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- coolian, on 10/11/2007, -1/+60Marilyn Manson is one of the most articulate media personalities I've seen.
With Bill O'Reilly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucnA8ElvZQA - dcmjzero, on 10/11/2007, -2/+60oddly, that was some of the most reasoned talking i have heard in a while.
- atarigod2600, on 10/11/2007, -1/+33Never heard him speak before, not bad.
- diizy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+34He speaks in an interesting way too, the ideas presented have some excellent examples.
- Artifez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+28I'm sorry you couldn't be bothered to listen and comprehend, amazingly enough you took the time out off your hectic scedule to make a snarky comment.
- Artifez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26He's making a point with his appearance and the fact that a good portion of the comments can't get past that outward appearance and actually listen to what he says proves his point extremely well. He's a very intelligent and informed speaker, however his music is not to my liking.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23"Musicians should stick to music... not to politics, not to societal whining... just make good music (or bad, if you're K-Fed), and let us philosophers stick criticizing why life is the way it is (hopefully over a nice drink or ten) and how if we were in charge, things would be different."
You're an elitist *****. Everyone's entitled to free speech, not just stuck up douchebags like you - Artifez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19The problem is that bullies have plenty of positive social reenforcement and the bullied have no recourse. This breeds horrific revenge fantasies that some actually act upon. Bullies and a total lack of empathy with the abused are serious issues.
- inhalent, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18The sad thing is I'm sure a large majority of his fans (musically) don't even really get what he's about. They're just into being dark and attention-whorey. I personally like manson, but tend not like anyone else who likes him.
- jdavid, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18Usually Manson is very to the point, but he seemed to ramble a bit on this one. It kinda felt like he was reliving High School on stage. Being someone that was picked on quite a bit in school, I can understand where he is coming from, heck I was driven to violence a few times to protect myself, but maybe the difference was that it was one of the few things that my parents actually trusted me to deal with on my own. When things were bad, they put me in a Karate class so I could learn self defense. They actually encouraged me to physically stick up for my self, but if they would have ever heard of me being the bully, that would be a different story. It was well understood in my family that it was ok to FINISH a FIGHT, but if I ever started one, there would be a serious sort of hell to pay.
The thing about fights are, that because of lawyers, you can't just have a fist fight to get it out. Instead, you have to "go out with a bang," else you will get sued until the end of time. I think that lawyers do more harm that good these days. Somethings just need to have natural release mechanisms, otherwise they burst wide open. - iancgi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14too much sarcasm man.
- matrixbandit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12@Jeral:
I could almost agree with your reasoning if it weren't for the simple fact that I don't think everyone fits into a nice tidy little box with a clearly written label on it that says "Musician" or "Philosopher" or "Jock" or "Computer guy" or "Pompous ass". For example, although you clearly identify yourself as a "Computer guy", I have a feeling that isn't the only aforementioned category you fit into.
So effectively you suggest that musicians should stick to doing music and not ... what.. express their thoughts and ideas and offer interpretations on the world around them? Maybe it's just me but that sounds a lot like "Painters should stick to applying paint to a canvas and not convey emotions and experiences to the world around them"
Maybe I don't understand your point, but I question whether or not you do either. - Adamande, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@coolian
Thanks for the link. That was kind of a shocker. I don't think I've ever seen anyone defuse O'Reilly that fast. The man's questions was all about trying to pin Columbine and youth violence in general on Manson and other popstars. Bill even goes so far as saying that kids with bad parents should be parented by Manson instead, which is flat out ludicrous. The last nail in the O'Reilly coffin was the comment Manson made about media glorifying extreme messages and how he wouldn't give interviews concerning Columbine to avoid creating even more attention for the killers. Manson turned all the blame in Bills leading questions back on him and the rest of the established sensationalist American media. And that's where the blame belongs. O'Reilly lost before the interview even started. Manson is obviously too intelligent to play his stupid emo-games. - iancgi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Why are people always surprised when they find out Marilyn Manson is highly intelligent? There are still so many subconscious stereo types in this country. Thankfully sites like digg open peoples minds to other peoples perspectives. In turn making people more open to others ideas/lifestyles. We need to respect ourselves and each other even if we dont agree on everything.
- marlonmunsen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7February 19th 2000, DisinfoCon
- Frisbinator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6This guy is intelligent, but is so excessively pessimistic that he clouds his own views. He also excessively generalizes, stereotypes and categorizes people or situations into boxes to which there is no escape from his accusations. His examples, such as claiming that "people consider OJ Simpson an American Hero" and that the jury "decided the punk rocker kid deserved to die because he looked the way he did" are misguided and highly falsified. There are two primary statements I did agree with however: "Viewing violence as an acceptable solution to a problem is detrimental to society" and "Bad parents make bad kids".
- Menoats, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I was impressed with how well he got each point across.
- amed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Digging further as to what Marilyn was saying, the media itself plays a huge role and its reflect on society. Ex. when 300 was released, it hit the jack pot with more than 300 mill on the weekend because we all wanted to see a couple warriors shed blood. Spiderman 3 was full of explosives and big bangs. This weekend i'm sure the top -movie-weekend list will go to pirate of the Caribbean. All the sudden we all love pirates. even though back in the day there considered evil, scary. "but hey.. that's in the past" right?
North America has and will ways be about violence. From the very beginning, when Christoper Columbus set foot on this land and fought blood to blood with the French, Spain, Britain and lets not forget the Native to the present day where our troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for the so called "democracy" and "freedom".
At the end of day we choose violence as our entertainment and answer to everything. it's this greed-disease that is destructing the North American society - Wurlitzer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4When is this speech from?
- LLamaStar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4he brings up good points. but if you've ever seen him talk before it's the same stuff every time.
- dogstylee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I like how you're all psychologists somehow.
- marlonmunsen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3you're mistaken.
- AustinMeoang, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This is from 2000, dumb ass.
- AustinMeoang, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3No, he went to a college in Florida for Journalism.
- AustinMeoang, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I'm hoping you just forgot the sarcasm tag.
- hurleytime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Its reminiscent of the family guy clip where lois is on stage and can't get through to the public, so when asked a question, instead of giving an insightful unique answer, blurts out 9/11 or Al Queda.....
Say things that are somewhat socially relevant and people will cheer. - reddevil3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I love how as soon as he finished talking some guy started booing...probably a "jock".
- AustinMeoang, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I know exactly what you mean, I've been a big fan for a long time, and I hate it when people who have one or two songs claim to be his biggest fan just so they seem "evil" or whatever.
- illegalamigo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm always surprised when I see Marilyn Manson in an interview. I'm always surprised how well-spoken he is. Sure, he's a freak, but at least he can sound intelligent.
- alamandrax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2i think he/she did.
- smackjack, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4"Now they dress weird, and they question life and the meaning of life! The make decisions for themselves and they live life for themselves and not for Jesus."
You say it like it's a bad thing. - HesComing, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@MelroseMan
I dugg you down for arrogance. Yes, it probably does seem like common sense to most people, because it was very logical. However, most of the things he said are not immediately obvious to most people, and most people who already understood them could never have phrased their thoughts as clearly and eloquently as Manson did. He provided an insightful and thoughtful analysis, and your thinking it was common sense is only a tribute to Manson's eloquence, because you understood it despite your clear ignorance of how misinformed so many Americans are. - hamandcheese, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I think he concentrated on the Jock example to much, even though I think it's a great one. It just gave an impression of bitterness, like he saw a bit of himself in that kid who was killed, which in a way I think helped, as it gave what he was saying a personal touch, but still, he dwelled on that example too long for comfort. Besides that I thought the speech was lovely.
- Koyder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2He needs to repeat himself, because most people either don't listen or are too dumb to get it the first time. Hicks repeated himself throughout his entire carreer, and the society still didn't learn.
- MelroseMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1wise words
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1But listen to him, he talks like a normal kid, a teenager because in a sense thats what is personality is. He really isn't the persona of a celebrity but more of a regular person.
- Echarter, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1His persona is a lesson. he's using the media and the illusions that the media uses against the media, while becoming the media.
- BuffalOBisoN, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I did it. The most buried comment. Nice.
- alamandrax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1or rather, not. you wouldn't want them propagating now would you?
- matrixbandit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@hurleytime:
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. To put it as clearly as I know how: To create music is to express oneself. You are telling him to not express himself, and instead make music. That doesn't make sense. The only distinction here is that his words in this video aren't melodic, don't rhyme, and aren't supported by instruments.
Even if this were not the case, who the ***** are you to tell him how he should be expressing himself? Disagree with him all you want. In fact, I absolutely encourage you to present an opposing viewpoint. I don't wait around for you to express your opinion and then say "You should just get back to running the ring toss at the carnival, it's what you are good at". Just because you hypothetically work at a carnival doesn't discredit your opinion.
I'm just really damn sick of people expressing their honest thoughts only to have their character discussed, and their thoughts left completely unaddressed. It's as if the message isn't nearly as important as who carries it. It's *****, and it gets us nowhere. Advance the ***** discussion. - jester55, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1i usually dont watch videos that long. that was pretty good.
- clownfart, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4Wow, hes my new hero.
- MelroseMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Reply to amed... wrong place..
It seems that you believe it is only North American Society that likes violence in entertainment....we definitely aren't.
In entertainment there is nothing wrong with violence as long as it stays in fairy land. I doubt I would want to watch any movie without violence unless its a good comedy because violence make stories interesting.. they make u care. When it becomes real world violence then it becomes a problem. Marilyn was only fending off people that are blaming him for real violence. A blame game in which people don't think for themselves. In the end, it's a matter of how one is raised and how well they are educated that determines a persons character. Family/friends are mainly to blame.
But whatever... - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4I'd like to know what response Neocons have to the realization that Manson is a more articulate and genuine public speaker than Dubya? Not to discredit Manson, but that's sad.
- kungfumaniac, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Manson's albums are incredible. Holywood is practically a rock masterpiece.
He can elucidate well his points and ideas, and both are usually rational and coherent. Yet, I don't think he's much of an orator. Considering the abundance of vibrabrance, vigor and vitriol in his music, I'd like to see more emotion in his dissertations. - EvilAirman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2He makes a few good points however, if you believe that there are no times for war, you need to pick up a history book. Our nation and freedom, disregarding how troubled they may be at the moment, were founded on a rebellious war, which I am DAMN glad our forefathers fought for. We have always been a nation of takers. We took this land from the Native Americans, I think that is horrible. If i was a Native American at the time, you can be damn sure I would have been fighting back. If you honestly believe there is never a JUST reason to fight someone or some country, you haven't anything worth fighting for.
- MelroseMan, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2whoa there bud. If it seemed like arrogance fine, but when so many people can't think for themselves enough to get these conclusions it really upsets me. My words were really more of anger than arrogance. Your also putting words in my mouth, I know it's not common sense..I didn't say it was.. but it definitely should be for everyone.
eloquence does not mean right or wrong, try to look past how clearly anything is said and pay attention to the material. He spoke as if he were bored with almost no emotion... I saw past it, but most won't watch more than one minute of the video cause of it. Marilyn's train of thought and reasoning I had no problem with at all. I wasn't intending to aim at him, but to everyone. - hurleytime, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2@matrixbandit
regardless of what jeral said, certain individuals should stick to what they are good at.
Star Jones should stick to being fat, Donald should stick to making money in the real estate market, Paris should stick to being a whore, and Manson should stick to music. - oyflaaaayvin, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1he's a very smart guy. i believe he went to harvard if i'm not mistaken.
- MelroseMan, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3Am I the only one who thinks this speech is common sense? If one finds this insightful you're pretty ignorant.
I liked the "God Band-Aid" expression. I may use that. -
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