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- lead2thehead, on 01/02/2009, -3/+18It was never the bane of the music industry. Digital music is their salvation. The problem is that the record companies are run by old fossils who are scared of the technology because they don't understand it.
- greenlight2001, on 01/02/2009, -1/+13... and seeding.
- Jektal, on 01/02/2009, -1/+12iPod was absolutely not the first MP3 player.
- conversekid, on 01/02/2009, -3/+12I think right now, DRM is the enemy and must be finished. Then, you might convince me to buy more music online. Yes, I'm aware of the Amazon store, but that's only a start.
I generally use private torrent sites and vinyl, and I see nothing wrong with that right now.
Also, obligatory ***** THE RIAA incoming. - borez, on 01/02/2009, -2/+10And they still whinge about piracy killing them.
- renegadeafk, on 01/02/2009, -1/+8No drm is retarded and only punishes people who legally buy the music. Pirates happily enjoy non drm free music, while you have to PAY for music that is crippled.
Stores like amazon and 7digital are the only places I will buy digital music, and in most cases buying the cd is preferable. - borez, on 01/02/2009, -1/+8You're forgetting the fact that virtually every album is now recorded digitally anyway, what you're hearing different with vinyl is a very slight harmonic distortion that appears to make the sound a little warmer.
- Jektal, on 01/02/2009, -1/+7Yes, a wav is missing all that extra information contained on vinyl: all the inherit hisses and pops added by the physical systems. Claiming analog is better than digital is like saying the girl at the end of the bar keeps getting more attractive; it's true, but just because your method of evaluation is getting sloppy.
And a high quality VBR MP3 is more than good enough for 99.5% of occasions. You only need wav-quality if you're doing something like broadcasting to a crowd or sampling. And there are other formats for better quality if you need it, like OGG.
Very valid point though on re-sale. - kevinmoore, on 06/13/2009, -1/+6> remeber an MP3 is only a 10th of a the size of a Wav
That depends entirely on how the mp3 was encoded. Most of my mp3s are much larger than 1/10th the size of the source wav.
> and a Wav is no where near the information contained on a analog version.
Good luck hearing that other information. Or playing it in your car, at most jobs, easily taking hundreds of albums to a friends house, etc. - Jektal, on 01/02/2009, -0/+5"...the quality of music is pretty horrible." "The music industry makes music [poorly]"
Those are indefensible and fallacious claims. The music you listen to might be horrible, but "the music industry" includes all music. So unless there really is no good music anywhere, which is a subjective valuation and varies for everyone, you're full of it.
The major label RIAA delivery methods (radio) sucks, because even if they promote a good song it will get played too often and often in a negative context and ruin the song anyway.
Solution: My plug for thesixtyone.com and pandora.com - inactive, on 01/02/2009, -0/+5Your sample size of one is what convinced me that you must be correct.
- secrity, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5There is a major difference between DRM for music that has been purchased and for music that has been rented. DRM is necessary for rented (or subscription) music, but DRM is evil for purchased music.
- inactive, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4This is the way it always is with media companies. They kick and scream about new things until someone drags them to the money tree and they see the checks start rolling in. They did the same thing with VHS tapes and cassette tapes.
- Travelsonic, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4"...The majority of teenager, grand parents, and non tech savy individuals don't care if they are locked to one player"
Uh... I don't know how many YOU'VE actually yalked to, but people I know hate having their music locked to one player. - borez, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4 @nesagwa: "many many new vinyl releases have a completely different mix" As a sound engineer for some 20 years now working on fairly extensive projects, I can assure you that I have never mixed an album with more than one final version for different formats. Period.
And FTR: I gave up on vinyl a long time ago. ( even thought a lot of the stuff released by my clients comes out on 12" for DJ's ) - MadThrasher, on 01/02/2009, -0/+3The music industry decided to shoot themselves when they went digital with cds.
- Pandalume, on 01/02/2009, -0/+3What else would you like to see beyond the Amazon store? I think it's pretty great (DRM free, relatively high bitrate recordings), but maybe I am missing something.
- kizmar, on 01/02/2009, -0/+3I expected Trent Reznor to be mentioned in this article and I'm disappointed that he wasn't. He took what Radiohead did and made it actually work.
Eventually e-commerce sites like Amazon, iTunes and Walmart are going to start squeezing as much money out of the songs as possible just like the music studios did. The artists will then be back to square one; fighting to make money off their art/music. The only difference this time will be that people are buying rather then stealing. - 1longtime, on 01/02/2009, -2/+5lead2thehead is right, music sales have never fallen in an absolute sense.
Music execs have always set very high goals (such as targeting a 10% increase in annual sales) and then whine when they "only" hit 8%.
The music industry has always sold more records than the previous year. The big distributors have ALWAYS made lots of money, but it's never enough.
I personally plan to a cry a river for them. - vilago, on 01/02/2009, -0/+3i agree with josejimenez and jektal both. call me sacreligious but i think that music has gone down in quality over the years. i probably (barely) like maybe 1 or at most 2 songs off the top 40 and i blame the music industry and society in america for that. is it that america's music "taste" has gotten more "fluff" and "pop" or is it that the music industry only promotes that kind of music by playing garbage over and over again? i think both.
- KevinRosa, on 01/02/2009, -2/+5Music Industry: "Is not enough! We want it all!"
- Paranor01, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2I don't think they were ever scared of digital because they don't understand the technology... it's more the fact they can't control it that scares them, and their beloved profit margin.
- darkstorm777, on 01/02/2009, -2/+4Its been a long hard road for the people that knew the potential of digital media (not just music). People have gotten sued, harassed, ridiculed, and scolded by their favorite music groups.
In the end we have shown diligence, and conclusively we have showed them in their own language ......$ - darkstorm777, on 01/02/2009, -4/+6Digital Downloads were not the bane of the music industry when the concept was first recognized?
Really?
Time Warp cleanup isle #10 please - M4tchstickM4n, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2I mix drum n bass and buy a lot of digital music. If you look in the right places you can get your music in the format you want. The main digital download store I use allows you to download tracks in .wav form for no extra cost, in fact you are allowed to download .wav .flac .mp3 and .ogg`s of any track you purchase. So I normally download a .wav for mixing and a .mp3 for my I-Pod all for the princely sum of £1.20
- mabsark, on 01/02/2009, -1/+31807 tells it true though. Less tach savvy people are getting into digital music and they do rely on help from their more knowledgable friends. I take great pleasure in introducing them to tpb. A lot of a/v devices like tvs and stereos play mp3s these day, it's not just mp3 players. I can only guess that you're burying him for his mention of iPod, so I redressed the balance by burying both you *****.
- inactive, on 01/02/2009, -1/+3Vinyl also sounds like ***** *****. I like my music to be as distortion free as possible, and thats not gonna happen with Vinyl.
The only reason Vinyl can be resold at a profit is because some people are ***** idiots who are clinging to the past because "everything was better then". As those people die off, so will records. If you want a physical medium, get a CD. You can find albums used on Amazon cheaper than you can buy them off iTunes anyway and then rip them in whatever lossless format you want.
Me, I am quite happy with 320 AAC. - inactive, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2iTunes will stay cheap, because Apple could give a ***** about selling music.
The iTunes store exists to sell iPods, thats Apples way. Jobs was smart enough to see that MP3 players were being held back by a lack of digital distribution on music, so the Music Store was born. - bdbr, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2Total album sales: 428.4 Million
Digital album sales: 65.8 Million
LP (vinyl) album sales: 1.88 Million
Only 15% of total album sales were digital, and 0.4% were LP. Keep this in mind the next time you get the temptation to say the CD is "dead". - bdbr, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2He's not talking about "buying" music, just "renting" it.
- dstz, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2"It was never the bane of the music industry. Digital music is their salvation"
But do anyone need this industry to be saved? here on TV a past "pop star" from the 60s (who's doing better than most of his peers despite having stopped singing long ago, or maybe thanks to that) candidly evoked how his record company signed all the singers that remotely resembled him, with the only aim to make them fail, because he was their choice. Maybe smaller companies, more of them then now, with more reasonable means and goals, will appear, aside of the aging giants. Maybe i'm daydreaming, too. - mabsark, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2It's simple to set up a website and distribute files yourself, no companies are needed. That's what scares the record industry.
- bdbr, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2Isn't it a bit odd that OVERALL MUSIC SALES consists of " ALBUMS, SINGLES, MUSIC VIDEO, DIGITAL TRACKS"?
Overall sales aren't improving because people are buying more music, overall sales are 'improving' because people bought more digital tracks and a digital track counts the same as a CD...i.e the way they are counting these is stupid. When digital tracks are lumped together to album equivalents, sales were down 8.5% - 4NDr01D, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2what percentage of those CD's was Major Label Slop 90% ?
Vinyl and Digital is where the real artists are
and more so on Vinyl, since they actually give a ***** what their product sounds like - darkstorm777, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1.
- chasemassey, on 01/02/2009, -2/+3Before the grammar Nazis get me, I meant to put "get a cut of the music being sold".
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1Don't talk crap - they may have been slow to get started but its now far easier to buy music online than it is to buy a CD .
- mousky, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1"Vinyl and Digital is where the real artists are"
Ah, the good old "snobbery" view point. The pop in Pop Music stands for, wait for it, Popular. Seems that Popular music is winning out. - kizmar, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1I'm not talking about them charging more. I'm talking about them wanting a bigger cut of the profits - which will force the artist to take a smaller percentage. This includes **places like** iTunes, Amazon and Walmart. They're all in the business of making money.
- fuxjoey, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1So music industry isn't dead yet.
- orthodoxDrew, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1wow, i haven't heard a single one of those best selling tracks. did i just get old?
/cranks the My Morning Jacket - DDRSkata, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2Honestly, even if DRM goes away, I'll still pirate and buy vinyl. Vinyl affords me a physical medium and a much bigger version of the album art (and sometimes things like bonus 7-inches, posters, better liner notes, etc.), not to mention the audio quality. And piracy allows me to hear songs before I buy the vinyl, if the album is pressed on vinyl. And whenever a band I'm in has a release, I leak it to torrent sites because I want people to hear it. Nobody's going to buy anything if they don't hear it first.
- RogerMcDodger, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2It's not just that they didn't understand it. They couldn't just change a working business model overnight.
- conversekid, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2Buying something on iTunes is a disservice to the music you love.
- roebeet, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1What's to understand? It's a series of tubes...
- vilago, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1yea what is so wrong with the ipod? i think people don't like it because it's so mainstream. in my experience things get mainstream for a reason: it actually is that good. just my 2 cents.
- darkstorm777, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2Ill agree to disagree.
When the notion first came up on the table, they so what chalanged the very essance of what gives Music Execs a hard-on. Total control and power. Not to mention, they wouldnt be able to skim profits off physical medias anymore, and when your selling billions of anything, pennys per, thats a nightmare.
In their eyes, what could they jack the price up on? A digital download is....JUST the music, and not only in there a minimum of material to price gauge, but there is also the looseing control of what the consumer buys. Sure there were singles before, but it was still controlled.
Maybe not the bane of its existance.....but you cant tell me it didnt make them a bit frigeted...in their bank accounts. - 1807, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1Cigarettes are pretty mainstream and they are TERRIBLE for you, so is McDonalds.
- xeys, on 01/10/2009, -0/+0I have thought about the record vs cd thing for a bit, and I think I know why there is a resurgence of records, if even only slightly. Everyone knows a cd costs 10 cents a piece to replicate, and the prices are 15-25 bucks, depending on what it is. So, people download it instead. What a record offers is a real, tangible, hold-in-your-hand product with big artwork, and lyrics that are readable without squinting. You feel like you are getting something substantial for your money. But if cd prices were 5 bucks a pop, they would generate a ton of profits for the industry, because people would come back to it. I think that people look at both the cd and the record, and think, "If I'm spending 20 bucks, it's not gonna be on something I can download for free." The value of the songs themselves is in question now, since they are freely available on the internet through piracy and such. But you can't upload the experience of having big artwork, a big record, and the feeling that it is worth it, that it's substantial. I think many are rebelling at the... well, intangibility of music now. For what it's worth, that's what I think. I actually went to minidisc recently(netmd), and I like making my discs, making mixes, and flipping through them in my little case I made for it. Pretty tough to damage them, and I can rerecord whenever I want to. It's also nice to do a male to male plug and get stuff off whatever has an out(ie ipod, tv, dvd player, ps2, record player, etc). And this minidisc stuff is cheaper than an ipod, even new. Ebay sells brand new equipment for peanuts.
- djsetup, on 01/12/2009, -0/+0thanks , it was a good read !
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