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- rig0rmortis, on 04/22/2009, -10/+124I think we all know the real problem here was that he was trying to download/buy a Dave Matthews Band album.
- floppytaco, on 04/22/2009, -1/+93So let me get this straight. A potential customer tried to purchase a Warner Music product through a legitimate online source and when he complained that it wasn't available they insulted him? Holy ***** burgers are they trying to kill themselves at this point!? I think I will go ahead and write up a detailed blog on how to download free music then since that is what they are telling this guy to do.
RIAA: ***** 'em. ***** 'em right in the ass. - inactive, on 04/22/2009, -0/+54Thankfully, we have Twitter to catalog and broadcast the squabbles of children everywhere.
- MCA2142, on 04/22/2009, -0/+50Some customer appreciation...
- kdnmedia, on 04/22/2009, -3/+45Employees in the steel industry use to be pretty angry when their factory is about to shut down. I can see the frustration they might have, but that does not mean that the world cant go forward. The same rules apply for the entertainment industry.
- darkism, on 04/22/2009, -1/+37Tweets in question:
Original: http://twitter.com/evensr/status/1586100825
Response: http://twitter.com/Teryeah/status/1586364015
also ***** big content. - DirtyWorker, on 04/22/2009, -0/+27evensr: Pissed now! iTunes Music Pass for Dave Matthews Band's new record is only available in the USA. Typical! Don't complain about piracy.
Teryeah: Then you should just steal it, and brag about the process on your brat blog afterwards. We don't want you to be mad now do we. - borez, on 04/22/2009, -0/+26If the majors really are trying their best to get us to hate them out of existence, then they're doing a fine job of it so far.
- Zera, on 04/22/2009, -2/+21Yep, and when the children work for incompetent media companies, and actually insults customers, and tells them to pirate content, you get pure win.
- DirtyWorker, on 04/22/2009, -2/+21The words "Forward" and "Entertainment Industry" don't belong in the same sentence. Until the corporations starts hiring people who are capable of using all these hacker pirate thingamajigs, nothing will ever happen. They will continue doing the same stupid things over and over again. Never learning. Sad really.
- rawnzilla, on 04/22/2009, -2/+20***** Time Warner.
- Stingwolf, on 04/22/2009, -1/+17Yeah. Probably comes from the same great minds who thought of suing their customer base as a viable business model.
- abrenna, on 04/22/2009, -1/+16Sometimes ***** needs a fan.
- Retrodigg123, on 04/22/2009, -1/+16RIAA are ***** rats
- tornsuits, on 04/22/2009, -1/+15Mirrors:
http://thomasmoen.no/?p=13
http://www.arnsteinlarsen.no/2009/04/norwegian-war ...
http://snever.net/norwegian-warner-music-calls-blo ... - matsbs, on 05/19/2009, -2/+15Quick translation of the tweets!
Original:
http://twitter.com/evensr/status/1586100825
"Pissed of now! iTunes Music Pass for Dave Matthews Bands new CD is ONLY available in the US. Typical! Don't complain about piracy."
Response from Time Warner employee:
http://twitter.com/Teryeah/status/1586364015
"I then think you should steal the CD and then brag about the process on your ***** "brat" blog. We don't want you to be angry" - zapperen, on 04/22/2009, -0/+13Mad because Norwegians with a norwegian Itunes account can't access the same things as people with US itunes account, when he complained he got an answer from executive over at Warner Norway with him calling him a complaining brat!
- codyman, on 04/22/2009, -6/+18He should feel lucky he can't get a Dave Matthew Band album... I wish that was the same situation here stateside in an effort to clean up noise pollution
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -1/+12Calling the RIAA a bunch of jackasses is an insult to hard working jackasses everywhere.
- Landragoran, on 04/22/2009, -2/+13is it just me, or has that website already been claimed by the digg effect?
anyone have a mirror? - Phasmorphage, on 04/22/2009, -0/+9he should be thankful that iTunes didn't let him
- gamerbambi, on 04/22/2009, -3/+12I do not understand why these record labels are not friendly with us when we say "I buy your music, but I like to download it 2 weeks before it is released." Let's face it, we will always win the war on illegal downloads. These greedy punks should at least take consideration when a few of us say that we do buy downloads and download illegally every now and then.
- Headinawheel, on 04/22/2009, -2/+11Wow. ***** Warner Music and ***** THE RIAA.
- Plomma, on 04/22/2009, -0/+9Terje Pedersen, the employee in question, is indeed responsible for the Norwegian branch of Warner.
The blogger's complaint is a valid one. As a paying customer it is frustrating to have to wait for months until media is legally available in the rest of the world outside the US.
We sometimes have to wait for 3 - 6 months to get something after it comes out in the US. Not to mention the fact that the US also has alot of free options like Hulu and other online streaming sites.
When he says they shouldn't complain about piracy, I agree. If they worked on it, I'm sure they could find a way to get the media available to everyone within days, but they want to milk each marked as much as they can.
I'm going to see the documentary Man on Wire in a few days, it's only now coming to Norway. I could have downloaded it months ago, and I should have.. - bjorshol, on 04/22/2009, -0/+8Terje Pedersen from Warner Music has now posted a very long apology to the blogger. Talking about the same old ***** as they always do. Here is a google translate if you are interrested:
The clock 19.30 in the evening I read the following on twitter.com from # evensr (Even Sandvold): Cursed, now! iTunes Music Pass, Dave Matthews Band new disc is only available in the USA. Typical! Not complaining of piracy. Some minutes later I let out the following response: Then I think you should steal it, so you can boast of the process on the brat blog afterwards. Would not that you should be angry.
That I should never done, and even if the damage is irreparable, so I'd like to apologize for having written such a flåsete Sleng remark, instead of taking him seriously. As another twitrer had told me, so I find me, after all, on turf.
The thing is that now, about three hours later, as it is created blogs, groups and own tags where both Warner and I made ridiculous. It has exploded, and I have one hundred new (u) friends on Twitter. Yes, this is a powerful medium, and tells me in a very clear way that we should be careful what we say in the public domain.
The debate about illegal file sharing has been, and remains, a sensitive topic with many people, and I as a representative of the music industry feel that the (as all other security) of course that it has been established some truths about us that are working closely with this in daily, but that does not have roots in reality. As Kjell Inge Røkke (without comparison in general) said before today, so can some statements, even if they are completely wrong, to be established truths only you say them many times NOK., And so I feel NOK, and others in our industry, it has been in this debate. I will therefore take this opportunity, to try to clarify some of the "truths" I feel have been unjustly established:
There is no music that are opponents of the new technology, nor file sharing technology. One must remember that it was not Warner invented fonografen or cassette player, but that we only have been a middleman that takes talent, developing talent, recording music, markets, distributes and sells music. And we would like to sell our music on all kinds of platforms, players or devices that can play music. But we want people to pay for the music we have produced.
At the change from old to new model takes time, is simply deplorable, but it is not so that this can be changed overnight. Only in Warner are 60 years of music, thousands of artists and contracts from many countries. And people must understand that the legal scope of this are quite enormous large, complex and very time consuming. I understand that the illegal fileshares occurs, and I look at the technological developments of our time takes place extremely quickly, but I still think we should try to find solutions to ensure that they have created, produced, and "owns" the content of these files, to somehow get paid for it. And I aim primarily to artists, composers and text writers, there are those that must be ensured that we continue to have a rich diversity in the cultural sector. The debate should not be about the record companies, IFPI or Fono. The future will show what kind of models that will be applicable.
Is to create a disc is also a lot of money, and the entire process, including even more people, who also is concerned about copyright and to get paid. Music Producers, musicians, tekstforfattere, composers, photographers, writers, art directors etc are all part of a natural plateproduksjon, and all of them expect that their intellectual property is protected by the applicable laws. If you do not want to talk about pay-per-copy when it comes to music, then you have to at least talk about who will pay for the first example, which is actually quite expensive to produce.
It is possible that copyright law must be changed, it should not I begin to elaborate on here, but what I think is important to understand, is that you can not see the Internet as a society, entirely exempt from rules that the rest of society must relate to, I think is just too narrow. We are now probably in the Stone Age of the Internet age, if we may call it, and I think the changes going to happen even faster than what's happened now. Internet offers many extreme challenges that involve and include the vast majority of us, one way or another plan, and it is therefore important that we meet each other on a form level, and do not do as I did tonight, namely to call a representative for the counterparty, for a brat. I have been teaching me in the evening.
Best regards Terje Pedersen - eklem, on 04/22/2009, -0/+8He just appologised on Even's blog: http://snever.net/pirater-er-drittunger#IDComment1 ...
But as he says: "The damage is done". I guess he now has quite a group of new "friends" on Twitter following every move he makes =) - evensr, on 04/22/2009, -0/+8That’s right, I’m not allowed to buy the pass cause I’m not in the US. For complaining about not being allowed to buy, I was called a sh*tbag by one of the managers at Warner Music Norway.
- Maddoktor2, on 04/22/2009, -2/+10Solution:
Boycott Warner Music.
Any questions? - evensr, on 04/22/2009, -0/+7We’re working on a mirror right now. Please be patient :)
Even. - ThatsNotPudding, on 04/22/2009, -2/+9If you're buying ANYTHING made by ANYONE listed in Red on www.riaaradar.com, you're just feeding the beast. The correct response to their actions and the rulings from corrupt judges is not hacking their websites (again, giving them power), but to never buy any of their crap ever again. Punish them and the stupid musicians willing to be the RIAA's bitch by not giving them one penny NOR even bothering to pirate their trash!
- DarkerMaster, on 04/23/2009, -0/+7isnt that written consent to download it and then brag about it?
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -0/+7What kind?
- stonebone4, on 04/22/2009, -2/+8OH NO THEY DIH-N'T!!!!!
- zbegra, on 04/22/2009, -0/+6Brat is actually a very soft translation. The direct translation of "drittunge" would be *****-kid
- nwogoldberg99, on 04/22/2009, -0/+6I downloaded your mom's last night.
- covertbadger, on 04/22/2009, -1/+7I think banging his mom is hilarious. Especially when I'm done and recreate that Hancock scene with the whale to get some space in the bed.
- serif69, on 04/22/2009, -5/+11I love brats. Especially grilled with some good mustard and a nice cold beer.
- kdnmedia, on 04/22/2009, -0/+5The album is available in the US version of iTunes, but not the Norwegian version. The guy wrote a twitter update stating that he is pissed that he was not able to buy the album even tho he had the cash.
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -4/+9In other news, today I ate a sandwich.
- grish, on 04/22/2009, -1/+6This is my translation of the comment that the Warner executive left on Even Sandvolds blog. It was done in a hurry, so please correct me if there are spelling errors or misinterpreted sentences (Words that I've been unsure about how to spell are marked with (SP?):
At 7:30PM tonigh i read the following on twitter from from #evensr (Even Sandvold): ["]Pissed now! iTunes Music Pass for Dave Mathew Bands' new record is only availble in the US. Typical! Don't complain about piracy.["] A few minutes later I posted the following answer: ["]Then I think you should steal it, so you can brag about the process in your brat blog afterwards. As you know we don't want you to be angry.["]
I should never have done that, even if the damage is irreplaceable, so I would like to apologize for writing such a ridiculous comment, instead of taking him serious. As another twitterer has told me, I'm on foreign ground.
The case is that now, aproximately three hours later, blogs, groups and tags where both Warner and I are ridiculed, have been created. It has exploded, and I've got hundrer new "non"-friends on Twitter. Yes, this is a powerful medium, and clearly tells that one should be careful about what one says in the public space.
The debate about piracy has, and is, a controversial topic among many, and as a representative for the music industry I feel (as everyone else, probably) that truths have been established about us that work with this daily, that don't have any roots in reality. As [owner of Aker Solutions, which has been under controversy for internal stock trading] Kjell Inge Røkke said today (without comparision apart from that), some statements become truths if you express them enough times. And this is they way I and other people in our industry feels the direction of this debate has turned. I would therefore like to use the opportunity to try to clarify some of the "truths" I feel have been unrightly established:
No-one in the music industry are opponents of new technology, even file sharing technology. One has to remeber that it wasn't Warner who invented the phonograpf or tape player - we have only been the link that finds talents, develop talents, record music, market, distribute and sell music. And we would like to sell our music on all platforms, playback devices and units that can play munics. But we do want people to pay for the music we have produced.
That the change from an old to a new model takes time, is something we complain (SP?), but things don't change over night. Only in Warner we have 60 years of musical history, thousands of artists and contracts from many countries. People must understand that juridical extent of this is enormous, complicated and time consuming. I do understand that file sharing happens, and I see that the technological development in our time is happening extremely fast, but I do think that we should try to find ways that secures that those who have made, produced and "own" the content in this files, in one way or another should get paid for it. And mainly I'm aiming at artists, composers and text writers, those are the ones who should be secured to make sure we still will have diversity in culture. The debate should not be about the record companies, IFPI or FONO [norwegian organization for licencing and artists rights]. The future will show which model should be valid.
Making records also cost a lot of money, and the whole process includes even more people, that also have interrest in copyright and of getting paid. Music producers, musicians, text writers, composers, photographers, writers, art directors etc. are all naturally involved when produing records, and all these expect that their work is protected by laws in force (SP?) Even if one should not talk about paying per copy of music, one has to talk about who should pay for the first copy, which actually is quite expensive to make.
It is entirely possible that copyright laws should be change, which I will not elaborate here, but I think it is important that we think about that we cannot look at the Internet as an own community completely exempt from rules that the society must adhere to. These days we are probably in the stone age of the Internet-age, if we can phrase it that way, and I think changes will occur even faster than what has been the case up to now. Internet pose an extreme amount of challengs that affect and include most of us, in one way or the other, and it is therefore important that we meet each other in a civilized way, without behaving the way I did tonight by calling an opponent a brat. I've learned that tonight.
Best regards, Terje Pedersen - tech42er, on 04/23/2009, -0/+5@sebastienk
Corporations should conduct themselves with a bit more class than that. They supposedly care about public relations. It's reasonable for a potential customer to complain about arbitrary regional restrictions. It's even reasonable for him to make the argument that since all legal avenues for obtaining the music are being personally denied to him, pirating the music is the only recourse. It is UNREASONABLE for a corporation to insult and demean their potential customer. It will only serve to turn public opinion against them (as it should). ***** Warner. - rockphotog, on 04/22/2009, -1/+6He doesn't blog with Twitter. Ironically, you haven't read the post.
- plainOldFool, on 04/22/2009, -1/+6I'm sure she thought it was hilarious.
- WTFbananas, on 04/22/2009, -2/+6Ok, Record Companies you are ignorant and have no understanding of what your customers want. These greedy unremarkable people have standards that make me want to download illegally! I do not want to support these people, I want to support the people who create the content directly.
- Lynxpro, on 04/23/2009, -0/+4
Warner Music has not been a part of Time Warner for a handful of years now. Dbag-2-tha-xtreme Edgar Bronfman took it off Time Warner's hands because he had money to burn and craved to get back into the music biz while Time Warner wanted to unload the unit because illegal downloading was driving down the value of Time Warner stock (along with AOL).
Time Warner only has about a 25% stake in the company while Bronfman has the rest. Bronfman is famous for having sold his family's fortune in DuPont stock in order to become a player in Hollywood. When he controlled Segrams (sic) - the family biz - he tried to gain a controlling interest in Time Warner but eventually ended up in control of Universal Music Group instead.
Most of the portions of douchebaggary in Time Warner Inc. will no longer be part of the company once Time Warner Cable becomes a totally separate entity... - inactive, on 04/22/2009, -1/+5I think John Tesh is available for this guy though, and it's pretty much the same thing.
- Lynxpro, on 04/23/2009, -0/+4
Since the kid is a Dave Matthews Band fan, perhaps he should contact the band and tell them that he will no longer buy or support them as long as they are signed to Warner Music.
Of course I doubt he'll receive any sincerity from said band considering they are a bunch of poseurs. DM claims to be an environmentalist but then his touring bus got caught illegally dumping its sewage a couple of years ago, not to mention that DM is the world's best selling Peter Gabriel impersonator/wanna be. - Ciryon, on 04/22/2009, -1/+4Read about it here:
http://snever.net/ - artfiend77, on 04/23/2009, -1/+4Dude, you're no longer allowed to use online translators.
- XtheXlanternX, on 04/22/2009, -0/+3This site is great. I'm going to use this from now on!
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