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- Hiki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+435Who the hell do they think they are? If they think that they can steal from the artists, why the hell shouldn't I steal from them?
- vanbacon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+284Yah no kidding this pisses me off so much. They sue college students for downloading music and then have the balls to profit from bands that want nothing to do with the RIAA. What a bunch of money grubbing *****
***** the RIAA. - 0004, on 07/04/2008, -1/+170this looks like racketeering plain and simple to me, which automatically classifies the R.I. Ass of A as a corrupt organisation as definded by the RICO act of 1970:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/
criminal activity: checked: collecting money for copyrighted works you don't own. (doesn't RIAA always claim that copyright infringement and piracy is a crime ?? here's that claim thrown right back at you dudes)
long term: checked: they have been doing this for quite a while now
statute of limitations of 4 years: checked (for some artists only though): there are surely at least a few artists that have only launched in these past 4 years, and are being 'milked' with this 'protection' tax by the R.I. Ass of A
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Go to the SoundExchange site: http://plays.soundexchange.com/... and take a look at the hundreds of indie labels for whom SoundExchange claims they have collected royalties. Enter some of those label names on http://www.riaaradar.com/... and notice how few are actually members of the RIAA. Contact the label and ask if they are a member of RIAA and they almost certainly aren’t and may not even be aware that SoundExchange is collecting royalty fees on their music.
------------------ - fromonesource, on 10/12/2007, -1/+150I run a small college radio station at Arcadia University in PA and the advice that everyone was giving us in response to the royalty rate hikes was "just play independent artists." I don't know how many times I had to try to explain the delusional logic of SoundExchange 'owning' all music ever recorded. Everyone says "well that doesn't make sense." Yeah, no *****.
- nzknzknzk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+143ATTN: RIAA
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.............................. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+141I think it is time we start re-defining what "Terrorism" is.
- schroeder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+108I hope more indie artists hear about this and put up a fight or sue them for these practices. This has to be illegal and something has to be done to stop all this nonsense.
- orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -2/+86"Who the hell do they think they are?"
They (RIAA) are the ones who have the means to write the bigger check (bribe) to government representatives and bureaucrats. That is way it is illegal for you to steal, but it is legal for them to steal from you. - morriscat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+83Great, I'm going to have to write a EULA for each piece of music I release now...
Just ***** wonderful. - juxtapose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+78I release some of my work under the CC license so sites like soma.fm and other people making videos can use my material without hunting me down to get my permission. But it seems SoundExchange is playing the job of the heavy here whether I like or not. Well, I don't like it. How can this compulsory license override my free and open CC license. this crap just blows me away.
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+70Seems like MAFIAA is becoming a more and more appropriate acronym.
- bIuebonics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+61wow. i guess it's about time to start downloading more free music.
- Xanium4332, on 10/12/2007, -0/+60So they're telling me that if I make a song and make money from it, they want a cut. What the fsck are they on. I don't care who you ask, THAT'S WRONG!!!!
I'm sorry, I'd rather live somewhere not under the rule of asshats! - Salgat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+58All your music are belong to us.
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...|............... ............|........|...... - elcopy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+60What about e-mailing a REAL News Channel?
- emehrkay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+52This is absolutely insane that some entity could blanket-collect on all internet performance streams. It's like XYZ corp. owning the rights to all webpage loads. Is this not a monopoly? Are there other companies [options] out there for an artist? I don't understand how they have precedent over free will. I wouldnt be suprised if the RIAA becomes the biggest corp in the world at this rate - *****, they have "he right to collect royalties on all songs regardless of who controls the copyright."!!
Whats up Washington? We're electing you to allow things like this? - TheOther1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+51If RIAA pulls this off, Microsoft will be demanding $$ for all Open Source work.
- orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -0/+47"SoundExchange collects money through compulsory royalties from Webcasters and holds onto the money. If a label or artist wants their share of the money, they must become a member of SoundExchange and pay a fee to collect their royalties"
God dam! That is legalized gangsterism at best. As far as the RIAA goes, whole situation proves without a doubt that their mission has less to do with stamping out piracy as they claim, and more do with created a solid monopoly on the not just the music industry, but all music in general regardless of the artist's own wishes. - xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+46Isn't this illegal? Can this be stopped? Someone, or some organization, needs to sue the RIAA. Not only are they extortionists, but they are crippling the future of music with DRM and their own agendas.
This needs to stop! - orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -0/+43I hate to reply to my own statement, but I just had a thought. Under these new rules, the government effectively gave the RIAA and its collections arm, SoundExchange an exclusive, and coercive (through lawsuits) monopoly on not just industry music but all music. From the government's point of view this makes perfect sense. Artists in general, be it painters, sculptors, musicians, ext. lifestyle, this group often works/performs "under the table" so to speak. The government loses tax revenue. By granting the RIAA an exclusive, compulsory monopoly, this forces all artists to send any royalties to SoundExchange, which CREATES A PAPER TRAIL, which allows for the collection of taxes. Its a win-win-lose situation. The government gets their tax revenue, the RIAA gets a legalized, extortionist monopoly, and the artists is forced to pay a fee to collect their own money under the threat of crushing lawsuits from the RIAA if they dare keep their own money.
I could be wrong, just a thought folks. - ironbear, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44There is no workaround for the huge new internet radio rates. Playing indie artists won't get around the fact that each song played...including indie music...ends up in a fat payday for the RIAA.
This is a call to action to support HR-2060, the Internet Radio Equality Act, which would lower the rate from what amounts to 125% to 300% of revenues to the 7% to 8% paid by Sirius and XM. Webcasters actually do want to pay (artists especially). But we also want fairness (and to stay in business). Support is needed now by CALLING your US Congress person.
Get your Congress person's name and contact info here: http://www3.capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/callalert/indet?alertid=9679516&type=TA
Say:
1. I am a constituent and I’m calling to ask Congressman/woman ________ to save Internet radio by co-sponsoring H.R. 2060, the Internet Radio Equality Act.
2. The Copyright Royalty Board’s decision to increase royalty rates for webcasters is going to turn off my Internet radio and I do NOT want that to happen. Please tell Congressman/woman ________ to co-sponsor H.R. 2060, the Internet Radio Equality Act.
3. I believe that artists should be fairly compensated for the music they make, but putting my webcasters out of business will only hurt artists more. They depend on Internet radio to get their music out to fans and build new audiences. When the webcasters go off the air, so do artists. Please co-sponsor H.R. 2060, the Internet Radio Equality Act.
4. Internet radio is one of the only bright spots for independent music and diversity. We NEED Internet radio. Don’t turn it off. Co-sponsor H.R. 2060, the Internet Radio Equality Act.
5. (If you are an artist) Internet radio enables artists like myself to reach fans throughout the country and enjoy exposure and airplay that we may otherwise have not received. I'm asking you to co-sponsor H.R. 2060, the Internet Radio Equality Act.
BTW, here's what the RIAA says about HR-2060:
http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/17320/
Bastards.
- joevill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42The RIAA needs to be abolished!
- mookieXL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+40(R)ich (I)diots (A)busing (A)rtists
- dyzlexiK, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41Dont say that, Jack Thompson will be on your ass. You only say that because you play video games.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38... the rule already passed
- naonao, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36And they wonder why we pirate...
- NeoCortex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35First off, I thought the RIAA was merely a coalition or lobbying platform consisting of several record companies. They aren't supposed to have any actual corporate control over anything. Secondly, if the RIAA wants to assume control over the royalty collection for all artists, regardless of what the artists decide, doesn't that sort of reek of the king of monopoly that big-business laws were made to counter? I don't understand why the RIAA is allowed to continue at all.
- Dafon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Indie band: Hey! Hey! You're taking our royalties!
RIAA: It are our royalties now. We run the royalty racket in this town.
Indie band: Hey, that's also our copyright!
RIAA: We also run the copyright racket. - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30So it does cover CC music as well, then? I've been wonder this as I run a all CC station. (Well technically all royalty free station that plays 90% CC music).
I'm thinking I should run the station and ignore these *****, and if they come knocking for royalties to sue them. - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34Oh yes I can see the headlines now "Moonbat American Hating Liberal Commie Musicians Trying to Steal the Food Out of the Mouths of RIAA Associates Children."
- MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30"If RIAA pulls this off, Microsoft will be demanding $$ for all Open Source work."
Isn't that what the deal with Novell is all about... - method9455, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27@ galaad - thats a good idea we need to split it up somehow though I looked and there are thousands of artists.
I think in this situation you need to be a copyright holder (like juxtapose with the CC license) and write a letter to them asking them to be removed from the system, that you would like to allow your music to be used on the radio free of royalities. See what their response is and post it here. Don't threaten actions just yet, just see if you get a response. If you don't get a response then start moving in that direction.
Notice how it doesn't cover "interactive" music such as myspace.com or purevolume.com where the person picks the song and can play, stop, or fast forward. So can internet radio just change format to a playlist, and multiple tracks linked from various places that you can play, stop, and fast forward? I think the distinction the RIAA is drawing is that radio is taking a bunch of songs and putting them together into one new piece of art, as opposed to leaving them all separate. There is a rather large legal loophole that someone needs to step through here. - bluechips23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Can't we have some legal powerful anti-RIAA organization which can kick them in their nuts?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27If they want royalties on all music, that sounds pretty close to authoritarian communism to me. If by some wild bizarre chance that this rule should pass, I'm leaving this country.
- MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24"It's called the EFF."
I am actually surprised the EFF hasn't stepped in on this one yet. - Stereotactic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26***** THE RIAA
- Systembomber, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27We need to hire some assassins to take them out.
- lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24I just emailed Foxnews about this. I have a glimmer of hope that if enough people email them about it they might actually do a segment on it.
- Acill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Everyone reading this needs to send a short email and the link to Fox News. If even 500 of us do it then they will run a short spot on it. I have seen it before.
i just sent it myself to this address: yourcomments@foxnews.com - odinfire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Hmmm... our newborn babies are missing...
- Xyl3ne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22It's called the EFF.
- TheOther1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20I also noticed this from the SoundExchange FAQ:
What royalties does SoundExchange NOT administer?
SoundExchange does NOT administer royalties for:
* Interactive performances of sound recordings (e.g. "on-demand" services that allow the listener to select the tracks they wish to listen to and/or the order in which they wish to hear them)
* The reproduction right for sound recordings, e.g. digital downloads. Licenses for interactive performances or reproduction of sound recordings must be obtained directly from the SRCO.
* Analog public performances (traditional radio and television)
Notice how they left themselves wide open to collect royalties on HD radio and HDTV. - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Did it ever occur to someone to just tell RIAA to ***** off when they called asking for thier royalties for nonmembers? Just because that is the way RIAA interprets it doesn't mean that's the way the judge will. And there is no way in hell that even if the judge did agree that that would stand through the entire appeals system. Of course I don't know why the indie labels don't grow a pair and go after RIAA for royalties that are rightfully theirs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19"And what exactly is SoundExchange doing with the money they have collected for those hundreds of labels that must have thousands of songs???"
Thats easy. That goes toward greasing members of congress to ensure the RIAA gets what it wants. - Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20@elcopy
You mean CNN Hollywood Gossip Network?
face it news channels have sucked for quite a while now. - WoollyMittens, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"What is needed is a single body that can legally act on behalf of indie members."
Dude! Do you realize what "Indie" stands for? *O.o* - beers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15we should have a world wide "***** the RIAA" day.
- ironbear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Oh, dear. Fixing the bad link in my post about phoning your Congress person about HR-2060, the Internet Radio Equality Act. You can get their contact info here:
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
This is the only way of rescuing internet radio, it's very important to call. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I love it. You people actually think the democrats are above reproach. Some of the most corrupt politician of all times have been democrats. Whatever, smoke you bong and believe what you will. Truth is ALL POLITICIANS are scum bags. If you think a democratically controlled one will be any better then you are just fooling yourself.
Digg me down clueless people. -
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