What is Digg?173 Comments
- kajsng, on 10/12/2007, -2/+85Obviously $150000 isn't the actual cost, that's what this article is making fun of - the RIAA have been getting people to settle because they've been allowed to threaten to sue for insane figures. If half of these people were willing to go to court over it, the RIAA would lose hundreds of cases, but people can't go to court because of the high cost of the legal system. The RIAA is extorting money from people - they intimidate them with the threat of a 500 million lawsuit if they don't settle for $10,000. Most people pay up right away, and those who go to a lawyer to get advice are told that it'd cost them significantly more than $10,000 to fight it and they'll have to cover it even if they win, so they have no choice but to pay.
- shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Exactly. And RIAA's entire lawsuit structure is based around that silly idea.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34Here they go again, throwing around these completely arbitrary figures. I think this falls under the category of "fuzzy math".
To me, my balls are worth more than the GDP of the entire globe. What's their point? - umrgregg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Think of how much money the industry would save if they stopped paying for membership in the RIAA.
- rewritable, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30So they think that if we couldn't steal music that we would buy more? I dont buy or steal anymore since I have all the music I ever want to hear now. None and I mean NONE of the new music interests me at all. SO unless CCR or Led Zepplin start recording new music the industry will never se a dime from me. I dont listen to the radio, I dont even have a radio in my truck. I have a little 500MHz AMD system in my glove box and a touch screen mounted on my dash and all the music I will ever want to listen to. So this whole PIRACY COST US SO MUCH $$ argument is false. THey need to get a different hobby.
- retral, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27Vast overestimate. Just because someone downloads something doesn't mean they'd otherwise buy it.
- MattL920, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24and we mock them? that sounds pretty good to me ;)
- lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -12/+29Must...resist...urge...to...mock French.
- umrgregg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Well, because of America's efforts in the last century the French can continue to speak French. Sprechen sie Deutsch? Ein bisschen?
Debt settled? Most likely. - vuzman, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25Did you know that the French fought in the American War of Independence, and if it hadn't been for their involvement, the war would most likely have been lost to the british? The treaty that recognized the American independence was even signed in Paris. The Statue of Liberty is a recognition of this friendship.
You Americans owe a lot to the French. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14DaMacGamer - What branch of the government does the RIAA operate under? (Where can I get what you smoke?)
That's a cute excel bar graph though. - Tonye5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@Flasman;
So how come it's never been a problem to record music from your FM radio all these years? Does that also lead to a stupid "walking out the store analogy" ? 128K mp3's are not that much better quality than what you get from a good
FM radio. - lightyear4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12this "donnysblog.com" has some quite interesting traits.
It:
a) has been registered for 24 hours
b) contains only this one posting
very interesting. - XTrek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Of course the RIAA is claiming that when you use Bit Torrent you are a trafficker.
- lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Don't act all high and mighty, the French only helped us because we were the enemy of their enemy. The same isn't true for WWII because we stopped the Nazi regime from spreading all over Europe because we recognized it would eventually be a direct threat to the US. Anyone remember the Zimmerman note?
Mocking the French is done in much the same spirit as red states mock blue states here in the States. Blue states mock the red states right back and we all have a good time with it. Why can't people who are offended by French mocking understand that? As if 90% of France doesn't mock Parisians, and the inverse is true as well.
I think the key to understanding this is that people don't really mock a culture, per se. They are mocking the stereotype of that culture, that many people within that culture mock as well.
I find this discussion great since on That 70's Show last night Red said that he didn't want to have the Dubois family moving in to their old house because they would surrender the house to the first German that knocks on the door (which would be very likely since they live in Wisconsin). - AeonTorpor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@flash
Walking out of a store with a DVD is taking a physical object from their store. You end up hurting the people who produced the case for that, the DVD material, all the printing, and foremost, the store itself because they actually had overhead, they had to pay for that in order to sell it. Instead you stole it, which means they have to buy another one to replace that.
Online, it's all 0s and 1s, there is no theft of goods, only copies. Now is an example of "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" because downloaded or not, the person who originally had the file still does. Technically nobody loses money. To argue that you WOULD have bought it implies that you can read minds.
Think about this, 5 times the GDP of France, oh yeah, I'm SURE that everyone would have bought that much worth of Reba McKintire CDs and King Kong Special Edition DVDs. The theft debate has been going on forever, and the only reason why it flies is because people are either scared, or don't know how to fight back, so they just pay. And that shouldn't be happening. - MuffinMan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14No, we mock them for berets, silly mustaches and unshaved armpits.
The other stuff we M$; meaning we make our own version of it and advertise it as such:
- Instead of wine we drink beer all day
- and instead of making love to our women all day, we have.... um, the multibillion dollar porn industry. - aniseed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8So are Americans, so there you go.
- Dannychico, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Anti-French sentiment is xenophobic, pigheaded, and - worst of all - cliched.
- shoover, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Cost of piracy (from article):
$11,440,939,650,000
GDP of the US (from http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-06,GGLD:en&q=GDP of United States ):
$11,750,000,000,000
Facts > you. - Catachresis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@skyshock:
you're missing the point. this article is not showing a factual analysis of the cost of piracy, it is lampooning the ridiculous fact that the RIAA are allowed to threaten people with such figures.
a lot of digg seems to have had a sense of humour bypass recently. - wolkengrau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually the return of the debt was done in WWI, when the US sent about 1.000.000 in soldiers to the west front, but there was no plan to replace the language. The plan of Germany was to weaken France and bind them as a trading partner loosening their connections with Great Britain. (Frankly said, afaik there was no such plan in WWII as well. I mean the French partly even collaborated.)
In WWII the USA had their very own interests as montgomery already pointed out. - Fictitious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5 digg for Robocop reference!
- MuffinMan, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16Wiisistence is futile.
- marillion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7osbjmg: I don't think DaMacGamer that far off base. Of course they're not legally a government agency, but as government and big business develop tighter and interdependent relationships, they become de facto agencies of government.
I'd have to speculate the RIAA is trying to become an agency of the Justice Department which is part of the Executive Branch. A close second would be an agency of the Library of Congress which has the Copyright Office as part of it's portfolio. The LOC is one of the few agencies in the US government that is part of the Legislative Branch. - Zjm7891, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Or haven't bought it already!
I have downloaded a number of songs... That I had bought through a music store... when POOF goes my harddrive! I then redownloaded the songs!
Also, I have had to redownload the Windows Install disks because people lose theirs! - FreakTrap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actual cost to the music industry @ $0.99/song...
~$75,510,201.69
... That is, assuming, that all of the downloads were not free torrents; as well, that they were only downloaded once per/person. - dbug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sueing people for their money is obviously the new business model of the music industry.
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@vuzman
Lithuania? Also, I don't think anyone is discounting the French's help in our "Insurrection" nor are they saying we won WWII by ourselves. However, in proportion, what we did to drive the Germans out of France compared with what the French did to help us pretty much suggests that that debt has been paid.
That said, that debt being paid doesn't mean we shouldn't have a continued good relationship and be ready to help eachother out in a time of need. With friends it's not about who owes who. - vuzman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I'm not French (not German either). And I believe it's called World War, not USA vs Former Axis of Evil. You seem to be forgetting that other countries were involved as well; other countries whose involvement and sacrifice was greater than that of the USA.
If you want to know where I'm from I can tell you that I come from a nation that was not involved in WWII (as a party of war) and yet bore the greatest number of civilian casualties (relative to the population). - marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I wonder if he pirated Excel to produce the graph...
Digg for Java ref. tho. - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Lightyear
"this "donnysblog.com" has some quite interesting traits.
It:
a) has been registered for 24 hours
b) contains only this one posting
very interesting."
This is also the poster's only digg, submission and commented article.
I smell a groundhog. - nmap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3plus other torrents of course, minus people who would never buy anyway, but that's probably a decent estimate.
- datagod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I guess then that these would be worth billions, if they were not free that is:
http://readthetruth.com/bm - fartingbob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Seems to me the americans have got it all wrong then!
And im surprised they didnt say "There is an umlimited fine on recording a movie from the cinema, and since this 1 person did, that means he cost the industry $400,000,000,000, because thats how much we feel it was worth."
Bull. - m99stump, on 07/29/2008, -0/+3That is assuming their usually ***** content is worth the price they put for it - which its not.
- alanspach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Is there a list of the RIAA bands someone can make so i know who to boycott with there contant crap
- lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They aren't different, my point was to argue against who owes who because we both did it for our own self-interests.
- umrgregg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Most public libraries carry music CD. By popular artists even.
- mpancha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow... going by that logic, one month of my time is worth more than the GDP of the Universe. Someone needs to give the RIAA a swift kick in the arse.
- FreakTrap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Better link:
http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp
And good luck with the Boycott; "RIAA members create, manufacture and/or distribute approximately 90% of all legitimate sound recordings produced and sold in the United States." - Nick42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Better than a list, there's a search engine.
http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/ - RyGiL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So if everyone downloading from the Pirate Bay was busted today and brought up on a month's worth of charges of infringement for each download, the RIAA would singlehandly be able to pay off the entire US national debt. Hell, after 3 months of this, we could just buy all the countries that don't like us instead of going to war with them!
- WiteNoiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Most people I know download music they would never otherwise have bought.
Also (call me a pedant if you will), but "cost to the music industry"?... Isn't it more "loss of earnings"? - which is a big difference in my eyes - cmost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The RIAA is completely out of its collective mind! They're running around, throwing lawsuits at children and oblivious parents over something THEY brought upon themselves. They're acting like a sore loser. Sorry guys, the toothepaste is out of the tube. Get over it already. Face the fact that the days of selling overpriced albums containing one or two good singles along with ten other worthless tracks, and charging a premium, are over! Users can, and will, continue to take only songs they want and for free if necessary in the absence of viable alternatives.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Legitimate sound recordings" What a load of bull. From the ages 14-17 I wrote MOD music composed almost entirely of sounds sampled from commercial CDs and other MOD songs. I composed over 2 hours of original music and I give it away for free.
http://slyppy.zapto.org//mods.html
***** the RIAA for telling me that's not legitimate. They don't participate in culture, they deal in product. I say if you sell your music you put a price on your own soul. All it takes to be a sellout is to sell.
http://demodulated.blogspot.com/2006/04/i-get-played-celine-gets-paid.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow! This shows what a rip off itunes truly is. 33 Cents for a track, possbily using a better compression method than aac, and with no DRM encumberment? Someone needs to expose itunes for what it really is instead of constantly wrapping it up as the uber-cool fluffy bunny saviour of the music industry and fair "half way house" of music downloads.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When you think about it, this makes complete sense, if it actually made any sense.
RIAA is saying that, in reality, if it weren't for those pesky downloaders, they would actually own more money than the entire world combined.
And it really makes you think, hm... - moisie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The stupid thing with the RIAA and similar organisations is that they work out all these statistics on the basis that all downloads are at the expense of a legitimate sale and they don't even begin to factor in downloads which then lead to legitimate sales which they wouldn't have had before. Because they come up with such ridiculous figures people don't take them seriously and have little to no sympathy for them.
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2True, but again the larger fallacy is believing that every download results in a lost sale.
-
Show 51 - 100 of 170 discussions
Check out the new & improved 
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is