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- llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42I wish we could Bury the RIAA.
I found a Anti-RIAA Petition online. Makes you feel marginally better. Only like 700 signatures so far thou.
http://www.petitiononline.com/riaa/petition.html - retral, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39@digggsuxxx - You suck at life. I'm putting 5 dollars down on -200 diggs on his post if this story stays on the front page.
- fani, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26I'm betting more than -200 diggs.
He is a pro-RIAA guy *and* has a username - digggsuxxx !!! Double Whammy
You're hoping the RIAA win ? What kind of a moron are you - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28either sue us all or sue nobody, you *****
IF YOU STRIKE ME DOWN, TWO WILL RISE TO TAKE MY PLACE - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19RIAA business model:
1. Conduct illegal business practices to overcharge people for our product.
2. Threaten people who don't buy our product with a lawsuit and charge an amount just less than the cost of an attorney to avoid the suit.
3. Act like we are the ones being victimized. - Zuggy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18@digggsuxxx
Why would anyone be pro-RIAA? It screws over both ends, they limit freedom of what the consumer can do with music, down to destroying fair use, and they screw over artists by sucking their hard earned money.
If the RIAA were a McDonald's manager, they would tell the customer they couldn't eat their burger and force the employees to give them most of their paycheck. - Brooks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"discounted settlements" are illegal. it's blackmail. Google the RICO act, which, if i ever have to go to court, i will try to use to consider the RIAA involved in organized crime
- meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@Retral
Bury then ban, it's that easy man. Pay no attention to trolls. ;) - hijinks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14day 1?!?! i have a 7 year long running boycott of the RIAA
- mrmcbastard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12No one is guaranteed a certain amount of income. No one is guaranteed a job. So why should the US, by law, guarantee that the members of the RIAA should continue to have a job (and make millions) when what they do could be done by any guy with $5000 worth of recording equipment and some business sense could do out of his garage?
My proposition for "a single reasonable business model to replace what we have now" is that they go out of business. Music will still be made by artists. CDs and MP3s will still be made by recording studios. Bands will still be promoted by promoters. Radios will still play songs. All of the stuff that currently happens will still happen, EXCEPT the RIAA won't get to sue anybody and make millions of dollars! - jimrooney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12But wait! There's more!
If you act now, we'll throw in the second settlement for free! - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Yeah, I first looked at that and it screams extortion, doesn't it? "We won't take this to court if you pay us not to."
- otheruser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9i wonder how they'll recompensate... oh i know, they'll probably sue some more dead people, old ladies, 10 year olds, and parents.
go to hell riaa. we don't need your sympathy. the people you're suing today are the same people that will be in power in a few years, so please, keep suing!
you will always be hated. always. - Methodius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@Zuggy
He works for the RIAA, that's why. - vexter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@diggsux
Hes just a stupid teenager looking for attention. We better be nice to him or he will go columbine on us. - NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Thats just cause college kids don't have much money.
- dudemanbro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Thanks god it isn't my university on that list.
- emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7but they might just have enough to pay a little bit. It all fits in to the RIAAs "get rich quick while not having a clue how to conduct a real business" plan
- sputza, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@digggsuxxx,
You are a moron. Only those who are uneducated believe the RIAA is doing anything good for the consumer or the record industry. I do not purchase anything from a artist that is in anyway associated with the RIAA.
The RIAA has made me download my music illegally because I don't want to support their foolish ways. They are increasing piracy. Piracy has only gone up since their crusade started. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6College kids can't afford to defend themselves so the RIAA offers to sell them the ability to not be sued. No evidence, no trial, just the threat of a lawsuit. This is sick, particularly the fact that they prey on college kids. This is a personal attack and I think college students everywhere need to find a way to payback the RIAA for all their kindness.
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Thank goodness there's a special button, designed just for people like diggsuxxx. It looks like a circle with a line through it :)
- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I like how the recording industry got caught breaking the law to overcharge people for music, and when they got sued they had to pay $13 to each victim, but when YOU break the law you are expected to pay them $3000 for your wrongdoing. *****.
- meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't care if Myspace(or some other form) are as effective or not, personally. Most of the stuff that's really promoted by the record industry is crap these days. But 95% of what I buy is indie nowadays anyways. Pretty much the only big four labels music that I buy is new albums from bands that were around in the 80's and 90's.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Another good laugh provided by the RIAA.
- eV64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Although I'm against the RIAA, I'm not signing that thing. In my opinion, Gavyn Bard needs to take a middle school English class. I can't take something seriously that has three typos and misspellings in the first line. I'm sure many others feel the same way. Any other petitions worth putting my name on?
- jmnugent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5AirRaven said:
"....but if you can propose a single reasonable business model to replace what we have now, I'd *love* to hear it."
There IS NO (longer) any "business model"... thats the point. Technology has eliminated the middle man. The standard music industry model of having to sell your albums/music by going through the Recording Industry no longer is necessary. The technology now exists where an up and coming band can connect with their audience directly without having to negotiate with anyone. Yes, the wide and anonymous nature of the internet makes it so that anyone can download a bands music and the band might potentially "lose" a sale. But you know what, thats capitalism for you. If your band sucks.. you wont make any money. If your band is awesome.. you will. (by selling out live shows, merchandise,etc) If your music and "vibe" is unique.. I'll happily buy your album (even if I could download it) because I want to support you as a band. If your music and "vibe" sucks.. I wont.... As Morpheus said: "Welcome to the real world." - deadlogic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i'm with you. i haven't purchased riaa promoted music for at least 5 years. most of it is trite garbage anyway. there are a lot of independent labels out there that have received my cash though.
- Methodius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That's why the RIAA is banking on those same people being dumb enough to take the discounted settlement.
- Jeffmr1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@AirRaven
Well actually i can blame them. Downloading music doesn't hurt the record industry as much as they would like you to think. They do lose a lot of money from people burning CDs though, something that i can't honestly say i've never done. And seeing how an artist only gets about a buck from each cd, fifteen dollars is a huge rip-off. Not saying stealing music is right, but im not saying they're right either, considering that they're destroying people's lives for a little extra green. - GeneralFault, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow. I consider myself pretty PC, but dismissing a story for the [apt] use of the word gestapo is ridiculous. Who is it supposed to be offensive too? Germans? The RIAA (I hope so). I just don't get it.
- gmark13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I posted this story after you did (from Gizmodo also) and it didn't show as a dupe when I did it.
Not only that but it didn't even show that a similar story had been posted? - NetJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Calling copyright infringement stealing is misleading and inaccurate.
Stealing implies that there was a loss involved. The only loss that the RIAA can claim is a potential sale. How many actual sales do they lose to a college student that's downloading music?
If someone cannot afford a product they will borrow it from someone, or do without there is no loss to the RIAA or the artist. If they can't download music, they'll just go to the library and rip CDs from there, or do without. - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's all blackmail and extortion. These "discounted settlements" mean they take your money while threatening you with nothing real behind it. But people are too scared to stand up and say no.
Sounds a hell of a lot like organized crime to me. - Yashu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well that is exactly what they are doing. I have experience in situations like this and the general rule of thumb is to target the people that cannot afford to fight back either way. I am almost 100% positive that the RIAA is carefully (read: VERY CAREFULLY) cherry-picking their targets to make sure not to step on the son or daughter of a wealthy and/or powerful family name.
The "loophole" is that what they are doing very well could be illegal, but their targets won't have the resources to make a case. What makes the RIAA even more of a bunch of slimeball thugs is that they are literally using these poor kids as pawns in their game. They are not expecting huge settlements from these kids... they just want to send a message. I'll bet the "evidence" against these kids is pretty weak too, but again... they don't care since the point of this is not to stop some major piracy ring or collect huge settlements... but just to send a message... Does this remind anyone of the actions of those involved in organized crime? It should. ;) - Karmalary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm right in there. The only CDs I have bought in over 4 years were directly from the bands after I had seen them live.
- haggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The RIAA is a drowning man who, instead of trying to save himself, uses his last breath to shout legal threats at the kids who knocked over the "thin ice" sign while playing hockey.
- TheTap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hmmmm . . . . . .
I think I'll go on a.b.s.m. and download another boatload of mp3's. That always makes me feel better after reading these stories.
buy-dot-com has a 500gb drive for $145.00 so space won't be a problem!! - wired4u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"The theft of music remains unacceptably high" ok so what is an acceptable number?
- GreyICE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3News flash (to the RIAA, at least): Record labels aren't as effective as Record labels used to be at promoting new bands. There's been an utter explosion of blogs, personal pages, webcomics (Questionable Content, for instance) and other sites that have such things as 'listening lists' 'recommendations' and other things that people use to determine what they listen to. Its all networking. Record Label promotions can get Radio stations playing or talking about a band (which less and less people are listening too), can get music stores to place a band prominently (while more and more sales occur over the net), can place ads (which more and more people ignore), can get papers to review an album (and who even reads that stuff). Fact is, the RIAA's old buisiness model is dead. They can't deal with it, so they're trying to sue the new one out of existence. A good new model would be for individual bands to market their music directly to the consumer. Bet you more people heard about "The Faint" through the fact that their music video was Dugg a few days ago (and, perhaps more importantly, got a lot more positive impression) than through whatever marketing the RIAA has been doing for them.
- masona3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If the RIAA ever tries to sue me, I'm going to FedEx them a paper tube, a hamster, and a jar of Vaseline along with an illustrated set of instructions on the various possible uses of such props.
- billyb93, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It looks like these discounts might have something to do with enticing people to stop challenging their lawsuits. After a few major setbacks, the RIAA seems to favor a smaller settlement than possibly losing whatever legal ground on which they currently stand.
- GeneralFault, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Then it is time for the DA to get involved.
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The alternative is that the RIAA is dismantled and put out of business. That's what needs to happen. They no longer have any validity and are doing nothing but robbing innocent people and extorting kids to they can stay afloat. They need to be boarded up. Artists don't need their services anymore to promote themselves.
- dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Careful, IIRC the hydra was eventually killed with fire, and I wouldn't put that past the RIAA.
- hobgobbler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why only a month-long boycott? I'm never buying an RIAA cd again.
There needs to be some way to 'tip' the band after you steal one of their albums though. I'm sure some kind of system can be put in place that would allow people to give money directly to the bands when the moment strikes. Somebody get to work on that. - GeneralFault, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you are in college and are working toward a carreer in music, or music electronics, change course today! Like fire, the RIAA needs 3 things to burn. 1. Customers, 2. Something to sell, 3. Talent. Without one, the other two are useless. There are better things to do with your life than to feed the RIAA and without talent, the RIAA is going to die.
- GeneralFault, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Building wheels for horse buggies isn't exactly big business these days. But since the death of the buggy wheel industry did not result in an organized crime response to those that drove cars, I don't think I would have activly promoted the end of the industry like I do for the RIAA.
I think it needs to be said (again) that the music that the RIAA sells is more than just a product. It is culture. It is a big part of the shape of western society. The RIAA is claiming ownership and the right to future ownership of our culture. Regardless of the legal issues, this is just wrong and damaging to society and should be opposed. - carloto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2digggsuxxxx = fake user
- GeneralFault, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"why the hell would you be on digg with the name ".xxx." [I won't advertise for trolls] ?"
That is what you call a clear sign of a troll. Nothing more. Why waste time reading and replying to it? I read the posts and reply to people that have different opinions and do not ban them no matter how much I disagree unless the user is
1. Racist,
2. Bigot,
3. Troll (does not believe what they say or does not care about the subject but says something inflamitory just to get a big number proceeded by a "-" and get lots of people to repeat it's name).
I would say "4. really really stupid"; but If your that stupid and you are posting something here, you are really just a type of troll. - Uranium118, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For only 750 payments of $6.66, yes! only 750 payments of $6.66 but call now, it's for a limited time only.*
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