necessary: Eminem, Grammy Award Winning Rapper: "I'm sorry; when I worked 9 to 5, I expected to get a paycheck every week. It's the same with music; if I'm putting my heart and all my time into music, I expect to get rewarded for that. I work hard and anybody can just throw a computer up and download my music for free. It could kill the whole purpose of making music. It's not just about the money…It's the thrill of going to the store; you can't wait till that artist's release date, taking the wrapper off the CD and putting the CD in to see what it sounds like. I've seen those little sissies on TV, talking about how 'The working people should just get music for free,' I've been a working person. I never could afford a computer, but I always bought and supported the artists that I liked. I always bought a Tupac CD, a Biggie CD, a Jay-Z CD. If you can afford a computer, you can afford to pay $16 for my CD." - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think enough truth came out already that you have to be pretty stupid to think that buying an RIAA CD helps the artist at all. The artist gets money from live performances. The RIAA gets money from CD's. The RIAA can go to hell. Them suing the innocent, creating DRMed crap, and raping us with over priced ***** is whats hurting the artists. Any artist not smart enough to realize they are being taken deserves it.
- VaderHader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3remember, everytime you download illegal music God kills a kitten.
- gheide, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4DIGG EFFECT CANNON FODDER: (i.e. use this email for those pesky forms that ask for emails)
Domain ID:D90403970-LROR
Domain Name:MUSICUNITED.ORG
Created On:18-Sep-2002 20:52:25 UTC
Last Updated On:30-Aug-2005 14:35:05 UTC
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Name Server:NS3.TST-US.COM - essrog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How about taking an ethical stand against selling CDs that sabotage consumers' computers?
- saleens281, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And the moral of the story is:
Teach your kids to be sneaky about pirating music so they don't get caught. - Xopl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How can they say that legally it is no different than shoplifting a CD from a store when the maximum fine for stealing one CD is so much less than the maximum fine *per song* for distributing digital copies.
What does this tell us kids? That's right! Shoplift your music! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2DigitalAnarkist, you have a point.. a prime example would be The Offspring who believed their music should all be free for streaming online, and the record company simply wouldn't let them.. it caused a big problem.
The future is free streaming and downloads online, bandwidth costs paid for by advertisments and links to purchasing the real CD from an online retailer like amazon or iTunes.
the future is offering people CHOICE, high street retailers will shrivel and die, it is unfortunately innevitable, last time HMV and virgin megastore had a competition week long sale as to who could cut the most prices.. and they were selling music at a loss to get people into the store and purchasing bulk music.
why go to a shop when you can sample it in iTunes, get it cheaper and quicker.. free online samples, or downloads lead to chart success, many models have proved this.. as mentioned the arctic monkeys, no marketting from the record company, 1st week of the single's release after having myspace downloads they went to number 1.
there is no future for the artist who is not willing to evolve, and offer the consumer choice.. however great and amazing their music is. - CrazyAntal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When they're discussing the intricacies of copyright law on http://musicunited.org/1_whocares.html, aren't they violating the trademarks of KaZaA / Morpheus / Gnutella by not citing the trademark owners? :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Electro how does download do a disservice to those who buy their music?
Realistically, the prices have gone down since downloading has become an issue, sure it's only a few quid in the case of CDs, but if anything downloaders have saved you money.
And if you ever watch cribs you'll know that artists are not struggling in life like the record industry makes out.. and don't get me started on how this has a bad deal on independant artists.. if you ask any of them they're happy to have fans download their music if they go to shows as a result.. they're just happy that people hear them, for bands like arctic monkeys the myspace website was the source of their success, and it is the download model that is the future for many 'indie' bands, by the way if you've not heard of the arctic monkeys they went from myspace .mp3 downloads to number 1 in the official british charts. - Benjamingt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"why go to a shop when you can sample it in iTunes, get it cheaper and quicker.."
Well, a CD can be imported into iTunes using Apple Lossless, and I can burn files from a CD however many times I want. Imported CD files don't have copy protection, either. Even if there is a premium, I'll always want the CD. I only buy singles from iTunes. - drysz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It makes me cry when an artist can only afford 10 solid platinum bathtubs in their 50,000 sq ft beach house. :(
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2RIAA = Real Idiots and Airheads
- mutant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"cyberpilots license"?? Is this ***** joke?
- matt.rubin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2we got any hax0rs here or should we go for the DDOS?
- anthony1124, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yea. and it's a drag when there are millions of other artists out there that are amazing and do not get the recongnition they deserve because the record industry is too busy taking the soul out of music by buying songs from song writers, taking their lawyers kids, and their kids, and creating a pop group/ band that gets the hell played out of them on mtv and the radio. music is suppose to be cultural.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The site is quite accurate. I hate people who download music it does a disservice to people who actually purchase all there music legally like me."
How does it do you a disservice? - YoshoKatana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1About the cybercitizen website: I'm going to ignore all the factual errors, the irritating, patronizing talk, and even the horrid "rules" page. What I REALLY don't like is the font. Seriously, Comic Sans MS? What year is this, 1998? (And this is on a government website, no less. I shudder to think about it, standing on the precipice of their deep void of computer illiteracy)
- ripter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Spencerocks
"Only wrong if you get caught, the ideology of this generation."
This 'ideology' is as old has human history. Plato even wrote about it in "The Ring of Gyges"
Check it out: http://www.cis.fordham.edu/~gsas/philosophy/ethics/platoreading1.htm - MaZAKaR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How come its always all of the really rich music artists that are complaining? Dont they have enough money as it is? The web page only features artists complaining, what about all of the artists that use it as an advantage? Do they stand for this crap RIAA is putting out? This sounds like a Michael Moore movie... lets only provide our side to make people believe us by throwing out false information to prove a point... wheee...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, I agree, complete propoganda, the titles are so sickly corporate. Who do they think they are fooling?
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If music retailers actually participated in letting albums depreciate, I'd buy more music. Right now the cost of buying an album just to experiment is way too high. Back when I could pick up an unknown album for 9.99 US I had significantly less reservation trying out a new band/group/whatever. But with our remaining local retailers wanting 18.99-21.99 US for all their albums, I just don't see it being reasonable to shell out that much for an album that 99% of the time will only have 2-3 songs worth listening to.
- geekologist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cyber-Ethics Champion Certificate:
A special Certificate of Recognition is available to reward children who voluntarily agree to be “cyber ethics champions” and follow the Cyber Ethics Champion Code.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. - pgm_01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11. Stealing music is against the law
Congress shall have the power to... promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries..."
Nowhere in that statement does Congress empower a middleman that will suck up all revenue from music sales and yet that is the system we have today.
2. Stealing music betrays the songwriters and recording artists who create it.
Only if they actually made the money in the first place. Britney Spears is rich because of her underage striptease shows (sorry, concerts) not because she sold millions of albums.
3. Stealing music stifles the careers of new artists and up-and-coming bands.
Pure BS straight from the bull. The newest bands that are becoming popular have fan bases built around free music on the net and are coming from independent record companies.
4. Stealing music threatens the livelihood of the thousands of working people
Where is the economic research to back this? RIAA companies have been pressing fewer CDs and putting out fewer bands. Surely normal economics have more of an effect on Ellen the CD press operator than downloading the latest from Disturbed.
Theft is bad. Hypocrisy is worse. The RIAA could work with others to create a payment system that would allow for the distribution of music without resorting to closed sites (Itunes, new Napster etc.). They could stop pocketing the cash from CD sales and give the artists they are so worried about an actual cut of CD sales. They could lower CD prices and stop producing corrupt copy-protected discs. They could stop suing 13 year olds and hundreds of John Does at once. Or they can continue down a path that will lead to their destruction.
At one time, just about every town in the US had a blacksmith. What would have happened if they prevented the car from being used because it would hurt their livelihood? Today we have mechanics and not blacksmiths, it would have been smart to learn how to repair a car instead of fighting against it. It is clear that the RIAA intends to talk down to their customers and treat the artists and consumers as expendable. They will only be an entry in wikipedia and not a functioning entity within a few years by their own doing, not because of piracy. - Mr.Ortiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Congress shall have the power to... promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries..."
U.S. Constitution
Article 1, Section 8
The key words there are "for limited times". Unfortunately, the entertainment industry and their paid-for representatives in Congress have extended the time limit potentially past the century mark. You ignore the spirit of the law, we'll ignore the letter. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Pirating software is not the same, I think QuickTime is a bad deal, when you consider that windows media player for windows that comes bundled has many features standard, like full screen video.
QuickTime should have full screen standard, and things like 'open file' as standard, QuickTime standard is unfairly crippled, knowing that the average user doesn't use the export feature at all.. £20 for full screen? Pahahahaa.
There is an alternative though, VLC. - vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gee, they seem to use this whole "stealing" argument a whole heck of a lot. The difference is, when people steal from a store they get ARRESTED NOT SUED. When you get arrested, there is a procedure and a burden of proof must be met. Seriously, do these people believe their own BS or what?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am sorry, but I don't participate in supporting an organization that encourages training their artists to be more slutty in order to increase record sales. I don't support an organization that forces it's artists to make such quotes and comments because the artist wants to stay signed with their contract so they can keep having concerts, even if they don't believe anything they just said. I don't support an organization that sells CD's for $19 and pays the artist $.24-$.45 per cd sold and keeps at least $8 per cd for profit each sale themselves (yes, including their media "advertising" on the artists behalf, and now the legal fees to "protect" the artists.)
Artists should be fighting and striking back for the very little they are paid per CD and stop getting so bamboozled over the sudden riches from concert ticket sales they have. They should be making more in cd sales!
- Rocketgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That website is truly frightening. Seeing how the music organised crime syndicate is trying to crush consumers legitimate fair use with the support of the legal system is very, very distasteful. These extortionists need their offices bugged, their tracks trailed, and any evidence of any wrongdoing then escalated to the authorities. Even then, they'll probably just pay off some corruptable politician with abribe, and get away with it. [Sigh]
- matthewpang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just reading that made me want to steal some music.
*fires up favourite file sharing client*
Total number of files : 19352
Number of pending downloads : 19
Number of current uploads : 57
COME GET ME RIAA MOFOS. I DARE YOU .
I know I`ll make your lives easy,
Here you go
My current ip: 60.49.117.95
My ISP : TMNet Malaysia
You can contact my isp by calling : +603-8319 4852
I`ll be waiting.
ps:this and a list of all the media i`m currently sharing has been mailed to hmccaffrey@riaa.com - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There are so many lies in this site its discusting.
- djdole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I loke how they cite this as "LAW":
"Congress shall have the power to... promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries..."
Tell me...WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND considers "POP" music 'useful art'!?!
The RIAA, What a bunch of bullsheite. - tomakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"To assert that music should be free is the same as saying it has no value—that music is worthless. It’s not."
Riiiight, because every single artist and band creates music for the single purpose of making money. - milomind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The CyberSpacers' Oath:
On my honor, I promise to do my best along the Information Super-Highway.
Will do! To the Porn Cave! - hellsyeah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh No! Diddy and Nelly are going to have to go and live on the streets! I'm so sorry Diddy I didn't realize that you were losing so much money, I saw the Bentleys on your videos and thought that you might be doing alright for yourself, I guess I was wrong! And Nelly, does this mean that you are going to have to sell you 3 million dollar "grille" just so as you can afford your next meal? Get real.
- bpd115, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here's the deal. Before MP3s were all the rage I bought cds based on bands I knew I liked. Listened to the Radio. MP3s (napster days) allowed me to sample more artists and ....buy more CDs. iTunes made it easy to pick up a single or 2 for 99c. Even whole albums for 9.99 if I like. Plenty of people will pay via the iTunes model for a song or two they like. People do NOT want to be forced into buying a 19.00 CD for one song.
The people who download via kazaa and the like? If tomorrow there were no way to get songs illeaglly, they would not be buying 100s of CDs. They'd buy their favorite artists and that's it. - CaptSmirk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Counter site proposal: dataunited.org
"Hi, we're 0 and 1, and we're owned by everyone and everything in the universe. However, some people say that if you string us together in certain patterns, you should be branded a criminal."
It shouldn't be one sided, but it should provide simple, easy to follow counterpoint to all this pro-intellectual property spin. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Eww they use tables...
- asimovsbest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0to be honest..I have downloaded some songs that you cannot buy at any store online or otherwise.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We are kiddie porn, we're made up of 1s and 0s which are owned by everyone and everything in the universe, but some people say we should be branded criminal just because our composition.
. - lamprey187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0adam8281 your comment was great. It cracks me up at the hypocrisy of "artists" that lyrically promote all sorts of law breaking and an I don't give a F--K attitude, but then when it comes to copyright law they drop the hardcore gangster image and sound like an after school special. Ok to talk about packing a gun etc. but don't download some 0s and 1s.
- endersadvocate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.cyberspacers.com/oath/join.html
So they want to protect kids by having them send personal information over an unencrypted web site?
classic.. - alchemista, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oh man, i broke rule #3 cyberspace:
"
3. DON'T give any personal information, such as your family's address, phone number, credit card or calling card numbers, your school's name, or your picture to anyone on a computer network that you don't personally know.
"
Maybe we can get Amazon and a bunch of other e-shops to take this site down. - drufus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0when i had vcrs and the radio/cassette recorder setup it was all okay...
most of these hip hop artists should shut up. i bet when they started, they didn't "license" all of the samples they used for "their" music. Guess who's next to be receiving a shakedown, mash-ups!
viva la archive.org!! la creative commons!!and your CDBabys of the world!!
even better karma= support your local musicians, put your money into their hands for the CD - g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To my way of thinking, "aritists" want to create something beautiful and share it with the world. A Businessman wants to create something and sell it to the world. So musicians and bands like Metallica are not artists, they are businessmen, so ***** them.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Pretty much everyone who has been busted so far. From what I can remember the RIAA has won 100% of the time. Seems to me like it stands up in court just fine."
The RIAA bullied 100% of the time and got big lawyers to scare folks into paying up before even going to court.
Very few (any?) cases have actually made it to court.
Also, downloading music *IS NOT THEFT*. It's copyright infringment. - d0rk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0you'd think the RIAA would have enough money to buy some decent graphics, but instead the site is a compilation of free stock images.
- ThePaleHunter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hold on... where's the section that tells me how to turn in my neighbor? Not only do I suspect them of downloading music, but I think they're GAY.
- alchemista, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0from:
http://www.cybercrime.gov/rules/cyber1c.htm
"Since you bought the game, you get the instruction manual that comes with it, which has lots of hints and secret codes that help you play the game. You also get the producer's guarantee that if anything is wrong with the game, the company will replace it. You may also get special offers for product "upgrades" (new, better versions) or other products."
Since when do you get 'secret codes that help you play the game' in an instruction manual? Since when does the producer guarantee if anything is wrong they will replace it? I've seen plenty of buggy things released and they don't guarantee a replacement. And then, oh wait, I get can get special offers or upgrades or other products!!! AKA SPAM...
This is the biggest crock of ***** propaganda site. - CoyotesFan84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I thought this was funny....
"Congress shall have the power to... promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries..."
U.S. Constitution
Article 1, Section 8
Yet local governments are cutting music and performing arts programs from schools like a hot knife through buttah... -
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