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- stasterisk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I'm really uncomfortable with giving them my last.fm access info
- RadicalBender, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I heard about this last week. It is pretty nifty. The developer posted a thread on last.fm. The password does indeed get sent in plaintext, so use at your own risk (or change the password after you're done, or whatever, I'm not especially concerned about someone using my UN/PW to listen to music for me). He also makes the files available for download if you want to do it that way as well.
Here's the thread:
http://www.last.fm/forum/21716/_/85844/1 - jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yeah, I thought about that after I logged in. Hopefully they won't spam my account with Elton John.
- domokunt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think the difference with pandora is they classify music very academicly, where as last.fm sorts music by social bookmarking of sorts, if you use a plugin and let it monitor your tastes for a few weeks or months it gives you friends with very similar tastes in music, and all their listened too stuff. If you click on an artist name you can listen to clips of songs. anyway, if you use it for a few weeks with a plugin its got alot more depth imo.
- domokunt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ive tried pandora, and apart from hating the interface, i didnt find it good at finding anything but popular artists, last.fm is better in that respect. Then ill find an artist and do a web search or myspace search.
- Rotkiv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've found a ton of new stuff on last.fm from people recomending things, It's awesome.
- mtrip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Pandora uses the 'pattern' of the music you like to find new music (tempo, instruments, vocals, etc), while last.fm uses what you actually listen to.
Finding new music I liked used to be such a hassle back in the old days of radio, MTV, and just browsing CD stores. Both of these services are incredible. - Real-ity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Correct, that's a valid way to look at it. However, the way I looked at it when I made it was that Pandora is a music client like any other. I made it so if you don't like the song you can skip it and it won't submit to Last.FM, just like if you were playing music with winamp or iTunes. I felt that data of what you are chosing to listen to via that client should be a part of my Last.FM profile like everywhere else.
-Gabe
Real-ity.com - SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3on the contrary, the description is pretty acurate. everything said applied to the page in question.... with the exception of a clone of the player running on their server (which i'd question only based on the size of the pandora library)
btw, on another note. this doesnt work in IE7 but does work in Bon Echo. - hodgesg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have to agree, prior to finding Pandora I had a very narrow selection of music. Now I have all kinds of music that I most certainly would have never heard, let alone purchased.
SO for introducing me to artist I've never hear before and for ease of use in work, Pandora shades Last.fm - particularly as you don't have to download anything to use it. - DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Last.fm is ok - I've discovered some cool new stuff there, but not nearly as much so as on Pandora.
- davestar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i appreciate what pandora is trying to accomplish - identifying the underlying characteristics of songs you like and then introducing you to other songs that share those characteristics. however, the characteristics aren't granular enough to really get the job done.
for example, i picked a metal song to act as the "seed" for my pandora station. one of the descriptors that pandora used for the song was "harsh male vocals." unfortunately, pandora's descriptors for metal vocalists are so limited that the term "harsh male vocals" covers almost all modern metal vocalists - many of which i despise. the effort required to properly classify all genres of music is mindboggling - i think pandora bit off more than they can chew. - DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I do like Launchcast for that reason. I usually find music on Last.fm or Pandora, then plug them Yahoo! LC. And sometimes, it's the other way around.
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does last.fm or pandora support a tiered song ranking system? I don't find systems that use "I like it" or "I hate it" to be useful. There are some songs I only want to hear once every three months and other songs I could listen to every day.
That's why I'm still sticking with Yahoo Launchcast. I can rank songs on a scale of 0 to 100. Those that are ranked higher, are played more often. - eruin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This gets a digg for the fact that it introduced me to pandora.
I find it a great supplement to my last.fm account! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"I'm not especially concerned about someone using my UN/PW to listen to music for me)"
The whole point of last.fm is to suggest music that you would like based on what YOU have listened to. So allowing anyone access to your account is going to make last.fm inaccurate. - e03179, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Pandora already allows you to export your stations and favorite songs onto your website or blog:
http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/archives/2006/03/pandora_sidebar.html
FYI: Pandora allows you to discover music you like by it automatically playing songs and artists that are similar to your tastes. For instance, you can easily create a station called "Chemical Brothers" and Pandora will stream music related to the Chemical Brothers (including the Chemical Brothers). - Rotkiv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm happy with last.fm, but I'll check out pandora and figure out what i'm missing.
- euphoria, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I really enjoy this mash-up. Pandora has a much better radio spin than last.fm, but I want to keep tracking my listening habits with audioscrobbler. This is the best of both worlds. If the interface were a little nicer and the password protected via javascript or something instead of sent plaintext, this would be perfect.
- xamox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Last.fm requires install, which I hate installing things that don't need to be. Pandora is much lighter. Pandora has also found way better music in genres for me than last.fm has. I ran with last.fm for about a week and canned it. It's nice that it auto-tags but if I already have the mp3 I don't really need to tag it. You can't go wrong with Neural Nets, web 3.0, beyond tagging. The biggest problem with tagging is that not everyone tags things the same way. For example this article is under music, but it very well could be under: web2.0, technology, etc.
- porkmonkeys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does this also create a pandora station based on your last.fm stats? like my most listen to artists?
- deusdiabolus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's pretty cool...the last time I tried it, though, it wasn't working. Could have been something I had enabled that was blocking it...dunno. But it's a great idea, and it has definitely turned me on to a couple of new things...the fact that the playlist goes straight to last.fm is a bonus.
- Daniel591992, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes they do. But I think that if you are a subscriber, there is no such limit. :)
(Next time use the reply link) - Diggnorant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gabe: Fair enough, however, I believe Pandora limits the number of songs that you can skip in an hour (in order to comply with streaming music license rules),
- ahoier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1no it doesn't....but, that is a neat idea ;) Though, I don't know how possible that would be. I mean, you are "logging in" to last.fm through that site, I dont know what kind of coding it would take, to add your "Top X Artists - Overall" to a pandora station, automatically, behind the scenes though. sounds nifty tho, if possible ;)
- shackbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The mash-up has gotten me to really use Pandora. I liked it but wanted the songs to go to Last.fm so I could keep track of my personal charts. Now I can do that.
- ahoier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1those worried about passwords getting seen by other eyes, just change your password after your session.
Use something like KeePass or password safe to generate and manage your passwords. - Diggnorant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it just seems *wrong*... the big strength of last.fm is that they've figured out how to *implicity* measure what you like by watching what you are playing.. since I just put on the song 'december' by weezer, last.fm can infer that I must like it (at least a little bit) and bump up my preference score. Now what this mashup is doing is feeding last.fm with what Pandora plays not what I play. After doing this for a while last.fm will have learned what Pandora's preferences are and not mine. Imagine if every last.fm user was doing this, eventually last.fm's social recommender would have learned what Pandora prefers and will have morphed into yet another Pandora ...
- dpkp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Very true, although you still are choosing what Pandora "station" to listen to. If the music Pandora sends your way isn't what you like, you'll turn it off and find something else to listen to....
- dpkp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The last.fm player is GPL'd:
app:
http://www.last.fm/help/player/
code:
svn://svn.audioscrobbler.net/player/trunk
Unlike other "streaming mp3 player[s]," the last.fm player connects to several separate streams simultaneously (audio / metadata / control). - six6to8eight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1dupe -- I submitted this 5 days ago:
http://digg.com/music/Submit_Pandora_Listening_Info_to_Last.fm_in_Real-Time - tablatronix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is whats sad about Digg articles. Article titles that either use sensational lures or non descriptive titles.
You have these services that many people possibly dont even know exist yet alone what they are.
Yet Articles are posted about them with a title that pretty much ensures that only people that know what they are will bother reading, or the very curious will click to attempt to learn what they are as they read.
But im pretty sure its lost on anyone that passes by it and mentally notes "wtf is pandora,wtf is last.fm" dont know, skip.
Slashdot suffers the same problems, but it allows hyperlinks in the acticle description which sometimes help define what the article relates to for those interested in learning. - DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Odd - I started a station on Pandora based on the song "I'm So Bored With the U.S.A." by The Clash, and it's churned up a lot of good indie stuff for me.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Pandora is for listening to music. Last.fm is for tagging music.
Why anyone would want to tag music is beyond me. Most things don't need to be tagged. However, just like pastels, rounded corners and AJAX -- you have to cram tagging in somehow if you want to be "Web 2.0". - foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1agreed. i'm trying out last.fm. i'm a little iffy about the winamp plugin. i don't know if i want everybody knowing what i play in winamp. although, the plugin seems to need the music library which needs admin privs; and, because i don't login as admin, i shouldn't have anything to worry about. i guess if i feel like "using" last.fm, then i can just run as admin.
last.fm is VERY web 2.0. the site seems to use ajax, and the player integrates well with other programs and the web. not to mention, the sound is superb. just like real rhapsody which is just like cd or, at least, aac audio. - riadlem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Any big user of last.fm willing to tell how the MusicStrands instant recommendations perform based on your last.fm username (no password required)
http://digg.com/music/Last.fm_users_can_get_music_recommendations_from_MusicStrands - Monkeman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1In the email you recieve after registering, yes.
- nathanchase, on 05/06/2009, -2/+2I love commenters on Digg that can't decide when to use whose or who's.
- riadlem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You are right, unless you know what Pandora and Last.fm are, the description is not that helpful!
- reaver, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This is pretty cool, trying it out now.
- foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1wtf? last.fm allows others to view your un AND pw?
- bigteebo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Their last.fm player has got to be the sorriest exucse for a proprietary streaming mp3 player ever made.
- AwesomeMonster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Not really, I've been using it for all sorts of undeground and indie bands and they have most of them, especialy in thier post rock section. Ever think maybe what your listeing to soudns like mainstream music...
- Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I love articles on Digg who's descriptions give absolutely no clue what they are talking about.
- raid17, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0At last, now I can play LastFM on my Xbox!
GJ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4I have to agree with that though. I'm actually getting more nervous about mash-ups that require information about other services stored on their service. Sounds like we need to start looking at some consolidated data stores...but not Passport please.
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http://www.shoutcentral.com - TransmitThis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Trouble I find is I hear of Artists that are not available on Torrent
so have to go and buy the cd instead
Did I just say that!..Oops - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2No doubt. Sorry dudes...it's not happening.
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