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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+458Metallica and Nine Inch Nails both took sides on a music industry stand point....guess which ones aren't douchebags?
- 40bslove, on 10/11/2007, -7/+304Do us all a favor and go to his concerts, at least he gets money this way.
- ryan213, on 10/11/2007, -0/+178$4 for a download using paypal?? Sounds good to me. Hopefully this will become a reality.
- MISDIREK7ED, on 10/11/2007, -12/+173@ donwilson - Metallica doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as NIN.
- rrasco, on 10/11/2007, -4/+154I have a newfound respect for Trent Reznor. I have always just hated NIN, no specific reason, mainly their cultist followers annoy the hell out of me, but this guy just shot to the top of my respect meter.
- erudition, on 10/11/2007, -2/+106haha - 'I look forward to the Black Eyed Peas ARG'... sarcasm?
Trent is the man! - pinion417, on 10/11/2007, -2/+92And I just said "That's the most insulting thing I've heard. I've garnered a core audience that you feel it's OK to rip off? F--- you'
Amazing. - op12, on 10/11/2007, -3/+89And you get jumpdrives of music they intentionally leave behind!:
http://www.asuwebdevil.com/issues/2007/04/24/style/700993
"Several songs from the album were leaked to the Internet in February by fans at Nine Inch Nails shows in Europe, who found unmarked USB drives in bathroom stalls loaded with "Year Zero" MP3s." - aliengoods, on 10/11/2007, -0/+81I'm not even a fan, but I would buy it just to prove a point to the other musicians out there. They can market their own material, and they don't have to keep signing with these BS labels that try to DRM a CD!
The first time I bought a CD that I couldn't rip to MP3 was the last time I bought a CD.
@rrasco
I agree. Points to Trent. - laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -3/+79The recording industry rewards the wannabes and punishes the talented.
- jager719, on 10/11/2007, -0/+69live shows is the only place where i am willing to pay a premium for music. ive payed large amount of money just to see one artist i truly enjoy perform live, and these artist encourage live recording of their shows and subsequently trading of these recordings. paying 20 bucks for a cd with less than 10 songs is complete an utter bs; the idea of paying ~$4 through paypal for good quality audio is great, and if companies start doing this, i may start actually paying for music.
just my 2cents - rubicante, on 10/11/2007, -2/+64Correction: "Trent Reznor Says His Record Company Is Run By Thieves"
- HunterTV, on 10/11/2007, -0/+56I'm psyched to see what Trent does once the contract is up. I'm a fan, so I'm biased, but to tell you the truth, if he charged for a download and it was $12 instead of $4 and I knew it was all (or mostly, minus costs, etc.) going to him, I'd pay it gladly. Hell I'd do that for all the bands I like.
When I know that maybe 5% (ballparking here) or less goes to an artist when I buy a $18 CD or download or whatever, it's pretty disconcerting. I'm buying music because an ARTIST made it, not so some corporate ***** who didn't do ***** to make the album sound the way it does can buy a new car. ***** that. I'll pay so Trent can get some hot ride, but not some anonymous whitecollar prick. - brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -3/+59Artists only get $1.28 because the record companies are ripping them off. If you wanted to support them, you'd pay a lot more.
- dasilva333, on 10/11/2007, -4/+60i believe trent raznor has very valid points he speaks on behalf of all the pirates out there he is sympathetic for us, he understands the problem with the music industry, i hope he would get more coverage and expose the dirty record industry for what it really is
- totallyAMAZING, on 10/11/2007, -1/+55I can't believe he's the first big artist I've seen propose to produce their own music and sell 100% online. If you already have name recognition, why bother with a label? He'll make $4 per sale with no one leeching off him.
I realize the cookie cutter pop/emo crap needs a label to promote it so people think it's worth buying. But actual good artists have no need for iTunes or labels (Apple won't talk to artists, only labels) and could be making some well earned money, finally. - Hacbarton, on 10/11/2007, -9/+61A friend and I started a campaign. For every album we stole, we sent the artist of said album $1.28, which is the average pay per CD an artist gets. Subverted record companies AND supported my favorite artists.
- kevinmoore, on 06/13/2009, -2/+51Oh, so you have your favorite artists' home addresses?
- szembek, on 10/11/2007, -18/+65Yeah, he needs it.
- mywhitenoise, on 10/11/2007, -3/+45"Lately I've felt the "pop" influence has been way too noticeable in his music."
PHM is his most poppy album, what are you complaining about? - pacman122, on 10/11/2007, -1/+43Isn't it common knowledge that Nine Inch Nails IS Trent Reznor? There is no frontman.
- rrasco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+35@letusburnone
did you RTFA? where did you not see why he was mad they are not selling? b/c his record company said his hardcore fans will pay more, so they decided to rip them off. that is what he is pissed about, he said no wonder they are stealing. - rubicante, on 10/11/2007, -4/+39Yea, that's why he put the entire album online FOR FREE before it was released.
- gothicx00, on 10/11/2007, -0/+34@bonesaw
You know, I've heard a few people say that. I think the album is good, but should be taken as a work in whole, not song by song. Could it be considered a "down" release for Trent? By some maybe. So was Manson's Mechanical Animals. But you know what, I bought it, because I liked a few tracks and I wanted to have all the albums. Kinda a "support the artist" as much as buying and album can do these days. But I'll tell you what, if Mech Ani had been priced at $35 you better bet I would have pirated it instead of buying. And there are tons of people out there just like me that would buy a so-so album by an artist they love for a reasonable price, just so they have it. But a $25 markup makes it real hard to justify that cost, especially when you know that the artist will see next to nothing of that.
Trent points out the very problem with the music industry in this day and age. The people in charge of the decision making are arrogant, money hungry, and will do what ever it takes for the bottom line. I'm willing to bet that this backward thinking of pricing it at $35 will actually net them *less* money than they would have made if they priced it more reasonably. The music execs pull this BS and then wonder why pirating is so rampant. If they honestly believe for one moment, that we as the consumers don't at the very least think something is fishy with the whole state of it all, then they are either stupid or are just completely out of touch with reality. It's like when they leave their office, the go home to a room with steel walls, no TV, no internet and don't step foot outside except for work.
Something needs to change and change quick. Even though I will admit to having partaken in some illicit music gathering techniques, I don't think that is the answer anymore. I don't think that bypassing the "system" is the way to get the point across. Look at the response. They price albums $25 more than they should be. Somebody in the industry needs to speak for us fans. Somebody needs to stand up and say, "The people that buy the product I produce want a change." That may seem like a "bit the hand that feeds" (no pun intended) scenario, but if enough artists came forward and said "Look, what ever it is you are doing, It's not working and if you don't change the way market us, we'll find other methods." And they could do it. Put enough artists together for a common cause, and they could pretty much make they're own label and RIAA like organization, and the rest of them be damned. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+35Absolutely. I was at two different shows on the With Teeth tour, each with their own unique setlists and rarities played, and also purchased the BYIT DVD of the tour. Excellent visuals, second to none. Year Zero is another masterpiece for Trent's repertoire.
Being an 80s baby, I've really grown up with NIN, and Trent possesses the creative spirit and longevity in his accomplishments. The music speaks for itself. I can't stop listening to the BYIT version of Burn in my car. The bass makes the hair on my neck stand straight. - Lapdog1123, on 10/11/2007, -4/+36Glad to know people are sick of the music industries bull *****. Me I pirated that *****! and went to a show and bought some merch!
SUPPORT THE BAND NOT THE RECORD LABEL!
It IS within OUR power to bring the music giant DOWN! - ThinkFr33ly, on 10/11/2007, -7/+36Funny, I think it's one of his best albums.
NIN has always been "thinkin' man's" music. It's not something you can passively listen to and really "get" it. It takes significant effort on the part of the listener.
Year Zero, perhaps as much as TDS, requires thought. It's not for everybody... especially those that disagree with his political point of view. For more reasons than one. - Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27Uhh, statistically speaking, he's not too far off. The second any album from a popular band hits the torrent sites/P2P networks, such as with NIN, there are multiple tens of thousands of seeders, and that continues for a couple of weeks..
- logicalnoise, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29Are you ***** kidding me? Lazy? Have you ever tried writing with synth? He took pure noise synth and made it logical and consistant(something even the great IDM artist Aphex twin rarely does). An NIN has never had a real complicated structure to their music it just sounded like that because it was so well thoughtout.I won't declare your opinion of the album invalid(I love it) however producing tehse tracks was obviously a tricky of not extremly difficult task.
- etnu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27Yeah, plus the concerts are awesome.
- twiceasworn, on 10/11/2007, -4/+27Well he is the frontman for Nine Inch Nails.
If I was Trent I would be full of myself too. - OverThere, on 10/11/2007, -10/+32funny.. I still consider Pretty Hate Machine his best album. Lately I've felt the "pop" influence has been way too noticeable in his music.
- eamonchaney, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23@overthere
Pretty Hate Machine is his best but if you are a true NIN fan and have been soaking his ***** up since day one(not just d/l'ing his discography in the past couple years), then you have to admit that Year Zero is the closest thing you can get to PHM. He's older and more successful and yet can still muster an authentic angry angst driven tirade. It has always surprised me how timeless his music is. I think I am tired of everything on my iPod then remember to give NIN a chance, put it on shuffle, and rock out like I was 16 again. I was afraid after With Teeth he was loosing it, but now I see it was just a hiccup. I can't wait to see what he comes out with next. - Harvey_Mushman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22I love the way the piece ends with the usual plug, with the label right in the middle: "Year Zero (Universal) out now." At least there's no confusion who the thieves are.
- morriscat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Yeah, $4? that sounds like a nice number.
I'll take FLAC please :) and ah, I'll pay more for 192k/24 - adamkhel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21I think he is referring to fans of his music or at the most, fans of his genre of music when he says "everybody". Remember, the guy is talking free-form, not writing a legal document.
PS> I've never heard his music, I don't even listen to that type of music. I am not for or against him, I know squat about him. - signal15, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18Yeah, well I used to buy a lot of CD's, including NIN. But I don't buy CD's anymore because they are a total ripoff. I am not going to finance a company that rips me off so they can invent new and resourceful ways to rip me off.
Because record companies are so resistant to a changing marketplace, they will become irrelevant. Like Reznor, other artists are going to get fed up and look at a different method of distributing their music. It could be on their own through a personal site, or one of the online music stores could become a "label". - ChefAnubis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17"I will look forward to the Black Eyed Peas ARG, that should be amazing."
Dugg - punkdemons, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17If there is 1 CD you should buy this year, It's Year Zero.
I steal music, you steal music, Trent steals music.. but support the artists that MATTER and buy their albums. - Jugalator, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17That industry is too funny.. In pretty much any other I can think of, they try to come up with good deals to make you stick as a customer, for dedicating yourself to a service, and so on. But with the music industry, they see it as a challenge to rack up the prices as high they can...
It's like if a restaurant owner would see you come as a common guest and instead of cutting your cost a little once in a while because you become a good and frequent customer, he starts thinking of how much more he can charge you compared to his other visitors. ***** up logic for sure... And they keep getting away with it. - idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Just $1.28? Send them $4 or $5. You still save money, they make more money.
- patrickloggins, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17@chaesar
No, I bury you because your statement just as stupid and comepletely pointless as the people you're describing. - imbetterthanu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14I'm still waiting for the 5.1 mix of The Fragile.
- joshua5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14"I've have one record left that I owe a major label, then I will never be seen in a situation like this again. If I could do what I want right now, I would put out my next album, you could download it from my site at as high a bit-rate as you want, pay $4 through PayPal. Come see the show and buy a T-shirt if you like it. I would put out a nicely packaged merchandise piece, if you want to own a physical thing. And it would come out the day that it's done in the studio, not this "Let's wait three months" bulls---."
This is exactly what I'm saying. Theres hardly any need for the labels anymore. Artists are fully capable of distributing the music themselves at virtually no cost. Trent is ahead of the times but only because "the times" are being kept behind by the music industry. - trekkie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16@overthere
I agree. While the others aren't terrible, nothing like Pretty Hate Machine. - Escamotage, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13If my name was Trent Reznor, I'd be *****' badass also.
- mywhitenoise, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14"I've have one record left that I owe a major label, then I will never be seen in a situation like this again. If I could do what I want right now, I would put out my next album, you could download it from my site at as high a bit-rate as you want, pay $4 through PayPal. Come see the show and buy a T-shirt if you like it. I would put out a nicely packaged merchandise piece, if you want to own a physical thing. And it would come out the day that it's done in the studio, not this "Let's wait three months" bulls---."
Trent Reznor makes me want to become gay. Well he'd also have to become gay, of course. - ronh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Punk and hardcore and other sub genre's have been doing this for ever, producing, printing, and releasing your own material. Usually at loss mind you with those genre's sticking to vinyl and cd's other physical media.
But I really think with the internet and more means becoming available for the common person to do this on there own I see no reason why a dedicated artist could not do it on there own or under a small label and match or even surpass anything a large record label would do.
Here's to hoping reznor follows through and his claim. - Zaldor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13About 3 years ago I blogged about how the artists deserve more of the money, and how we need to create some way to pay the artists directly... As of this time, I haven't bought any RIAA artist CD (except for NIN) in the past - and until I can pay the artist directly, I'll continue that...
- fryingpancat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15@ warpfox
Trent Reznor is in charge of his own record label, but that label is owned by Interscope (or whoever it is), so they have the final say not him -
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